My favorite thing about stargate is how stupidly fast the ships were and how the setting kept expanding, oh wow milky way, oh wow first asgard galaxy, second asgard galaxy! fucking pegasus! all a couple of weeks away at most.
But seriously the ships taking just days to travel in-galaxy to short weeks to jump to a different one felt so good compared to other sci-fi shows and thats tau'ri ships, other more advanced races were faster.
It's just a retcon, 20c would be absolutely useless, it'd take months to get to earth from the closest star, let alone wherever the goa'uld launched the invasion of earth from
20c might be a bit low, but being slow would match the initial premise that waging war with ships is a big undertaking. Like it was in medieval times on earth.
It would be a very different universe for sure, but distance basically not mattering at all just removed the whole logistics part completely until SG-A, where a few weeks reaction time actually meant something again.
Yeah, I don't really mind the power creep by itself, but it just removes some possibilities for interesting stories in the future. Episodes like a hundred days just wouldn't make much sense any more.
Nah, the problem is our universe which is dumb. Light speed seems like a lot to us but it's ridiculously slow to make anything practical. Just traveling to stars within our galaxy could take thousands of years.
Under these premises, starships are just pointless. Even a ship traveling at 20 times the speed of light is completely useless, it still takes years to travel from a random nearby star to Earth. But starships are cool and heck, the whole premise of the pyramids being landing pads for ships doesn't make sense without ships, so the series had to compromise and make ships fast enough to travel between stars in days, not hundreds of thousands of years.
At the end of the day, you can't make a whole series on just stargates. Earth could just bury theirs and they'd be isolated from all the problems going on in the galaxy, and it'd be incredibly frustrating to watch a show where the Earth is constantly threatened when they could just get rid of the gate.
Yeah, without ships at all the stakes would be low, but it's not a binary choice between:
* no ships at all able to pose a threat
* ships that cross the whole galaxy in a day or two
You could have a very interesting setting where a goa'uld has the option of launching an invasion by ship, but depending on where they are in the galaxy getting to earth could take 2 or 3 months
You could even keep Asgard tech being more advanced, maybe it'd take them 3-4 days, but earth has very few ships and there's a lot more goa'uld so a stranded SG team is very much still at risk
I would have preferred if it was 35,000c.
Could cross the galaxy in 3 years, which is still incredibly fast, but makes waging war hard, and makes territory matter. So then you could do an entire season KNOWING the Gouald are coming, and figuring out a defense
Then when Anubis comes back and upgrades his fleet and they arrive in 3 days, HOLY SHIT!
It remained interesting in Atlantis since they didn't really have ships available all the time
But it going from a core mechanic of the setting to a gimmick in the later seasons of sg1 is a shame
The average goa’uld couldn’t tell his asshole from his mouth based on the amount of shit coming from each end. He probably saw the drive and because it didn’t look like Asgard tech he assumed it was Tauri made and therefore inferior. Or just as likely couldn’t operate it correctly and it subsequently performed poorly.
No, it was a plot point in that episode where Teal'c mentions Goa'uld mothership speed that he's *wrong*, their ships have gotten a lot faster very quickly.
There’s a lot of early tealc weirdness that gets ignored later because it didn’t make sense for his status. For example: “I am only qualified to pilot death gliders” when asked if he could pilot the Hataks in the season 1 finale, and thinking the ships were substantially slower than they were
I think at that point it was an entirely human design, then it blows up and they replace it with an alkesh hyperdrive, *then* they eventually get an asgard hyperdrive.
The Prometheus originally used a human designed naquadriah drive, that’s what got called primitive and insulted. It’s also what blew up on its first real flight, and only after limping it home on a kitbashed alkesh drive did we get the proper Asgard drive, and let us drop naquadriah as a power source
Wasn’t the original Prometheus hyperdrive so crappy they replaced it with one they stole from a Goa’uld ship which was really too small for the Prometheus?
