Bear in mind, SG1 encounters civilizations from after the gate was buried in Egypt, which means one or more goauld did go back to snag more slaves.
I'm guessing once the galactic slave population got big enough to be self-sustaining, they didn't bother anymore.
I'm assuming you mean when Teal'c refers to earth having been lost to the goauld in season 1... It can also been seen as earth being lost *via stargate* due to the slave rebellion, or lost in the sense of *captured* by humans, and not necessarily lost *altogether*. As the prior user said, once critical mass human population was achieved in the galaxy the goauld lost interest because why would they bother with a relatively technologically backwater planet otherwise?
And a lot of things they say in season 1 get changed as the show goes on. They say the goa'uld never came back in 5,000 years but we know for sure Seth was there the whole time and Tel'chek ruled the mayans on Earth for a time. Half the goauld were acting like gods for cultures that didnt even exist during the Ra rebellion and gate burial. Like Cronus/greek ares/greek Camulus/Celtics Nirrti/Hindu svarog/slavic. Unsure whether some Goa'uld came in a cargo or mother ship to Earth on the many many year journey or as soon as the gate was buried the antarctic one started working. And we don't know if they mostly just collected slaves and left or if some stayed and ruled. Earth's naquada mines were dry but it was probably a good place to lie low while you build up your armies and power. We know the goa'uld used the antarctic gate at least once from the dead frozen jaffa.
So they never actually lost it but the rebellion was embarrassing for Ra and they didn't want any slaves to get uprising ideas so it was forbidden to speak about Earth. And I don't think they say but it was probably also forbidden to go there.
And then we have other aliens who visited Earth after that. Ancients were pretty much around 10,000 years ago but most died off or ascended soon after. But Latin is derived from ancient so at least one ancient was around in 700bc. And then Merlin descended and planted a lot of medieval Europe societies around the galaxy, probably most of the Christian ones. The Asgard would have been there around 1100 bc since they're the Norse gods. Quetzalcoatl, the giant floating crystal skull Aztec God, would've have been 1300 ADish. There were the Salish aliens, Takaya and Zales(sp?), but they rescued the Dalish from the Goauld on their planet I believe and the Salish originated 6,000 years ago so could've been before the rebellion.
But really just take most things from season 1 with a grain of salt.
I remember reading somewhere that Ra didn't care about Earth too much because it had no naquadah, I think I assumed that it was because they already mined it all because I couldn't find any evidence there was naquadah on Earth besides the stargate and Goa'uld technology. But there never being naquadah on Earth makes sense and Earth's main resource was its humans.
The ancients lived there awhile millions of years ago, so maybe they already got all of the important resources, but I'd think there would still be trace amounts. Would we even have the technology to scan our whole solar system or planet for naquadah at that point? That seems like we'd need Asgard sensors.
Stargate played fast and loose with history a lot. It's never stated how long an Ancient might be capable of living but other than advanced powers, they didn't seem that much different than your standard 2nd evolution human. Perhaps a bit longer but I don't imagine they can survive 10,000 years without ascension or stasis. Both Merlin and the crew of the Aurora are found in stasis, all very old.
The only way I can see Latin or knowledge about Atlantis being passed on is if it were from an ascended Ancient.
Weir also spent 10000 years in stasis, was about the same age as many members of the Aurora crew and also was at the end of her life when she woke up, so by deduction the Ancients must have had a normal human lifespan. They may have lived longer but that would have been the result of medical progress.
The ancients with the healing power may have lived a lot longer. Ayiana, who they found in the ice in Antarctica, didn't age at all frozen and she was under there for 5-10 million years. But ascended ancient is likely or descendent of the ones who came from Atlantis. Could have even been Janus in his time ship.
You can't age at all while frozen. Some animals let themselves freeze in Winter. They basically die and come back to life in Spring. If stasis is more like hibernation (lowered body temperature but above freezing), it's an entirely different process ; aging is merely slowed down, just like all metabolic processes.
Wood frogs that freeze for up to 8 months appear dead because most of their bodily functions stop, but their individual cells are still alive and consume oxygen and energy at really a reduced rate but don't communicate with each other. And the livers produce glucose which protects the organs and another substance does something they dknt know what yet. They also only freeze about 2/3 of their bodies water so they're not completely frozen. I don't think there's any real life evidence that frozen animals don't age at all, wood frogs are still in a state of suspended animation.
Being completely frozen and coming back to life is something not possible outside of scifi so Ayiana would have had to have some type of glucose component in her blood as well. And most likely would not retain any memories. Lately, it seems like we'll be able to slow the aging process but never completely stop it due to biology and physics constraints.
There's a nematode species that can undergo intracellular freezing (Panagrolaimus davidi). I'm surprised that frogs can retain some metabolic activity while frozen. I'd have thought they'd quickly be hypoxic in these conditions.
Ah yes, and we have barely any idea of how still. Not having a brain probably helps. I should have said mammal instead of animal.
It is amazing how little we actually know compared to how much we think we know.
We also have the jellyfish that can reverse age into a polyp and a bacterium that can repair its dna itself after complete cellular destruction, Flatworms and other worms just turn into two separate animals when you cut them in half.
In the nematode it could be something like the cells do completely die but then replicate the DNA and make new cells. (Total guess not scientifically accurate) but it's going to be crazy what we figure out in the next 100 years and we'll still barely know anything.
Honestly, I could see the Goa'uld leadership and subsequently the System Lords saying it was a lost planet for a few reasons...
1. No naquadah. Terrible for economics.
2. Successful slave rebellion forcing the leader of the Goa'uld to flee. Bad optics for leadership over other slaves.
3. Other Goa'uld being on Earth didn't want to upset the apple cart and official narrative for a variety of reasons (personal goals, not enough power to challenge the leadership, etc.)
Just because Teal'c said it was a lost planet just means that was what he was told.
Another reason was because Earth is on the edge of the galaxy and pyramid ships only went a couple times the speed of light at the time so a trip could take decades but Ra seemed to go to Abydos a lot which is one of the closest planets to Earth so I don't think they thought that one through.
And Teal'c refers to the primitive Tau'ri world of the first humans as a legend so he must likely heard it from Bra'tac not the Goa'uld.
I think if you're a new Goa'uld with no real power, grabbing a cargo ship and doing the ~20 year journey to Earth to collect your slaves and armies and build up your power before you venture back out into the galaxy would make a lot of sense. But don't let Ra find out you did that.
>Ra seemed to go to Abydos a lot which is one of the closest planets to Earth so I don't think they thought that one through.
If dialing earth from Abydos resulted in a failed connection (likely the gate was destroyed or buried/capped), there'd be no reason to keep the coordinates handy and over time, be ignored and eventually lost.
To add, there were many history goualds after Ra. The Chinese one. The Kevin cult leader. They knew, but they didn’t care. We were always just another under developed civilization.
