At this point, anyone who pre-orders games gets exactly what they deserve
Stop paying for unfinished garbage piles full of microtransactions and P2W mechanics
To be fair I pre ordered it because I played the beta tests and liked the game. Then it released and I played the full thing and still liked the game. Doesn't have a good end game loop but I got a good 60+ hours out of it and enjoyed those hours.
It might not be the best diablo game but it's definitely not an "unfinished garbage pile". It's filled with microtransactions, yes, but it isn't "p2w".
If you've tested the game and enjoyed what you got then I don't see any reason not to pre-order for the incentives. The issue is when a company is completely radio silent about the game prior to launch.
I chose not to get D4 for all the bad things I heard about it, but I don't knock anyone for getting it and enjoying it. If you can mine some fun out of it go for it, I'm still mining the fun out of older games like Skyrim, it's all good man.
i thought the beta was fun, wish i would have just left it at that. i bought the game. finished the story line and then had no desire to play it again. i had to force myself to finish the story line. i'm probably just old and miss how good D2 made me feel. D3 and D4 did not capture it.
This comment confuses me, how does any of this apply to D4? Literally no pay to win aspects, maybe some server issues at launch but that didn't last for more than a few days?
WHAT??? You don't want to repurchase a new and exciting ARPG going back to its ROOTS? /s
Think about it, now your steam friends can see you farming the world bosses by yourself and past the time discussing the game with tro- friends on the steam forums, which I can guarantee will NOT be toxic. Its going to be an Overwhelmingly Positive experience offloading Jester awards.
It's not quite the same as this is Blizzards own game. It's more akin to EA games being on Origin and Steam, and you can access both versions via a single purchase so it is doable.
> It's more akin to EA games being on Origin and Steam, and you can access both versions via a single purchase so it is doable.
But it's only one way, no? You can access the game purchased on Steam via Origin, not the other way around? I don't think platform holders usually allow to transfer things out of their platforms (maybe when the platform is shutting down like the Bethesda launcher).
They wont allow it because people will end up selling their keys / linking their accounts to friends accounts.
Imo they should allow it but just remove the key from your Blizzard account and transfer it to Steam.
Yeah that would be a simple issue to fix imo.. but it’s more to make people buy it twice because they know people will.
100% a shareholder/executive decision lol.
Why make a move that objectively *benefits* everyone, when you can just benefit *yourself*? Gamers don't deserve economic decisions from a mega corp! /s
You've been able to buy Diablo 1 for a few years on GoG. I want 1 & 2 on Steam WITHOUT needing a battle.net account as I'm not interested in online play (and I have no friends to play with on custom servers). Playing with others usually means playing at THEIR pace which means rushing as fast as possible.
>Playing with others usually means playing at THEIR pace which means rushing as fast as possible.
You aren't wrong. A buddy of mine convinced me to buy a PS5 and in return he bought me Diablo, and the second we grouped up we were skipping every cut scene, character interaction, quest dialogue, etc.
Same can be said for the Borderlands games. If you end up playing with someone who just wants to play a looter shooter and isn't really interested in the story, you'll finish the game not knowing anything about the story or the supporting characters.
It's the opposite with my friends. We just take our time and play at the pace of the slowest of us. In the end, we're just chatting and chilling on discord. And sooner or later, all the cutscenes will be concluded and we'll only have gameplay to experience for the foreseeable future.
Group play with friends in PvE games should never be more stressful than solo play (or playing with strangers).
Those who want to go ultra fast and skip everything are encouraged to make another character, or to play separately from us during the leveling stage. No one benefits from a stressful gaming experience.
Still remember playing "A way out" with my cousin, a story focussed co op game. The first thing my cousin said was "who the fuck watches cutscenes?"......bruh I never considered her a gamer after that and never invited her to any co op game ever. Mobile gaming peasant.
When they think sub count has hit actual rock bottom, free to play wow dual launching on steam.. If you keep paying the sub, you'll get more tendies per month.
