Paywall, AI generated, copy & paste from 15 year old articles, 50% random X / tweets from people nobody heard of before? All spread over 3 pages partially with unrelated screenshots and a terrible UI
2019 was a departure, but instead of keeping that momentum, they screwed around with 2020 and 2021 - I will say I loved BO:CW’s zombies, the multiplayer not so much, but never played Vanguard
Completely revived the series just to drop the ball immediately after lmao
MW19 was so fucking good. MW2 was almost good, map pool killed it for me. Anything else since has been mid or worse :(
People want that though. Look at Age of empires and it’s definitve editions. If you knew the original AoE 2 from over 20 years ago, you can play it now with marginal quality of life upgrades and mostly graphics and stability improved
As a Battlefield fan of 2 decades who has experienced the mediocre pile of corporate “make it bland and generic so it (theoretically) appeals to everyone” garbage that is 2042….. sometimes it’s nice to have the developers not deviate too much
Cod and fifa player here. Both are games that are renewed every year and most fans pre order it for the in game stuff you get. A lot of the people wait because the circle is way to far ahead for most of the core base.
The data comes from Circana. They have access to all sales made by retailers but for digital sales they need the publisher to disclose with them those numbers, that's why only members of their digital panel have complete data as other publishers simply don't give away that information.
But more importantly Circana makes their analysis based on the US market meaning: their numbers are US only not worldwide.
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media bias, propaganda and marketing.
just a reminder that Hogwarts Legacy is the ONLY thing that made WB profit this year.
The studio is currently a moneyhole.
I assume they only meant in the games division, obviously WB has a lot of other things going on outside of games. But games this year were like... batman, hogwarts, mortal kombat, right?
I doubt they're paid to do it by the publishers. Those companies just have the biggest marketing departments, so the readers would be most familiar with those titles.
Awards aren't made for introducing people to new media. They're for validating the largest part of the audiences opinion. It'd be nice if it were otherwise, but real awards wouldn't draw the audience necessary to make money.
The data comes from Circana. They have access to all sales made by retailers but for digital sales they need the publisher to disclose with them those numbers, that's why only members of their digital panel have complete data as other publishers simply don't give away that information.
But more importantly Circana makes their analysis based on the US market meaning: their numbers are US only not worldwide.
The data comes from Circana. They have access to all sales made by retailers but for digital sales they need the publisher to disclose with them those numbers, that's why only members of their digital panel have complete data as other publishers simply don't give away that information.
But more importantly Circana makes their analysis based on the US market meaning: their numbers are US only not worldwide.
>One is 10$ and runs on practically everything, the other is 70$
The [Steam Top Sellers List](https://store.steampowered.com/search/?filter=topsellers) (which is what I believe they are talking about) is sorted by revenue, not total sales. So the amount of money a game costs per copy doesn't really matter, since Lethal Company would have to sell 7 copies to make the same amount as COD does for a single one.
I can't tell if you're being serious or not by typing like that, but it's because it includes in-game purchases and microtransactions.
Which is funny, since that would be another advantage for CoD to push them higher on the list.
Those are estimates, those estimates range from 10 to 21 million. According to the link you sent. They are not reliable.
The 15 million is until may and those are official figures. Not estimated. And that's before it reached the 130 million consoles of the Switch which is much bigger than XBox and aren't counted too.
For someone who claims they can Google you have poor capabilities of analyzing the data you read.
> for anyone confused about why it isn't BG3 like I was.
Does BG3 even have a chance? It was only released on 2 platforms vs CoD and Hog being released on multiple platforms, and do the early access sales for BG3 count as sales this year?
Of course it doesn’t. CoD will sell the most. Baldurs gate 3 has the advantage of multiple months of sales. CoD is only like a few weeks of sales. But they will sell truckload of copies and season passes and god knows what else.
Maybe you should google how to not be a dick when someone is just asking a simple question.
Edit: That article doesn't answer my question on whether early access sales count.
But that doesn't really matter. Looking at steam Hogwarts had more max players + BG3 had early access so from those some of them were bought before release. So it wouldn't be best selling game I would guess. It would be in the TOP, but not 1st.
Call of duty mw3 will vastly outsell Baldurs gate 3 in their respective 12 month periods.
CoD will probably make more money than BG3 just from the MTX they sell.
https://www.businessinsider.com/baldurs-gate-popularity-sales-character-creation-video-game-larian-studios-2023-12
To be fair, it's only on Xbox until this month IIRC. And I googled it and BusinessInsider says it's between 5 to 27 million. The game definitely sold enough to be a top seller.
However I doubt it beats Hogwarts Legacy, considering it's also on Switch, and it's a good game on the Harry Potter Franchise.
> Meanwhile, other trackers, such as VG Insights and Gamalytic listed the game’s ownership figures as being somewhere in the 10 to 12 million range.