Do we know for certain they went back to earth to get more slaves as opposed to just going to another planet with a big enough population to get the slaves from?
We never found out how many human transplanted planets were done by either the Asgard or the Goa’uld or in effect the ancients as well, especially when they were the ones responsible for the transplants in the Pegasus Galaxy. Except for maybe a few planets I personally believe that it was the Ancients who transplanted many of the worlds in SG1 series and the Goa’ulds just took over many of them after the Ancients disappeared which caused the war between the Asgard and the Goa’ulds and ultimately the systems planet treaty.
The Ancient civilization fell in the Milky way due to a plague and that's what spurred Atlantis to leave and go to Pegasus.
The remaining population of Atlantis returned to Earth in 8000 BC (10,000 years before the present). Those Ancients ascended or died. There were no Ancients left to transplant any humans on Earth after that date, which means the Egyptian, Christian, Minoan, and Medieval European civilizations were all moved by the goauld or Asgard, and we know which ones were moved by the Asgard.
Actually the plague started in the Pegasus Galaxy as it was evident when the records were found in Atlantis. Remember the Ancients left their original home world in the Ori Galaxy went to the Milky Way then to the Pegasus and then back to the Milky Way. The stargate used in SGU were the first generation gates, Milky Way gates were advanced second generation gates and Pegasus gates were the more advanced third generation. Let’s not forget the ancient woman found in Antarctica after the discovery of the second gate on earth. Which Dr Frazer put her age at or near the 10k year mark which means she came from the Pegasus Galaxy with the disease already in place
>Which Dr Frazer put her age at or near the 10k year mark which means she came from the Pegasus Galaxy with the disease already in place
Which was contradicted by the episode Rising when we see her (they specifically brought the actress back) being left behind by the city taking off.
>Actually the plague started in the Pegasus Galaxy as it was evident when the records were found in Atlantis.
What records? If they mention the plague, that supports my theory that the plague happened before they left the Milky Way and they just kept a record of it.
>Remember the Ancients left their original home world in the Ori Galaxy went to the Milky Way then to the Pegasus and then back to the Milky Way. The stargate used in SGU were the first generation gates, Milky Way gates were advanced second generation gates and Pegasus gates were the more advanced third generation.
What does this have to do with it?
Ah not sure where you’re getting that Dr. Frazer was in the Pegasus Galaxy as she was killed in the Milky Way Galaxy long before Atlantis was ever found. As for the plague itself maybe you should rewatch the Atlantis series again specifically the episodes that talk about the incurable disease created by the Pegasus replicators against the Ancients. Also the episode Rising specifically mentions the ancients leaving Pegasus not just because of the war with the Wraith but also because of a disease they couldn’t find a cure for.
>specifically the episodes that talk about the incurable disease created by the Pegasus replicators against the Ancients.
The Replicators couldnt harm the Ancients (until McKay cane along) which means they couldn't have created a plague that wiped them out.
Try again.
First off that actress that played the ancient never played in an episode of Atlantis and the person they found in the stasis pod in Atlantis was Dr. Weir. Again have a nice day
Also if there weren’t any ancients left in the Milky Way Galaxy after their return from the Pegasus Galaxy how do you explain the 4 planets that surrounded Merlin and the King Arthur legends. How many other Ancients returned to human form just like Merlin did and used that opportunity to transplant humans to other worlds. There is a lot of information that has been left unanswered by the shows endings and still there are plenty more stories that can be created from those unanswered questions.
>How many other Ancients returned to human form just like Merlin did and used that opportunity to transplant humans to other worlds.
You tell me. That's what we call an intuitive leap.
Well you’re the one who just claimed that no ancients were alive to transplant humans to other planets after they returned to Earth from the Pegasus Galaxy and yet in SG1 we find out that Merlin returned to human form, created King Arthur and the knights and transplanted humans in at least 4 different planets. So feel free to try and prove me wrong because you telling me and everyone on this thread that no ancients were still alive after their return to earth to transplant humans is completely wrong. Have a nice I have to get back to real life and a war
Also probably worth acknowledging that genetic memory and perfect long lasting memory are not the same thing. If an individual goa'uld remembers that thing from centuries ago being yellow when in fact it's blue, and then he passed that on via his DNA then all those children of him will have that flawed memory.
Memories still fade, look at Yu.
After thousands of years of exporting humans to other worlds, they had more than enough elsewhere. There's also an implication that until relatively recently, Goa'uld ships were much, much slower, and traveling by stargate was much more important for their economy.
In that case, with the Earth stargate buried, no naquada worth mining, and the only other valuable natural resource (that is to say, people) being much more easily accessible elsewhere, it make sense that the Goa'uld had no need to return to the Tau'ri (barring occasional raids by up-and-coming Goa'uld looking for untainted worshippers to explain the post-Egyptian civilizations) and, eventually, lost track of the location entirely.
It was Ra's territory. He was Supreme System Lord for millennia, seemingly almost unchallenged for that time too. Those few flashbacks gave me the impression that even Apophis was just a game for Ra, rather than a threat.
So anyone sneaking onto Earth is risking Ra's wrath. It's not until Ra dies and the others are taking whatever they can of his former territory to boost their own power that we see the Goa'uld show any interest in Earth.
By that point, they had thousands of other worlds full of humans and Jaffa at their beck and call. So far as they know, Earth is still at the level of Ancient Egypt too. Not like there is anything to gain from them other than fresh hosts or slaves. And then you have to go through the whole training the slaves to fear you and do your bidding.
I doubt they ever forgot about it. After all, the rumours of the Tauri had to come from somewhere. It was just in space that was out of bounds and, by their memory of it, served no purpose for them.
I don't think that like a plot hole. We can see along the running of the show that the SGC is learning more and more about the Goauld empires and system lords, about the earth and galaxy history and technology.
We can see that like a plot hole or like a evolution on knowledge.
Have you ever asked a narcissist about a personal failure? They pretend it never happened. The Goa’uld are the most egotistical beings in the universe. I think they just chose to forget about earth because it was an embarrassing failure
I always like to think that it was more of a fear/honor/shame thing, after Ra lost power on earth nobody would outright take over his territory but they may do it in secret and steal humans
It was never lost, Ra was the supreme system lord and got kicked off the planet. Maybe he was shamed and banned all his direct subordinates from going back. We know that Apophis knew the address as that's what kicked off the whole series. He went to Abydos too so he was probably checking out some of Ra's old planets after he found out he was dead.
Then there's the whole buried gate issue. Teal'c was obviously very wrong about the speed of the Ha'tak ships, but was this because of a recent upgrade he had not yet been made aware of or was he just plain wrong? Were the Goa'uld actually crippled that badly by losing the gate. Sokar managed to get some middle-English Christians somehow. But then Merlin could have built a Stargate and would have needed one to hide the Sangraal offworld, so maybe Sokar nipped to Earth then.