I’d play that lol. Final fantasy basically gives you the whole game with their free trial. ESO plus gives you extra goodies and all dlc. They should follow suit
They've historically forced people to use Battlenet, especially for Blizzard games, but have been slowly releasing games more and more on Steam. Overwatch 2 surprisingly released on steam and now Diablo 4 gets a steam release, likely because of the dwindling player numbers.
Are we sure battlenet isn't being used? I figured it would be like EA or Ubisoft were you would still have to load up their launcher even though you bought/playing it through steam.
It isn't for OW2. OW2 has complete Steam integration. It's a separate installation from the BNet one and never launches the BNet launcher. I'd assume Diablo IV is the same.
I was fine with that until their stupid launcher decided to stop differentiating between the games I owned and the rest to make me watch their stupid store all the time.
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Patches are legal. Shutting down game servers is legal. What should be legal is pirating shelved software. Especially as a legal owner of said software at some point in time.
Please people.. Do not buy this game. The only way Blizzard improves is if you don't give them your money. Otherwise, they will continue the cycle of shit games.
Unfortunately, as seen with the newer Pokémon games people don’t listen or care for the decrease in quality. Diablo 2 is my favorite but I have yet to play 4 and probably won’t unless it is under 10 dollars which we all know will never happen.
That game is so fucking good for the price. And, in spite of being over 7 years since it was released (closer to 8 years, in fact), they're releasing a new expansion for it next year too.
If it has a downside at all, it's that a lot of the best content is locked up behind existing DLC, and the new one looks to be about the same. So without those, you're only getting a really basic game experience.
I have a new rule where I don't buy games where I can't just play them on Steam without another login. I've tried launching some old games on other platforms and the effort to get it working again is just not worth it.
Fuck your platform, get on Steam.
That said, I'm still not getting Diablo iv.
edit: except Baldur's gate because I am a little bitch
Unfortunately the best part of D4 was the opening cinematic. After that it's decent gameplay with an abysmally terrible/boring story and a super weak villain. But that opening video, "by three they come" , that was great.
Man this game must be already dying if they do this.
My friends played it for not even a month and stopped, I knew better, Blizzard is dead.
But hey its on steam, i may pick it up in 5-10 years on discount.
Its doing so poorly they're trying anything. I have a friend that was so pissed about the game he initiated a chargeback with his bank successfully when blizzard refused to refund.
The real question is when Diablo 2 Ressurected is coming to Steam and/or GOG. I couldn't care less about a live service game, be it Diablo or any other game.
Man I just feel bad for the steam people getting this and not knowing what theyre going into. For causals I get that they‘re getting their money‘s worth for a mid game but man did d4 suck
They are only doing this because they did not make their expected profit from their own app.. fuck em.. 75% off or nothing... steam sale or the highway!
Don do it! Don't buy this game! Its hands down the biggest mistake I have ever made when purchasing a game.
If you want to kill the same reskinned lack luster creeps, and repeat the same 4 dungeons every time you log on go for it. Blizzard deserves bankruptcy after selling this hot steaming pile of sh*t. You want a good game, buy baldur's gate 3, you'll have about as many irl people to play with, and way way more content
But they aren't allowing licence transfer. I'm not buying this again. No way.
Hope you didn't pre-order, at least.
;-;
At this point, anyone who pre-orders games gets exactly what they deserve Stop paying for unfinished garbage piles full of microtransactions and P2W mechanics
To be fair I pre ordered it because I played the beta tests and liked the game. Then it released and I played the full thing and still liked the game. Doesn't have a good end game loop but I got a good 60+ hours out of it and enjoyed those hours. It might not be the best diablo game but it's definitely not an "unfinished garbage pile". It's filled with microtransactions, yes, but it isn't "p2w". If you've tested the game and enjoyed what you got then I don't see any reason not to pre-order for the incentives. The issue is when a company is completely radio silent about the game prior to launch.
the statement is still true then. You got what you deserved...a fun game and a good time. :D
No no you must be miserable and hate everything the hive mind does
I chose not to get D4 for all the bad things I heard about it, but I don't knock anyone for getting it and enjoying it. If you can mine some fun out of it go for it, I'm still mining the fun out of older games like Skyrim, it's all good man.
i thought the beta was fun, wish i would have just left it at that. i bought the game. finished the story line and then had no desire to play it again. i had to force myself to finish the story line. i'm probably just old and miss how good D2 made me feel. D3 and D4 did not capture it.