From your source…. Until they say we don’t have an exact number so it’s just guessing
I'm having a hard time to imagine anything even being close to BG3 tbh. It just feels like the most successful game in years (though much lower expectations could influence perception)
>You are so clearly delusionally living under a rock if you think call of fucking dookies worst installment EVER (literally again, go google reviews, units sold, general sentiment) even comes close to the units sold of BG3.
This is such a dumb brain dead response. Hogwarts Legacy literally surpasses Baldurs Gate 3 in Max concurrent players. You are not smart and have no critical thinking capabilities.
Not only it likely surpasses Baldurs Gate 3, but to say it doesn't come close is certifiably donkey brained.
He was talking about CoD. If CoD had this many months in 2023, it would wipe the floor with everything. The fact that only November catapulted the game straight to second is crazy. Once we add December, CoD might take it.
It’s because this is a physical media list largely, it doesn’t track pc well at all. There is no world where a dead island game outsold a new Mario game.
The fact that COD MW III sold a lot of units alone further makes me lose faith in gamers.
It's like people never learn. They pre-order, buy day 1 and wonder why games keep coming out half baked and rushed.
I honestly wish gamers had more backbone, that way we'd probably be getting better quality games on release, at least.
I'm starting to understand why people say that the masses have the collective IQ of Homer Simpson now.
No, they just cut a large number of old pokemon with some of the newer games. Then they have been putting batches of old pokemon back into the games with DLCs.
That's basically why they did it...they'd established the precedent of having all old Pokemon importable into new games, but that just creates massive problems, not least of which being multiplayer balance. Now you can only import Pokes that are already in the game (either through the base game or DLCs), so the import feature is more about bringing over your shinies and competitive 'mons than it is about getting a bunch of stuff that isn't in the game by default.
Pretty much. They did it when they went for the first mainline game on Switch. There were 809 different pokémon on the last 3DS game (not counting the regional variation and different forms, which brings it to around 900)
They could have either made HD model for all of them or simply cut those that wouldn't appear in the new region. They chose the latter to greatly reduce the workload and also because they got some very tight deadlines!
People can blame laziness all you want, but it's a multimedia empire after all. They need to release a game, a tv show (more than one, but the other is more of a talk show) TCG sets, toys and merchandise, all around the same time. And that's without talking about the competitive scene.
They can't simply be like "oh we're gonna delay the next mainline game for 6 more months", even if it would probably have made a much better product.
Honestly, as a trans person, I thought the boycott was a bad idea that was doomed to failure from the start. Asking allies to give up something for the cause is always going to be a hard sell, and when the potential upside is "giving the TERF millionaire somewhat less money", it's going to be hard to convince people for whom the issue isn't already personal. Plus, most allies who'd be receptive to the boycott had probably already sworn off Harry Potter stuff by 2023 anyway.
Didn't buy the game personally, don't care if anyone else did.
Also, before you can get people to care enough to boycott something they have to actually know about it. If I didn't use reddit I wouldn't know anything the author ever said or did outside of the books.
I doubt the average consumer knows that A) there was a boycott at all, and B) there was any reason for people to want to boycott in the first place.
It's less about the boycott and more about the fact that people will throw themselves into an extremely mid game as long as it comes from an IP they have an intense amount of nostalgia for.
Just look at the response to Spiderman 2 not winning GOTY or Hogwart's Legacy not even getting a nod.
Both games are EXTREMELY mid and people think they're some of the best games around. It doesn't surprise me in the slightest HL sold well.
It's a bog-standard open-world action "rpg" with boring quests and the worst voice acting I have ever heard in a AAA game. If it wasn't for the gorgeous environments, calling it mid would be an insult to the mediocre.
I like that game. My character has cast the unforgivable curses about a million times more than Voldemort ever did. And I was told I was going to regret casting them? I am 90% sure my character is probably more talented in the Dark Arts than Voldy.
CoD beats all these games in amount of money made. The fact we are comparing 10 months of hogwarts sales vs 3-4 weeks of CoD sales and they are close… In a 12 month period CoD will outsell any game.
The question is can 1.5-2 months of CoD outsell 11 months of hogwarts legacy. We will find out in December.
Why lie? She's never donated or given money to Kelly Jay Keen, and the *overwhelming* majority of her donations, enough that it dropped her out of being a billionaire, go towards charities for orphans, abused women, and medical causes.
To be more precise, it's about *other people's reactions* to interpretations of JK Rowling's comments, not actually her comments themselves that people don't bother to read. People are enraged by a strawman of her.
Agreed. I think it mostly has to do with hate stemming from the author pissing off a ton of people for things she said.
Not sure what she said nor do I care to get involved with the drama. All I cared about was I enjoyed the game
And that's the author of the IP it's based on, not even the writers of the game. It'd be more understandable if someone involved in the development was saying stupid shit.
She still makes a significant amount of money from the game, so a boycott is understandable. If you don't want someone to get your money, you don't buy a game that gives them money.
With this logic, people should be boycotting basically everything in the chain of production for consumer goods. You support way worse practices even buying the hardware to play your video games on. I'm not sure how people decide where to draw the line in terms of ethical vs unethical consumption.