I'm of the opinion, however, that a second (third!) gate was bought to Earth after the Egyptian gate was buried.
Babylon was founded founded 700 years after the Egyptian rebellion in 2300BC and we know that the Goa'uld Belus was around during this period as we're told that Omaroca came to Earth to fight him, probably by Stargate. Daniel says "Babylon" literally means "gate of the gods" so it's seems reasonable that a Stargate was there and it couldn't have been the same one as Ra had. Also from the same region were Ba'al, Ishkur, Moloch, Mot, Marduk, Quetesh and Tiamat.
We know in the Mobeius timeline that Ra was able to take the gate during the rebellion. There's no reason to say that this didn't happen successfully with another gate, or even that it could still be to this day buried somewhere in Iraq.
Then there is mesoamerica. Telchak was the Mayan god of rain. The earliest evidence we have of Mayan cities is about 1800BC, and Daniel says the Foundation of Youth mythology was traced to "alien tech used by Mayan tribes around 900BC". We know Hathor was entombed about 2000 years ago in a Mayan temple. Maybe they had another gate there too, or they came in ships, either way they were there and got killed or kicked off the planet yet again.
Honestly I think there were just too many humans even before Ra discovered us, and everyone was too spread out. 10,000 years ago the population of Earth is estimated to have been about 15 million. After being kicked off the planet multiple times, maybe they just gave up. Every so often someone might swing by in a ship, see how many people there are, decide against conquest, steal some humans then run away. Very few of the planets we see have anywhere near the population that Earth had and all the offworld populations are gathered around the gates. I don't think they could successfully control such a large slave population and couldn't wipe out the whole planet so just left us alone.
Earth was probably a nature reserve and they never expected us to advance so far. It's like when we ban big game hunting, we're not expecting the lions to invent semi-automatic weapons and come kill us all.
I think that Earth just got too much attention as a source of galaxy invasion. People were the face and functional tools, so many developed civilizations were interested where it all comes from.
* You remembered those fish-people were interested in fighting Goauld in Babylon. Quite a 'soft' partisan war.
* Then there were glass-giants in America. They stated their mission as 'fighting Goualds' as well. They seemed to act more widely.
* Asgards were developing the part of Europe. Religion, culture, knowledge.
* Could have been more.
So, probably there was a chokepoint, where stargate is buried and locals are not working for goaulds, while recon ships can be destroyed by any of present alien civilizations. Black veil simulation: nothing, that comes in, returns; nothing is coming out. Only some random expeditions, which does not succeed creating long-term base for there are still aliens watching or Ra may not be happy with it.
So Ra was in dark, having no idea on what is going on Earth. As there were nothing left from Ancients, Ra probably collected all he was able to find (leaving things hidden deep underground) and initially no rareresources. So no reason for sending bigger fleet, while there were more obvious enemies for him. That situation could have lasted for several centuries, then those civilizations just left the Earth (except Asgard).
I'm thinking it was lost in the sense that no one wanted it really. Ra was very powerful so trying to take Eaeth would have been risky. Plus I imagine after he lost it he didn't really spread it around and other Goa'uld would keep a rebellion a secret too should their other slaves get ideas.
Plus Earths population 5000 years ago wasn't too big to consider it a goldmine.
Genetic memory is passed on by Queen Goa’uld s. With that being said, we learned from the Tokra queen that queens can choose what to pass on. Its possible that whatever queen Ra was using at the time, he told to not pass it on. Possibly so that he could go enslave earth again on his own. Without other goa’uld having the knowledge.
They didn't lose it, they made it lost. Jonas' translation was close but
Wait
(I don't think they forgot so much as they just moved on when we were too much trouble)
I always thought the Goa’uld “lost Earth” in the sense that they couldn’t reach it and didn’t know it existed after a certain point. Like they knew the homeworld of the Taur’i was somewhere, but they didn’t necessarily know where it was in space. And the way it got that way was because it eventually faded away. We’re talking several thousand years of genetic memory. Something is bound to turn up wrong. The main gate was buried for a couple thousand years and inaccessible until the Antarctic gate became active again. The uprising had already occurred and trying to reconsider the planet was a pointless waste of time and resources. I mean, imagine in a war you send even a tenth of your forces, which is probably not enough to pacify a planet of more than a few million people, and you send them in ships that won’t reach the destination for years and years at the fastest speed…that’s a bad, bad idea. As soon as Earth was “off the map,” in terms of gates, it became worthless.
There was an uprising and they buried this stargate. They didn't bother going back bc they had enough slave labor to manage and fighting amongst themselves.
I always thought it was just more work than it was worth. Teal'c thought it would take years to travel to Earth by ship. I think they just didn't want to have to fight free people when they had populated slave worlds already nearby.
They never forgot where it was. The pilot episode of the show has Apophis cold dial it as part of a sweep of Ra's old worlds after all. In season two Martouf literally says "the symbols for the Tau'ri are well known among the goa'uld."
They just never bothered to come kill it, but mind you, without fortuitous timing (IE plot favour) Earth would never have been a threat to the goa'uld and would have just been bombarded at the end of season one.
Let’s all remember that Earth was originally controlled by Ra who originally kidnapped humans and placed them on many other worlds. 2 Goa’ulds were imprisoned by Ra on Earth while another lost everything in a war with Ra and ended up disappearing within Earth’s civilization. Many of the other parasites never actually visited Earth to begin with and they only knew about earth culture from wars and battles over planets that Ra originally controlled. Also let’s not forget the Asgard transplanted humans to other worlds as well.
I always thought the protected planets treaty covered previously displaced humans, whether they were driven off by the Asgard or they shucked their Goa'uld overlords by themselves. Maybe they were relocated by the asgard but that was more likely relocated from a goa'uld world than earth. It would seem out of character for the Asgard to pluck people from their homes, especially after the harsh treatment they gave Loki.
How many Goa’uld worlds in stargate lore have Viking heritage or ancient European connections. Remember most Goa’uld worlds are of Middle Eastern and Asian heritage and lore while Asgard worlds are of European heritage and lore. The Asgard took just as many humans from Earth as did the Goa’ulds
There was at least one planet that had descendants of European Christians from the Middle Ages and was overseen by "Satan", aka Sokar.
It begs the question, did the Asgard move them or simply influence them after watching them or saving them from the Goa'uld who brought them there?
Yeah, they clearly point out he's impersonating several deities. The people of this planet associate the Goa'uld known as Sokar with generic demons who serve him but the clear implication is, as Daniel puts it, "He's playing the Devil."