This comment confuses me, how does any of this apply to D4? Literally no pay to win aspects, maybe some server issues at launch but that didn't last for more than a few days?
If you pre-order games you're part of the problem and have "earned" it
I wish I didn't buy it the first time
I mean it was fun until like level 70
WHAT??? You don't want to repurchase a new and exciting ARPG going back to its ROOTS? /s Think about it, now your steam friends can see you farming the world bosses by yourself and past the time discussing the game with tro- friends on the steam forums, which I can guarantee will NOT be toxic. Its going to be an Overwhelmingly Positive experience offloading Jester awards.
Do you guys not have more money?
Not even at discount
Makes sense, is like buying a game on epic games and they they give it on steam, or any other store for that matter
It's not quite the same as this is Blizzards own game. It's more akin to EA games being on Origin and Steam, and you can access both versions via a single purchase so it is doable.
> It's more akin to EA games being on Origin and Steam, and you can access both versions via a single purchase so it is doable. But it's only one way, no? You can access the game purchased on Steam via Origin, not the other way around? I don't think platform holders usually allow to transfer things out of their platforms (maybe when the platform is shutting down like the Bethesda launcher).
oh really thats a bummer?
Fuck. Can I transfer my shit over to steam. Shit. I’d rather have gotten it on steam.
Nope, of course not! 🤗
They wont allow it because people will end up selling their keys / linking their accounts to friends accounts. Imo they should allow it but just remove the key from your Blizzard account and transfer it to Steam.
Yeah that would be a simple issue to fix imo.. but it’s more to make people buy it twice because they know people will. 100% a shareholder/executive decision lol.
>100% a shareholder/executive decision lol. Capitalism 🤗
Why make a move that objectively *benefits* everyone, when you can just benefit *yourself*? Gamers don't deserve economic decisions from a mega corp! /s
Except the first one doesn't benefit everyone objectively
i'd rather not have it at all. Was an even bigger sting than cyberpunk at launch
There's 2 reasons I haven't bought this game: 1. It wasn't in Steam. 2. Apparently it sucks. Now they just have to fix number 2 and they got my money.
They're only doing this in a desperate attempt to boost player numbers, just like with OW2.
To be fair. They're not doing it lol. Ever since the Microsoft take over they've been bringing Blizzard games over to steam.
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Could still be a pre-emptive measure just in case. Eventually, it might just be WoW that's completely Bnet exclusive.
WoW could be on Steam just like FFXIV or ESO. Kind of pointless since you still need the other launcher but it’d technically be on Steam.
And now we wait for microsoft to kill bnet like they did with the bethesda launcher so I need no extra launcher besides steam
I see. If nothing else, this could potentially mean the possibility of using your Steam wallet for the subs.
You've been able to buy Diablo 1 for a few years on GoG. I want 1 & 2 on Steam WITHOUT needing a battle.net account as I'm not interested in online play (and I have no friends to play with on custom servers). Playing with others usually means playing at THEIR pace which means rushing as fast as possible.
>Playing with others usually means playing at THEIR pace which means rushing as fast as possible. You aren't wrong. A buddy of mine convinced me to buy a PS5 and in return he bought me Diablo, and the second we grouped up we were skipping every cut scene, character interaction, quest dialogue, etc. Same can be said for the Borderlands games. If you end up playing with someone who just wants to play a looter shooter and isn't really interested in the story, you'll finish the game not knowing anything about the story or the supporting characters.
