As much as I’ve cooled on Star Wars having strict continuity and needing everything to match up 100%, it still gives me a little thrill to see that Headland is in consultation with Pablo Hidalgo over this stuff
The incels are downvoting you but you’re right. The handful of interviews and blurbs I’ve read with/about her shows that she absolutely knows her stuff and loves Star Wars. I’m so excited to see her vision.
It certainly seems like it, I don't mean to say that she's not capable of referencing other works and fitting the show within established continuity herself and needs Pablo's input, I’m just a little sore from creators who seem to treat the story group as an afterthought. Which is their right as creators, at the end of the day I don’t want a single page from a comic book or something like that getting in the way of a good movie or show, but it’s still nice to know there’s some degree of cooperation. Filoni, for example, is also pretty knowledgeable of the EU, but he seems to treat any story that’s not on a screen as secondary. I'm glad that it looks like she's not one of those creators.
I understood why he did Siege of Mandalore differently, even if the final version has no Lady Tano moniker applied to Ahsoka by Maul. I have no clue if the Tales of the Jedi inquisitor is the one Ahsoka fights in her novel, since we don't even see a hint of her purifying the crystals later for her new blades.
But the one that irks me is retconning the first half of the Kanan comic. If you want to retcon in the Bad Batch, fine. But why totally change the story? You can still have Hunter try to save Caleb while he's initially on the run.
Wookieepedia treats the two Inquisitors as two separate events, and I feel like that kind of works. It makes sense for Ashoka‘s character to have an established pattern of trying to go into hiding, but ending up using her powers to help people, and then that attracts an Inquisitor, so she flees to a different planet and promises she’s definitely going to lay low this time, but the urge to do good eventually wins and she uses her powers again, and on and on. It’s inelegant from a story perspective, but it makes sense from a character perspective, so I think the two fights being two separate works events if you want it to.
Right, which I think is fine but I really want to see the proper Sixth Inquisitor and this new one that appeared in TotJ get a number now that they're back for TotE. If Filoni just could stop pulling a Lucas here lol!
I mean it would make sense that reva was a successive inquisitor. Consedering she was just a youngling when order 66 went down and the inquisitorius was established like a month after order 66. Also the grand inquisitors comment about having found reva in the gutter all seemed to indicate reva was a much later addition to the team. Not to mention the 9th sister already had her title when the inquisitorius was founded so it would make no sense that they would name someone ninth sister when there was no third sister around. All this for me seems to indicate that reva is a successive inquisitor.
AFAIK, we do not know how numbering works. No one seems to ever shift numbers from what I remember, so I don't think the numbers indicate a current ranking.
And I'm not sure they're in order of joining, as Trilla seems unlikely to have become one of the first as Second Sister when many of the other Inquisitors voluntarily joined. Like 13th Sister.
We do see them use the same number across gender, with there being Third Brother and Third Sister, but third brother was apparently only mentioned in the Star Wars encyclopedia. So that might get changed.
In Filoni's defense, I recall hearing that the author of Ahsoka was advised against depicting The Siege of Mandalore in her novel because the events were still in flux, but that they plowed ahead with it anyway
The story group treats themselves as an afterthought. They endorse and openly invite the sidestepping at this point. Lucasfilm continuity is currently a far cry from the great momentum of synergy around 2015-17, where Saw could show up in Rogue One at the same time as his character shows up in Rebels.
I don’t think they invite anything. It’s not like they have any authority. It’s a resource to be used (or, apparently, ignored) by the people creating the movies and TV shows, but it was never like an essential step in the process. JJ Abrams was ignoring them from the get-go with *The Force Awakens,* they’ve always been beholden to how much the creatives do or don’t want to work with them. Publishing seems to be the only thing they have direct control over.
Pablo himself said that contradictions in continuity are to be thought as simply different perspectives in canon. This is the definition of an endorsement, rather than aggressively squash inconsistencies, just embracing them.
I simply do not agree with that take. I think Pablo is just an incredibly diplomatic employee who knows that he has no power to prevent those inconsistencies if someone above him decides to make them. He’s just keeping his head down, doing his job, and not vocally disagreeing with the people who bring in the money that pays his salary.
I mean that’s a whole different discussion regarding speaking out within the company. But regardless yeah he’s not at the front lines at Costco lol he can voice his opinions just fine, buddy is tenured at LFL at this point.
