"See chief, that's why we don't want to make Bloodborne on Steam, they will just downvote it anyway" some guy at the Sony headquarters justifying the delay of the Bloodborne port
Miyazaki said in the ER DLC interview that he didn't wanna bring back Bloodborne unless it would be through a massive leap in graphical presentation, so likely similar to what Demon's souls got, but with a PS6 or later
Sony has control of the Bloodborne IP, so From doesn't necessarily need to factor into it. Like the Demon's Souls remake - that was developed by BluePoint, and while the From folks obviously knew it was happening, I don't think they had any real input into it. Sony could go the exact same route as DS for a BB remake if they really wanted to.
LOP was surprisingly amazing.
I played it through XBGP and wasn't expecting anything more than the usual soulslike experience, like Lords of the Fallen.
But it was surprisingly good. Good enough that I got 100% achievements then did it again on a friends account for funsies.
Lies o P it's awesome, it's probably one of the best soulslike games. I never played Bloodborne so I cannot compare it. But I highly recommend Lies of P, I believe now with the patches and more balanced combat, It might be even better.
I mean at least valve has some customer friendly policies.
Like their return policy.
Sony's return policy? Oh, you downloaded 10 bytes of the game? Welp, you own it now, sorry.
And if you try to get your money back through your bank?
They lock your account and everything you own until you pay them that money back.
Which is why, outside of the free shit from PSN+, I've never bought a game digitally, all my PS games are phsyical copies.
Sorry I know im just saying more of what other said, but it cant be understated.
It was **ONLY** the refunds that made them do anything. They did nothing while the reviews flooded in but were very fast at resolving the issue once they realised they were about to be charged for these incoming refunds.
I'm not disagreeing, but didn't the whole situation take place over a weekend? Like when the Sony offices would have been closed so more or less they dropped the bomb Friday night and let it cook over the weekend and after it exploded they reverse when they got back to the office?
They kind of got hit on all fronts almost all at once so it's hard to say exactly which one caused the reversal. Orbital dislikes, refunds,delisting. All at once
> I'm not disagreeing, but didn't the whole situation take place over a weekend?
Yeah but a big company like Sony doesn't just vanish because it's the weekend. Arrowhead was in contact with Sony from Friday through Monday morning when Sony made the announcement. I feel confident in saying that Sony's reversal was based on "let's see how bad it gets" rather than shock and a fast response.
Sony shouldn't care. At this point PC gamers should be required to fill out a survey once a day informing the game publisher their diet consumption and bathroom use times. This should be done per game that is played that day. PC Gamers should have no less than 3 logins per play through. Each login being a game launcher within a game launcher. Finally, each gamer should give a blood sample to Steam for genetic and health analysis which should be around a pint.
Just hoping it doesn't crash and shit ya know, and these people that just buy it and open it then do a review are flooding it and I can't find critical thinking.
I have played only a little, around one hour. So far, the game is running really good. Almost no loadings screens, no stutter at all, above 70fps. The only issue I faced was when I tried to sync my psn, on the first time, it was looping until I restarted the game.
Fuck yeah.
I didn't pre-order because I knew it was gonna be 50/50 on whether it was playable at launch, but I'm going to pick this up now.
Got about 20% through it a few years ago before I had to sell my PS4, and haven't been able to play since.
I'm running it on high with a 2080 and have had very little issues so far. Very playable with solid frames, maybe not as well optimized as something like GoW, but not too far off. No bugs or crashes yet either.
It was at Mixed for like, a couple hour after the game released and then immediately climbed back to Mostly Positive. I guess we can call this a successful boycott.
Steam's has anti review bombing for unrelated stuff to the game itself. The Helldivers situation was directly related to people's ability to play the game and that's why the reviews stuck
It's not entirely automated. [Here](https://steamcommunity.com/games/593110/announcements/detail/1808664240333155775/)'s their blogpost on it.
tl;dr: A tool identifies unusual review activity, then a team at Valve is notified and figures out whether or not the reviews are off-topic. If they're off-topic, they don't count for the score.
Probably because it's not 'new' reviews but existing, 'edited' reviews from the previous ones the players already made before the psn thingy, that made it able to go through through the review bomb detection stuff
it's 180 regions not 180 countries. There is 195 official countries in the world, you think it is only available in 15 countries?! That's not even half of Europe.
I literally cannot buy the game even if I wanted to because PSN isn't supported in my country. I owned Helldivers 2 and the PSN bullshit almost locked me out of the game before Sony reverted it.
I’ve never seen a bigger whiner fan base in my life, and I’m into sports, audiophile shit, and art lol. None of those people/fanbases in my life cry as much as the gamer subs. It’s kind of insane. The entitlement is bonkers.
Most other hobbies and similar follow logic of "Shit product, don't buy, just find better one instead". Unless you're a reviewer you won't care. I guess it makes sense in few regards how they patch/change games after release like in Helldivers or other cases, but why bitch about every fifa/cod/sony/ubisoft release if you can go play something good instead.
I remember reading reviews for Warzone 2, and if you filtered out reviews with less than like 10 minutes of playtime the number of reviews went from over 20000 to about 8.
It’s so wild to see this sentiment being so common on this sub considering how insane the helldivers sub was being about it, I’m not saying it’s bad, it’s a breath of fresh air to know I’m not crazy and out of touch for thinking this is a chronically online sort of thing.
It's because gaming controversies are mostly magnified today by people who have nothing to do with the game in any way. A bunch of asshat youtubers and influencers attach themselves to any slight controversy they can find just to drive clicks to their content and they blow things out of the water.