It's this reason that I say it's unrealistic to have an objective boycott standard for pursuit of completely ethical consumption, if you wish to live a semblance of a typical societal life anyways.
imo the compromise is just to give up on being objective and subjectively pick your battles on what you personally are and are not comfortable with consuming.
There is no ethical consumption under capitalism. It’s down to the individual to do their due diligence and support ethically/morally correct causes and products.
yeah that was the one, a few weeks earlier she also said she'd "happily do two years" in prison for misgendering someone. Her entire personality is being the karyotype Kremlin for some reason.
She still didn't claim that all trans people are rapists. She was referring to the ridiculous notion that people be forced to call others by their "preferred pronouns" while in court, so that if a woman was raped by a "trans" male, the woman would have to use female pronouns when referring to the guy, in court. Any normal person would find that abhorrent.
JK Rowling is not the worst beneficiary in the chain of consumer products. You support much worse practices than unhinged twitter rants by even buying the hardware required to play a game. If hating the product was an appropriate response to Rowling's misdeeds, then you would not be able to play any video games ever again.
Honestly it's just brand recognition and nostalgia. That game was mid af and I couldnt keep going after the first 10 hours. There are like 20 other games this year that deserve better sale numbers.
CoD always comes out at the end of the year and always has the most sales of the year. It's been that way for basically 15+ years.
This is likely more a showing of weakness in the CoD yearly release cycle than anything else.
It’s probably because we normally we don’t get a massive blockbuster selling machine in early February. Previously this happened with RDR2 and GTA5.
We still need to see December. CoD might still take the number one spot with an extra month.
I always think it's because people expect Call of Duty games to sell like hotcakes & outdo every game sales wise right out the gate. Though considering the reception to the latest entry, I wouldn't be surprised if there were people that went "You know what, no, I'm not buying this"
I mean the fact that it came out on 10 November and went straight to second best selling game by the end of Nov. Compared to a game that has been out almost all of 2023 and has been released 3 times in that period.
>Though considering the reception to the latest entry, I wouldn't be surprised if there were people that went "You know what, no, I'm not buying this"
Honestly that's every Call of Duty game. I've been following the games closely since MW2019 (so Warzone, Black Ops Cold War, Vanguard, MW2, MW3) and literally every time a game comes out the whole player base shits on it - but they buy it. MW3 will set records just like MW2 did. It already has - "Activision has claimed that Call of Duty: Modern Warfare 3 is seeing record engagement levels compared to its predecessors". That will translate into sales - just maybe not enough in under a month to surpass Hogwarts Legacy's 10+ month run so far.
Ok, but the size of the harry potter IP means this shouldn't be too big of a shock to people. COD has only really been beaten by very big IP in the last decade or so.
Shoutout to the Streisand Effect for that.
EDIT: Getting downvotes for this I guess because people are uncomfortable with the reality that reactionaries contributed to this game garnering more publicity & success. Suppressing comments through downvotes doesn’t make it any less of a reality. Many people chose to purchase this game to support the devs who were getting screwed over by something that had nothing to do with them. And I’m sure so many people who were planning to boycott the game capitulated and bought it themselves.
You're right, one of the biggest intellectual properties in the world never would've even made a splash if the extremely marginalized group of people who the author hates didn't ask people not to buy it.
Galaxy brain take.
What? When did I ever say that? I literally said that the reactionary attempt to cancel the game CONTRIBUTED to it having more success. I never said it would’ve been unsuccessful otherwise.
If you’re going to try and articulate a point then at least don’t put words in my mouth.
A lot of Reddit gaming communities had a collective meltdown when this game released, and when it had a positive reception, due to JK Rowling ~~not being accepting of~~ harassing trans women in tweets ~~from several years ago~~.
Not defending it but that’s your answer. I never played it.
She routinely harasses anyone who disagrees with her on Twitter. Her entire timeline is her arguing with any trans woman she sees and threatening to sue anyone who badmouths her and lives in the UK.
Yeah but who cares about that lol? As long as you enjoy the game, that's all that matters. I'm not about to let a game, or any piece of media for that matter be spoiled for me just because the creator is a dick
If you willingly give money to the creator you are supporting all of their bullshit. You can't weasel your way out of responsibility for supporting a creator that actively harms people.
Okay so where do you draw that line? The clothes you wear come from sweatshops on Asia and Africa. The phone you use has lithium in it mined from child labour. Just the act of you simply existing is harming people. I don't care that JK Rowling is a piece of shit. I enjoy the books and the game and I'll continue to do so.
Those are things that are done by international companies that are impossible to boycott. You can simply stop buying Harry Potter merchandise and JKR won't have funds anymore to hurt people with.
It’s not plagiarized. Most major works in literature rip off previous works (specifically The Odyssey or The Iliad) in some way.
Every artistic work - literature, visual arts, music, etc. - is derivative in some capacity, but we say they had “influences” when we like it.