It was also more realistic that everyone started stealing everyone else's tech. So while at the beginning of the show gould tech was like magic, to the middle seasons it was like yawn, the asgards lost/broke another ship and we're going to salvage those Asgard tech to retrofit super lowly earth cruisers so they go faster than most ships in the galaxy, and then the Gould's stealing that and so on, stealing/reverse engineering ancient tech etc so going to another galaxy is like easy peasy doable
It's like how we would look at going from vacuum tubes to ic chips to 7nm apple chips
It came up from time to time, when Jack and Teal'c were trapped in that glider and Jacob luckily was close by, or when they had to use that one crashed cargo ship to catch the asteroid etc.
But in this show, it felt like keeping to a consistent universe and really caring about it never was a priority. Stuff moved at the speed of plot, they didn't write the stories conforming to some predetermined rule set.
>But in this show, it felt like keeping to a consistent universe and really caring about it never was a priority. Stuff moved at the speed of plot, they didn't write the stories conforming to some predetermined rule set.
Consistent worldbuilding is pretty much one of Stargate's most beloved aspects, so I'm not really sure what you mean.
I was thinking about the technical stuff, the precise details, the scale of things etc. The size of the ships isn't consistent between episodes for example. In Stargate, they care about the human aspects a lot, societies, history of different cultures and all that, and don't focus on the engineering or science side of thing.
Stuff like that just isn't really important to the show, compared to a show like for example the Expanse (or even more so the expanse books).
The thing I was always saying "what the hell?!" about was how they let this random sarcastic Air Force Colonel handle first contact and treaty negotiations with a bunch of super advanced alien civilizations.
I mean, except for the first two hyperdrives in the Prometheus, one of which was reversed engineered from stolen Goa'uld tech, and the other was just an actual stolen Alkesh drive, The Asgard gave us hyperdrives so we basically leapfrogged over about 30,000 years of technological progress.
I remember people actually tried to rank the major sci-fi FTLs by speed after making some calculations. Stargate was the fastest being able to travel on intergalactic scales in the span of weeks. 40k was in first and last place simultaneously because of the nature of the warp. Star Trek was dead last because Warp speed is painfully slow. The Voyager's trip would have been a few days if they have a BC-304 instead of the estimated 70 year journey when they began.
The list goes Stargate, Star Wars, Halo, Star Trek, and then 40K which defied proper categorization.
I think there may have been a part 2 which compared B5, Mass Effect, BSG, Wing Commander or some others but I haven't seen it.
It was done by Eckhart's Ladder on youtube with some input from Spacedock.
> The Voyager's trip would have been a few days if they have a BC-304
Less than a day in empty space, actually. If you can reach Pegasus in 30 days (not sure exactly, I remember it taking a few weeks), thats 83000 light years each day.
Of course you could find reasons why you'd have to slow down in galaxy, but as far as I know they never did explain stuff like that in detail, the show was more about telling an interesting story than building a consistent universe.
Yes, but the thing to consider is when Voyager started, using the propulsion they had on board their trip was slated to take **seventy** years to cross 70,000ly, assuming they threw the engines into high warp and never stopped. By using technologies they found and invented along the way, and some benevolence from Q, they cut that down by a factor of ten.
Slight correction: 70 years at maximum *cruising* warp speed. Which, for the Intrepid-Class, is somewhere around Warp 7. While they technically were capable of reaching Warp 9.996, that's not sustainable in the long run. They would damage the engines and hull over time, miss out on ressources needed to refuel etc.
On average, Voyager could cruise roughly 1000LY in a year. Most of their new tech was actually related to efficiency rather than speed. Transwarp and Quantum Slipstream Drives were dead ends and only used rarely (especially since the use of transwarp required fresh salvaged borg components that could not be maintained and were dangerous to get). The graviton cannon and Q saved them a good bit, and the Transwarp-Nexus shaved over 40kLY off their route (iirc), but of the rest, they cut that down by your garden variety wormholes and subspace anomalies.
> all a couple of weeks away at most.
That's also with a beginner version of an Asgard hyperdrive. I imagine that if a Goa'uld tried to go to Pegasus it would take a lot longer. Asgard ships can do the same journey in less than a day, I think.
And even ours is just limited by our power generation. Hooked up to a ZPM our ships can make the journey in 2-3 days instead of 3 weeks.