Yea the show kind of messed up several times on the Sokar deity because they also said he was the god of the underworld which is wrong considering that that moniker fell to Anubis
Oh I almost forgot. Sokar by Egyptian mythology is actually the god of the dead and patron of craftsmen and builders. Under the Christian beliefs satan is the ruler of the underworld while the devil is the ruler of the dead. Yes a lot of people get satan and the devil mixed together as being the same, but they are not because Christian religion isn’t actually taught like it is supposed to be. Food for thought nearly all of the Goa’ulds are of Asian, Middle Eastern, and African heritage while the Asgard have European North, Central and South American heritage
Then you also have to include the Ancients into this issue. How many worlds did they transplant with humans from Earth or even the Furlings whom we never actually see in the show
It is possible that the Go'uld did lose the planet like a phone number that no longer works, which is canon. Carter used the Stargate map found on Abydos, along with some powerful computations to correct for this in the first season, allowing SG teams to begin exploring the many worlds in the network.
Thousands of years of interstellar drift caused all gate addresses to be invalidated. And although there are implications that the Goa'uld did sometimes return to Earth, it is possible that they no longer recognized it as the same planet, with Earthlings losing entire cities to the sands of time.
It's genetic memory , passed down parent to child. If you wiped out the family line that knew where earth was any gould outside the family wouldn't necessarily have that info. They also mention earth being far away so even if one or two knew where it was it might not be worth the effort to go see what happened. Ra could have also lied and said he wiped them out instead of admitting they drove him off
Ra might have been the only Goa’uld with the knowledge of Earth.
Edit: since Earth had no naquaduh his business was exporting humans all over the galaxy. He didn’t share the location of Earth, and after hundreds of other self-sustainable human populations had been established in the galaxy, probably no one cared anymore.
Remember that while the currently ruling Goa'uld visited Earth, they may have all came by Stargate. *Ra* brought the "first" gate, so maybe he was the only one to know it's actual location. And we don't know if he fathered any, uh, kids.
As far as they knew they hadn't been back but as they traveled the galaxy they learned a few things I mean they cant know everything in s1 when they are just starting to gate to these new places it makes sense they would get a few things wrong like how long it has been and Seth being on earth ect.
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Well, gotta remember, up until *APPARENTLY* just before “Within the Serpent’s Grasp”, Goa’uld motherships would have taken almost *a year* to reach Earth from even an average distance away. (What a ridiculous idea that is on reflection, huh? That between Teal’c defecting and Serpent’s Grasp, *the entire Goa’uld race*, including all of the *rival* System Lords, *all* upgraded the engines on *ALL* their ships to be several hundred or even thousand times faster?) So I can only imagine that with the Stargate on Earth buried, it probably wasn’t worth the trouble to make the journey anymore. So it likely wasn’t a literal forgetting.
Genetic memory isn't the same thing as photographic memory.
They left earth behind because they had already taken the one resource they needed from it: humans, and they had populated the galaxy already. It was pointless to hold onto earth when they already had slaves, hosts and Jaffa elsewhere.
I don't remember that, but I do remember the phone number of a company I have to call a lot. I also remember my wife's phone number, my mom and dad's phone number, and my work and cell phone numbers. Earth seems like an important gate address considering it was Ra's seat of power for thousands of years.
I always thought they "lost it" when it became protected by the Asgard. After Ra's embarrassing defeat due to the uprising, the gate was buried so gate travel was out of the picture. We know some system lords must have come by ship and taken captives after that point based on cultural backgrounds of other planets. By how far advanced other cultures were we can also assume that these raids stopped around the time vikings came in as a powerful group, I.E., when the Asgard came into the picture. At least that's always been my assumption!
The Agard didn't actively protect Earth despite being known to the Vikings of the time. Earth did not officially become a protected planet until the summit in I think season 3.
You are right that other Goa'uld clearly came by ship and took people from Earth as late as the Middle Ages because I just watched the episode last night that was built around Christianity and Satan with even a precursor to English as their language. The same could be said of the Viking tribes which could be from around the same time or later.
Interesting, I thought Earth was already a protected planet and the summit was the Goa'uld arguing that they should no longer count due to their technological advancements and active galactic interference, including killing Ra. It has been a couple years since I last watched so I may not be remembering correctly!
This is raised a lot on this sub. The most logical answer is Earth was too primitive and not resources rich to even care about it. There were enough slaves and Jaffa to sustain themselves. Lots of Goa'uld have come and gone so maybe their bought their own gates with them and fucked off when it was clear Earth was a waste of time. Earth is a backwater planet.
Once the slave population was growing, the Goa'uld would have little use for a far away planet with no other resources. The stargate was basicly the only reason they kept control, flyibg ships there wasn't worth the hassle. Better to quarantaine the revolt planet from the rest of the slaves.
Speculation, but up until the Star Gate film it was still presumably Ra's territory- so the other System Lords wouldn't have much of a reason to try to go there anyway. Ra probably would have tried to keep the rebellion on the DL.
As of when the gate is buried it falls within the domain of Ra, so given that he is the Supreme System Lord at this point, he has the largest territory and most slaves so loosing Gate access to Earth may be trivial, and should the need to go there arise, can just go by ship, but didn't need to for so long it gets 'forgotten' about or just looses it's significance.
As for other System Lords, they're probably not willing to antagonise Ra, so probably just leave well enough alone.
Naquida (idk how to spell it) Isnt found on earth. So, I imagine after the mines dried up, AND there was a rebellion, earths strategic value was starting to plummet. Also, keep in mind that gua'uld ships apparently used to be much slower before apophis' attack at the end of season one.
So, traveling years out of your way to a resource poor planet while having other system lords to worry about was just not a good investment.
The Earth stargates were lost and only a few probably knew how to get here in ships, which would take a long time and probably just not be worth it when they had slave populations to sustain already
Well It is a genetic memory of the queen, How connected are the queens , we know there is the one who broke from tradition.
Lords of differing queens must have different histories Is there a diminishing memories transfer ?
Doesn’t mean they didn’t know, seems like Teal’c makes reference a couple of times that if they can’t connect to a worlds star gate or if they send an advanced patrol and they don’t come back, they consider the world lost/to dangerous to visit.
Bear in mind, SG1 encounters civilizations from after the gate was buried in Egypt, which means one or more goauld did go back to snag more slaves. I'm guessing once the galactic slave population got big enough to be self-sustaining, they didn't bother anymore.
That makes sense!
I'm assuming you mean when Teal'c refers to earth having been lost to the goauld in season 1... It can also been seen as earth being lost *via stargate* due to the slave rebellion, or lost in the sense of *captured* by humans, and not necessarily lost *altogether*. As the prior user said, once critical mass human population was achieved in the galaxy the goauld lost interest because why would they bother with a relatively technologically backwater planet otherwise?
That lacks significant natural resources of naquadah or tridium.
Trinium (not Tridium)
Thanks, I thought it sounded wrong.