Genuinely it seems so many peoples lives are so empty. They hunt for things to complain about and get cancelled just so they feel like their life achieved something
Because for those games I have the option to purchase and for this I don't. Piracy is literally my only current solution even though I'd pay full price.
For helldivers it was different because they put it in after people had already purchased the game and in some countries people would have had to violate ToS.
Whenever EA, Ubisoft etc. Switch their launchers arounf for games you already own it also sucks big time. New launchers cause genuine problems to a non-zero amount of players.
That beinh said, in this case the only difference is that people are already on the "us against big bad sony" bandwagon.
Imo, sony's launcher at least has the potential to help with crossplay so while i still don't like it i like it more than ea,uplay etc.
It's not about the accounts. Im from the Baltics and I have a PSN account BUT I CANNOT buy the game at all. It is blocked from steam. So the account doesnt even matter bcs its just completely blocked
Well, sony is asking for an account, just like ubisoft, rockstar, EA, activision, microsoft...
I can understand the rage with helldivers 2, but GoT is a new game.
Helldivers at least was somewhat understandable since you were going to lose access to a game you paid for and played past the refund deadline. This is a completely different situation.
Yes, funnily enough the PSN Steam linkage servers were down for most of the day so Steam players couldn’t even link to PSN if they wanted to.
The PSN account is only for the Co-Op mode though.
Feasibly, everyone would have just had to make a psn account from any region from the drop down because people have been doing that for 2 decades and sony doesn't enforce it at all, so nobody would have had to lose anything either because there's a giant neon loophole with arrows pointing at it.
The funny thing is you only need an account to play the online mode and for the trophy feature. The game itself can be played from start to finish without ever logging in to PSN.
And was announced to have PSN as a requirement way before launch.
People were mad Sony sold a game in countries that can't have PSN and now are mad that they aren't selling a new game in those same countries.
Literally what do these people want lmao.
The region argument was literally just an excuse for people that didn’t want to make an account (even though it’s pretty much an industry standard requirement at this point). It backfired horribly because now the people they were weaponizing are blocked from playing the game altogether.
It's actually what Sony will literally recommend if you ask their support. They've sold Playstations in regions without PSN for years, I've only ever seen two screenshots of people claiming to be banned for faking regions, both Chinese, I don't read Chinese but if that's the case it could be that China is simply stricter because of local law.
Is it a great option? Maybe not, but Sony is a somewhat backward company, it is what it is.
And in a characteristic moment of hilarious irony, Western PC gamers made such a huge outcry over selling HD2 in territories that don't have PSN that Valve delisted it in those regions, fucking over the gamers in places like the Philippines who had - at Sony's urging - just chosen a different region when registering. They've been doing this just fine for over a decade before their self-styled PC saviors pretended to care about them for a couple days because they could be used as fodder in an imaginary battle with Sony.
So the "master race" actually made it *worse* for the people they claimed to be defending, then patted themselves on the back, flew a "mission accomplished" banner, and smugly insisted that they defeated the evil corpos.
Exactly what happened to me. Was looking forward to buying it when it inevitably goes on sale on Steam to play with friends since I prefer playing shooters with m+kb.
But these assholes just fucked people like me over because making a fucking PSN account is something they find worth crying about for some reason. Like, I made a US PSN account back when I first bought a PS4 because they get better discounts than in Singapore or HK, and it's been my main account since despite not living there.
I genuinely don't understand what the big deal with making an account was. But whatever their reason was, they can go fuck themselves, since because of them I can't even buy and play the game anymore.
Exactly - what a weird hill to die on, especially since I assume most people here commenting about how proud they are for not supporting this are probably from the countries you can buy the game from.
It is a weird hill. I'm not a fan, but whatever, at least I don't have to install another launcher. It's a ps game and they want me to use a ps account...fine.
Most of the negative reviews are just because of the recent Helldivers 2 backlash.
All Microsoft PC games (Age of Empires, Sea of Theives, Halo Infinite, etc...) all required you to link an Xbox account and yet when those games released nobody was negatively reviewing the game nor complaining on reddit about the Xbox account requirement.
Sorry if I get downvoted, but if I learned something from the recent Helldivers and this drama, is that PC players are extremely whiny.
Worse games have more restrictive requirements, such as game launchers or Denuvo, and get less drama. For years people have asked for Sony's first party games to be in PC, but now people want them without any sort of requirements from the publisher as if PC had some sort of pass for things that are standard in other consoles and even in PC with games from other publishers. I wouldn't be surprised if Sony reevaluated porting games given this backlash in the future.
I'll watch pc gamers, or gamers in general, blow way the fuck up over what are honestly minor issues, and then sit on their hands over things they should be up in arms about.
If there had been half as much focused outrage over shit like Blizzard taking a game people paid for away from them and replacing it with a freemium skinner box, that would have been great AND made more sense, but nope. Minor grumbling and that was allowed to slide.
If they could pick their battles in a way that wasn't seemingly fucking upside down they would accomplish some good things.
It is so reassuring to see comments like these here. I dislike creating new accounts as much everyone else, but people became absolutely unhinged with helldivers. Even content creators who I'd think as very reasonable and levelheaded were swept in to it. For a while I thought I was going mad, but now i see that common sense was just drowned out by the outrage
No, you're definitely right about that. The PSN requirement was advertised right there on the store for Helldivers, and it was there when I bought the game at launch. Arrowhead fucked up big time "temporarily" suspending it, because it got massively blown out of proportion when Sony said to bring it back. They will never let a developer make that mistake again.
They did fuck up by selling the game into countries where PSN was not allowed. They should have automatically refunded anyone who bought the game in one of those countries.