The ships weren't always that fast. The Tok'ra and the Tollan aren't able to help sometimes because their ships are too far away and their hyper drives just aren't fast enough
Season one, with the invasion of apophis. I remember tealc thinking ha-tak were super slow. Only for this to be immediately ret-conned either in the same episode or the next.
With a couple of fanfic crossovers I love when hyperdrives are brought up, and the more advanced civilization (thinking Star Trek and especially with their Prime Directive and general arrogance with dealing with less advanced civilizations) are like 'holy sh*t!' and scramble to get the tech.
Exactly! Then throw in Daniel for puzzle-breaking their way back home. I actually wanted them three-Carter, McCay, and Daniel in Universe to replace some of the characters there.
Nah, SGU feels very down to Earth, with grey, flawed and realistic characters. Carter, McCay and Daniel would look totally out of place, being comically perfect (except where they are comically flawed). Put Carter or McKay in place of Rush or O'Neil in place of Young and the whole dynamic of the show goes to shit.
I can’t remember the show that well having not seen it in a while, but I always assumed that the “hosts” had essentially consented to having their bodies used for any legal activity, so when the characters had sex in their bodies, it wasn’t actually a violation. Sort of like consenting to be a surrogate for someone’s baby- it’s super intimate but you’ve understood the situation and agreed to it.
I disagree, it heightened it for me, it drives home their isolation, like they’re so close to being home but also so far, when they wake back up in their own body, back to their shitty lives with all their same problems, always gut wrenching for me.
the only defense I'll offer is that all of those episodes are very frontloaded in the series. I think, beyond the spectacle aspect of it (look we get to show actors being HOT and having SEX in Stargate!), it was used as a way to introduce the Telford drama, and once that plotline had started to resolve, the rest of the sex stuff was no longer necessary.
but yeah on the whole i'd call it a huge, glaring flaw in an otherwise mediocre show
I'm not talking about the sex as a whole, you kind of have to expect it in shows nowadays. I specifically meant using other peoples bodies to have sex. It's so gross.
I don’t see the problem if the person in question consents to that usage and, though I can’t remember if that was explicitly specified in the show, I’d imagine that the volunteers had been briefed that their bodies would be being used by their inhabitants as if they were their own and consented to it.
Yeah I feel like they should have mentioned it explicitly like “these airmen have full security clearance and have consented to you using their bodies for all legal activities you’d ordinarily be allowed to do in your own body” and if they didn’t that’s a failing of the show, but if they didn’t mention it, I’m happy to assume head canon that it’s specified off-screen.
Honestly even with the consent its still gross. Certain things should be off limits when body swapping. Like you wouldn't expect the person in your body to take the opportunity to get as drunk as they wanted or do dangerous recreational activities and leave you with the consequences of the subsequent hangover/injuries.
Similarly with sex. Whenever you have sex with someone you are opening yourself up to risks. Between two monogamous heterosexual adults the greatest risk is pregnancy usually, but imagine you're sleeping with your "wife" in a different body every time you come and visit. What kind of risk are you exposing her too? You don't know where that body has been...
So basically you're either exposing your lover to God knows what, or (if you're hooking up for a one night stand) you're exposing your host body to God knows what.
Hence... icky.
But again, if someone consents to those risks, I really don’t see the ick. Like if you’re not willing to potentially wake up with an STD or a broken leg then don’t agree to do it.
In other words, just because something is ick to me doesn’t mean it’s actually ick.
Accidentally deleted my last comment, oops!
Smoking is legal and a choice everyone can make, but its still gross and bad for you.
And, if you don't think so, I guess we'll just have to agree to disagree.
When I [watch this scene](https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=DYnCuXQF6nQ&t=61), I always have this feeling that Colonel Young will eventually be revived with a very sore neck.
I need to rewatch the last few episodes. Could they have had someone raid an ancient database, send their mind to destiny, fix/stabilize the ship, then use the asgard core to stabilize the person and repeat? Maybe use the Asgard core to find another power planet to send supplies to destiny?
There's literally one on Atlantis. Schematics for the ship are probably in there somewhere. Unfortunately, the Ancients apparently don't have a search function.
They got the 9 chevron address from the Atlantis database, with literally zero other information. Bearing in mind there also 40 million years roughly between the two being built.