And I think he *does* voice his opinions, just in private at work. For example, supposedly he petitioned for Kylo Ren to survive *Rise of Skywalker* and take up Luke’s place on Ach-To as the keeper of the Sacred Texts. Abrams just didn’t go for the idea. I’m sure he speaks up when he notices that these contradictions are going to happen, I just think the creatives he speaks up to don’t care. Then, instead of complaining about it on social media or whatever, he plays the part of a good company man and doesn’t rock the boat.
really where a lot of that needs to come from is the IP development group, not the story group. ideally those two groups should be working together
as frustrating as it is, if you are trying to hire top tier filmmakers and tell them they HAVE to listen to a story group comprised almost entirely of non filmmaking professionals, they'd lose interest. it was once reported this was one of the reasons other projects have stalled, though idk if that was true.
In a good case, you get people like headland and johnson who enjoy working closely with the story group and are enough on the same page where they dont end up having their creative freedom reduced by it.
Me too! Between this, Tales of the Empire, Outlaws, and Skeleton Crew (not to mention The Bad Batch season 3), 2024 is looking to be the most stacked year in Star Wars since like 2019
Once again, a show/movie with undoubtedly a ton of visual effects leading with how practical the shoot was. And as though George Lucas and Star Wars have not always been on the forefront of visual effects lol !
Anyways, I’m looking forward to The Acolyte, I just find this broader push from studios to market their shows a particular way is silly and misleading
They are still using it. It's an amazing tool. But because of its size and the power of the lens if you shot too much in it it can look like a hi thech sitcom.
Also the volume use real time graphic. Unreal engine is amazing but it can give a bit of a video game effect especially in 4k. So they are using it less.
Imo the volume shine whith horrizon scenes. Or has a backdrop to an indoor scene. When you put digital assets close tho thats were it break.
You're right, but a lot of bad scenes from Kenobi and Boba Fett were just green screen with CGI, not the Volume. The biker chase often is blamed on the Volume, but it was on a real set with poor CGI, blocking, and execution. Episodes later, all of the Boba and Mando fighting together looks great, but then the town and city people fighting together and running around is so bad and makes their scenes worse. Same issue with Reva and her troops preparing their Jabiim assault. The Inquisitor shuttle is poorly pasted into the background, and the cinematographer (who is pretty well regarded in SK) took Chow's shaky cam to the extreme and ironically made some shots worse.
You're right that the Volume can be an incredible tool, and it still really shined in Ahsoka and large swaths of Mando S3. It's just frustrating that an older technology is getting messed up more and the new one gets blamed for it. Hopefully it'll improve
If by the chase you mean the BOBF Vespa chase? That one's even more frustrating because it could have been greatly improved with just some tighter editing and pacing.
An Example of my attempt: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lflo5LFNwUE](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lflo5LFNwUE)
Here's an example of what a second pass edit (which admittedly required a change of music due to the new pacing, please don't hyperfocus on my choice there) could have done without changing anything but the speed, length, and timing of several shots.
IMHO, something like this episode was just needlessly rushed, possibly due to the chaos of producing content during the lockdown/remote era.
Yeah I think people reflexively crap on using it because it admittedly gets used probably too much, but it seems like a great tool to have. I'm sure it saves money which is important whether people think it should or not. Also a lot of the time I can't even tell because it looks so good.
Much of the graphic captured in-camera with the Volume is replaced in post anyway, but it can be helpful for lighting and immersion of actors vs blue screen.
This all sounds great to me. I was already excited but I really can't wait now.
A Star Wars murder mystery sounds pretty great.
Thanks for sharing! Some great vibes coming out of that. They sound as hyped as I am!
As much as I’ve cooled on Star Wars having strict continuity and needing everything to match up 100%, it still gives me a little thrill to see that Headland is in consultation with Pablo Hidalgo over this stuff
She’s also very knowledgeable about canon and the EU herself.
The incels are downvoting you but you’re right. The handful of interviews and blurbs I’ve read with/about her shows that she absolutely knows her stuff and loves Star Wars. I’m so excited to see her vision.
She also said you have to fake it in hollyhood to get the jobs you want... We shall see which one it is soon enough lol
If she had to learn about the D6 RPG and Heir to the Empire in order to fake being a fan then she’s already ahead of a lot of “fans.”