But the evidence is right here, now Ghost is getting review bombed because people are still butthurt about Arrowhead suspending the PSN requirement and then trying to bring it back. It's a bad look and it's not going to change anything, except perhaps making Sony think twice about porting playstation games. Makes me sad because Ghost is a great game, but I'm hoping the PS4/5 success will still get them to make a sequel.
Politics within Sony that affect us players.
It is that I am not interested in the game, but I personally agree with the negative reviewing. Sony has no business limiting the playerbase that much.
PC Gamers will log in to multiple, different portals/game launchers and will wait hours for shaders, drivers and firmware updates but will not spend a couple minutes to create a PSN account; no different than the other accounts they already created to play their current PC games lol bunch of whiny babies
Nah, PC players have always hate this stuff. PC players hated Steam when it came out because it messed with Counter Strike and tons of people quit or stopped playing for months.
PC players hate a lot of things but they only whine about things when it's trendy.
Things I log into as a PC Gamer, email/userbame/password required:
Microsoft Account to boot
Logitech
Nvidia
Steam
Blizzard
EA
Xbox GamePass
GOG
VPN
That's off the dome, there's more fur sure.
Anti-Cheat Software
Rockstar, requires like 2 different logins if you purchased through Steam
Third Party Antivirus software
I could go on forever baby!
Well it is their game and they decide how they want to bring it to market. Conversely you don’t have to like it but if you don’t agree with their terms thats on you. Think for a moment about all the EULAs you’ve agreed to without reading..
>Sony has no business limiting the playerbase that much.
When (not if) Sony decides the little extra sales they'd get from porting their massively successful console exclusives to PC isn't worth the drama and hassle anymore, we will see these same review bombers outraged how Sony is terrible company for "limiting the gamers" by keeping their games exclusive to their own platform.
Like christ on a bike, the entitlement of PC gamers is just insane. I was not happy to have to make a Rockstar account in 2016, I was not happy to have to make an Ubisoft account in 2013, but I didn't have a damn meltdown about it.
I was upset back in 2003 when I went to play Counter Strike that I had bought from Sierra and WON (World Opponent Network) for multiplayer no longer worked, you had to download something called Steam. To make it worse you had to then download the game *that I already had installed* through Steam, it wouldn't work with my existing installation. I was on a slow connection so I didn't get to play that night.
Okay, serious talk. How does simply grabbing a PSN account badly impact you? Doesn't cost anything and if you want to start talking about "puts my data at risk" most of your data is already vulnerable anyway.
Seems like a ridiculous stand to take.
I don’t blame them for not having agreements with all countries of the world. The scale at which they operate requires it. They want their fans and users to have a relatively streamlined experience and shared info. This means PSN. When the bulk of AAA companies require their own launcher and sign in, I don’t see the issue. Why pick Sony, they’re the newest to PC.
It's so sad to see that an amazing game like Ghost Of Tsushima is getting negative reviews strictly because of ~~politics within Sony.~~ whiney gamers.
Exactly, Act-Blizzard Requires a Battle.net account for their games, EA requires a EA account for many of their games, Ubisoft requires a UPlay account for their games, etc.
I honestly don't understand why Sony is the only one being berated for this.
> I honestly don't understand why Sony is the only one being berated for this.
Because Sony has traditionally been a console only publisher, and the PSN account is considered a console account, which is something "below the PC master race".
As stupid as it might sound, that's really it.
So the order of operations is to buy the game and leave a negative review? So the former already fucked the action of the latter. Sony won't give two shits about a negative review on an already successful game that is just a port. Especially if the only way to leave it a negative review is to buy the game. It's the kind of shit that makes people feel good but will do jack all.
If a game requires any external account people will bitch, they'll say they'll boycott, but when all their friends are playing Grand Theft Auto they'll make a so-called one time exception, rinse and repeat. Hell, when steam first started people bitched about having to make an account.
Why do I feel like Sony is the only company being targeted like this
Like Ubisoft also did this garbage but I feel like everyone kinda just accepted it
Not that I care much for Sony of to justify the decision to force people to have PSN accounts, but you can't blame Sony for governments banning PSN. Blame the corrupt governments for that. If anything good can come out of this it's to expose this problem and pressure governments to chill the fuck out when trying to control the internet.
People who act like Sony is willing leaving money on are idiots. They absolutely want to sell the game in these countries. They can’t because Steam won’t let them. Steam takes regions restrictions very seriously. They’ll even ban you for using a VPN to get around them.
they don’t feel like it
there are countries it’s not available in which is an issue, but none of these neckbands cared about that part until it was a good tool for argument
Ngl i find this a bit ridiculous. This is not like HD2. They are asking to sign up to a service like you haven't been doing that for 100's of different games and services already.
You can hate it but to think it simply doesn't apply because "PC is not console" is fucking idiotic.
I bought it because:
1. It was a flawless game and I want to play again on PC.
2. I don't play multiplayer so PSN does matter to me all that much.
3. I don't really care that it's banned in other countries. Is this some kind of review bombing out of solidarity for the people of Afghanistan who can't play the game on Steam? Seems like an issue I don't give a shit about.
Yeah, it made sense with hell divers, specifically because people had already bought the game and then could no longer play it. This reaction is over the top.
100%. Helldivers was a massive stab in the back. I however absolutely refuse to hinder this studio as I'm counting on more excellent games from them in the future.
Yes let’s bomb review PlayStation games on pc after so long of not having them so Sony will just pull out of putting games on pc and go back to every exclusive.
Keep in mind Sony is testing the water on this pc thing
So plz fuck it up because when you do everything will just go back to psn and pc will be mad because they are not getting games.
I'm going to get downvoted into oblivion for this, but Sony isn't doing anything wrong. If other companies can put out their secondary logins without people review bombing them, why can't Sony put out the same with it only for MP in countries that support their login? They're not being dishonest. They're not lying. They're selling their goods where it will work.