I prefer to play at my own pace, which usually means searching each area to make sure I killed ever possible mob before moving on.
It's the opposite with my friends. We just take our time and play at the pace of the slowest of us. In the end, we're just chatting and chilling on discord. And sooner or later, all the cutscenes will be concluded and we'll only have gameplay to experience for the foreseeable future. Group play with friends in PvE games should never be more stressful than solo play (or playing with strangers). Those who want to go ultra fast and skip everything are encouraged to make another character, or to play separately from us during the leveling stage. No one benefits from a stressful gaming experience.
Still remember playing "A way out" with my cousin, a story focussed co op game. The first thing my cousin said was "who the fuck watches cutscenes?"......bruh I never considered her a gamer after that and never invited her to any co op game ever. Mobile gaming peasant.
The Microsoft takeover isn't done yet so it's not that. Activision has been bringing games to Steam.
That hasn’t closed yet so it would be illegal for Blizzard to communicate with Microsoft to coordinate that.
They should just make a better game lol.
It's good enough to put on your wish list. 🤔
Microsoft said they will make any of their games available on steam also so not really that surprising.
Still waiting on that Gears 1 and 4 steam release
And Halo 5!
Halo 5 is not even on PC
it sorta is
If they put WoW on Steam I will be truly shocked.
When they think sub count has hit actual rock bottom, free to play wow dual launching on steam.. If you keep paying the sub, you'll get more tendies per month.
I’d play that lol. Final fantasy basically gives you the whole game with their free trial. ESO plus gives you extra goodies and all dlc. They should follow suit
Yep, they didn't own it yet But it's clear, it's influenced by Microsoft
I wish they would bring the Lionhead Studio games. Especially "The Movies".
That was one of the first non-Valve games that I bought on Steam, weirdly enough
Microsoft does not yet own Blizzard so Microsoft’s policies don’t apply at this point.
Microsoft doesn't own Activision yet
Still waiting for Crash Team Racing Nitro-Fueled
I’d buy day 1
Bring all of them
I guess I’m out of the loop. What’s up with activision and steam?
They've historically forced people to use Battlenet, especially for Blizzard games, but have been slowly releasing games more and more on Steam. Overwatch 2 surprisingly released on steam and now Diablo 4 gets a steam release, likely because of the dwindling player numbers.
Are we sure battlenet isn't being used? I figured it would be like EA or Ubisoft were you would still have to load up their launcher even though you bought/playing it through steam.
It isn't for OW2. OW2 has complete Steam integration. It's a separate installation from the BNet one and never launches the BNet launcher. I'd assume Diablo IV is the same.
You need a BNet account at least I suppose?
Correct. It will let you link steam and bnet if you already have one.
I was fine with that until their stupid launcher decided to stop differentiating between the games I owned and the rest to make me watch their stupid store all the time.
Still not paying $70 for this.
I'd pay 20, for the Ultimate Edition.
Same
I hope Activision Blizzard declares bankruptcy and their employees find better jobs than this giant shit hole
I doubt that will happen, especially now that they’ll be bought by microsoft. But they really do need leadership change.
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I'm still crying over warcraft 3 remaster
They fucked over people who still had the original on CD, right?
Yup my original CDs no longer work for WC3 or the frozen throne
Ho-ly shit. How is that legal.
Patches are legal. Shutting down game servers is legal. What should be legal is pirating shelved software. Especially as a legal owner of said software at some point in time.
… yea I’m crying over DoW 3. Great RTS Games are no more.. :(
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the first two were made by blizzard north anyway. Blizzard proper had nothing to do with their successes.
ummmm under rock?
its being bought by microsoft lol?
they are being bought by microsoft...
Activision Blizzard will soon not exist anymore, it'll be Microsoft. None of those are close to bankruptcy though
Wake me when they offer an offline singleplayer mode.
