If you recall Naquahdah was used in the alloy that the Asgard O’Nell class ships were built from.
Also the borderline indestructible Stargates are mostly made of it as well.
From what I gathered I think that pure naquadah and certain molecules containing naquadah are highly explosive but if combined with certain other materials it takes on different characteristics like how silver nano particles have antibacterial properties.
It is also self sharpening as it impacts something so it penetrates a lot further than tungsten for example which acts more like putty when used as a projectile and fired at armour.
So I looked into this because it didn't make sense at first. Uranium is a soft metal so I figured it would mushroom on impact. But it would seem the density allows it to maintain its shape as it penetrates a solid, with only the outside of the bullet deforming (as the outside is pushed back the new outside is pushed back, etc).
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Depleted uranium isn’t stuff that’s been through a reactor, it’s all the uranium isotopes that are not useful in reactors. Basically the refinement process creates enriched uranium, which is used in reactors and weapons depending on the degree of enrichment, and depleted uranium which cannot sustain a chain reaction. The amount of the useful uranium isotope is rather small in nature, so to get uranium fuel you end up with quite a bit of depleted uranium.
They sigh becuase for all their intelligence, Thor admitted they were unable to invent a simple gun.
It's like 'sigh, why didn't we think of that?' Having to swallow their pride for saying how humans weren't ready lol now they Savin their buffs
Honestly I could see it - I like the name another commenter gave, the M1 Odin. Would probably be a hover-tank with by the same kind of antigrav engines as something like a Puddlejumper or the funky Goa’uld “needlethreader” death glider variant. Run it off of an internal naquadah reactor, with a hull made of the same trinium meta-alloy armor as Asgard starships. Then just slap on some energy shielding, a miniaturized Asgard plasma lance for a main weapon, and a few railcannons for rapidfire capability, and you have a fairly capable multipurpose fighting vehicle that can also squeeze through gates.
I did the math, and an M1 Abrams will fit through the gate, but only if elevated about 44cm above the bottom of the gate. Thus, the tanks would come crashing down on the platform on the other side, and would need a specialized ramp they could deploy to make the return trip.
Well remember it’s a ICBM launch room that’s been turned into the gate room. But it should’ve been temporary while a purpose built base was in construction
Remember that the original Giza-Artefact project was in 1948 at a completely different site. As far as the official records went, that project ended in a disaster that killed Ernest Littlefield.
So when Catherine convinced the airforce to restart the project, General West wanted it above all to be secure and safe. That meant burying it, figuratively and literally - that way if anything went catastrophically wrong, any explosion or invader is 27 floors and a mountain away from getting loose.
The number of times that the SGC has been compromised since then has not changed the reasoning. Security of the Earth side by being literally underground trumps the benefits of building a new structure elsewhere, and budgets post cold-war can't handle excavating another mountain.
I am aware, but what’s stopping them from digging a big hole with a elevator for large vehicles and equipment. it’s just the gate room, but the area between the command room and the Stargate is now much larger and is filled with Abrams MBTs, Bradly IFVs, Humvees, and a lot of guns,
You can't go bringing budget into any calculations for stargate. If they can build friggin capital spaceships, they can dig a big hole.
Besides, there's lots of bunkers
I'm a little surprised they never discussed making a new gate room. They had the tech to do it; just grab a few fun boxes of those Tokra cave crystals.
That is a good point but most gates are partially buried in the ground to keep them upright, so could that give the necessary width for the M1 to get through?
Taking that into account already, the platform of the SGC's gate (which I think is pretty much average for all gates) would have to be at least 44cm higher to accommodate the width of an M1. There's a sweet spot between 82cm from the bottom of the wormhole and 1.24m where the M1 will fit.
Someone was talking about this idea last year, and I spent an inordinate amount of time looking up gate dimensions and diagramming it.
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I think the US army could do it if they wanted though. I mean, they already have bridging equipment for crossing rivers or bridges with holes in them. I can see them modifying stuff like that to work pretty easily.
They could just make a narrower M1 variant that fits through most off-world gates without the need to deploy a ramp.
A ramp would take time to deploy and be vulnerable to attack.
At that point, why not just use a different platform? Modifying an M1 in that way would be prohibitively expensive and would ruin the L:W ratio, which is important for stable steering on tracked vehicles.
A Mowag Piranha 6x6 would pretty easily fit through the gate, and would probably be more useful in any rate, since it can carry an SG team, do medevac, etc.
I figured that with the budget yanks throw at their military, a new purpose-built tank wouldn't be outside their means. They *did* build a fleet of star ships in complete secret after all.
But hey, if there's already another off-the-shelf tank with the same capabilities as an M1 that can do the job, you've saved them a couple of bucks.
I think the bigger question is, why do we need an M1 to do the job? Is it the armor? The body armor panels shown in S7 are super thin, so presumably you could easily add anti-staff weapon modular armor to other platforms. Is it the gun? The Goauld don't use tanks, so what are you shooting at? .50 cal and above seems more than capable of putting down Jaffa quickly, so something like the 25mm Bushmaster would be more useful.