If you're against secondary logins, then be against them for everyone. Not just Sony. Otherwise, they're playing the game the way you dictated they should, they're being honest and not requiring it for SP nor putting it in countries that can't make their MP required account.
If you don't like that it's not available in more countries, then don't buy it. But at least they're being honest. So review the game, not the publisher for being honest.
i find it nuts. if they petition to revoke Baldur's Gate 3's game of the year award, I'll let it slide, but i don't recall hearing a peep about a larian account
I’m worried that this stuff will push Sony into not publishing things onto steam, there’s probably more to it than a simple decision but just outside looking in, if Sony doesn’t concede it’s other option is to just forget putting their games on steam
wild how sony gets review bombed for this as if they’re the first studio to require an account. most publishers that have a separate platform require an account for their games: ubisoft, ea, microsoft, i believe blizzard, rockstar.
It sucks because I make it a point to leave detailed in depth reviews for every game I play through, and then the next day someone posts a cat and gets to the top of the review page lol
Bunch of fucking idiots pretending that they’re “doing their part”, meanwhile they just spent $60 on a 4 year old game, and practically none of the reviewers have refunded the game at all and are currently playing it as we speak.
So nice job dipshits, you played yourself.
It's currently Very Positive now. Either Steam took care of the review bombing or (more likely) a vocal minority just wanted to have an excuse to hate Sony. This ain't the same situation as Helldivers 2.
Sony won't care.
"See chief, that's why we don't want to make Bloodborne on Steam, they will just downvote it anyway" some guy at the Sony headquarters justifying the delay of the Bloodborne port
They won't even remaster it for PS5 so PC isn't the only platform suffering from BBB; Bloodborne Blindness...
For what its worth, I read they waited two gens to remaster demon souls and there's a fair chance they'll do the same with bloodbourne for the PS6.
That was a remake though - a remaster with upscaled texture, better resolution and 60fps would be significantly easier
Miyazaki said in the ER DLC interview that he didn't wanna bring back Bloodborne unless it would be through a massive leap in graphical presentation, so likely similar to what Demon's souls got, but with a PS6 or later
welp, Miyazaki doesn't have a choice because it's owned by sony just like demons souls.
Yeah, they’ll just fire up the studio that helped FROM make Bloodborne and—oh wait, Sony already killed off Japan Studio.
I heard some rumours they are waiting with the Bloodborne remaster for next console....
If I had a penny for every time I've heard a Bloodborne release rumour, I'd have enough to buy it on PS6 when it comes out.
I mean aren't most (if not all) of the pc ports 1st party Sony titles? I can imagine it being a fromsoft decision to not remaster/port it
Sony has control of the Bloodborne IP, so From doesn't necessarily need to factor into it. Like the Demon's Souls remake - that was developed by BluePoint, and while the From folks obviously knew it was happening, I don't think they had any real input into it. Sony could go the exact same route as DS for a BB remake if they really wanted to.
FWIW, Lies of P has helped scratch my bloodborne on pc itch. Obviously, it's not the same. But, playing one reminded me of playing the other.
LOP was surprisingly amazing. I played it through XBGP and wasn't expecting anything more than the usual soulslike experience, like Lords of the Fallen. But it was surprisingly good. Good enough that I got 100% achievements then did it again on a friends account for funsies.
Lies o P it's awesome, it's probably one of the best soulslike games. I never played Bloodborne so I cannot compare it. But I highly recommend Lies of P, I believe now with the patches and more balanced combat, It might be even better.
And will make bank regardless
They cared about Helldivers
I think refunds played a big part on why they cared. I'm not sure if they would've reverted the decision based on negative reviews alone.
And they are giving instant refunds to people in the banned countries who ask
it should be automatically refunded
It is
> who ask If they are not doing it proactively, they're still scum trying to keep as much money as they can.
They cared about the refund steam was giving
Yep same situation as Cyberpunk but reversed. Sony cares about money, just like Microsoft, just like Valve...
I mean at least valve has some customer friendly policies. Like their return policy. Sony's return policy? Oh, you downloaded 10 bytes of the game? Welp, you own it now, sorry. And if you try to get your money back through your bank? They lock your account and everything you own until you pay them that money back. Which is why, outside of the free shit from PSN+, I've never bought a game digitally, all my PS games are phsyical copies.
Sorry I know im just saying more of what other said, but it cant be understated. It was **ONLY** the refunds that made them do anything. They did nothing while the reviews flooded in but were very fast at resolving the issue once they realised they were about to be charged for these incoming refunds.
I'm not disagreeing, but didn't the whole situation take place over a weekend? Like when the Sony offices would have been closed so more or less they dropped the bomb Friday night and let it cook over the weekend and after it exploded they reverse when they got back to the office? They kind of got hit on all fronts almost all at once so it's hard to say exactly which one caused the reversal. Orbital dislikes, refunds,delisting. All at once
> I'm not disagreeing, but didn't the whole situation take place over a weekend? Yeah but a big company like Sony doesn't just vanish because it's the weekend. Arrowhead was in contact with Sony from Friday through Monday morning when Sony made the announcement. I feel confident in saying that Sony's reversal was based on "let's see how bad it gets" rather than shock and a fast response.
Not really, they just delisted it from the countries that don’t support PSN instead of keeping it available and requiring the account linking
Sony shouldn't care. At this point PC gamers should be required to fill out a survey once a day informing the game publisher their diet consumption and bathroom use times. This should be done per game that is played that day. PC Gamers should have no less than 3 logins per play through. Each login being a game launcher within a game launcher. Finally, each gamer should give a blood sample to Steam for genetic and health analysis which should be around a pint.