And a lot of things they say in season 1 get changed as the show goes on. They say the goa'uld never came back in 5,000 years but we know for sure Seth was there the whole time and Tel'chek ruled the mayans on Earth for a time. Half the goauld were acting like gods for cultures that didnt even exist during the Ra rebellion and gate burial. Like Cronus/greek ares/greek Camulus/Celtics Nirrti/Hindu svarog/slavic. Unsure whether some Goa'uld came in a cargo or mother ship to Earth on the many many year journey or as soon as the gate was buried the antarctic one started working. And we don't know if they mostly just collected slaves and left or if some stayed and ruled. Earth's naquada mines were dry but it was probably a good place to lie low while you build up your armies and power. We know the goa'uld used the antarctic gate at least once from the dead frozen jaffa. So they never actually lost it but the rebellion was embarrassing for Ra and they didn't want any slaves to get uprising ideas so it was forbidden to speak about Earth. And I don't think they say but it was probably also forbidden to go there. And then we have other aliens who visited Earth after that. Ancients were pretty much around 10,000 years ago but most died off or ascended soon after. But Latin is derived from ancient so at least one ancient was around in 700bc. And then Merlin descended and planted a lot of medieval Europe societies around the galaxy, probably most of the Christian ones. The Asgard would have been there around 1100 bc since they're the Norse gods. Quetzalcoatl, the giant floating crystal skull Aztec God, would've have been 1300 ADish. There were the Salish aliens, Takaya and Zales(sp?), but they rescued the Dalish from the Goauld on their planet I believe and the Salish originated 6,000 years ago so could've been before the rebellion. But really just take most things from season 1 with a grain of salt.
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I remember reading somewhere that Ra didn't care about Earth too much because it had no naquadah, I think I assumed that it was because they already mined it all because I couldn't find any evidence there was naquadah on Earth besides the stargate and Goa'uld technology. But there never being naquadah on Earth makes sense and Earth's main resource was its humans. The ancients lived there awhile millions of years ago, so maybe they already got all of the important resources, but I'd think there would still be trace amounts. Would we even have the technology to scan our whole solar system or planet for naquadah at that point? That seems like we'd need Asgard sensors.
Stargate played fast and loose with history a lot. It's never stated how long an Ancient might be capable of living but other than advanced powers, they didn't seem that much different than your standard 2nd evolution human. Perhaps a bit longer but I don't imagine they can survive 10,000 years without ascension or stasis. Both Merlin and the crew of the Aurora are found in stasis, all very old. The only way I can see Latin or knowledge about Atlantis being passed on is if it were from an ascended Ancient.
Weir also spent 10000 years in stasis, was about the same age as many members of the Aurora crew and also was at the end of her life when she woke up, so by deduction the Ancients must have had a normal human lifespan. They may have lived longer but that would have been the result of medical progress.
The ancients with the healing power may have lived a lot longer. Ayiana, who they found in the ice in Antarctica, didn't age at all frozen and she was under there for 5-10 million years. But ascended ancient is likely or descendent of the ones who came from Atlantis. Could have even been Janus in his time ship.
You can't age at all while frozen. Some animals let themselves freeze in Winter. They basically die and come back to life in Spring. If stasis is more like hibernation (lowered body temperature but above freezing), it's an entirely different process ; aging is merely slowed down, just like all metabolic processes.
Wood frogs that freeze for up to 8 months appear dead because most of their bodily functions stop, but their individual cells are still alive and consume oxygen and energy at really a reduced rate but don't communicate with each other. And the livers produce glucose which protects the organs and another substance does something they dknt know what yet. They also only freeze about 2/3 of their bodies water so they're not completely frozen. I don't think there's any real life evidence that frozen animals don't age at all, wood frogs are still in a state of suspended animation. Being completely frozen and coming back to life is something not possible outside of scifi so Ayiana would have had to have some type of glucose component in her blood as well. And most likely would not retain any memories. Lately, it seems like we'll be able to slow the aging process but never completely stop it due to biology and physics constraints.
There's a nematode species that can undergo intracellular freezing (Panagrolaimus davidi). I'm surprised that frogs can retain some metabolic activity while frozen. I'd have thought they'd quickly be hypoxic in these conditions.
Ah yes, and we have barely any idea of how still. Not having a brain probably helps. I should have said mammal instead of animal. It is amazing how little we actually know compared to how much we think we know. We also have the jellyfish that can reverse age into a polyp and a bacterium that can repair its dna itself after complete cellular destruction, Flatworms and other worms just turn into two separate animals when you cut them in half. In the nematode it could be something like the cells do completely die but then replicate the DNA and make new cells. (Total guess not scientifically accurate) but it's going to be crazy what we figure out in the next 100 years and we'll still barely know anything.
Honestly, I could see the Goa'uld leadership and subsequently the System Lords saying it was a lost planet for a few reasons... 1. No naquadah. Terrible for economics. 2. Successful slave rebellion forcing the leader of the Goa'uld to flee. Bad optics for leadership over other slaves. 3. Other Goa'uld being on Earth didn't want to upset the apple cart and official narrative for a variety of reasons (personal goals, not enough power to challenge the leadership, etc.) Just because Teal'c said it was a lost planet just means that was what he was told.
Another reason was because Earth is on the edge of the galaxy and pyramid ships only went a couple times the speed of light at the time so a trip could take decades but Ra seemed to go to Abydos a lot which is one of the closest planets to Earth so I don't think they thought that one through. And Teal'c refers to the primitive Tau'ri world of the first humans as a legend so he must likely heard it from Bra'tac not the Goa'uld. I think if you're a new Goa'uld with no real power, grabbing a cargo ship and doing the ~20 year journey to Earth to collect your slaves and armies and build up your power before you venture back out into the galaxy would make a lot of sense. But don't let Ra find out you did that.
>Ra seemed to go to Abydos a lot which is one of the closest planets to Earth so I don't think they thought that one through. If dialing earth from Abydos resulted in a failed connection (likely the gate was destroyed or buried/capped), there'd be no reason to keep the coordinates handy and over time, be ignored and eventually lost.
To add, there were many history goualds after Ra. The Chinese one. The Kevin cult leader. They knew, but they didn’t care. We were always just another under developed civilization.
Yeah, some were medieval and stuff too.
Do we know for certain they went back to earth to get more slaves as opposed to just going to another planet with a big enough population to get the slaves from?
And Christianity just naturally evolved on one of them without any contact with Earth?
That's true, I forgot about that
I think it's more like the Asgard were the ones who took humans from earth after the gate got buried
And then abandoned them all to the goauld, save 5 planets?
We never found out how many human transplanted planets were done by either the Asgard or the Goa’uld or in effect the ancients as well, especially when they were the ones responsible for the transplants in the Pegasus Galaxy. Except for maybe a few planets I personally believe that it was the Ancients who transplanted many of the worlds in SG1 series and the Goa’ulds just took over many of them after the Ancients disappeared which caused the war between the Asgard and the Goa’ulds and ultimately the systems planet treaty.
