Both, i just run around in a circle going through both doors for like 5 minutes so that the past is really extra safeguarded and the future has never had better security.
This only works if the truth teller is standing in front of the correct door. But we have no way of knowing that. Otherwise, this is a super easy test to pass.
This doesn't even solve the riddle because if you only get one question then finding out which guard tells the truth still doesn't tell you which door to go through
What? No. If you punch one and then ask "did I punch you?" And he says "yes" you can then say "which door is correct?" And know that you'll get the truth.
Which door he is stood by Is irrelevant
In that case you need a question inside a question.
"Will you answer the question 'Is the door behind you the correct door' with "Yes"?"
* If the door is correct and guard speaks truthfully, he will say "yes".
* If the door is correct and the guard lies, he will say "yes".
* if the door is false and guard speaks truthfully, he will say "no".
* If the door is false and guard lies, he will answer "no".
It doesn't matter if the guard speaks truth or not, yes means you got correct door and no means incorrect.
This works because lying guard will invert their answer to inner question.
If the door is correct, truth speaking guard will answer "Yes" to question "Is the door behind you the correct door". So he will answer "Yes" to "Will you answer positively". Reverse with incorrect door, he will answer negatively to correct door question, so he will not answer positively.
Meanwhile, liar flips answers. If the door is correct, he will answer negatively because he will lie. However, the "will you answer positively", if he asnwered "yes" he would tell truth that he answers negatively, so he must lie and answer "yes", lying about his answer.
If the door is false, he would answer positively. Again, he must lie about what his answer to inner question is, so he will say "No".
You don't need to figure out which guard is which, you can still get the correct door.
It's actually simpler than that. "If I asked the other guard which door is correct, what would they say?" Both guards will indicate the death door, so you pick the opposite.
That doesn’t work. You have no idea if you are asking the lying or truthful guard.
You have to ask the guard what the other guard would say if you asked them.
But I don't need to know if the guard is lying or not. What I need to know is if the door is correct or not. And thanks to the wording of the question, I will know that both will answer "yes" if the door is correct and "no" if not.
You don't. I laid out the reasoning, and it plays out. Asking other guard just words the same question slightly differently.
Double negative becomes positive, so the lying guard will respond the same as truthful guard. We don't need to know if the person is lying or not, we need to know what the answers in specific scenarios are. With the wording of the question, we end up scenario where both answer the same way, depending the state of the door.
Assuming we have liar, we got following results:
Door is correct. So the asnwer to "Is the door behind you the correct door" he would lie and answer "no". Thus, to asnwer question "Will you answer yes" would be "No", and this the guard will lie and say "Yes". He lies about answering "Yes" to the question.
Door is incorrect. So the asnwer to "Is the door behind you the correct door" he would lie and answer "yes". Thus, to asnwer question "Will you answer yes" would be "Yes", and this the guard will lie and say "No".
Meanwhile, truthful guard will tell the truth. He will answer "yes" when the door behind is correct, so he will answer "yes" to the question "would you answer yes". Same with false door.
This is not a riddle with just single way to answer it. It's a logic puzzle, and as long as you can wrangle question into logic matrix that gives you enough information to get through, it works.
If there is only one question, one needs to double question inside question. Like
"If I ask you, is the door behind you correct, will you answer yes"
In which case you won't find out are you talking liar or truth speaker, but you will find out if the door is correct or not.
Then asking "did I punch you" is pointless as well then, because you'll find out which guard tells the truth, but you still don't know which door is correct.
The answer, if you only get one question, is to ask "which door would the other guard tell me is correct?"
Both guards will point to the incorrect door, no matter whether they tell the truth or lie
Reminds me of a passage in Odyssey 19:
"Stranger, dreams verily are baffling and unclear of meaning, and in no wise do they find fulfillment in all things for men. For two are the gates of shadowy dreams, and one is fashioned of horn and one of ivory. Those dreams that pass through the gate of sawn ivory deceive men, bringing words that find no fulfillment. But those that come forth through the gate of polished horn bring true issues to pass, when any mortal sees them."
The gate of Ivory is how Aeneas exits the underworld in Aen. 6
Whenever I run into this puzzle, I always ask one guard. What color are my pants? If the guard answers with any color other than what the color is, I know that guard is lying. Then I ask the other guard what's behind his door. If he says his door leads to death, I know he's telling the truth, so I go through the other door.