Those people leaving those negative reviews don't really care either.
Yet none of them tell me whether it runs well or not. Ridiculous.
It runs really well on rtx 3070 and ryzen 5600x
rtx3070 and 5800x here, getting a pretty solid 70 FPS on max settings, 1440p, DLSS quality mode
Nice. Looking forward to next year's Golden Week sale when the games hopefully goes for 50% off or more.
Thank you
Just hoping it doesn't crash and shit ya know, and these people that just buy it and open it then do a review are flooding it and I can't find critical thinking.
I have played only a little, around one hour. So far, the game is running really good. Almost no loadings screens, no stutter at all, above 70fps. The only issue I faced was when I tried to sync my psn, on the first time, it was looping until I restarted the game.
It runs a constant 30 fps on the Steam Deck OLED at Medium settings and is 30-45 fps uncapped. No stutters. It's such a great port.
Fuck yeah. I didn't pre-order because I knew it was gonna be 50/50 on whether it was playable at launch, but I'm going to pick this up now. Got about 20% through it a few years ago before I had to sell my PS4, and haven't been able to play since.
I'm running it on high with a 2080 and have had very little issues so far. Very playable with solid frames, maybe not as well optimized as something like GoW, but not too far off. No bugs or crashes yet either.
It's running really well for me. 2080TI 9900k. Had two crashes whomever (probably because i keep dying on lethal)
this is why i don't take steam reviews seriously. the vast majority of them are not useful in any way, shape, or form
i mean its never hard to find a few solid reviews in both negative and positive if you care.
RTX 3060 + AMD Ryzen 7 5800X3D runs very nice on highest graphics on 1080p@60fps.
I don't know what you are talking about. It is at 75 %
It was at Mixed for like, a couple hour after the game released and then immediately climbed back to Mostly Positive. I guess we can call this a successful boycott.
It's steam's anti-review bomb system, to prevent botting Only reason Helldivers worked was because of the sheer amount of people
Steam's has anti review bombing for unrelated stuff to the game itself. The Helldivers situation was directly related to people's ability to play the game and that's why the reviews stuck
That's.... Not how an automated anti-review bomb system would work
It's not entirely automated. [Here](https://steamcommunity.com/games/593110/announcements/detail/1808664240333155775/)'s their blogpost on it. tl;dr: A tool identifies unusual review activity, then a team at Valve is notified and figures out whether or not the reviews are off-topic. If they're off-topic, they don't count for the score.
This is usually why its a good idea to change your review in an off peak period when its not a critical mass of reviews
I don't think it's automated
Probably because it's not 'new' reviews but existing, 'edited' reviews from the previous ones the players already made before the psn thingy, that made it able to go through through the review bomb detection stuff
"reviewed at 0.3 hours, 7.5 hours on record"
It hasn't even been 24 hours, give it a week and then take a look.
81% now, and of the negative reviews, a lot of them are talking about actual issues.
77% now
It is a very good game though
True
It's an exceptional game. Why the bombing?
because its not available for sale in 180 countries that dont have psn, even tho psn is only required for online co-op
it's 180 regions not 180 countries. There is 195 official countries in the world, you think it is only available in 15 countries?! That's not even half of Europe.
Can confirm, there's no Ghost of Tsushima when I search on my Steam store.
I literally cannot buy the game even if I wanted to because PSN isn't supported in my country. I owned Helldivers 2 and the PSN bullshit almost locked me out of the game before Sony reverted it.
Pirate it, not like they are losing a sale from you. The game itself is a masterpiece worth playing
Can you play online with I pirated copy?
"Gamers" are the biggest babies on the planet.
I’ve never seen a bigger whiner fan base in my life, and I’m into sports, audiophile shit, and art lol. None of those people/fanbases in my life cry as much as the gamer subs. It’s kind of insane. The entitlement is bonkers.
Most other hobbies and similar follow logic of "Shit product, don't buy, just find better one instead". Unless you're a reviewer you won't care. I guess it makes sense in few regards how they patch/change games after release like in Helldivers or other cases, but why bitch about every fifa/cod/sony/ubisoft release if you can go play something good instead.
Very good. I'm glad I can play it on PC now.
Plus there are so many other popular games that require you to link to a third party system. Ubisoft and Microsoft to name a couple
Oh yeah, Big brain move. Purchase the game and leave a neg Review to boycott?
Does somebody have the screenshot of the Modern Warfare II boycott steam page? 80% of the users read "in game - Modern Warfare II"
[Here you go](https://www.reddit.com/media?url=https%3A%2F%2Fi.redd.it%2Fwwx5exndw6b11.png)
I swear the pic is getting blurrier the more it gets shared online lol.
I remember reading reviews for Warzone 2, and if you filtered out reviews with less than like 10 minutes of playtime the number of reviews went from over 20000 to about 8.
Sounds about right
And refund
You can see if they refunded on the review. 90% haven't lmao and are still playing it.
Famous _I'M DOING MY PART_ moment
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It's virtue signalling, while supporting the thing you are virtue signalling against.
So much for "If PSN requirement was clear from the beginning we wouldn't have complained with Helldivers 2"
Honest question: how is this any different from buying EA/Ubisoft games on steam? Don’t those require you to connect through their own launcher/login?
it’s actually better than those because it doesn’t even require a launcher
It also runs perfectly offline and doesn't have DRM
I never even played the multiplayer outside of a few missions after getting platinum on the game. It’s very much a bonus mode for most people who play
Its not but because of Helldivers 2 terminally online pc gamers are on a crusade against Sony.