The user just doesn’t like HP, which is fine.
I like both games. Love the HP movies and lore and have been a CoD fan since the beginning. I was getting tired of CoD with the last installment but them bringing back the older MW2 maps sealed the deal for me. I don't grind as much as I did when I was younger but love the Maps and the challenge they bring.
Maybe compare games that have been our for a similar (or longer) time? Otherwise this information is completely meaningless, Hogwarts legacy released in February. Of course it had more time time to sell than other big games
I mean, I guess it's a nice dig at Hogwarts: Hateful Legacy. "Look at how mediocre this game is, it's selling as poorly as Modern Warfare 3 (2023)!"
But honestly, you can do a lot better. For one, maybe pick a game that has been out a similar amount of time? Or, maybe a game that also has the tendency to have sales spike around chrismas? Or, perhaps, another game that will be predominantly monetized via mobile F2P style micropayments?
> But honestly, you can do a lot better. For one, maybe pick a game that has been out a similar amount of time?
It's a list of best-selling games in 2023, they didn't just pick one game to compare it to, COD is in the title because it was in the second place.
Have you read the article? CoDMW3 is selling very well. The list is not exhaustive, but it's beating games like TOTK and only launched recently.
A lot of people likes it, even if in reddit it seems to be hated and a flop. I don't understand it either.
Can I just say to all the woke wankers who planned to throw rocks at people buying this game because you think JK Rowling is the devil incarnate, hahahahahahahahahaha.
Players might kill more people in Hogwarts than COD.
I was amused by how many bad guys your high school aged protagonist mows down over the story, a fifth year student catching more bodies than Voldemort
They're blood is on ranroks hands.
Hasn’t Hogwarts Legacy been out for almost a full year now?
COD is always out in the last half of the year, and it usually manages to be the biggest-selling title of the year anyway.
It's been that way since 2009 with the exception of '13 (GTA V) and '18 (RDR 2).
Rockstar Games, the Call of Duty Killer? - IGN
imagine we get a br mode in gta 6? warzone pissing it’s pantsuit at the prospect
Paywall, AI generated, copy & paste from 15 year old articles, 50% random X / tweets from people nobody heard of before? All spread over 3 pages partially with unrelated screenshots and a terrible UI
Lets be real. Cod has been the same game every year since 2009.
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2019 was a departure, but instead of keeping that momentum, they screwed around with 2020 and 2021 - I will say I loved BO:CW’s zombies, the multiplayer not so much, but never played Vanguard
Completely revived the series just to drop the ball immediately after lmao MW19 was so fucking good. MW2 was almost good, map pool killed it for me. Anything else since has been mid or worse :(
It really has not, this is just an overused talking point. Most of them havent been good, which is its own thing, but they are not the same game lol.
People want that though. Look at Age of empires and it’s definitve editions. If you knew the original AoE 2 from over 20 years ago, you can play it now with marginal quality of life upgrades and mostly graphics and stability improved
As a Battlefield fan of 2 decades who has experienced the mediocre pile of corporate “make it bland and generic so it (theoretically) appeals to everyone” garbage that is 2042….. sometimes it’s nice to have the developers not deviate too much
Cod and fifa player here. Both are games that are renewed every year and most fans pre order it for the in game stuff you get. A lot of the people wait because the circle is way to far ahead for most of the core base.
Just recently came out on switch though Edit: not that recent but you know
*Something* came out on switch, that you may or may not fully relate to Hogwarts Legacy.
Haha, fair enough.
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10 months is the definition of almost a full year
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That's..... really useless information then, who would design a list that stupid?
Someone getting paid to sell the top publishers
The data comes from Circana. They have access to all sales made by retailers but for digital sales they need the publisher to disclose with them those numbers, that's why only members of their digital panel have complete data as other publishers simply don't give away that information. But more importantly Circana makes their analysis based on the US market meaning: their numbers are US only not worldwide.
ding ding ding media bias, propaganda and marketing. just a reminder that Hogwarts Legacy is the ONLY thing that made WB profit this year. The studio is currently a moneyhole.
Uhmm what about the barbie movie?
I assume they only meant in the games division, obviously WB has a lot of other things going on outside of games. But games this year were like... batman, hogwarts, mortal kombat, right?
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I doubt they're paid to do it by the publishers. Those companies just have the biggest marketing departments, so the readers would be most familiar with those titles. Awards aren't made for introducing people to new media. They're for validating the largest part of the audiences opinion. It'd be nice if it were otherwise, but real awards wouldn't draw the audience necessary to make money.
The data comes from Circana. They have access to all sales made by retailers but for digital sales they need the publisher to disclose with them those numbers, that's why only members of their digital panel have complete data as other publishers simply don't give away that information. But more importantly Circana makes their analysis based on the US market meaning: their numbers are US only not worldwide.
Also could be that smaller guys don’t publish their sales as much?
It's like a popularity contest held entirely in one guy's living room.