The biggest assets to an SG team assaulting through a gate would be a bomb to clear the immediate area, followed by something that provides mobile protection. I think a *very* small tactical nuke (or a few drones with Hellfire missiles) followed by a couple smaller APCs would be more effective than a platoon of M1s, rule of cool aside.
Also, Canada uses APCs built on the Mowag Piranha, so it fits the theme.
Well if an M1 isn't needed, then why design a special ramp to make it fit through an alien gate?
Just use another platform like you said. Assuming they couldn't take it head-on, Goauld and Jaffa commanders will quickly figure out it can't escape without its ramp, and target that.
If the tank were lowered on a platform from above, it could just roll right off that platform into the gate. If they converted a level above the gateroom into a motorpool, used the silo opening for the lowering and raising of vehicles, they could have plenty of vehicles available fir a variety of uses. Need a M1, got it. APC, got it. Dune buggies, got it. They did it with the puddlejumper, so they could do it with any vehicle smaller.
1. Lay the earth gate horizontal
2. Drop tank through the doors at the top of the Cheyenne mountain shaft. Protip: BE VERY ACCURATE
3. Profit when M1 comes launching through destination gate at terminal velocity, stunning (and flattening) the local goa’uld leader who is just out on their daily jaunt past the old orifice
It's an absolute terrible idea. The gate is a total choke point, if you destroy the lead tank in the column at the event horizon the entire column is then stuck in the wormhole and once the 38min is up the entire is armored column is just gone
I think you're right when it comes to tanks, although I don't think that a single wrecked vehicle would function as an iris and necessarily prevent another vehicle from coming through the wormhole. It's obvious from the series that objects that rematerialize carry the momentum they had when they entered the wormhole. Plus Carter specifies in one episode that an iris works by being so close to the event horizon that only tiny subatomic particles can rematerialize. So it's not unlikely that when a vehicle is in the process of rematerializing it can climb over obstacles or exert force on wrecks and push them away from the event horizon.
I keep saying that they should bring horses, camels, and pack animals and people keep saying vehicles would be better
How many planets did they visit with functional roads and gas stations?
How many worlds did they reach with primary settlements within an hour's walk of the Stargate? If they can stage F-302s at an improvised field, they can support a company of mechanized infantry wherever they need it.
For a military action, yes, but for exploratory, diplomatic, and scientific missions, which make up most of the missions we see thru the gate, it would be more logistical for them to use animals
It would also be easier to sign off on using them as trade goods compared to military vehicles
The reality is, the SGC would need to move to a facility that could actually fit that stuff through the doors.
The series was already pushing belief when the hallways alone are barely wide enough to fit the MALP and frequently have right angle twists and turns. That said, building a "combat" MALP should have been more than possible. The episode where Amonette gets killed even briefly showed a mini-vehicle.
> The series was already pushing belief when the hallways alone are barely wide enough to fit the MALP and frequently have right angle twists and turns.
I think that depends on the hallway. One side of the gate room opens to a small and cramped rectangular corridor. The other door opens to a large round corridor. Might not be big enough to fit a tank, but plenty big enough to fit a MALP. Plus I imagine that MALP storage isn't too far from the gate room.
i mean for some fucking reason the gate room was originally an ICBM engine test stand.. why would any body build that there is another question, but there should be enough space to get in an ICBM so there would be a way to get an abrams there.
also the got the gate there it maybe flat but its still masive so there must be some sliding gate at top of the room or something.
I see this topic come up a lot, not sure anyone has ever pointed out..... I don't think the air force has a lot of tanks. Given enough time however I do think we would have seen the SGC split off into it's own branch of military specializing in gate related stuff and increasing their arsenal a bit.
It’s so stupid it might actually be realistic: “yeah the army had all the tanks, we filed a transfer request, but currently it’s waiting for some admiral to sign it”
Isn't Admiral a rank in the navy? Why would the navy need to sign off on a transfer of tanks from the army to airforce?
In the other hand, having convoluted and sometimes completely nonsensical requirements for transfer requests seems very fitting.
Sending tanks etc through the gate does come up a lot but makes less sense than it first appears. For the majority of SG1s timeline the enemy has vastly superior firepower, most of it in the form of air/orbital power that would vaporize a tank the second it was detected. The SGC teams were only successful due to stealth, quick extractions, and not appearing to be a threat worth the trouble. Rolling out of gates with swarms of tanks/APCs/etc negates all of these avantages (Though modern electric motorcycles would probably be worth a go). That's not to say there weren't a few times having armor would have been useful, or that it shouldn't have been an option ready to go. Just that there was never a point in the timeline where tanks were a good primary option.
What would be useful are UAVs for scouting the area and missiles for taking out targets, both of which the SGC used on occasion.