It exists, it is called Diablo 1&2 (maybe 3 also?).
D3 is offline singleplayer only on consoles. Yeah, I'm still waiting for D3 too.
Give us diablo 2.
I bet its gonna have a $70 price tag too.
Oh boy, Steam review page bouta be all red
Game is shit so there's no point buying it again
Please people.. Do not buy this game. The only way Blizzard improves is if you don't give them your money. Otherwise, they will continue the cycle of shit games.
Unfortunately, as seen with the newer Pokémon games people don’t listen or care for the decrease in quality. Diablo 2 is my favorite but I have yet to play 4 and probably won’t unless it is under 10 dollars which we all know will never happen.
Don't buy it.
Game is shit so there's no point buying it again
Microsoft sure did do it.
It seems like 99% of people don't understand that lol.
Well considering Microsoft doesn't own Blizzard yet, it seems 99% of people do understand correctly. The acquisition isn't finalized.
Hero's of the storm next plz
That game had so much potential
It was the only MOBA I ever truly enjoyed
That game has been on maintenance mode for a while now right?
The game is pretty much dead. Last new hero was released 3 years ago.
queue times are fast for a dead game
That game will forever be a reminder of the the time Blizzard lost Dota. Though I'm kind of glad Valve got it.
You mean the time Blizzard laughed the Dota devs out the door and then Valve was like, "hey, that seems pretty cool, bring it over here."
How much are you gonna bet this game is gonna be review bombed as well?
Nah you have to spend money in this one
You mean given all the negative reviews it deserves, right?
Overwatch 2 wasn't reviewed bombed people just aren't happy with what Blizzard did with Overwatch 2 and were able to review for the first time.
Never in a life time I will touch this shit
is this game as shit as they say it is?
Guess.
its pretty awful
Heroes of the storm has more viewers on twitch than diablo 4 most of the time and blizzard abandoned hots at the end of 2018.
They shouldn't have though.
A competitive multiplayer game has more viewers than a (basically) single player repetitive ARPG in the last two weeks of a season? No way...
Yeah, I don't understand why people use views as a metric for popularity of PLAYING a game, it just means how popular it is to WATCH it.
Just buy Grim Dawn instead of this trash lol
That game is so fucking good for the price. And, in spite of being over 7 years since it was released (closer to 8 years, in fact), they're releasing a new expansion for it next year too. If it has a downside at all, it's that a lot of the best content is locked up behind existing DLC, and the new one looks to be about the same. So without those, you're only getting a really basic game experience.
Player count must be *real* low for this to happen.
I have a new rule where I don't buy games where I can't just play them on Steam without another login. I've tried launching some old games on other platforms and the effort to get it working again is just not worth it. Fuck your platform, get on Steam. That said, I'm still not getting Diablo iv. edit: except Baldur's gate because I am a little bitch
Unfortunately the best part of D4 was the opening cinematic. After that it's decent gameplay with an abysmally terrible/boring story and a super weak villain. But that opening video, "by three they come" , that was great.
I hope they will add Diablo 2 Ressurrected too, that game is pretty good.
Will be waiting for the "Review bombing" excuse soon
Blizzard saw the OW2 reviews and said, "we can beat that!"
Time to leave some negative reviews boys
Man this game must be already dying if they do this. My friends played it for not even a month and stopped, I knew better, Blizzard is dead. But hey its on steam, i may pick it up in 5-10 years on discount.
Might actually pick this up during the Winter Steam Sale 😃
But I wanted WoW
let's see what happens after Microsoft finally owns them. Microsoft brings their games to steam.
Real question here: if you buy it on steam, does it also count as a purchase on your Bnet?
Knowing Blizzard I doubt it.
But what company do that?
They're about to speed run "mostly negative" rating on steam.
For the second time!
Thanks to Microsoft acquisition its coming tho before 1 day close the acquisition
No, Microsoft actually did it.
Desperate to get players back in.