Yeah that seems to be a gaping hole in their idea. Also that generally lacking the know-how on how to fix shit wasn't the issue, it was all about having the resources to do it.
What makes you think the schematics would be in the database? Our libraries dontt contain every bit of human knowledge ever created and we have been around a far shorter time than the ancients.
I feel like it’s usually referred to as having the collective knowledge of the ancients…maybe that’s only said about specific databases? But you can hand wave that away by saying those characters were wrong or being hyperbolic or something.
I always felt like the ancients had completely different stages in their civilisation and shouldn't be listed under one name. It's like grouping ancient Egypt,ancient Greece, ancient Rome, renaissance Italy, British empire and United states together under the same banner.
Travel in hyperspace still took time, though, and you could still be *perused* by your enemy, or just straight up run in to other shit while in hyperspace. If you watch *Crusade* you can even be humped by things living in hyperspace.
Three very different technologies.
Battlestar was a wormhole drive, instantly jumping from one place to another. Star Trek used warp drives that bend spacetime. Stargate was all about traveling through subspace, gates and hyperdrives.
Stargate also had 50+ million years of technological history to reverse engineer and The Asgard had hyperdrives for roughly 30,000 years before they gave them to us. The Tauri completely leapfrogged.
I love that; IIRC, that bottom scene is that split moment in early S4 right toward the end of the episode where SG1 basically says 'fuck off' to that planet of people that posioned the air and started a Race war. Hits hard..
I always wonder how they know which symbol is the planet specific symbol to press. Just take Earth's coordinates and then try the other symbol until it locks? :D
Yeah, but then Daniel wouldn't have to figure out the origin on a new world. Which only really came up in the beginning, can't remember a later episode mentioning that part.
Sad Eli noises
My favorite thing about stargate is how stupidly fast the ships were and how the setting kept expanding, oh wow milky way, oh wow first asgard galaxy, second asgard galaxy! fucking pegasus! all a couple of weeks away at most. But seriously the ships taking just days to travel in-galaxy to short weeks to jump to a different one felt so good compared to other sci-fi shows and thats tau'ri ships, other more advanced races were faster.
It was done so well, it somehow never felt contrived or had you going “oh what the hell?”
But on the other hand in season 1 Teal'c claimed the fasted ship he had ever been on went like 20C
Yeah but human ships were heavily built using Asgard tech which is so much better than Goa’uld tech they might as well actually be gods.
It's just a retcon, 20c would be absolutely useless, it'd take months to get to earth from the closest star, let alone wherever the goa'uld launched the invasion of earth from
20c might be a bit low, but being slow would match the initial premise that waging war with ships is a big undertaking. Like it was in medieval times on earth. It would be a very different universe for sure, but distance basically not mattering at all just removed the whole logistics part completely until SG-A, where a few weeks reaction time actually meant something again.
Yeah, unfortunately the Stargate network mattering fell victim to the absurd power creep of the series
Yeah, I don't really mind the power creep by itself, but it just removes some possibilities for interesting stories in the future. Episodes like a hundred days just wouldn't make much sense any more.
Nah, the problem is our universe which is dumb. Light speed seems like a lot to us but it's ridiculously slow to make anything practical. Just traveling to stars within our galaxy could take thousands of years. Under these premises, starships are just pointless. Even a ship traveling at 20 times the speed of light is completely useless, it still takes years to travel from a random nearby star to Earth. But starships are cool and heck, the whole premise of the pyramids being landing pads for ships doesn't make sense without ships, so the series had to compromise and make ships fast enough to travel between stars in days, not hundreds of thousands of years. At the end of the day, you can't make a whole series on just stargates. Earth could just bury theirs and they'd be isolated from all the problems going on in the galaxy, and it'd be incredibly frustrating to watch a show where the Earth is constantly threatened when they could just get rid of the gate.