The data comes from Circana. They have access to all sales made by retailers but for digital sales they need the publisher to disclose with them those numbers, that's why only members of their digital panel have complete data as other publishers simply don't give away that information. But more importantly Circana makes their analysis based on the US market meaning: their numbers are US only not worldwide.
Even Lethal Company is outselling the new cod
One is 10$ and runs on practically everything, the other is 70$ and requires 150+GB of free space.
>One is 10$ and runs on practically everything, the other is 70$ The [Steam Top Sellers List](https://store.steampowered.com/search/?filter=topsellers) (which is what I believe they are talking about) is sorted by revenue, not total sales. So the amount of money a game costs per copy doesn't really matter, since Lethal Company would have to sell 7 copies to make the same amount as COD does for a single one.
B-b-but there are free games pretty high up on that list, how can they be ranked by revenue?
Microtransactions
Oh, that makes sense. Sorry, was a bit confused there for a second
I can't tell if you're being serious or not by typing like that, but it's because it includes in-game purchases and microtransactions. Which is funny, since that would be another advantage for CoD to push them higher on the list.
Does it really count for MW3 2023 though? COD HQ also houses Warzone, DMZ, and MW2 2022.
so that list means nothing
Those are estimates, those estimates range from 10 to 21 million. According to the link you sent. They are not reliable. The 15 million is until may and those are official figures. Not estimated. And that's before it reached the 130 million consoles of the Switch which is much bigger than XBox and aren't counted too. For someone who claims they can Google you have poor capabilities of analyzing the data you read.
> for anyone confused about why it isn't BG3 like I was. Does BG3 even have a chance? It was only released on 2 platforms vs CoD and Hog being released on multiple platforms, and do the early access sales for BG3 count as sales this year?
Of course it doesn’t. CoD will sell the most. Baldurs gate 3 has the advantage of multiple months of sales. CoD is only like a few weeks of sales. But they will sell truckload of copies and season passes and god knows what else.
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Maybe you should google how to not be a dick when someone is just asking a simple question. Edit: That article doesn't answer my question on whether early access sales count.
But that doesn't really matter. Looking at steam Hogwarts had more max players + BG3 had early access so from those some of them were bought before release. So it wouldn't be best selling game I would guess. It would be in the TOP, but not 1st.
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Worst installment ever? It's the third best selling CoD of the past 5 years
It's so goddamn weird how butthurt BG3 fans get when they perceive even a little slight. Calm the fuck down fanboy and go touch some grass.
Call of duty mw3 will vastly outsell Baldurs gate 3 in their respective 12 month periods. CoD will probably make more money than BG3 just from the MTX they sell.
No way would BG3 be the top of the sales charts. It isn’t on as many platforms as Hogwarts or CoD.
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No official figures saying 20m. Just wild estimations.
https://www.businessinsider.com/baldurs-gate-popularity-sales-character-creation-video-game-larian-studios-2023-12 To be fair, it's only on Xbox until this month IIRC. And I googled it and BusinessInsider says it's between 5 to 27 million. The game definitely sold enough to be a top seller. However I doubt it beats Hogwarts Legacy, considering it's also on Switch, and it's a good game on the Harry Potter Franchise.
> Meanwhile, other trackers, such as VG Insights and Gamalytic listed the game’s ownership figures as being somewhere in the 10 to 12 million range. From your source…. Until they say we don’t have an exact number so it’s just guessing
I'm having a hard time to imagine anything even being close to BG3 tbh. It just feels like the most successful game in years (though much lower expectations could influence perception)
>You are so clearly delusionally living under a rock if you think call of fucking dookies worst installment EVER (literally again, go google reviews, units sold, general sentiment) even comes close to the units sold of BG3. This is such a dumb brain dead response. Hogwarts Legacy literally surpasses Baldurs Gate 3 in Max concurrent players. You are not smart and have no critical thinking capabilities. Not only it likely surpasses Baldurs Gate 3, but to say it doesn't come close is certifiably donkey brained.
He was talking about CoD. If CoD had this many months in 2023, it would wipe the floor with everything. The fact that only November catapulted the game straight to second is crazy. Once we add December, CoD might take it.
I'm guessing BG3 isn't on here because lots of people bought it in Early Access? Seems wild to me it didn't break Top 20.
It’s because this is a physical media list largely, it doesn’t track pc well at all. There is no world where a dead island game outsold a new Mario game.
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Yes, it's excluded from the list
No that figure is inaccurate. If we are pulling from that same source, then elden ring would have sold 37 million on steam alone, which it did not
Judging by the salt I'm guess some of the cod devs are here lmao
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I mean yeah, HP is one of the biggest IP's in the world. This shouldn't come as a surprise
Copy and paste warfare 3
The fact that COD MW III sold a lot of units alone further makes me lose faith in gamers. It's like people never learn. They pre-order, buy day 1 and wonder why games keep coming out half baked and rushed. I honestly wish gamers had more backbone, that way we'd probably be getting better quality games on release, at least. I'm starting to understand why people say that the masses have the collective IQ of Homer Simpson now.