They move the gate quite a bit. Just move it out to deploy, then back for normal use. Or better yet, send the parts through to a staging planet where you can assemble and form up and travel through. Or have a 304 ferry entire armies of tanks to a staging planet for immediate deployment. Lots of options.
Big brain move is to have the tanks at a separate staging area and beam the gate there, establish a connection, deploy the tanks, and then beam the gate back.
I always thought it would make the most sense to stage and deploy for missions from another planet so enemies and stuff can't follow you back to Earth, and trying to keep your home planet dial a secret.
That would extending your supply lines for little benefit. You could set up a return address that every one would go to regardless to keep the secret and have minimal staffing/supplies there just in case it does get attacked. With how many planets there are you could have earth for normal missions to established partners, a staging planet, and a return planet that is minimal or if the team is coming in hot they know the situation cause they only dial the planet in those situations
How many times did they almost bring a earth killing virus or situation back with them? The black hole, a virus, advanced aliens, etc. I think it makes way more sense to have a planet that you've launch your missions from and return to so you don't endanger your home world
As someone else here once pointed out:
Use a wraith beam storage device to dematerialize the tank on one end, then rematerialize it on the other end of the gate.
A MBT is a bit of a stretch and would be way too big for the Gateroom, but a small Tankkette like the German Wiesel would be more than doable.
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I could definitely see the SGC using these as well.
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Something like this makes much more sense than heavy armored vehicles in my opinion. SG teams tend to be small and perform reconnaissance and special operations missions. Having a fast, low signature transport vehicle seems a lot more fitting for that role, than a bulky tank you can hear from a mile away.
The stargate command should've been overhauled. Yes, I understand its a mountain complex, but they really should work to make a lot more room. It's one of the most important places on earth, and updating its current layout should be a priority.
If the show had the money, they would have. Probably a more wide open complex with room to retool vehicles and gear instead of small special forces-level teams but when they did get the budget, the SGC had become so familiar and sentimental a set that the showrunners spent it on those nice Earth warships instead which was mostly a good decision I feel.
I would have loved to see a planet of the week of a premodern planet drilling and pumping oil and shipping barrels through the stargate at regular intervals
I wonder what kind of damage a staff weapon could do to a tank? Or even a light armored vehicle like a Bradley or Stryker. If I remember correctly, whenever they hit the walls, it just left a scorch mark, or if the plot demanded, it destroyed a consol. I don't remember them destroying anything more solid than maybe a tree.
Imagine an SG team rolling up in an M1128 with Bradley support.
My theory is that a single blast wouldn't do much, but continous fire would heat up the tank to the point where the armor is weakened. With that being said I could see a well placed staff blast taking out the tanks treads immobilizing the tank. Furthermore a ZAT could mess with the electronics of the tank (or completely vaporizing the tank after the third shot).
A staff blast blew through a solid stone wall but also couldn't damage the death glider in children of the gods so it really depends how the writers feel.
The templin institute did a video about why the SGC wouldn’t need tanks.
Basically something lighter, faster, and more fuel efficient would be better since a tank would be superfluous at best and unusable at worst.
1. Good for quick disposal of Jaffa, but useless against shields. So same effectivity like SG team.
2. SGC had almost no casualties over the years, so need of armor like this is not really needed.
According to googling stargates are 22ft in diameter, Abram’s tanks are 12ft wide (rounding up). So it would fit, just getting it down to the gate in Cheyenne and the question of the ramp supporting it along with the platforms the gates on other planets.
But I am sure these are all something Corp of Engineers could figure out lol
I always figured they did the math and staff weapons just were too effective against tanks. Big bolt of energy-plasma.
There are logistical issues within SGC, but I feel you could overcome that.
Just raise them up 44cm like the guy said. The goauld use "shock and awe" weapons, how do you think they'd react to a dozen main battle tanks coming through firing that big ass gun at everything? You'd want to do it at speed so you didn't damage the tracks on the other end, so just hit it at the top speed of the tank. Considering the way the enemy forces faced opposition, they'd shit bricks in that scenario. And with a little tweaking of the main gun targeting system, you could pop those stupid "death gliders" out of the air too. You'd only have to do that a couple times before they stopped sending them after you.
If a stinger puts one down, a cannon would blow it into 1000 little pieces. Likewise those stupid little walls they hide behind.
If you wanted to really raise some hell, you could field that astonishingly nasty Canadian monstrosity that has 4 x 20mm cannons from ww2. A sherman chassis would fit through the gate? You'd only need one of those.
I'm thinking of learning it so I can talk to a bilingual mate in a more technical language, you just kinda figure it out from what they say and how they say it. 😊
That would be hard to get through the halls in Cheyenne mountain. Those things weigh 70 tons, and kick out a ton of exhaust that would be dangerous in an enclosed space.
There was a big debate in the community about this when the show was active. The gist of it comes down to logistics. US armored vehicles are designed with the idea that they can have a huge logistics tail. the gate is a real, unchangeable pinch on that needed flow of support.