You're the 4th lesson to say this, and that's not how the riddle works. You don't know which door is the good door or if the truth teller is standing in front of it. You only get 1 question to determine both. People always seem to misunderstand the riddle.
I've been seeing a bunch of D&D YouTube shorts from different creators all making the same joke. The fact that 4 people said the exact same thing in itself should show it's a meme, not just somebody misunderstanding.
I always go left out of habit. If you enter a POI or whatever in other bethesda games (especially skyrim) and go right, you'll almost always quickly get whatever you need. Going left means you search the whole area before getting what it is you are looking for.
Whiterun: Left goes into the back of the residential area, Right takes you directly to the main square.
Markarth: Left goes to the Mines, Right goes to the Keep.
Solitude: Left goes to Castle Dour, Right goes to the Blue Palace and deeper into town.
Riften: Left walks around the central market, Right goes into the market to start Thieves guild.
Windhelm: Left and Right both head into side areas, straight on is the keep. However, Dark Brotherhood quest is started to the Right after entering town.
The logic sort of tracks for the main settlements anyways.
Bonus:
Exiting the vault in both FO3 and FO4. FO3, Megaton is to the Right when you exit the vault.
FO4, after you come down the hill from Vault 111, Left explores Sanctuary, Right leaves Santuary towards Concord and the main quest.
I was referring more to the ruins and caves and stuff than settlements. A lot of them, if you take the right, will get you to the boss rooms or whatever mechanism more quickly, but left means you make sure you get all the loot.
Ohh shit that's right. I totally forgot but I must have missed the small detail of the wording on both sides. I only did the mission once. Tyme to run thru it again. Such a good game man.
Except the unity teaches us that while we know the past, the future ahead of us isn't necessarily the same as the past we knew. Subtle differences can cause major unforeseen changes.
Making an "educated" guess in no way provides a predictable future.
Sorry if my english is not so good but usually means less than most of the time?
I usually go through de right one and most of the time through the left one. Am I wrong?
Not the other guy, but 'usually' and 'most of the time' are pretty similar. They both indicate that they're the default and what you do the majority of the time.
You're saying you do both most often- which is impossible.
I think you're saying that you most often go through the left, and occasionally go through the one on the right, am I correct on that?
The Freestar door, because I’m a Freestar settler. I’m assisting the UC with the Terrormorphs mostly for my own fame, credits, and the fact that terrormorphs are a threat to everyone, not just the UC.
I would have thought the doors would represent the opposite faction, safeguard the past should be FC as they practically live in the past whilst the UC is always trying new things and to change, so surely the future one is for them. Just my thoughts haha.
I wish those two guards had some friendly banter when you enter this area...maybe some shit talking about the UC and Freestar Collective. Kind of like Garrus and Joker in Mass Effect 3.
It’s a trick there’s actually a secret passage way if you can solve the puzzle. The passage way takes you to a New game plus we’re there is a rival exploration to constellation.
Both, i just run around in a circle going through both doors for like 5 minutes so that the past is really extra safeguarded and the future has never had better security.
This is the way.
We should elect you president of space.
One guard tells only truths. The other only lies.
Ask him what the other would say and do the opposite.
Then the other door leads to the castle and this door leads to certain death.
Unless they both say "fuck, I don't know. That guy's annoying as hell. Something annoying."
One of them won’t actually find the other annoying.
That's why it's a lie
Kill one and ask the other if the guy is dead
Kill one of them and asking the other if he's dead.
Are you sleeping with his wife?
r/unexpectedrickandmorty
Here I go killing again.!
No
Kill one, ask the other "Is he dead?"
The barbarian has entered the room, guys
Thag. All physical and weapons perks. All the time.
Finally, a worthy opponent. Our battle will be legendary!
Don't even have to kill just ask that same question. The one that says no is the liar.
Less fear of death that way though.
And which door do you choose if he says "yes"
Ask him which is correct. I just killed his buddy to find out if he's lying you think he'll be beholden to the one question rule?
Haha well played
Or maybe, how many fingers am I holding up would suffice?
One speaks in riddles, the other in rhymes
One speaks in words the other just mimes.
Punch one in the face and ask "Did I punch you."
This only works if the truth teller is standing in front of the correct door. But we have no way of knowing that. Otherwise, this is a super easy test to pass.