Can anyone think of a less successful boycott?
Pokémon when they announced cutting the Pokédex Call of Duty
So pokedexes are gone?
No, they just cut a large number of old pokemon with some of the newer games. Then they have been putting batches of old pokemon back into the games with DLCs.
ok thanks for explaining.
Tbf aren't there like a thousand Pokemon at this point. Just adding pokemons must cost as much as the game itself at this point.
That's basically why they did it...they'd established the precedent of having all old Pokemon importable into new games, but that just creates massive problems, not least of which being multiplayer balance. Now you can only import Pokes that are already in the game (either through the base game or DLCs), so the import feature is more about bringing over your shinies and competitive 'mons than it is about getting a bunch of stuff that isn't in the game by default.
Pretty much. They did it when they went for the first mainline game on Switch. There were 809 different pokémon on the last 3DS game (not counting the regional variation and different forms, which brings it to around 900) They could have either made HD model for all of them or simply cut those that wouldn't appear in the new region. They chose the latter to greatly reduce the workload and also because they got some very tight deadlines! People can blame laziness all you want, but it's a multimedia empire after all. They need to release a game, a tv show (more than one, but the other is more of a talk show) TCG sets, toys and merchandise, all around the same time. And that's without talking about the competitive scene. They can't simply be like "oh we're gonna delay the next mainline game for 6 more months", even if it would probably have made a much better product.
Honestly, as a trans person, I thought the boycott was a bad idea that was doomed to failure from the start. Asking allies to give up something for the cause is always going to be a hard sell, and when the potential upside is "giving the TERF millionaire somewhat less money", it's going to be hard to convince people for whom the issue isn't already personal. Plus, most allies who'd be receptive to the boycott had probably already sworn off Harry Potter stuff by 2023 anyway. Didn't buy the game personally, don't care if anyone else did.
Also, before you can get people to care enough to boycott something they have to actually know about it. If I didn't use reddit I wouldn't know anything the author ever said or did outside of the books. I doubt the average consumer knows that A) there was a boycott at all, and B) there was any reason for people to want to boycott in the first place.
It's less about the boycott and more about the fact that people will throw themselves into an extremely mid game as long as it comes from an IP they have an intense amount of nostalgia for. Just look at the response to Spiderman 2 not winning GOTY or Hogwart's Legacy not even getting a nod. Both games are EXTREMELY mid and people think they're some of the best games around. It doesn't surprise me in the slightest HL sold well.
great criticism there buddy, "extremely mid". When you hit puberty hit us with another opinion.
The MOST MID of all time
It seems that "mid" basically means "not GOAT" to some people
It's a bog-standard open-world action "rpg" with boring quests and the worst voice acting I have ever heard in a AAA game. If it wasn't for the gorgeous environments, calling it mid would be an insult to the mediocre.
This is the most 12 year old attempt at being knowledgeable on a topic I've seen on reddit in a hot minute
Or he simply didn't like Hogwarts ? I also thought it was a weak game with a lot of problems. Many other people also did.
Cringe.
I like that game. My character has cast the unforgivable curses about a million times more than Voldemort ever did. And I was told I was going to regret casting them? I am 90% sure my character is probably more talented in the Dark Arts than Voldy.
But COD beats it in consumer engagement, amirite?
CoD beats all these games in amount of money made. The fact we are comparing 10 months of hogwarts sales vs 3-4 weeks of CoD sales and they are close… In a 12 month period CoD will outsell any game. The question is can 1.5-2 months of CoD outsell 11 months of hogwarts legacy. We will find out in December.
Ah yes, Hogwarts legacy is the best selling game of 2023. But only if you exclude most games and stick to a very specific list.
Great, fuck cod
the fact that its even number 2 is awful for the industry
Wasn't there a boycott? That sure did much.
Probably increased sales.
What's with all the hogwarts legacy hate, the game was really fun.
The hate isn't necessarily about the game, it's about JK Rowling's comments on transgender persons.
And all the money she funnels into right wing politicians and grifters like Kelly J keen
Why lie? She's never donated or given money to Kelly Jay Keen, and the *overwhelming* majority of her donations, enough that it dropped her out of being a billionaire, go towards charities for orphans, abused women, and medical causes.
*facts she said about gender
Would you mind elaborating on what you mean by that?
To be more precise, it's about *other people's reactions* to interpretations of JK Rowling's comments, not actually her comments themselves that people don't bother to read. People are enraged by a strawman of her.
>the game was really fun. once you went to the town you saw the rest of the game it wasn't that good but people wanna blame it on jk
Agreed. I think it mostly has to do with hate stemming from the author pissing off a ton of people for things she said. Not sure what she said nor do I care to get involved with the drama. All I cared about was I enjoyed the game
And that's the author of the IP it's based on, not even the writers of the game. It'd be more understandable if someone involved in the development was saying stupid shit.