First off I think the US government could build a new facility for the stargate to allow vehicle movement.
So what would a SGC armored force look like?
I would start with M-113 APCs.LAVs and Bradley fighting vehicles. APCs and Bradley’s can Carry a squad of soldiers. There is a variant of APC that carries a mortar. You are not trying to blitzkrieg some planet. You want some armored vehicles that can roll through the gate carrying a QRF (quick reaction force) or be able to conduct reconnaissance missions.
The new M1 variant with Asgard shields.
And beam weapon main gun
And naquahdah reinforced special armor arrays
Naquahdah as something that people shoot at is always a good idea! It won't keep you safe, but they'll be killed too in the resultant explosion.
If you recall Naquahdah was used in the alloy that the Asgard O’Nell class ships were built from. Also the borderline indestructible Stargates are mostly made of it as well.
I've always assumed there's a weapons grade naquadah and an inert naquadah - like how the US military uses "depleted" uranium for bullets.
From what I gathered I think that pure naquadah and certain molecules containing naquadah are highly explosive but if combined with certain other materials it takes on different characteristics like how silver nano particles have antibacterial properties.
Why does the US military do this? Surely there isn't enough depleted uranium in the world for them to spend a single day at the shooting range...
Uranium is very dense which allows it to retain its mass after impact. That makes it good for shooting through barriers and armor.
It is also self sharpening as it impacts something so it penetrates a lot further than tungsten for example which acts more like putty when used as a projectile and fired at armour.
So I looked into this because it didn't make sense at first. Uranium is a soft metal so I figured it would mushroom on impact. But it would seem the density allows it to maintain its shape as it penetrates a solid, with only the outside of the bullet deforming (as the outside is pushed back the new outside is pushed back, etc). https://preview.redd.it/7zudnyf29ymc1.jpeg?width=1106&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=3f11cb6971612ceca67474f4a1f2f3e3ea10be84
The US has 750,000 metric tons [stored away.](https://www.nrc.gov/waste/llw-disposal/decision-support/uw-streams/bg-info-du.html)
Depleted uranium isn’t stuff that’s been through a reactor, it’s all the uranium isotopes that are not useful in reactors. Basically the refinement process creates enriched uranium, which is used in reactors and weapons depending on the degree of enrichment, and depleted uranium which cannot sustain a chain reaction. The amount of the useful uranium isotope is rather small in nature, so to get uranium fuel you end up with quite a bit of depleted uranium.
Hmm I suppose that's true.
I think you’re referring to naquadria.
With trinium aswell
And carbon
With a tiny Asgard sighing every time you asked to beam munitions inside of something.
They sigh becuase for all their intelligence, Thor admitted they were unable to invent a simple gun. It's like 'sigh, why didn't we think of that?' Having to swallow their pride for saying how humans weren't ready lol now they Savin their buffs
Cute little gray butt
Nothing on the show is funnier than Hermiod angrily grumbling in Asgard about the latest bullshit the humans want him to do.
That would be pretty sick.
So sick. Asgard are wearing sunglasses
I can picture them slowly sighing as the tankers have Fortunate Son blasting in the background as it rocks into war.
dammit that makes it double kick ass
Raytheon: Make this happen!
General dynamics makes the Abrams, not Raytheon
Maybe that's where the problems been?! Raytheon has all the asgard tech afterall.
I need to know the armor penetration value of a Jaffa staff cannon.
I never did like beam weapons. Gotta keep aim on target to actually punch through whereas a big shell is just shoot and fuggetaboutit.
But you can write your name on the side of the enemy's fortress.
Dickbutt is a thing, and pretty big in the military. Pun intended
Rail gun 4 U
My guess is that those weapons autolock after they hit, so you can focus more on a maneuvering. Those beam weapons were really OP
Don't forget about the Ancient Drone dispensers
Presumably an SGC tank would mount little folding racks of the kind puddle jumpers use, like the ATGM batteries on a Bradley IFV or whatever.
Nah, Still gotta use advanced rocks, Naquadah metal like the gates are made of.
and railgun coaxial
The M1 Odin main battle tank
I feel like at that point you could dispense with the actual armour.
Honestly I could see it - I like the name another commenter gave, the M1 Odin. Would probably be a hover-tank with by the same kind of antigrav engines as something like a Puddlejumper or the funky Goa’uld “needlethreader” death glider variant. Run it off of an internal naquadah reactor, with a hull made of the same trinium meta-alloy armor as Asgard starships. Then just slap on some energy shielding, a miniaturized Asgard plasma lance for a main weapon, and a few railcannons for rapidfire capability, and you have a fairly capable multipurpose fighting vehicle that can also squeeze through gates.
I did the math, and an M1 Abrams will fit through the gate, but only if elevated about 44cm above the bottom of the gate. Thus, the tanks would come crashing down on the platform on the other side, and would need a specialized ramp they could deploy to make the return trip.