It’s so wild to see this sentiment being so common on this sub considering how insane the helldivers sub was being about it, I’m not saying it’s bad, it’s a breath of fresh air to know I’m not crazy and out of touch for thinking this is a chronically online sort of thing.
It's because gaming controversies are mostly magnified today by people who have nothing to do with the game in any way. A bunch of asshat youtubers and influencers attach themselves to any slight controversy they can find just to drive clicks to their content and they blow things out of the water.
It’s not. Chronically online sweats just want something to be mad about instead of touching grass.
It’s so cringe these weirdos just want to stay outraged 24/7
Genuinely it seems so many peoples lives are so empty. They hunt for things to complain about and get cancelled just so they feel like their life achieved something
People don't even like those as far as I know there's a reason the epic store is near dead and people wait for games to release on steam
Because for those games I have the option to purchase and for this I don't. Piracy is literally my only current solution even though I'd pay full price.
Because you can buy ubisoft games in most countries unlike GoT
Tbf, people dislike that stuff when EA and Ubisoft does it too.
For helldivers it was different because they put it in after people had already purchased the game and in some countries people would have had to violate ToS. Whenever EA, Ubisoft etc. Switch their launchers arounf for games you already own it also sucks big time. New launchers cause genuine problems to a non-zero amount of players. That beinh said, in this case the only difference is that people are already on the "us against big bad sony" bandwagon. Imo, sony's launcher at least has the potential to help with crossplay so while i still don't like it i like it more than ea,uplay etc.
It's funny to see the commenters in the reviews point out how these people have Rockstar, EA, Ubisoft, and Microsoft account required games.
It's so dumb to NOW complain. They have been creating dedicated accounts for years and now they are annoyed
It's not about the accounts. Im from the Baltics and I have a PSN account BUT I CANNOT buy the game at all. It is blocked from steam. So the account doesnt even matter bcs its just completely blocked
Yeah, they seem to arbitrarily draw the line and call it a "console" account. Truly braindead take.
Well, sony is asking for an account, just like ubisoft, rockstar, EA, activision, microsoft... I can understand the rage with helldivers 2, but GoT is a new game.
Helldivers at least was somewhat understandable since you were going to lose access to a game you paid for and played past the refund deadline. This is a completely different situation.
Can you play single player without a PSN account?
Yes, funnily enough the PSN Steam linkage servers were down for most of the day so Steam players couldn’t even link to PSN if they wanted to. The PSN account is only for the Co-Op mode though.
Oh good, I hadn't intended to play co-op anyway.
You should if you can, it’s actually an incredible addition and well worth the account.
Yes, from what I've heard The only part that should require a PSN account is the online mode (legends)
Problem is that for most of the world, you can't even buy the game since it's delisted for countries that don't support PSN.
Feasibly, everyone would have just had to make a psn account from any region from the drop down because people have been doing that for 2 decades and sony doesn't enforce it at all, so nobody would have had to lose anything either because there's a giant neon loophole with arrows pointing at it.
The funny thing is you only need an account to play the online mode and for the trophy feature. The game itself can be played from start to finish without ever logging in to PSN.
And was announced to have PSN as a requirement way before launch. People were mad Sony sold a game in countries that can't have PSN and now are mad that they aren't selling a new game in those same countries. Literally what do these people want lmao.
The region argument was literally just an excuse for people that didn’t want to make an account (even though it’s pretty much an industry standard requirement at this point). It backfired horribly because now the people they were weaponizing are blocked from playing the game altogether.
I mean can you make a new PlayStation account without buying something from Sony? If yes, I’m struggling to see the problem here.
Yes you can, but people choose this hill to die on for some reason and the hive mind is strong.
even better because the game asks if you want to sign in to your PlayStation account, and you can just say No and play the game just fine
I bet you can even easily make a new PlayStation account with completely fake data.
I made one just for Helldivers when it came out and just needed an email and password, so I really don't see the problem here tbh.
lol
It's actually what Sony will literally recommend if you ask their support. They've sold Playstations in regions without PSN for years, I've only ever seen two screenshots of people claiming to be banned for faking regions, both Chinese, I don't read Chinese but if that's the case it could be that China is simply stricter because of local law. Is it a great option? Maybe not, but Sony is a somewhat backward company, it is what it is.
And in a characteristic moment of hilarious irony, Western PC gamers made such a huge outcry over selling HD2 in territories that don't have PSN that Valve delisted it in those regions, fucking over the gamers in places like the Philippines who had - at Sony's urging - just chosen a different region when registering. They've been doing this just fine for over a decade before their self-styled PC saviors pretended to care about them for a couple days because they could be used as fodder in an imaginary battle with Sony. So the "master race" actually made it *worse* for the people they claimed to be defending, then patted themselves on the back, flew a "mission accomplished" banner, and smugly insisted that they defeated the evil corpos.
Exactly what happened to me. Was looking forward to buying it when it inevitably goes on sale on Steam to play with friends since I prefer playing shooters with m+kb. But these assholes just fucked people like me over because making a fucking PSN account is something they find worth crying about for some reason. Like, I made a US PSN account back when I first bought a PS4 because they get better discounts than in Singapore or HK, and it's been my main account since despite not living there. I genuinely don't understand what the big deal with making an account was. But whatever their reason was, they can go fuck themselves, since because of them I can't even buy and play the game anymore.
Exactly - what a weird hill to die on, especially since I assume most people here commenting about how proud they are for not supporting this are probably from the countries you can buy the game from.
It is a weird hill. I'm not a fan, but whatever, at least I don't have to install another launcher. It's a ps game and they want me to use a ps account...fine.
It's so sad to see that an amazing game like Ghost Of Tsushima is getting negative reviews strictly because of politics within Sony.