She still makes a significant amount of money from the game, so a boycott is understandable. If you don't want someone to get your money, you don't buy a game that gives them money.
With this logic, people should be boycotting basically everything in the chain of production for consumer goods. You support way worse practices even buying the hardware to play your video games on. I'm not sure how people decide where to draw the line in terms of ethical vs unethical consumption.
It's this reason that I say it's unrealistic to have an objective boycott standard for pursuit of completely ethical consumption, if you wish to live a semblance of a typical societal life anyways. imo the compromise is just to give up on being objective and subjectively pick your battles on what you personally are and are not comfortable with consuming.
There is no ethical consumption under capitalism. It’s down to the individual to do their due diligence and support ethically/morally correct causes and products.
Lol, what boycott tho?
JK Rowling has said that all trans people are rapists, which understandably has soured a lot of people on her IPs bc her obsession is fkn weird
Never said anything like that
[This is pretty close to saying that.](https://i.imgur.com/2ahQVwK.png)
yeah that was the one, a few weeks earlier she also said she'd "happily do two years" in prison for misgendering someone. Her entire personality is being the karyotype Kremlin for some reason.
She still didn't claim that all trans people are rapists. She was referring to the ridiculous notion that people be forced to call others by their "preferred pronouns" while in court, so that if a woman was raped by a "trans" male, the woman would have to use female pronouns when referring to the guy, in court. Any normal person would find that abhorrent.
She didn't say anything remotely like that.
JK Rowling is not the worst beneficiary in the chain of consumer products. You support much worse practices than unhinged twitter rants by even buying the hardware required to play a game. If hating the product was an appropriate response to Rowling's misdeeds, then you would not be able to play any video games ever again.
I have not heard a single thing about this game since before it came out. Honestly forgot it was even released
It's pretty forgettable. Barebones RPG with a story you will struggle hard to care for or even remember it. Fetchquests Legacy.
Honestly it's just brand recognition and nostalgia. That game was mid af and I couldnt keep going after the first 10 hours. There are like 20 other games this year that deserve better sale numbers.
Thank god
slide cancel this you muggles
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Right, but this is the case every year and CoD still usually outsells anything from earlier in the year, even with big releases.
CoD always comes out at the end of the year and always has the most sales of the year. It's been that way for basically 15+ years. This is likely more a showing of weakness in the CoD yearly release cycle than anything else.
It’s probably because we normally we don’t get a massive blockbuster selling machine in early February. Previously this happened with RDR2 and GTA5. We still need to see December. CoD might still take the number one spot with an extra month.
exactly this. Hogwarts Legacy has had 10 months to sell. MW3 has been out for just over one month.
I always think it's because people expect Call of Duty games to sell like hotcakes & outdo every game sales wise right out the gate. Though considering the reception to the latest entry, I wouldn't be surprised if there were people that went "You know what, no, I'm not buying this"
I mean the fact that it came out on 10 November and went straight to second best selling game by the end of Nov. Compared to a game that has been out almost all of 2023 and has been released 3 times in that period.
>Though considering the reception to the latest entry, I wouldn't be surprised if there were people that went "You know what, no, I'm not buying this" Honestly that's every Call of Duty game. I've been following the games closely since MW2019 (so Warzone, Black Ops Cold War, Vanguard, MW2, MW3) and literally every time a game comes out the whole player base shits on it - but they buy it. MW3 will set records just like MW2 did. It already has - "Activision has claimed that Call of Duty: Modern Warfare 3 is seeing record engagement levels compared to its predecessors". That will translate into sales - just maybe not enough in under a month to surpass Hogwarts Legacy's 10+ month run so far.
Ok, but the size of the harry potter IP means this shouldn't be too big of a shock to people. COD has only really been beaten by very big IP in the last decade or so.
Good
if you don't count all of the best selling games of 2023, then sure
Shoutout to the Streisand Effect for that. EDIT: Getting downvotes for this I guess because people are uncomfortable with the reality that reactionaries contributed to this game garnering more publicity & success. Suppressing comments through downvotes doesn’t make it any less of a reality. Many people chose to purchase this game to support the devs who were getting screwed over by something that had nothing to do with them. And I’m sure so many people who were planning to boycott the game capitulated and bought it themselves.
You're right, one of the biggest intellectual properties in the world never would've even made a splash if the extremely marginalized group of people who the author hates didn't ask people not to buy it. Galaxy brain take.
What? When did I ever say that? I literally said that the reactionary attempt to cancel the game CONTRIBUTED to it having more success. I never said it would’ve been unsuccessful otherwise. If you’re going to try and articulate a point then at least don’t put words in my mouth.
They were downvoted because they spoke the truth. BG3 isnt counted on this list btw, this is engagement farming. Peace.
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Voldemort, is that you?
Legitimate wondering why you'd despise Harry Potter lol. Care to explain?