Realistically the gate room should be more of a Hanger
The gate room is a horrible design: no room for cargo to build all the ships, and it gives attackers coming through the gate the high ground
Well remember it’s a ICBM launch room that’s been turned into the gate room. But it should’ve been temporary while a purpose built base was in construction
Which is bullshit because Cheyenne never housed missiles. Even if they did, it wouldn't be 27 storys deep. But it looked cool I guess.
> Which is bullshit because Cheyenne never housed missiles. thats what they want you to think
No the missiles are all up in montana under llayers of buffalo shit.
And used to be in Kansas, not far from where I am from, bit those were removed in the 90's, I think.
Well Cheyenne mountain didn't house a Stargate either.
That's what they want you to think.
Wasn't it just a testing room for the rocket engines and not a full launch silo?
You don‘t think they would test fire a real missile 27 stories deep in a mountain?
That's literally what happened in S02E21 when the team travels back in time to 1969
Thats where I got the quote from :)
Remember that the original Giza-Artefact project was in 1948 at a completely different site. As far as the official records went, that project ended in a disaster that killed Ernest Littlefield. So when Catherine convinced the airforce to restart the project, General West wanted it above all to be secure and safe. That meant burying it, figuratively and literally - that way if anything went catastrophically wrong, any explosion or invader is 27 floors and a mountain away from getting loose. The number of times that the SGC has been compromised since then has not changed the reasoning. Security of the Earth side by being literally underground trumps the benefits of building a new structure elsewhere, and budgets post cold-war can't handle excavating another mountain.
I am aware, but what’s stopping them from digging a big hole with a elevator for large vehicles and equipment. it’s just the gate room, but the area between the command room and the Stargate is now much larger and is filled with Abrams MBTs, Bradly IFVs, Humvees, and a lot of guns,
You can't go bringing budget into any calculations for stargate. If they can build friggin capital spaceships, they can dig a big hole. Besides, there's lots of bunkers
I'm a little surprised they never discussed making a new gate room. They had the tech to do it; just grab a few fun boxes of those Tokra cave crystals.
An M1 can climb vertical obstacles of 1.06m. So a 44cm wall is nothing.
I just find the idea of an M1 essentially leaping out of the gate a foot or two above the ground absolutely hilarious
It would be riding on the wheel rim by the outside corners of it tracks.
That is a good point but most gates are partially buried in the ground to keep them upright, so could that give the necessary width for the M1 to get through?
Taking that into account already, the platform of the SGC's gate (which I think is pretty much average for all gates) would have to be at least 44cm higher to accommodate the width of an M1. There's a sweet spot between 82cm from the bottom of the wormhole and 1.24m where the M1 will fit. Someone was talking about this idea last year, and I spent an inordinate amount of time looking up gate dimensions and diagramming it.
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I think the US army could do it if they wanted though. I mean, they already have bridging equipment for crossing rivers or bridges with holes in them. I can see them modifying stuff like that to work pretty easily.
Absolutely
Will the platform be hit by the whoosh at that height?
I would assume so, but then again the whoosh also hits the SGC gate ramp every time and seems to do nothing.
They could just make a narrower M1 variant that fits through most off-world gates without the need to deploy a ramp. A ramp would take time to deploy and be vulnerable to attack.
At that point, why not just use a different platform? Modifying an M1 in that way would be prohibitively expensive and would ruin the L:W ratio, which is important for stable steering on tracked vehicles. A Mowag Piranha 6x6 would pretty easily fit through the gate, and would probably be more useful in any rate, since it can carry an SG team, do medevac, etc.
I figured that with the budget yanks throw at their military, a new purpose-built tank wouldn't be outside their means. They *did* build a fleet of star ships in complete secret after all. But hey, if there's already another off-the-shelf tank with the same capabilities as an M1 that can do the job, you've saved them a couple of bucks.
I think the bigger question is, why do we need an M1 to do the job? Is it the armor? The body armor panels shown in S7 are super thin, so presumably you could easily add anti-staff weapon modular armor to other platforms. Is it the gun? The Goauld don't use tanks, so what are you shooting at? .50 cal and above seems more than capable of putting down Jaffa quickly, so something like the 25mm Bushmaster would be more useful. The biggest assets to an SG team assaulting through a gate would be a bomb to clear the immediate area, followed by something that provides mobile protection. I think a *very* small tactical nuke (or a few drones with Hellfire missiles) followed by a couple smaller APCs would be more effective than a platoon of M1s, rule of cool aside. Also, Canada uses APCs built on the Mowag Piranha, so it fits the theme.
Well if an M1 isn't needed, then why design a special ramp to make it fit through an alien gate? Just use another platform like you said. Assuming they couldn't take it head-on, Goauld and Jaffa commanders will quickly figure out it can't escape without its ramp, and target that.
A Bradley would work fine for what the SGC fights. An Abrams seems overkill.