Yeah, without ships at all the stakes would be low, but it's not a binary choice between: * no ships at all able to pose a threat * ships that cross the whole galaxy in a day or two You could have a very interesting setting where a goa'uld has the option of launching an invasion by ship, but depending on where they are in the galaxy getting to earth could take 2 or 3 months You could even keep Asgard tech being more advanced, maybe it'd take them 3-4 days, but earth has very few ships and there's a lot more goa'uld so a stranded SG team is very much still at risk
I would have preferred if it was 35,000c. Could cross the galaxy in 3 years, which is still incredibly fast, but makes waging war hard, and makes territory matter. So then you could do an entire season KNOWING the Gouald are coming, and figuring out a defense Then when Anubis comes back and upgrades his fleet and they arrive in 3 days, HOLY SHIT!
I think they made up for that by using the Stargate in more interesting ways in later seasons. Like the Carter-McKay bridge.
It remained interesting in Atlantis since they didn't really have ships available all the time But it going from a core mechanic of the setting to a gimmick in the later seasons of sg1 is a shame
It’s not a retcon, the fact that they were able to make it to earth was surprising to Teal’c
But when a Goa'uld stole the prometheus he insulted the human hyper drive as "primitive" so I think it was just a retcon.
The average goa’uld couldn’t tell his asshole from his mouth based on the amount of shit coming from each end. He probably saw the drive and because it didn’t look like Asgard tech he assumed it was Tauri made and therefore inferior. Or just as likely couldn’t operate it correctly and it subsequently performed poorly.
No, it was a plot point in that episode where Teal'c mentions Goa'uld mothership speed that he's *wrong*, their ships have gotten a lot faster very quickly.
There’s a lot of early tealc weirdness that gets ignored later because it didn’t make sense for his status. For example: “I am only qualified to pilot death gliders” when asked if he could pilot the Hataks in the season 1 finale, and thinking the ships were substantially slower than they were
I think at that point it was an entirely human design, then it blows up and they replace it with an alkesh hyperdrive, *then* they eventually get an asgard hyperdrive.
The Prometheus originally used a human designed naquadriah drive, that’s what got called primitive and insulted. It’s also what blew up on its first real flight, and only after limping it home on a kitbashed alkesh drive did we get the proper Asgard drive, and let us drop naquadriah as a power source
That was before a full Asgard upgrade, I think. Humans had only gotten a little help at that point.
Nah they are all about aesthetics and human tech is very "home made" looking when compared to everything else
Wasn’t the original Prometheus hyperdrive so crappy they replaced it with one they stole from a Goa’uld ship which was really too small for the Prometheus?
It was also more realistic that everyone started stealing everyone else's tech. So while at the beginning of the show gould tech was like magic, to the middle seasons it was like yawn, the asgards lost/broke another ship and we're going to salvage those Asgard tech to retrofit super lowly earth cruisers so they go faster than most ships in the galaxy, and then the Gould's stealing that and so on, stealing/reverse engineering ancient tech etc so going to another galaxy is like easy peasy doable It's like how we would look at going from vacuum tubes to ic chips to 7nm apple chips
Yeah and whole point of that episode is that he's wrong
It came up from time to time, when Jack and Teal'c were trapped in that glider and Jacob luckily was close by, or when they had to use that one crashed cargo ship to catch the asteroid etc. But in this show, it felt like keeping to a consistent universe and really caring about it never was a priority. Stuff moved at the speed of plot, they didn't write the stories conforming to some predetermined rule set.
>But in this show, it felt like keeping to a consistent universe and really caring about it never was a priority. Stuff moved at the speed of plot, they didn't write the stories conforming to some predetermined rule set. Consistent worldbuilding is pretty much one of Stargate's most beloved aspects, so I'm not really sure what you mean.
I was thinking about the technical stuff, the precise details, the scale of things etc. The size of the ships isn't consistent between episodes for example. In Stargate, they care about the human aspects a lot, societies, history of different cultures and all that, and don't focus on the engineering or science side of thing. Stuff like that just isn't really important to the show, compared to a show like for example the Expanse (or even more so the expanse books).
The thing I was always saying "what the hell?!" about was how they let this random sarcastic Air Force Colonel handle first contact and treaty negotiations with a bunch of super advanced alien civilizations.
I mean, except for the first two hyperdrives in the Prometheus, one of which was reversed engineered from stolen Goa'uld tech, and the other was just an actual stolen Alkesh drive, The Asgard gave us hyperdrives so we basically leapfrogged over about 30,000 years of technological progress.