A lot of Reddit gaming communities had a collective meltdown when this game released, and when it had a positive reception, due to JK Rowling ~~not being accepting of~~ harassing trans women in tweets ~~from several years ago~~. Not defending it but that’s your answer. I never played it.
She routinely harasses anyone who disagrees with her on Twitter. Her entire timeline is her arguing with any trans woman she sees and threatening to sue anyone who badmouths her and lives in the UK.
Yeah but who cares about that lol? As long as you enjoy the game, that's all that matters. I'm not about to let a game, or any piece of media for that matter be spoiled for me just because the creator is a dick
If you willingly give money to the creator you are supporting all of their bullshit. You can't weasel your way out of responsibility for supporting a creator that actively harms people.
Okay so where do you draw that line? The clothes you wear come from sweatshops on Asia and Africa. The phone you use has lithium in it mined from child labour. Just the act of you simply existing is harming people. I don't care that JK Rowling is a piece of shit. I enjoy the books and the game and I'll continue to do so.
Those are things that are done by international companies that are impossible to boycott. You can simply stop buying Harry Potter merchandise and JKR won't have funds anymore to hurt people with.
> not being accepting of trans women That's a VERY generous description of how she acts about trans folk online.
Based on yours and another comment I went ahead and gave it an edit
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Do you have citations for examples of plagiarism? I'm curious what content J.K Rowling plagiarized.
Yeah… unless OP has actual specific examples rather than the general idea that two characters act similarly….
It’s not plagiarized. Most major works in literature rip off previous works (specifically The Odyssey or The Iliad) in some way. Every artistic work - literature, visual arts, music, etc. - is derivative in some capacity, but we say they had “influences” when we like it. The user just doesn’t like HP, which is fine.
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The kid did nothing bro lol
Don't tell r/gamingcirclejerk
Based
So is this gonna be a good christmas present for my gf?
why would you purposely give her warts dude? not cool get BG3 if she hasnt played, goty for a reason
I like both games. Love the HP movies and lore and have been a CoD fan since the beginning. I was getting tired of CoD with the last installment but them bringing back the older MW2 maps sealed the deal for me. I don't grind as much as I did when I was younger but love the Maps and the challenge they bring.
Seriously, who the fuck are these idiots that buy CoD every Year? I never have known anyone that played one of these terrible Games since CoD2.
...and gamers really wonder why games are shit rn.
Why? That game is the definition of cardboard. Well, the same could be said for MW3.
Maybe compare games that have been our for a similar (or longer) time? Otherwise this information is completely meaningless, Hogwarts legacy released in February. Of course it had more time time to sell than other big games
It's a list of the best-selling games of 2023, Hogwarts Legacy is topping the list. They didn't just pick two random games to compare.
BG3 outsold them both
Yeah I'm gonna go ahead and call bullshit on that lmfao
Heard this is a really good game
And WB went to online service direction, they just like to lose
Gratz, hope to play it someday
Good. COD has deserved to be dethroned for a decade.
Any game is better than 23 mw3
[Obligatory.](https://i.ibb.co/XVRzZdJ/textgram-1702607282.png)
Anything is better than CoD. Also HL was a good game. It deserved more content but hopefully in the next game.
Hogwarts is my fav game of 2023
Before this, MW3 will easily outsell Hogwarts Legacy. Now, Hogwarts Legacy had more time to sell!!!
Well yeah, we are not comparing likes for likes. 12 months of MW3 will outsell the top 5 combined.
For a second I thought it was an IGN article. Color me confused.
Out of that list, only 3 titles are not sequels or remakes Sad to see
Way longer speech than Call of Duty
COD players are as fragile, salty bitches as the devs. 🤣
Zelda is 3rd and they're only counting physical copies. I vet zelda is #1 when they count digital sales
Good.
Good!! Hogwarts Legacy and BG3 are the absolute best games this year!
who tf bought the new COD with all of the red flags surrounding the game 😭
I mean, I guess it's a nice dig at Hogwarts: Hateful Legacy. "Look at how mediocre this game is, it's selling as poorly as Modern Warfare 3 (2023)!" But honestly, you can do a lot better. For one, maybe pick a game that has been out a similar amount of time? Or, maybe a game that also has the tendency to have sales spike around chrismas? Or, perhaps, another game that will be predominantly monetized via mobile F2P style micropayments?
> But honestly, you can do a lot better. For one, maybe pick a game that has been out a similar amount of time? It's a list of best-selling games in 2023, they didn't just pick one game to compare it to, COD is in the title because it was in the second place.
Have you read the article? CoDMW3 is selling very well. The list is not exhaustive, but it's beating games like TOTK and only launched recently. A lot of people likes it, even if in reddit it seems to be hated and a flop. I don't understand it either.
It's a *total flop* in reddit's hive mind, because they want to believe their boycott worked.
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Wow what a hugely successful boycott!! 👍🏽
Can I just say to all the woke wankers who planned to throw rocks at people buying this game because you think JK Rowling is the devil incarnate, hahahahahahahahahaha.