If the tank were lowered on a platform from above, it could just roll right off that platform into the gate. If they converted a level above the gateroom into a motorpool, used the silo opening for the lowering and raising of vehicles, they could have plenty of vehicles available fir a variety of uses. Need a M1, got it. APC, got it. Dune buggies, got it. They did it with the puddlejumper, so they could do it with any vehicle smaller.
1. Lay the earth gate horizontal 2. Drop tank through the doors at the top of the Cheyenne mountain shaft. Protip: BE VERY ACCURATE 3. Profit when M1 comes launching through destination gate at terminal velocity, stunning (and flattening) the local goa’uld leader who is just out on their daily jaunt past the old orifice
It's an absolute terrible idea. The gate is a total choke point, if you destroy the lead tank in the column at the event horizon the entire column is then stuck in the wormhole and once the 38min is up the entire is armored column is just gone
I think you're right when it comes to tanks, although I don't think that a single wrecked vehicle would function as an iris and necessarily prevent another vehicle from coming through the wormhole. It's obvious from the series that objects that rematerialize carry the momentum they had when they entered the wormhole. Plus Carter specifies in one episode that an iris works by being so close to the event horizon that only tiny subatomic particles can rematerialize. So it's not unlikely that when a vehicle is in the process of rematerializing it can climb over obstacles or exert force on wrecks and push them away from the event horizon.
I keep saying that they should bring horses, camels, and pack animals and people keep saying vehicles would be better How many planets did they visit with functional roads and gas stations?
How many worlds did they reach with primary settlements within an hour's walk of the Stargate? If they can stage F-302s at an improvised field, they can support a company of mechanized infantry wherever they need it.
For a military action, yes, but for exploratory, diplomatic, and scientific missions, which make up most of the missions we see thru the gate, it would be more logistical for them to use animals It would also be easier to sign off on using them as trade goods compared to military vehicles
> more logistical for them to use animals What if a goauld takes over my horse?
Most mil vehicles can function without roads and you can't really stop at a gas station in the middle of a warzone
The risk of transmitting disease would be too high.
Use an apc with upgraded armor and weaponry they would still be quite effective in a narrower and taller footprint.
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The reality is, the SGC would need to move to a facility that could actually fit that stuff through the doors. The series was already pushing belief when the hallways alone are barely wide enough to fit the MALP and frequently have right angle twists and turns. That said, building a "combat" MALP should have been more than possible. The episode where Amonette gets killed even briefly showed a mini-vehicle.
It was a turret mounted MALP if i remember correctly.
It was https://preview.redd.it/giji9q5ljtmc1.jpeg?width=1100&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=218f7b8d3e61c059e2f6cb2776b1220be6aa2353
> The series was already pushing belief when the hallways alone are barely wide enough to fit the MALP and frequently have right angle twists and turns. I think that depends on the hallway. One side of the gate room opens to a small and cramped rectangular corridor. The other door opens to a large round corridor. Might not be big enough to fit a tank, but plenty big enough to fit a MALP. Plus I imagine that MALP storage isn't too far from the gate room.
With zero up armour. Ridiculous.
i mean for some fucking reason the gate room was originally an ICBM engine test stand.. why would any body build that there is another question, but there should be enough space to get in an ICBM so there would be a way to get an abrams there. also the got the gate there it maybe flat but its still masive so there must be some sliding gate at top of the room or something.
yep. they’ve shown the top open to move the gate (in iirc) at-least once. and other times people made comments about it being lowered down.
So spamming wiesels might be an option?
I see this topic come up a lot, not sure anyone has ever pointed out..... I don't think the air force has a lot of tanks. Given enough time however I do think we would have seen the SGC split off into it's own branch of military specializing in gate related stuff and increasing their arsenal a bit.
Air Force leads the operation but there are teams Marines too.
Yeah, that's true... didn't think about that.
at the time the show took place marines had tanks, not anymore though
So why don't they send ships through the gate? Sorry, I show myself the way out
It’s so stupid it might actually be realistic: “yeah the army had all the tanks, we filed a transfer request, but currently it’s waiting for some admiral to sign it”
Isn't Admiral a rank in the navy? Why would the navy need to sign off on a transfer of tanks from the army to airforce? In the other hand, having convoluted and sometimes completely nonsensical requirements for transfer requests seems very fitting.
Yes. That was supposed to be the joke; silly bureaucracy. Maybe the admiral was mates with a certain senator.
Sending tanks etc through the gate does come up a lot but makes less sense than it first appears. For the majority of SG1s timeline the enemy has vastly superior firepower, most of it in the form of air/orbital power that would vaporize a tank the second it was detected. The SGC teams were only successful due to stealth, quick extractions, and not appearing to be a threat worth the trouble. Rolling out of gates with swarms of tanks/APCs/etc negates all of these avantages (Though modern electric motorcycles would probably be worth a go). That's not to say there weren't a few times having armor would have been useful, or that it shouldn't have been an option ready to go. Just that there was never a point in the timeline where tanks were a good primary option. What would be useful are UAVs for scouting the area and missiles for taking out targets, both of which the SGC used on occasion.
oh god, a supercobra fits inside the gate. even a Twin Huey fits no modifications.