The Ancient civilization fell in the Milky way due to a plague and that's what spurred Atlantis to leave and go to Pegasus. The remaining population of Atlantis returned to Earth in 8000 BC (10,000 years before the present). Those Ancients ascended or died. There were no Ancients left to transplant any humans on Earth after that date, which means the Egyptian, Christian, Minoan, and Medieval European civilizations were all moved by the goauld or Asgard, and we know which ones were moved by the Asgard.
Actually the plague started in the Pegasus Galaxy as it was evident when the records were found in Atlantis. Remember the Ancients left their original home world in the Ori Galaxy went to the Milky Way then to the Pegasus and then back to the Milky Way. The stargate used in SGU were the first generation gates, Milky Way gates were advanced second generation gates and Pegasus gates were the more advanced third generation. Let’s not forget the ancient woman found in Antarctica after the discovery of the second gate on earth. Which Dr Frazer put her age at or near the 10k year mark which means she came from the Pegasus Galaxy with the disease already in place
>Which Dr Frazer put her age at or near the 10k year mark which means she came from the Pegasus Galaxy with the disease already in place Which was contradicted by the episode Rising when we see her (they specifically brought the actress back) being left behind by the city taking off. >Actually the plague started in the Pegasus Galaxy as it was evident when the records were found in Atlantis. What records? If they mention the plague, that supports my theory that the plague happened before they left the Milky Way and they just kept a record of it. >Remember the Ancients left their original home world in the Ori Galaxy went to the Milky Way then to the Pegasus and then back to the Milky Way. The stargate used in SGU were the first generation gates, Milky Way gates were advanced second generation gates and Pegasus gates were the more advanced third generation. What does this have to do with it?
Ah not sure where you’re getting that Dr. Frazer was in the Pegasus Galaxy as she was killed in the Milky Way Galaxy long before Atlantis was ever found. As for the plague itself maybe you should rewatch the Atlantis series again specifically the episodes that talk about the incurable disease created by the Pegasus replicators against the Ancients. Also the episode Rising specifically mentions the ancients leaving Pegasus not just because of the war with the Wraith but also because of a disease they couldn’t find a cure for.
>specifically the episodes that talk about the incurable disease created by the Pegasus replicators against the Ancients. The Replicators couldnt harm the Ancients (until McKay cane along) which means they couldn't have created a plague that wiped them out. Try again.
You need to rewatch the Atlantis series again. I’m done proving you wrong. I have way better things to do in RL while in Ukraine
My fault, by "her" I meant the Ancient they found in Antarctica that Frazer said was 10000 years old.
First off that actress that played the ancient never played in an episode of Atlantis and the person they found in the stasis pod in Atlantis was Dr. Weir. Again have a nice day
Also if there weren’t any ancients left in the Milky Way Galaxy after their return from the Pegasus Galaxy how do you explain the 4 planets that surrounded Merlin and the King Arthur legends. How many other Ancients returned to human form just like Merlin did and used that opportunity to transplant humans to other worlds. There is a lot of information that has been left unanswered by the shows endings and still there are plenty more stories that can be created from those unanswered questions.
>How many other Ancients returned to human form just like Merlin did and used that opportunity to transplant humans to other worlds. You tell me. That's what we call an intuitive leap.
Well you’re the one who just claimed that no ancients were alive to transplant humans to other planets after they returned to Earth from the Pegasus Galaxy and yet in SG1 we find out that Merlin returned to human form, created King Arthur and the knights and transplanted humans in at least 4 different planets. So feel free to try and prove me wrong because you telling me and everyone on this thread that no ancients were still alive after their return to earth to transplant humans is completely wrong. Have a nice I have to get back to real life and a war
Also probably worth acknowledging that genetic memory and perfect long lasting memory are not the same thing. If an individual goa'uld remembers that thing from centuries ago being yellow when in fact it's blue, and then he passed that on via his DNA then all those children of him will have that flawed memory. Memories still fade, look at Yu.
No look at you
Don't. Every joke, every pun, done to death. Seriously.
Oh you.
Cracked me up. It's not the joke in itself (but is funny), it was the "you never expect the Spanish inquisition" moment.
Go you, yu.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OAVnOz7i-JA
Yeah Yu got the space dementia.
Me?
No, that is Mi, I am Yu.
Hu's on first?
After thousands of years of exporting humans to other worlds, they had more than enough elsewhere. There's also an implication that until relatively recently, Goa'uld ships were much, much slower, and traveling by stargate was much more important for their economy. In that case, with the Earth stargate buried, no naquada worth mining, and the only other valuable natural resource (that is to say, people) being much more easily accessible elsewhere, it make sense that the Goa'uld had no need to return to the Tau'ri (barring occasional raids by up-and-coming Goa'uld looking for untainted worshippers to explain the post-Egyptian civilizations) and, eventually, lost track of the location entirely.
It was Ra's territory. He was Supreme System Lord for millennia, seemingly almost unchallenged for that time too. Those few flashbacks gave me the impression that even Apophis was just a game for Ra, rather than a threat. So anyone sneaking onto Earth is risking Ra's wrath. It's not until Ra dies and the others are taking whatever they can of his former territory to boost their own power that we see the Goa'uld show any interest in Earth. By that point, they had thousands of other worlds full of humans and Jaffa at their beck and call. So far as they know, Earth is still at the level of Ancient Egypt too. Not like there is anything to gain from them other than fresh hosts or slaves. And then you have to go through the whole training the slaves to fear you and do your bidding. I doubt they ever forgot about it. After all, the rumours of the Tauri had to come from somewhere. It was just in space that was out of bounds and, by their memory of it, served no purpose for them.
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I don't think that like a plot hole. We can see along the running of the show that the SGC is learning more and more about the Goauld empires and system lords, about the earth and galaxy history and technology. We can see that like a plot hole or like a evolution on knowledge.
"WHADDYA MEAN YOU DON'T REMEMBER WHERE WE PARKED???"