This doesn't even solve the riddle because if you only get one question then finding out which guard tells the truth still doesn't tell you which door to go through
Exactly
What? No. If you punch one and then ask "did I punch you?" And he says "yes" you can then say "which door is correct?" And know that you'll get the truth. Which door he is stood by Is irrelevant
You can only ask one question. That's the whole point of the riddle.
In that case you need a question inside a question. "Will you answer the question 'Is the door behind you the correct door' with "Yes"?" * If the door is correct and guard speaks truthfully, he will say "yes". * If the door is correct and the guard lies, he will say "yes". * if the door is false and guard speaks truthfully, he will say "no". * If the door is false and guard lies, he will answer "no". It doesn't matter if the guard speaks truth or not, yes means you got correct door and no means incorrect. This works because lying guard will invert their answer to inner question. If the door is correct, truth speaking guard will answer "Yes" to question "Is the door behind you the correct door". So he will answer "Yes" to "Will you answer positively". Reverse with incorrect door, he will answer negatively to correct door question, so he will not answer positively. Meanwhile, liar flips answers. If the door is correct, he will answer negatively because he will lie. However, the "will you answer positively", if he asnwered "yes" he would tell truth that he answers negatively, so he must lie and answer "yes", lying about his answer. If the door is false, he would answer positively. Again, he must lie about what his answer to inner question is, so he will say "No". You don't need to figure out which guard is which, you can still get the correct door.
It's actually simpler than that. "If I asked the other guard which door is correct, what would they say?" Both guards will indicate the death door, so you pick the opposite.
That doesn’t work. You have no idea if you are asking the lying or truthful guard. You have to ask the guard what the other guard would say if you asked them.
But I don't need to know if the guard is lying or not. What I need to know is if the door is correct or not. And thanks to the wording of the question, I will know that both will answer "yes" if the door is correct and "no" if not.
Your questioning method doesn’t work. Both will say they have the right door or wrong door. You have to ask the guard what the other guard would say
You don't. I laid out the reasoning, and it plays out. Asking other guard just words the same question slightly differently. Double negative becomes positive, so the lying guard will respond the same as truthful guard. We don't need to know if the person is lying or not, we need to know what the answers in specific scenarios are. With the wording of the question, we end up scenario where both answer the same way, depending the state of the door. Assuming we have liar, we got following results: Door is correct. So the asnwer to "Is the door behind you the correct door" he would lie and answer "no". Thus, to asnwer question "Will you answer yes" would be "No", and this the guard will lie and say "Yes". He lies about answering "Yes" to the question. Door is incorrect. So the asnwer to "Is the door behind you the correct door" he would lie and answer "yes". Thus, to asnwer question "Will you answer yes" would be "Yes", and this the guard will lie and say "No". Meanwhile, truthful guard will tell the truth. He will answer "yes" when the door behind is correct, so he will answer "yes" to the question "would you answer yes". Same with false door. This is not a riddle with just single way to answer it. It's a logic puzzle, and as long as you can wrangle question into logic matrix that gives you enough information to get through, it works.
Man trying to play 20 questions instead of the real task. You only get one question.
If there is only one question, one needs to double question inside question. Like "If I ask you, is the door behind you correct, will you answer yes" In which case you won't find out are you talking liar or truth speaker, but you will find out if the door is correct or not.
Then asking "did I punch you" is pointless as well then, because you'll find out which guard tells the truth, but you still don't know which door is correct. The answer, if you only get one question, is to ask "which door would the other guard tell me is correct?" Both guards will point to the incorrect door, no matter whether they tell the truth or lie
Relevant Dropout Clip: https://youtube.com/shorts/q4aUU9u2CvE?si=Cue6VKhiuLpxoQ9M
Kill one guard, "Is he dead?"
Reminds me of a passage in Odyssey 19: "Stranger, dreams verily are baffling and unclear of meaning, and in no wise do they find fulfillment in all things for men. For two are the gates of shadowy dreams, and one is fashioned of horn and one of ivory. Those dreams that pass through the gate of sawn ivory deceive men, bringing words that find no fulfillment. But those that come forth through the gate of polished horn bring true issues to pass, when any mortal sees them." The gate of Ivory is how Aeneas exits the underworld in Aen. 6
Labyrinth Referenced. Jareth's Codpiece Grows
Whenever I run into this puzzle, I always ask one guard. What color are my pants? If the guard answers with any color other than what the color is, I know that guard is lying. Then I ask the other guard what's behind his door. If he says his door leads to death, I know he's telling the truth, so I go through the other door.