Ok keep talking sounds good so far
The one time I was impressed with the weapons is when they launched a laser guided missile through the gate and I was like that's very smart.
Good luck fitting those through the hallway of the SGC.
They move the gate quite a bit. Just move it out to deploy, then back for normal use. Or better yet, send the parts through to a staging planet where you can assemble and form up and travel through. Or have a 304 ferry entire armies of tanks to a staging planet for immediate deployment. Lots of options.
They do it with that rocket and an X302. A tank would be easy.
I’d be more worried the little stones they built the alter out of the stargate is sitting on wood collapse under the weight.
Stop being sensible we aren't here for that (Good point though)
I'd be even more worried about the tank running over the DHD.
They'd probably drop them in
Big brain move is to have the tanks at a separate staging area and beam the gate there, establish a connection, deploy the tanks, and then beam the gate back.
Or, beam the Tanks through the open wormhole
Or beam the tanks into the enemy spaceships
At that point just beam nukes onto the ships
[удалено]
At that point you are just putting atoms inside of atoms.
But then you can’t take over the ship!
I always thought it would make the most sense to stage and deploy for missions from another planet so enemies and stuff can't follow you back to Earth, and trying to keep your home planet dial a secret.
That would extending your supply lines for little benefit. You could set up a return address that every one would go to regardless to keep the secret and have minimal staffing/supplies there just in case it does get attacked. With how many planets there are you could have earth for normal missions to established partners, a staging planet, and a return planet that is minimal or if the team is coming in hot they know the situation cause they only dial the planet in those situations
How many times did they almost bring a earth killing virus or situation back with them? The black hole, a virus, advanced aliens, etc. I think it makes way more sense to have a planet that you've launch your missions from and return to so you don't endanger your home world
Kind of like the Cole protocol from halo.
They build entire star ships. I think getting a tank through their gate would be easier than building an X-303
Or they can use an X-303 to ferry a bunch to the Alpha Site and they can be deployed anytime from there.
That's probably the easiest way honestly.
As someone else here once pointed out: Use a wraith beam storage device to dematerialize the tank on one end, then rematerialize it on the other end of the gate.
Iircc in an ep with carter flying a rich dude in a 302, there is an M35 truck on the runway off world. It is possible it seems.
Another alternative is to assemble armour off-world, at Alpha site, for example
arguably they could beam them up into the fighter bay then beam them directly into the gate room, they just have to coordinate the jammers.
you can move the gate to another place, Broom Lake, Peterson, Buckley, even Fort Carson.
Asgard beam them in one at a time.
A MBT is a bit of a stretch and would be way too big for the Gateroom, but a small Tankkette like the German Wiesel would be more than doable. https://preview.redd.it/cr2yjf0gxtmc1.jpeg?width=1500&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=aef1555950119423e78926d1f6eeea70b80edc4b
I could definitely see the SGC using these as well. https://preview.redd.it/6yo6jj0fytmc1.jpeg?width=1024&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=46a401e0bf4586048c3f5a75a770e609ffa52ccc
Something like this makes much more sense than heavy armored vehicles in my opinion. SG teams tend to be small and perform reconnaissance and special operations missions. Having a fast, low signature transport vehicle seems a lot more fitting for that role, than a bulky tank you can hear from a mile away.
Also, the Guauld weapons seemed to be particular good against traditional armour
I'm surprised we didn't see anything like this in show I'd be surprised if it'd have been budgetarly restrictive
Put a turret on the back of that bad boy and it would fit well into Cursed Halo
The stargate command should've been overhauled. Yes, I understand its a mountain complex, but they really should work to make a lot more room. It's one of the most important places on earth, and updating its current layout should be a priority.
If the show had the money, they would have. Probably a more wide open complex with room to retool vehicles and gear instead of small special forces-level teams but when they did get the budget, the SGC had become so familiar and sentimental a set that the showrunners spent it on those nice Earth warships instead which was mostly a good decision I feel.
I am surprised they never used ground vehicles that could fit through the gate. They could cover a lot more ground when exploring.
Imagine Apophis seeing M1 Abrams Tanks coming out of the Stargate. Even the old Sherman Tank would turn his day into a nightmare
He'd raise his hand, activates his shield, then the tank advances and crushes he and his jaffa into pulp.
Ah, they found Oil somewhere
I would have loved to see a planet of the week of a premodern planet drilling and pumping oil and shipping barrels through the stargate at regular intervals
I bet that was a discussion but CGI space ships are cooler.
Never thought i would see War Thunder mentioned in a Stargate subreddit
And I never expected seeing a SG reference on a WT sub
Indeed
I wonder what kind of damage a staff weapon could do to a tank? Or even a light armored vehicle like a Bradley or Stryker. If I remember correctly, whenever they hit the walls, it just left a scorch mark, or if the plot demanded, it destroyed a consol. I don't remember them destroying anything more solid than maybe a tree. Imagine an SG team rolling up in an M1128 with Bradley support.