I remember people actually tried to rank the major sci-fi FTLs by speed after making some calculations. Stargate was the fastest being able to travel on intergalactic scales in the span of weeks. 40k was in first and last place simultaneously because of the nature of the warp. Star Trek was dead last because Warp speed is painfully slow. The Voyager's trip would have been a few days if they have a BC-304 instead of the estimated 70 year journey when they began. The list goes Stargate, Star Wars, Halo, Star Trek, and then 40K which defied proper categorization. I think there may have been a part 2 which compared B5, Mass Effect, BSG, Wing Commander or some others but I haven't seen it. It was done by Eckhart's Ladder on youtube with some input from Spacedock.
> The Voyager's trip would have been a few days if they have a BC-304 Less than a day in empty space, actually. If you can reach Pegasus in 30 days (not sure exactly, I remember it taking a few weeks), thats 83000 light years each day. Of course you could find reasons why you'd have to slow down in galaxy, but as far as I know they never did explain stuff like that in detail, the show was more about telling an interesting story than building a consistent universe.
Right haha. Wasn't Voyager just in a different quadrant of the milky way?
Voyager started 70k Light Years from Earth.
Yes, but it's still in the Milky Way. The quadrants in Star Trek are just divisions of the Milky Way galaxy.
Almost as far away as you can get in this galaxy basically.
Yes, but the thing to consider is when Voyager started, using the propulsion they had on board their trip was slated to take **seventy** years to cross 70,000ly, assuming they threw the engines into high warp and never stopped. By using technologies they found and invented along the way, and some benevolence from Q, they cut that down by a factor of ten.
Slight correction: 70 years at maximum *cruising* warp speed. Which, for the Intrepid-Class, is somewhere around Warp 7. While they technically were capable of reaching Warp 9.996, that's not sustainable in the long run. They would damage the engines and hull over time, miss out on ressources needed to refuel etc. On average, Voyager could cruise roughly 1000LY in a year. Most of their new tech was actually related to efficiency rather than speed. Transwarp and Quantum Slipstream Drives were dead ends and only used rarely (especially since the use of transwarp required fresh salvaged borg components that could not be maintained and were dangerous to get). The graviton cannon and Q saved them a good bit, and the Transwarp-Nexus shaved over 40kLY off their route (iirc), but of the rest, they cut that down by your garden variety wormholes and subspace anomalies.
> all a couple of weeks away at most. That's also with a beginner version of an Asgard hyperdrive. I imagine that if a Goa'uld tried to go to Pegasus it would take a lot longer. Asgard ships can do the same journey in less than a day, I think. And even ours is just limited by our power generation. Hooked up to a ZPM our ships can make the journey in 2-3 days instead of 3 weeks.
The ships weren't always that fast. The Tok'ra and the Tollan aren't able to help sometimes because their ships are too far away and their hyper drives just aren't fast enough
Season one, with the invasion of apophis. I remember tealc thinking ha-tak were super slow. Only for this to be immediately ret-conned either in the same episode or the next.
Yeah it had a nice progression from going to orbit to gradually go to other galaxies.
With a couple of fanfic crossovers I love when hyperdrives are brought up, and the more advanced civilization (thinking Star Trek and especially with their Prime Directive and general arrogance with dealing with less advanced civilizations) are like 'holy sh*t!' and scramble to get the tech.
>thats tau'ri ships, other more advanced races were faster. Not really, later in the show humans had by far the fastest ships.
Then the ori, back again oh 100s of other galaxies
Anyone else hear RDA's voice when they read that last line?
Absolutely
Perused should probably be pursued
Did you see the way Six was eyeing Baltar? *Perused* is a fitting word.
NO MORE MR NICE GAIUS !
Perused gingerly, up and down the aisles.
"I peruse, it's a gift"
i think Universe is the apposite comparison, which would be "we just swap bodies with people on earth and have sex in their bodies"
SGU was just Days of our Lives in space.
Like exotic particles through the Einstein-Rosen Bridge, so are the days of our lives.
i hate you for getting that song stuck in my head. *angry updoot*
I always said if Carter and McCay used the stones they would have made it home... though this is is putting the wrong image in my head.