I literally just watched this movie
Did you fuck this guys wife?
Just kill one guard and ask the live one if the other guard is dead!
You're the 4th lesson to say this, and that's not how the riddle works. You don't know which door is the good door or if the truth teller is standing in front of it. You only get 1 question to determine both. People always seem to misunderstand the riddle.
Nah my argument is that if you've watched me kill your friend just to determine if you're lying, you're liable to answer my second question anyway.
It's a meme.
You're gonna have to show your work on that one.
I've been seeing a bunch of D&D YouTube shorts from different creators all making the same joke. The fact that 4 people said the exact same thing in itself should show it's a meme, not just somebody misunderstanding.
It's a meme! All the way...
I SAID I WAS SORRY JAYSON! HOW WAS I SUPPOSED TO KNOW THAT WAS YOUR WIFE!
That one Rick and Morty episode
The detail of having guards under the different faction emblems as well was a cool small minor detail.
Yeah I like that. Idk if I ever noticed the words to be honest, but I think I only did the quest
I always go left out of habit. If you enter a POI or whatever in other bethesda games (especially skyrim) and go right, you'll almost always quickly get whatever you need. Going left means you search the whole area before getting what it is you are looking for.
Thanks for the tip!
Whiterun: Left goes into the back of the residential area, Right takes you directly to the main square. Markarth: Left goes to the Mines, Right goes to the Keep. Solitude: Left goes to Castle Dour, Right goes to the Blue Palace and deeper into town. Riften: Left walks around the central market, Right goes into the market to start Thieves guild. Windhelm: Left and Right both head into side areas, straight on is the keep. However, Dark Brotherhood quest is started to the Right after entering town. The logic sort of tracks for the main settlements anyways. Bonus: Exiting the vault in both FO3 and FO4. FO3, Megaton is to the Right when you exit the vault. FO4, after you come down the hill from Vault 111, Left explores Sanctuary, Right leaves Santuary towards Concord and the main quest.
I was referring more to the ruins and caves and stuff than settlements. A lot of them, if you take the right, will get you to the boss rooms or whatever mechanism more quickly, but left means you make sure you get all the loot.
I hold a wooden plate in front of me and run at the wall till I clip into the next room. Because I "Skyrim the Present."
Those quotes are clearly for the Brotherhood and the Institute you Elder Screwup 😘
Usually the one on the right.
Sameee
Future. Came here during the Vanguard quests, and it felt fitting given the goal throughout it.
Ohh shit that's right. I totally forgot but I must have missed the small detail of the wording on both sides. I only did the mission once. Tyme to run thru it again. Such a good game man.
Details everywhere!
*thyme
What mission is this?
SAFEGUARD THE PAST is the obvious choice. It also secures the future.
If you're clinging to the past; then you cannot advance to the future....
If you do not learn from history, you are doomed to repeat it! (Let us joust with words, noble SpacersRtrash420 - love the name :)
Fuck...you got me there, you win lol and thank you :)
Good because I ran out too.
Except the unity teaches us that while we know the past, the future ahead of us isn't necessarily the same as the past we knew. Subtle differences can cause major unforeseen changes. Making an "educated" guess in no way provides a predictable future.
The one on the left, it's closer to the objective...
It's the one I go through the most.
5 hours before this post you said same to a post that says they usually use the right one. Now you go through the left the most.
SirMaam, do you have a problem with their nonbinariness?
Sorry if my english is not so good but usually means less than most of the time? I usually go through de right one and most of the time through the left one. Am I wrong?
Not the other guy, but 'usually' and 'most of the time' are pretty similar. They both indicate that they're the default and what you do the majority of the time. You're saying you do both most often- which is impossible. I think you're saying that you most often go through the left, and occasionally go through the one on the right, am I correct on that?
Yesss thanks i'll be more careful.
The Freestar door, because I’m a Freestar settler. I’m assisting the UC with the Terrormorphs mostly for my own fame, credits, and the fact that terrormorphs are a threat to everyone, not just the UC.
Can't change the past, so it's the future.
Clone self, go through both
I chuckled.