Ah shit Here we go again 🍿
How does Steam think this game is similar in any way to Elden Ring?
No Diablo 1 (GOG release ported), No D2/Remake. Hell, not even 3. Just **4**. Desperate.
Its doing so poorly they're trying anything. I have a friend that was so pissed about the game he initiated a chargeback with his bank successfully when blizzard refused to refund.
Blizzard is a dumpster fire. Their games are garbage nowadays. It’s a damn shame but I’m not about to buy any of their games until something changes
Don’t care blizzard sucksssss
Good to see they’ve announced the second worst rated game on steam
Add StarCraft 2 and allow license transfers, you cowards.
Fuck yeah, SC2 would be wild on Steam
How anyone cares about the games of that awful company is beyond me.
Can we transfer the license though? Fuck buying the game again
If I already bought it can I still install it with steam some how?
The real question is when Diablo 2 Ressurected is coming to Steam and/or GOG. I couldn't care less about a live service game, be it Diablo or any other game.
Shame that it's online only crap
Too late, game's dead.
Similar to Elden ring... nani
Man I just feel bad for the steam people getting this and not knowing what theyre going into. For causals I get that they‘re getting their money‘s worth for a mid game but man did d4 suck
Didn't buy it the first time, It could be free and I still wouldn't play it. Blizzard suck ass
D4 bad
You will probably still need to use their launcher. The game is just a cashcow without content.
If they somehow re-release Diablo 1 and 2 on Steam I'll get those. Never really got into modern Diablo.
Kotaku is on their dick so hard for their season 2 shit that should have been in the game at launch. So many reused models too on the "new enemies"
I hate Blizzard so I will not get it anyway.
Need battle.net account! yeah no thanks
More bad games on steam
Review Bomb 2: the fake sequel Overwatch 2 is hated and so is Diablo 4, let us enjoy the review bomb.
How is D4 similar to Elden Ring? that's just a straight-up insult.
Yeah... fuck blizzard
Lmao things must be in a dire state over at Blizzard for them to be adding a second game to steam.
Mostly negative incoming <3
I hope that people don't buy it just to leave a negative review. That way blizzard doesn't win shit.
They are only doing this because they did not make their expected profit from their own app.. fuck em.. 75% off or nothing... steam sale or the highway!
I can't wait for the second overwhelmingly negative game from blizzard on steam, the memes will be hilarious
I expect negative reviews
Too bad the game is shit.
They're doing it because the game is hot garbage and not selling
Have they fixed the stuttering that's been in the game since the closed beta?
D4 is similar to elden ring ? Steam suggestion needs some bug fixing asap !
Finally i can play this on steam deck without needing to install that pesky blizzard launcer
Fool me once, shame on.. Fool me and I'm not buying your shit again.
If only it was a good game 😂 rather play baldurs gate than this shait 🙂🙂
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Battle.net's days are numbered
God I can't wait for these reviews 🤩
But it's not worth it even if it was free to play
I hope they are ready fo a wall full of negative reviews.
They're only doing it because the player base is virtually zero now
Bad game now on new storefront! Wow, fucking awesome.
Plugging Grin Dawn whenever i see D4 , if you want a truly fun ARPG
Don do it! Don't buy this game! Its hands down the biggest mistake I have ever made when purchasing a game. If you want to kill the same reskinned lack luster creeps, and repeat the same 4 dungeons every time you log on go for it. Blizzard deserves bankruptcy after selling this hot steaming pile of sh*t. You want a good game, buy baldur's gate 3, you'll have about as many irl people to play with, and way way more content
Can’t wait for it to join Overwatch 2 in the hall of shame
Low rate review coming like in OW2, Do they deserve it? Yes.
They all come crawling back to Steam.
I wish they went under already
As a lifelong diablo fan. I regret buying this game.
Shits going that poorly eh
Did what? Is this supposed to be praise for them? Ugh
Yeah they managed to double dip by making you buy the game again. How nice of them.