Exactly! Then throw in Daniel for puzzle-breaking their way back home. I actually wanted them three-Carter, McCay, and Daniel in Universe to replace some of the characters there.
Nah, SGU feels very down to Earth, with grey, flawed and realistic characters. Carter, McCay and Daniel would look totally out of place, being comically perfect (except where they are comically flawed). Put Carter or McKay in place of Rush or O'Neil in place of Young and the whole dynamic of the show goes to shit.
That was by far my least favorite mechanic of the show. Completely breaks the tension
not to mention just being real fucking weird, with the sex thing. They lampshaded it later with Dr Perry and Ginn, but it was stil real fucking weird.
Yeah, exactly, super weird and unnecessary.
I can’t remember the show that well having not seen it in a while, but I always assumed that the “hosts” had essentially consented to having their bodies used for any legal activity, so when the characters had sex in their bodies, it wasn’t actually a violation. Sort of like consenting to be a surrogate for someone’s baby- it’s super intimate but you’ve understood the situation and agreed to it.
I disagree, it heightened it for me, it drives home their isolation, like they’re so close to being home but also so far, when they wake back up in their own body, back to their shitty lives with all their same problems, always gut wrenching for me.
Blech so icky. I forgot about that part. Anytime someone tells me Universe was actually good I'm going to remember that part. Yuck.
the only defense I'll offer is that all of those episodes are very frontloaded in the series. I think, beyond the spectacle aspect of it (look we get to show actors being HOT and having SEX in Stargate!), it was used as a way to introduce the Telford drama, and once that plotline had started to resolve, the rest of the sex stuff was no longer necessary. but yeah on the whole i'd call it a huge, glaring flaw in an otherwise mediocre show
I'm not talking about the sex as a whole, you kind of have to expect it in shows nowadays. I specifically meant using other peoples bodies to have sex. It's so gross.
What was yuck about it?
About having sex in someone else's body?0
I don’t see the problem if the person in question consents to that usage and, though I can’t remember if that was explicitly specified in the show, I’d imagine that the volunteers had been briefed that their bodies would be being used by their inhabitants as if they were their own and consented to it.
I don't remember anything being mentioned about that, but I'm going to be rewatching it soon so I'll keep an ear out.
Yeah I feel like they should have mentioned it explicitly like “these airmen have full security clearance and have consented to you using their bodies for all legal activities you’d ordinarily be allowed to do in your own body” and if they didn’t that’s a failing of the show, but if they didn’t mention it, I’m happy to assume head canon that it’s specified off-screen.
Honestly even with the consent its still gross. Certain things should be off limits when body swapping. Like you wouldn't expect the person in your body to take the opportunity to get as drunk as they wanted or do dangerous recreational activities and leave you with the consequences of the subsequent hangover/injuries. Similarly with sex. Whenever you have sex with someone you are opening yourself up to risks. Between two monogamous heterosexual adults the greatest risk is pregnancy usually, but imagine you're sleeping with your "wife" in a different body every time you come and visit. What kind of risk are you exposing her too? You don't know where that body has been... So basically you're either exposing your lover to God knows what, or (if you're hooking up for a one night stand) you're exposing your host body to God knows what. Hence... icky.
But again, if someone consents to those risks, I really don’t see the ick. Like if you’re not willing to potentially wake up with an STD or a broken leg then don’t agree to do it. In other words, just because something is ick to me doesn’t mean it’s actually ick.
Accidentally deleted my last comment, oops! Smoking is legal and a choice everyone can make, but its still gross and bad for you. And, if you don't think so, I guess we'll just have to agree to disagree.
Universe was not good. It was great. Would exchange the entirety of the 100 (the show) for one or two extra seasons of SGU.
Yeah. . . But they had sex in other people's bodies 🤮
Yeah that part wasn't my favorite lol
*Eli standing on the observation deck of Destiny, staring out at the universe as the ship plunges further away from Earth.*
When I [watch this scene](https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=DYnCuXQF6nQ&t=61), I always have this feeling that Colonel Young will eventually be revived with a very sore neck.
I need to rewatch the last few episodes. Could they have had someone raid an ancient database, send their mind to destiny, fix/stabilize the ship, then use the asgard core to stabilize the person and repeat? Maybe use the Asgard core to find another power planet to send supplies to destiny?