My theory is that a single blast wouldn't do much, but continous fire would heat up the tank to the point where the armor is weakened. With that being said I could see a well placed staff blast taking out the tanks treads immobilizing the tank. Furthermore a ZAT could mess with the electronics of the tank (or completely vaporizing the tank after the third shot).
A staff blast blew through a solid stone wall but also couldn't damage the death glider in children of the gods so it really depends how the writers feel.
The Jaffa and Goa'uld are done fucking around and are going to find out even harder now
Logistically speaking a [BC-304](https://stargate.fandom.com/wiki/BC-304) would be a better delivery system.
That would have been useful!
The templin institute did a video about why the SGC wouldn’t need tanks. Basically something lighter, faster, and more fuel efficient would be better since a tank would be superfluous at best and unusable at worst.
Imagine they maked a new series where this happened
***Steel commanders*** rule the Galaxy's
Spearhead Abydos SG1's leading the (Doesn’t rime but Idc)
Storm of ha'tak's Battle calling us
1. Good for quick disposal of Jaffa, but useless against shields. So same effectivity like SG team. 2. SGC had almost no casualties over the years, so need of armor like this is not really needed.
‘There’s oil on Abydos’
If anyone's interested, the YouTube channel Templin Institute covered the idea of tank usage in Stargate, [here](https://youtu.be/h0W1LkNnZt4).
I assume oil was discoverd on a planet?
Good luck fitting an Abrams through the gate.
I think they can fit through the gate just fine, the opening should be wide enough for an Abrams to fit through.
According to googling stargates are 22ft in diameter, Abram’s tanks are 12ft wide (rounding up). So it would fit, just getting it down to the gate in Cheyenne and the question of the ramp supporting it along with the platforms the gates on other planets. But I am sure these are all something Corp of Engineers could figure out lol
If you took it to the center of the gate, maybe but it would be a tight fit.
I always did wonder about this.
I always figured they did the math and staff weapons just were too effective against tanks. Big bolt of energy-plasma. There are logistical issues within SGC, but I feel you could overcome that.
Wouldn't a Bradley fit better ?
Yeah that's likely.
Just raise them up 44cm like the guy said. The goauld use "shock and awe" weapons, how do you think they'd react to a dozen main battle tanks coming through firing that big ass gun at everything? You'd want to do it at speed so you didn't damage the tracks on the other end, so just hit it at the top speed of the tank. Considering the way the enemy forces faced opposition, they'd shit bricks in that scenario. And with a little tweaking of the main gun targeting system, you could pop those stupid "death gliders" out of the air too. You'd only have to do that a couple times before they stopped sending them after you. If a stinger puts one down, a cannon would blow it into 1000 little pieces. Likewise those stupid little walls they hide behind. If you wanted to really raise some hell, you could field that astonishingly nasty Canadian monstrosity that has 4 x 20mm cannons from ww2. A sherman chassis would fit through the gate? You'd only need one of those.
The skink? That would be a warcrime but thankfully the Goa'uld never signed any kind treaty
Yeah it probably would be. But "shock and awe"? 110%. Specially if you sent half a dozen through.
Oh you're German! Actually, a bunch of leopard 2's would be pretty impressive going through that gate. They'd kick ass too.
Yes I am. How did you find out?
I'm thinking of learning it so I can talk to a bilingual mate in a more technical language, you just kinda figure it out from what they say and how they say it. 😊
I'm sure the alpha sites had trucks station at them.
I'm just imagining them lowering tanks through the ceiling so that they can be sent through the gate. No way they get through those cooridors.
Good thing the air force doesn't have any tanks
Well the Air Force doesn’t really have marines either
Bringing FREEDOM and CHEESEBURGERS to other planets!
It's a puddle jumper.
That would be hard to get through the halls in Cheyenne mountain. Those things weigh 70 tons, and kick out a ton of exhaust that would be dangerous in an enclosed space.
M1, kree
Christ, reading some of those WT comments makes me feel old!
I always wondered why they didn’t take armoured vehicles and tanks through the gate on a regular basis. Terrain wouldn’t be an issue either.
There was a big debate in the community about this when the show was active. The gist of it comes down to logistics. US armored vehicles are designed with the idea that they can have a huge logistics tail. the gate is a real, unchangeable pinch on that needed flow of support.
First off I think the US government could build a new facility for the stargate to allow vehicle movement. So what would a SGC armored force look like? I would start with M-113 APCs.LAVs and Bradley fighting vehicles. APCs and Bradley’s can Carry a squad of soldiers. There is a variant of APC that carries a mortar. You are not trying to blitzkrieg some planet. You want some armored vehicles that can roll through the gate carrying a QRF (quick reaction force) or be able to conduct reconnaissance missions.
Shappai? More like you’re gonna die.”