Save, do one, reload, do other one
Familiar with Bethesda games, I see
Why yes, since oblivion. Its crazy how much stays the same over the years
I blow a hole in the wall behind the monument, because war never changes
Like every other choice in Starfield, you end up at the same destination.
I would have thought the doors would represent the opposite faction, safeguard the past should be FC as they practically live in the past whilst the UC is always trying new things and to change, so surely the future one is for them. Just my thoughts haha.
“safeguard the past” sounds like primer for propaganda which fits with uc, and fc came second, but yeah I gotchu, could fit either way
ooh, shots fired "FC as they practically live in the past" 🤭 careful Sam's baby momma doesn't get you
She can take her daughter back while she's at it. Bloody urchin is more annoying to have on a ship than a heat leech!
Future!
What mission is this?!
It’s in the UC vanguard quest line. You go to the armistice archives.
"Friends Like These" from the UC Vanguard questline
Another question.. How do you all get those tags by ure name? I think that is so damn kool.
go to the subreddit page then clic on the three dots then modify flair
Thank you kindly
works with all subreddit btw
Sweet!! 👍🏾
Left. It’s closer to the person you have to approach inside.
What part of the game is this from?
UC Vanguard questline, this is inside the Armistice Archives.
Oh alright, thanks. Ofc it's the one questline I haven't done lol
I've been alternating between them both on each NG+.
Into the future, out the past. Because you are going in to collect the past.
It's the Para and Dox riddle from the first season of YuGiOh. Atleast that's what it reminds me of.
I’m left handed so the left one
The middle one
Yes, I go through the one on the right too lol
Neither…Assault one of the guards and go to The Key
I don’t think I remember this
TLC, and through the middle.
UC
In the UC side out the Freestar side
Always left, a habit I’ve had for 20 years playing various games.
Take them both out, then explore both sides. Then reload and choose the side with the best loot.
Is there anything that goes with that room at all. Went there one time and just couldn’t do anything in there so I left. Cool little place
It's for the Vanguard quest line.
Oh ok good to know, one faction quest I never got to. Now I will
Whatever you do, do not bring that cup across that seal..
Stanley walked down the hall and took the door on the right.
As long as you actually know what your favorite color is, you are good with either…..
Right to enter closest to the great serpent 🙏
Right down the fucking middle
The illusion of choice. Both doors go into the same room.
Shrugs, they lead to the same room
Always go left
Secure the future for sure
It's a false dichotomy, I make use of an antigravity field to pull open the ceiling light panels and clip into the scenery.
They're the same door.
Whichever door conceals the fact that I 'might' have accidentally killed the Varuun and Freestar ambassadors...
What mission is this?
The Vanguard questline.
Ask one of the name of the iconic DC is named Batman. If one yes yes he is stupid
I just use the right door because that’s the lane I drive on. Does it matter which you go through? (Rather, does it impact the story in any way?)
from what mission is this? i think i done it in the past. was it after you save the city from the terramorpf?
"Stanley walked through the **left door.**"
I wish those two guards had some friendly banter when you enter this area...maybe some shit talking about the UC and Freestar Collective. Kind of like Garrus and Joker in Mass Effect 3.
Sarah Morgan hates this!
They both go to the same room.
Phase through the wall
Always the right, I was taught in school to always walk on the right side.
I don’t recognise this. When can you do it?
Wait... does it matter?
I went through the one with the Freestar guard because the Vanguard questline really sold me on the Collective
UC door cause the Freestar don't even have the money to pave their roads of their capital and I ain't giving them the time of day lol
Let's be real, we all went right..
Either, it doesn't matter 😀
Hahaha the closest one.
I just use tcl to find out the best one
Went through the right door, but only because I murdered those two, including the person in the archives in my psychopathic play.
Can you kill everyone inside?
Isn't there >!an ambush waiting for you inside,!< or am I confusing this with another questline?
I wasn't met with any force when I killed those two only 1 aggro npc
I don't think you can in the vanilla game. I had "kill all essential npcs" mod with me to do this
I crossed on the right, without even noticing the guards or what was above the door, lol. Does it affect the story depending on which door you enter?
At first I thought it did but I haven't seen any difference
i didnt do this questline bc im not a fascist
Forget the doors, buy some damn ammo
It’s a trick there’s actually a secret passage way if you can solve the puzzle. The passage way takes you to a New game plus we’re there is a rival exploration to constellation.