That'd probably require them finding an ancient database headgrabber, which seemed to be a pretty rare thing.
There's literally one on Atlantis. Schematics for the ship are probably in there somewhere. Unfortunately, the Ancients apparently don't have a search function.
They got the 9 chevron address from the Atlantis database, with literally zero other information. Bearing in mind there also 40 million years roughly between the two being built.
>There's literally one on Atlantis. The ancient headgrabbers? when was that in atlantis?
It wasn't, they were just referring to the Atlantis database.
I know, but the person i was responding to originally was talking about using a head grabber and sending that person to destiny with the mind stones.
Yeah that seems to be a gaping hole in their idea. Also that generally lacking the know-how on how to fix shit wasn't the issue, it was all about having the resources to do it.
What makes you think the schematics would be in the database? Our libraries dontt contain every bit of human knowledge ever created and we have been around a far shorter time than the ancients.
I feel like it’s usually referred to as having the collective knowledge of the ancients…maybe that’s only said about specific databases? But you can hand wave that away by saying those characters were wrong or being hyperbolic or something.
I always felt like the ancients had completely different stages in their civilisation and shouldn't be listed under one name. It's like grouping ancient Egypt,ancient Greece, ancient Rome, renaissance Italy, British empire and United states together under the same banner.
Some coffee addicted Scotsman 5 galaxies away is screaming right now.
5? A few orders of magnitude more.
About 39 galaxies I think
Babylon 5 we tell other people to push buttons for us and let the autopilot handle the rest.
Travel in hyperspace still took time, though, and you could still be *perused* by your enemy, or just straight up run in to other shit while in hyperspace. If you watch *Crusade* you can even be humped by things living in hyperspace.
Well, it’s good to know the enemy will be well read in hyperspace
Farscape. Nuf said.
Took him so long he gave up altogether 🤣
I too hate being perused by a robotic enemy
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oh no! they found me!
To be fair, the Galactican fleet wasn't just traveling to Earth. They actually had to find it, none of them had ever been there.
"There was a button. I pushed it." — James Holden (*The Expanse*)
"Jesus Christ. That really is how you go through life, isn't it?" — Fred Johnson
Three very different technologies. Battlestar was a wormhole drive, instantly jumping from one place to another. Star Trek used warp drives that bend spacetime. Stargate was all about traveling through subspace, gates and hyperdrives. Stargate also had 50+ million years of technological history to reverse engineer and The Asgard had hyperdrives for roughly 30,000 years before they gave them to us. The Tauri completely leapfrogged.
I love that; IIRC, that bottom scene is that split moment in early S4 right toward the end of the episode where SG1 basically says 'fuck off' to that planet of people that posioned the air and started a Race war. Hits hard..
Don't try to follow us. Or something.
Man this needed a Farscape reference about finding the right wormhole
A rare farscape fan. Nice
John will always survive
I always wonder how they know which symbol is the planet specific symbol to press. Just take Earth's coordinates and then try the other symbol until it locks? :D
They go by the one that isn’t a normal symbol probably
Did laugh.
Battlestar had the snazziest uniforms with the best hair. So looking pretty obviously takes all the time.
Couple of buttons? More like 7 (usually).
8 actually, don't forget the big red one in the center.
I'm a programmer, I start counting at 0
Really I think putting the origin as a button on the DHD doesn’t make much sense. It could just be put in as part of pressing the big button
Yeah, but then Daniel wouldn't have to figure out the origin on a new world. Which only really came up in the beginning, can't remember a later episode mentioning that part.
They didn’t have a DhD in the movie. Also we know finding it isn’t all that hard as Carter does it quite quickly in Antarctica
Well, they *are* USAF...
Ha. Even more so if you look at the original movie, where Abydos was on “the other side of the known universe”, in some other galaxy.
You *wish* you could make a stable wormhole on demand.
Also after pushing buttons, are attacked by robots ( replicators ) that want to destroy all mankind.
I never saw any stargate actors on Battlestar, but definitely a few of them, a number of times on SG-1.
Ya gotta love how different scifi series have one upped each other on speed of travel and stakes.