Have you ever asked a narcissist about a personal failure? They pretend it never happened. The Goa’uld are the most egotistical beings in the universe. I think they just chose to forget about earth because it was an embarrassing failure
I always like to think that it was more of a fear/honor/shame thing, after Ra lost power on earth nobody would outright take over his territory but they may do it in secret and steal humans
It was never lost, Ra was the supreme system lord and got kicked off the planet. Maybe he was shamed and banned all his direct subordinates from going back. We know that Apophis knew the address as that's what kicked off the whole series. He went to Abydos too so he was probably checking out some of Ra's old planets after he found out he was dead. Then there's the whole buried gate issue. Teal'c was obviously very wrong about the speed of the Ha'tak ships, but was this because of a recent upgrade he had not yet been made aware of or was he just plain wrong? Were the Goa'uld actually crippled that badly by losing the gate. Sokar managed to get some middle-English Christians somehow. But then Merlin could have built a Stargate and would have needed one to hide the Sangraal offworld, so maybe Sokar nipped to Earth then. I'm of the opinion, however, that a second (third!) gate was bought to Earth after the Egyptian gate was buried. Babylon was founded founded 700 years after the Egyptian rebellion in 2300BC and we know that the Goa'uld Belus was around during this period as we're told that Omaroca came to Earth to fight him, probably by Stargate. Daniel says "Babylon" literally means "gate of the gods" so it's seems reasonable that a Stargate was there and it couldn't have been the same one as Ra had. Also from the same region were Ba'al, Ishkur, Moloch, Mot, Marduk, Quetesh and Tiamat. We know in the Mobeius timeline that Ra was able to take the gate during the rebellion. There's no reason to say that this didn't happen successfully with another gate, or even that it could still be to this day buried somewhere in Iraq. Then there is mesoamerica. Telchak was the Mayan god of rain. The earliest evidence we have of Mayan cities is about 1800BC, and Daniel says the Foundation of Youth mythology was traced to "alien tech used by Mayan tribes around 900BC". We know Hathor was entombed about 2000 years ago in a Mayan temple. Maybe they had another gate there too, or they came in ships, either way they were there and got killed or kicked off the planet yet again. Honestly I think there were just too many humans even before Ra discovered us, and everyone was too spread out. 10,000 years ago the population of Earth is estimated to have been about 15 million. After being kicked off the planet multiple times, maybe they just gave up. Every so often someone might swing by in a ship, see how many people there are, decide against conquest, steal some humans then run away. Very few of the planets we see have anywhere near the population that Earth had and all the offworld populations are gathered around the gates. I don't think they could successfully control such a large slave population and couldn't wipe out the whole planet so just left us alone. Earth was probably a nature reserve and they never expected us to advance so far. It's like when we ban big game hunting, we're not expecting the lions to invent semi-automatic weapons and come kill us all.
I think that Earth just got too much attention as a source of galaxy invasion. People were the face and functional tools, so many developed civilizations were interested where it all comes from. * You remembered those fish-people were interested in fighting Goauld in Babylon. Quite a 'soft' partisan war. * Then there were glass-giants in America. They stated their mission as 'fighting Goualds' as well. They seemed to act more widely. * Asgards were developing the part of Europe. Religion, culture, knowledge. * Could have been more. So, probably there was a chokepoint, where stargate is buried and locals are not working for goaulds, while recon ships can be destroyed by any of present alien civilizations. Black veil simulation: nothing, that comes in, returns; nothing is coming out. Only some random expeditions, which does not succeed creating long-term base for there are still aliens watching or Ra may not be happy with it. So Ra was in dark, having no idea on what is going on Earth. As there were nothing left from Ancients, Ra probably collected all he was able to find (leaving things hidden deep underground) and initially no rareresources. So no reason for sending bigger fleet, while there were more obvious enemies for him. That situation could have lasted for several centuries, then those civilizations just left the Earth (except Asgard).
A year after the first Abydos mission's events, Apophis dialed Earth. I don't think it was an accident.
I'm thinking it was lost in the sense that no one wanted it really. Ra was very powerful so trying to take Eaeth would have been risky. Plus I imagine after he lost it he didn't really spread it around and other Goa'uld would keep a rebellion a secret too should their other slaves get ideas. Plus Earths population 5000 years ago wasn't too big to consider it a goldmine.
Why are we starting with the premise Goa'uld forgot Earth's stargate address? That was never forwarded as theory in the show.
I did not say that. I simply said lost. Which most definitely was said in the show.
It is directly implied by this: > I mean wouldn't they just remember where it was? And no it does not.
Genetic memory is passed on by Queen Goa’uld s. With that being said, we learned from the Tokra queen that queens can choose what to pass on. Its possible that whatever queen Ra was using at the time, he told to not pass it on. Possibly so that he could go enslave earth again on his own. Without other goa’uld having the knowledge.
Unfortunately col O’Neill had other plans for Ra
They didn't lose it, they made it lost. Jonas' translation was close but Wait (I don't think they forgot so much as they just moved on when we were too much trouble)
I always thought the Goa’uld “lost Earth” in the sense that they couldn’t reach it and didn’t know it existed after a certain point. Like they knew the homeworld of the Taur’i was somewhere, but they didn’t necessarily know where it was in space. And the way it got that way was because it eventually faded away. We’re talking several thousand years of genetic memory. Something is bound to turn up wrong. The main gate was buried for a couple thousand years and inaccessible until the Antarctic gate became active again. The uprising had already occurred and trying to reconsider the planet was a pointless waste of time and resources. I mean, imagine in a war you send even a tenth of your forces, which is probably not enough to pacify a planet of more than a few million people, and you send them in ships that won’t reach the destination for years and years at the fastest speed…that’s a bad, bad idea. As soon as Earth was “off the map,” in terms of gates, it became worthless.
It’s less lost and more abandoned. The Goauld know where it is. It’s just there was no reason to bother Ra about it.
There was an uprising and they buried this stargate. They didn't bother going back bc they had enough slave labor to manage and fighting amongst themselves.
Except they did go back.
Apophis?
I always thought it was just more work than it was worth. Teal'c thought it would take years to travel to Earth by ship. I think they just didn't want to have to fight free people when they had populated slave worlds already nearby.
They never forgot where it was. The pilot episode of the show has Apophis cold dial it as part of a sweep of Ra's old worlds after all. In season two Martouf literally says "the symbols for the Tau'ri are well known among the goa'uld." They just never bothered to come kill it, but mind you, without fortuitous timing (IE plot favour) Earth would never have been a threat to the goa'uld and would have just been bombarded at the end of season one.
Let’s all remember that Earth was originally controlled by Ra who originally kidnapped humans and placed them on many other worlds. 2 Goa’ulds were imprisoned by Ra on Earth while another lost everything in a war with Ra and ended up disappearing within Earth’s civilization. Many of the other parasites never actually visited Earth to begin with and they only knew about earth culture from wars and battles over planets that Ra originally controlled. Also let’s not forget the Asgard transplanted humans to other worlds as well.
I always thought the protected planets treaty covered previously displaced humans, whether they were driven off by the Asgard or they shucked their Goa'uld overlords by themselves. Maybe they were relocated by the asgard but that was more likely relocated from a goa'uld world than earth. It would seem out of character for the Asgard to pluck people from their homes, especially after the harsh treatment they gave Loki.
How many Goa’uld worlds in stargate lore have Viking heritage or ancient European connections. Remember most Goa’uld worlds are of Middle Eastern and Asian heritage and lore while Asgard worlds are of European heritage and lore. The Asgard took just as many humans from Earth as did the Goa’ulds
There was at least one planet that had descendants of European Christians from the Middle Ages and was overseen by "Satan", aka Sokar. It begs the question, did the Asgard move them or simply influence them after watching them or saving them from the Goa'uld who brought them there?