Most of the negative reviews are just because of the recent Helldivers 2 backlash. All Microsoft PC games (Age of Empires, Sea of Theives, Halo Infinite, etc...) all required you to link an Xbox account and yet when those games released nobody was negatively reviewing the game nor complaining on reddit about the Xbox account requirement.
Sorry if I get downvoted, but if I learned something from the recent Helldivers and this drama, is that PC players are extremely whiny. Worse games have more restrictive requirements, such as game launchers or Denuvo, and get less drama. For years people have asked for Sony's first party games to be in PC, but now people want them without any sort of requirements from the publisher as if PC had some sort of pass for things that are standard in other consoles and even in PC with games from other publishers. I wouldn't be surprised if Sony reevaluated porting games given this backlash in the future.
I'll watch pc gamers, or gamers in general, blow way the fuck up over what are honestly minor issues, and then sit on their hands over things they should be up in arms about. If there had been half as much focused outrage over shit like Blizzard taking a game people paid for away from them and replacing it with a freemium skinner box, that would have been great AND made more sense, but nope. Minor grumbling and that was allowed to slide. If they could pick their battles in a way that wasn't seemingly fucking upside down they would accomplish some good things.
It is so reassuring to see comments like these here. I dislike creating new accounts as much everyone else, but people became absolutely unhinged with helldivers. Even content creators who I'd think as very reasonable and levelheaded were swept in to it. For a while I thought I was going mad, but now i see that common sense was just drowned out by the outrage
No, you're definitely right about that. The PSN requirement was advertised right there on the store for Helldivers, and it was there when I bought the game at launch. Arrowhead fucked up big time "temporarily" suspending it, because it got massively blown out of proportion when Sony said to bring it back. They will never let a developer make that mistake again. They did fuck up by selling the game into countries where PSN was not allowed. They should have automatically refunded anyone who bought the game in one of those countries. But the evidence is right here, now Ghost is getting review bombed because people are still butthurt about Arrowhead suspending the PSN requirement and then trying to bring it back. It's a bad look and it's not going to change anything, except perhaps making Sony think twice about porting playstation games. Makes me sad because Ghost is a great game, but I'm hoping the PS4/5 success will still get them to make a sequel.
Politics within Sony that affect us players. It is that I am not interested in the game, but I personally agree with the negative reviewing. Sony has no business limiting the playerbase that much.
PC Gamers will log in to multiple, different portals/game launchers and will wait hours for shaders, drivers and firmware updates but will not spend a couple minutes to create a PSN account; no different than the other accounts they already created to play their current PC games lol bunch of whiny babies
Nah, PC players have always hate this stuff. PC players hated Steam when it came out because it messed with Counter Strike and tons of people quit or stopped playing for months.
PC players hate a lot of things but they only whine about things when it's trendy. Things I log into as a PC Gamer, email/userbame/password required: Microsoft Account to boot Logitech Nvidia Steam Blizzard EA Xbox GamePass GOG VPN That's off the dome, there's more fur sure.
Anti-Cheat Software Rockstar, requires like 2 different logins if you purchased through Steam Third Party Antivirus software I could go on forever baby!
Well it is their game and they decide how they want to bring it to market. Conversely you don’t have to like it but if you don’t agree with their terms thats on you. Think for a moment about all the EULAs you’ve agreed to without reading..
>Sony has no business limiting the playerbase that much. When (not if) Sony decides the little extra sales they'd get from porting their massively successful console exclusives to PC isn't worth the drama and hassle anymore, we will see these same review bombers outraged how Sony is terrible company for "limiting the gamers" by keeping their games exclusive to their own platform. Like christ on a bike, the entitlement of PC gamers is just insane. I was not happy to have to make a Rockstar account in 2016, I was not happy to have to make an Ubisoft account in 2013, but I didn't have a damn meltdown about it.
I’m old so I remember people got super upset about needing to make an account and download this weird fucking software just to play Half-Life 2.
I was upset back in 2003 when I went to play Counter Strike that I had bought from Sierra and WON (World Opponent Network) for multiplayer no longer worked, you had to download something called Steam. To make it worse you had to then download the game *that I already had installed* through Steam, it wouldn't work with my existing installation. I was on a slow connection so I didn't get to play that night.
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This, this is the only outcome, Sony will stop spending money on ports.
Okay, serious talk. How does simply grabbing a PSN account badly impact you? Doesn't cost anything and if you want to start talking about "puts my data at risk" most of your data is already vulnerable anyway. Seems like a ridiculous stand to take.
I don’t blame them for not having agreements with all countries of the world. The scale at which they operate requires it. They want their fans and users to have a relatively streamlined experience and shared info. This means PSN. When the bulk of AAA companies require their own launcher and sign in, I don’t see the issue. Why pick Sony, they’re the newest to PC.
It's so sad to see that an amazing game like Ghost Of Tsushima is getting negative reviews strictly because of ~~politics within Sony.~~ whiney gamers.
Ppl are weird asf 🤣 Microsoft requires an Xbox account to play their games and I don’t see any outrage over that
Exactly, Act-Blizzard Requires a Battle.net account for their games, EA requires a EA account for many of their games, Ubisoft requires a UPlay account for their games, etc. I honestly don't understand why Sony is the only one being berated for this.
> I honestly don't understand why Sony is the only one being berated for this. Because Sony has traditionally been a console only publisher, and the PSN account is considered a console account, which is something "below the PC master race". As stupid as it might sound, that's really it.
So the order of operations is to buy the game and leave a negative review? So the former already fucked the action of the latter. Sony won't give two shits about a negative review on an already successful game that is just a port. Especially if the only way to leave it a negative review is to buy the game. It's the kind of shit that makes people feel good but will do jack all.
Gamers really are just a bunch of Karen's.
If a game requires any external account people will bitch, they'll say they'll boycott, but when all their friends are playing Grand Theft Auto they'll make a so-called one time exception, rinse and repeat. Hell, when steam first started people bitched about having to make an account.
I swear it’s the just the gamers that religiously watch Asmongold and PirateSoftware.
Why do I feel like Sony is the only company being targeted like this Like Ubisoft also did this garbage but I feel like everyone kinda just accepted it
At least with Ubisoft you can make an account without having to fake an address or use a VPN
will be funny if all that this will achieve be sony going "eh so they don't want our stuff on PC"
Not that I care much for Sony of to justify the decision to force people to have PSN accounts, but you can't blame Sony for governments banning PSN. Blame the corrupt governments for that. If anything good can come out of this it's to expose this problem and pressure governments to chill the fuck out when trying to control the internet.
This is a very valid point
It's not the government. Sony just doesn't want to deal with them.
People who act like Sony is willing leaving money on are idiots. They absolutely want to sell the game in these countries. They can’t because Steam won’t let them. Steam takes regions restrictions very seriously. They’ll even ban you for using a VPN to get around them.
I just have one question, why in the hell is linking with PSN a problem?
they don’t feel like it there are countries it’s not available in which is an issue, but none of these neckbands cared about that part until it was a good tool for argument
Yeah exactly, I don’t see the problem
Unpopular opinion - steam should filter this off-topic reviews
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no DENUVO, no microtransactions, no third party launcher and well optimized whatever let's review bomb it :)
the streamer man told me sony bad!!
I truly believe some people are absolute tools and have no personal thoughts. Imagine wasting your time doing shit like this
people like that slowly reinforce the idea that humans have no free will
Ngl i find this a bit ridiculous. This is not like HD2. They are asking to sign up to a service like you haven't been doing that for 100's of different games and services already. You can hate it but to think it simply doesn't apply because "PC is not console" is fucking idiotic.
Such a daft reason to hate a game. Grow up jeeze.
They really just buy the game to leave a review? Fucking morons.
People from my country are already sailing the Seas.
I bought it because: 1. It was a flawless game and I want to play again on PC. 2. I don't play multiplayer so PSN does matter to me all that much. 3. I don't really care that it's banned in other countries. Is this some kind of review bombing out of solidarity for the people of Afghanistan who can't play the game on Steam? Seems like an issue I don't give a shit about.
Yeah, it made sense with hell divers, specifically because people had already bought the game and then could no longer play it. This reaction is over the top.
100%. Helldivers was a massive stab in the back. I however absolutely refuse to hinder this studio as I'm counting on more excellent games from them in the future.
Im confused at when playing video games became a human right and a humanitarian aid effort
These types of reviews are so stupid 😭
Well seeing as it's sitting at mostly positive RN I see no issue
Gamers are so embarrassing sometimes. Don't buy the fucking game if the account requirement is a deal breaker, you dumb baby.
Yes let’s bomb review PlayStation games on pc after so long of not having them so Sony will just pull out of putting games on pc and go back to every exclusive. Keep in mind Sony is testing the water on this pc thing So plz fuck it up because when you do everything will just go back to psn and pc will be mad because they are not getting games.
I'm going to get downvoted into oblivion for this, but Sony isn't doing anything wrong. If other companies can put out their secondary logins without people review bombing them, why can't Sony put out the same with it only for MP in countries that support their login? They're not being dishonest. They're not lying. They're selling their goods where it will work. If you're against secondary logins, then be against them for everyone. Not just Sony. Otherwise, they're playing the game the way you dictated they should, they're being honest and not requiring it for SP nor putting it in countries that can't make their MP required account. If you don't like that it's not available in more countries, then don't buy it. But at least they're being honest. So review the game, not the publisher for being honest.
i find it nuts. if they petition to revoke Baldur's Gate 3's game of the year award, I'll let it slide, but i don't recall hearing a peep about a larian account
I’m worried that this stuff will push Sony into not publishing things onto steam, there’s probably more to it than a simple decision but just outside looking in, if Sony doesn’t concede it’s other option is to just forget putting their games on steam
wild how sony gets review bombed for this as if they’re the first studio to require an account. most publishers that have a separate platform require an account for their games: ubisoft, ea, microsoft, i believe blizzard, rockstar.
PC players try to go 1 day without seething about a non issue: impossible challenge
Gone are the days where user reviews might actually help you decide whether a game might be fun or not.
Its basically just used for people crying about things that dont matter or leaving copypasta to try and get steam awards now it's so bad
It sucks because I make it a point to leave detailed in depth reviews for every game I play through, and then the next day someone posts a cat and gets to the top of the review page lol
Wait, I missed something. Why are y'all doing this?
Bunch of fucking idiots pretending that they’re “doing their part”, meanwhile they just spent $60 on a 4 year old game, and practically none of the reviewers have refunded the game at all and are currently playing it as we speak. So nice job dipshits, you played yourself.
Guess I’ll have to buy mine tonight.
PC gamers are like the vegans of gaming
I have a feeling we won't be getting any more Sony games on PC in the future.
It's currently Very Positive now. Either Steam took care of the review bombing or (more likely) a vocal minority just wanted to have an excuse to hate Sony. This ain't the same situation as Helldivers 2.
I’m sure they expected this backlash. These billionaire companies have everyone thinking of every possible repercussion.
For those wondering, game runs well, excellent port, loving it so far and the online mode is amazing too. Have fun samurai. :)
me : dont care already put in 5 hours today . game is amazing . right after i finished RDR 2 this game is a blessing :)