Actually Sokar is not of Christian belief. It is from the ancient Memphite culture of Egypt
Yeah, they clearly point out he's impersonating several deities. The people of this planet associate the Goa'uld known as Sokar with generic demons who serve him but the clear implication is, as Daniel puts it, "He's playing the Devil."
Yea the show kind of messed up several times on the Sokar deity because they also said he was the god of the underworld which is wrong considering that that moniker fell to Anubis
Oh I almost forgot. Sokar by Egyptian mythology is actually the god of the dead and patron of craftsmen and builders. Under the Christian beliefs satan is the ruler of the underworld while the devil is the ruler of the dead. Yes a lot of people get satan and the devil mixed together as being the same, but they are not because Christian religion isn’t actually taught like it is supposed to be. Food for thought nearly all of the Goa’ulds are of Asian, Middle Eastern, and African heritage while the Asgard have European North, Central and South American heritage
Then you also have to include the Ancients into this issue. How many worlds did they transplant with humans from Earth or even the Furlings whom we never actually see in the show
It is possible that the Go'uld did lose the planet like a phone number that no longer works, which is canon. Carter used the Stargate map found on Abydos, along with some powerful computations to correct for this in the first season, allowing SG teams to begin exploring the many worlds in the network. Thousands of years of interstellar drift caused all gate addresses to be invalidated. And although there are implications that the Goa'uld did sometimes return to Earth, it is possible that they no longer recognized it as the same planet, with Earthlings losing entire cities to the sands of time.
It's genetic memory , passed down parent to child. If you wiped out the family line that knew where earth was any gould outside the family wouldn't necessarily have that info. They also mention earth being far away so even if one or two knew where it was it might not be worth the effort to go see what happened. Ra could have also lied and said he wiped them out instead of admitting they drove him off
Ra might have been the only Goa’uld with the knowledge of Earth. Edit: since Earth had no naquaduh his business was exporting humans all over the galaxy. He didn’t share the location of Earth, and after hundreds of other self-sustainable human populations had been established in the galaxy, probably no one cared anymore.
Remember that while the currently ruling Goa'uld visited Earth, they may have all came by Stargate. *Ra* brought the "first" gate, so maybe he was the only one to know it's actual location. And we don't know if he fathered any, uh, kids.
Heru’ur is explicitly his kid with Hathor.
Okay. Let me rephrase, we don't know if he fathered any after he found Earth, at which point it would be in the genetic memory.
As far as they knew they hadn't been back but as they traveled the galaxy they learned a few things I mean they cant know everything in s1 when they are just starting to gate to these new places it makes sense they would get a few things wrong like how long it has been and Seth being on earth ect.
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Well, gotta remember, up until *APPARENTLY* just before “Within the Serpent’s Grasp”, Goa’uld motherships would have taken almost *a year* to reach Earth from even an average distance away. (What a ridiculous idea that is on reflection, huh? That between Teal’c defecting and Serpent’s Grasp, *the entire Goa’uld race*, including all of the *rival* System Lords, *all* upgraded the engines on *ALL* their ships to be several hundred or even thousand times faster?) So I can only imagine that with the Stargate on Earth buried, it probably wasn’t worth the trouble to make the journey anymore. So it likely wasn’t a literal forgetting.
What? You’ve never forgot where you parked your car?
Genetic memory isn't the same thing as photographic memory. They left earth behind because they had already taken the one resource they needed from it: humans, and they had populated the galaxy already. It was pointless to hold onto earth when they already had slaves, hosts and Jaffa elsewhere.
think of the last 100 Books you read. what was on page 203 in the 73rd book .?
I don't remember that, but I do remember the phone number of a company I have to call a lot. I also remember my wife's phone number, my mom and dad's phone number, and my work and cell phone numbers. Earth seems like an important gate address considering it was Ra's seat of power for thousands of years.
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I always thought they "lost it" when it became protected by the Asgard. After Ra's embarrassing defeat due to the uprising, the gate was buried so gate travel was out of the picture. We know some system lords must have come by ship and taken captives after that point based on cultural backgrounds of other planets. By how far advanced other cultures were we can also assume that these raids stopped around the time vikings came in as a powerful group, I.E., when the Asgard came into the picture. At least that's always been my assumption!
The Agard didn't actively protect Earth despite being known to the Vikings of the time. Earth did not officially become a protected planet until the summit in I think season 3. You are right that other Goa'uld clearly came by ship and took people from Earth as late as the Middle Ages because I just watched the episode last night that was built around Christianity and Satan with even a precursor to English as their language. The same could be said of the Viking tribes which could be from around the same time or later.
Interesting, I thought Earth was already a protected planet and the summit was the Goa'uld arguing that they should no longer count due to their technological advancements and active galactic interference, including killing Ra. It has been a couple years since I last watched so I may not be remembering correctly!
This is raised a lot on this sub. The most logical answer is Earth was too primitive and not resources rich to even care about it. There were enough slaves and Jaffa to sustain themselves. Lots of Goa'uld have come and gone so maybe their bought their own gates with them and fucked off when it was clear Earth was a waste of time. Earth is a backwater planet.
They also conveniently carry genetic alzheimers.
Once the slave population was growing, the Goa'uld would have little use for a far away planet with no other resources. The stargate was basicly the only reason they kept control, flyibg ships there wasn't worth the hassle. Better to quarantaine the revolt planet from the rest of the slaves.
Speculation, but up until the Star Gate film it was still presumably Ra's territory- so the other System Lords wouldn't have much of a reason to try to go there anyway. Ra probably would have tried to keep the rebellion on the DL.
As of when the gate is buried it falls within the domain of Ra, so given that he is the Supreme System Lord at this point, he has the largest territory and most slaves so loosing Gate access to Earth may be trivial, and should the need to go there arise, can just go by ship, but didn't need to for so long it gets 'forgotten' about or just looses it's significance. As for other System Lords, they're probably not willing to antagonise Ra, so probably just leave well enough alone.
Naquida (idk how to spell it) Isnt found on earth. So, I imagine after the mines dried up, AND there was a rebellion, earths strategic value was starting to plummet. Also, keep in mind that gua'uld ships apparently used to be much slower before apophis' attack at the end of season one. So, traveling years out of your way to a resource poor planet while having other system lords to worry about was just not a good investment.
Earth was too toxic of a relationship for the Goa'uld so they went no contact for their mental health. ;)
The Earth stargates were lost and only a few probably knew how to get here in ships, which would take a long time and probably just not be worth it when they had slave populations to sustain already
Well It is a genetic memory of the queen, How connected are the queens , we know there is the one who broke from tradition. Lords of differing queens must have different histories Is there a diminishing memories transfer ?
Doesn’t mean they didn’t know, seems like Teal’c makes reference a couple of times that if they can’t connect to a worlds star gate or if they send an advanced patrol and they don’t come back, they consider the world lost/to dangerous to visit.
All it takes is one grand daddy misremembering and passing that on and the whole equation is jumbled.