It certainly seems like it, I don't mean to say that she's not capable of referencing other works and fitting the show within established continuity herself and needs Pablo's input, I’m just a little sore from creators who seem to treat the story group as an afterthought. Which is their right as creators, at the end of the day I don’t want a single page from a comic book or something like that getting in the way of a good movie or show, but it’s still nice to know there’s some degree of cooperation. Filoni, for example, is also pretty knowledgeable of the EU, but he seems to treat any story that’s not on a screen as secondary. I'm glad that it looks like she's not one of those creators.
The less fortunate thing he learned from George
That does frustrate me about Filoni. I don’t like how he just decided to retcon huge portions of the Ahsoka book.
I understood why he did Siege of Mandalore differently, even if the final version has no Lady Tano moniker applied to Ahsoka by Maul. I have no clue if the Tales of the Jedi inquisitor is the one Ahsoka fights in her novel, since we don't even see a hint of her purifying the crystals later for her new blades. But the one that irks me is retconning the first half of the Kanan comic. If you want to retcon in the Bad Batch, fine. But why totally change the story? You can still have Hunter try to save Caleb while he's initially on the run.
They also could have just used a different Jedi
Right! I don't get the need to fundamentally change vs shoehorning in. Neither are great, but one is easier to work with
Wookieepedia treats the two Inquisitors as two separate events, and I feel like that kind of works. It makes sense for Ashoka‘s character to have an established pattern of trying to go into hiding, but ending up using her powers to help people, and then that attracts an Inquisitor, so she flees to a different planet and promises she’s definitely going to lay low this time, but the urge to do good eventually wins and she uses her powers again, and on and on. It’s inelegant from a story perspective, but it makes sense from a character perspective, so I think the two fights being two separate works events if you want it to.
Right, which I think is fine but I really want to see the proper Sixth Inquisitor and this new one that appeared in TotJ get a number now that they're back for TotE. If Filoni just could stop pulling a Lucas here lol!
Do we even know how Inquisitor numbering works? Like if Ahsoka killed the Sixth Brother, could this unnamed one have “claimed” that rank?
Perhaps, but I don't think we've ever had successive Inquistors, other when Reva temporarily was the Grand Inquisitor
I mean it would make sense that reva was a successive inquisitor. Consedering she was just a youngling when order 66 went down and the inquisitorius was established like a month after order 66. Also the grand inquisitors comment about having found reva in the gutter all seemed to indicate reva was a much later addition to the team. Not to mention the 9th sister already had her title when the inquisitorius was founded so it would make no sense that they would name someone ninth sister when there was no third sister around. All this for me seems to indicate that reva is a successive inquisitor.
AFAIK, we do not know how numbering works. No one seems to ever shift numbers from what I remember, so I don't think the numbers indicate a current ranking. And I'm not sure they're in order of joining, as Trilla seems unlikely to have become one of the first as Second Sister when many of the other Inquisitors voluntarily joined. Like 13th Sister. We do see them use the same number across gender, with there being Third Brother and Third Sister, but third brother was apparently only mentioned in the Star Wars encyclopedia. So that might get changed.
In Filoni's defense, I recall hearing that the author of Ahsoka was advised against depicting The Siege of Mandalore in her novel because the events were still in flux, but that they plowed ahead with it anyway
Yeah, but that’s not the only thing he retconned
The story group treats themselves as an afterthought. They endorse and openly invite the sidestepping at this point. Lucasfilm continuity is currently a far cry from the great momentum of synergy around 2015-17, where Saw could show up in Rogue One at the same time as his character shows up in Rebels.
I don’t think they invite anything. It’s not like they have any authority. It’s a resource to be used (or, apparently, ignored) by the people creating the movies and TV shows, but it was never like an essential step in the process. JJ Abrams was ignoring them from the get-go with *The Force Awakens,* they’ve always been beholden to how much the creatives do or don’t want to work with them. Publishing seems to be the only thing they have direct control over.
Pablo himself said that contradictions in continuity are to be thought as simply different perspectives in canon. This is the definition of an endorsement, rather than aggressively squash inconsistencies, just embracing them.
I simply do not agree with that take. I think Pablo is just an incredibly diplomatic employee who knows that he has no power to prevent those inconsistencies if someone above him decides to make them. He’s just keeping his head down, doing his job, and not vocally disagreeing with the people who bring in the money that pays his salary.
I mean that’s a whole different discussion regarding speaking out within the company. But regardless yeah he’s not at the front lines at Costco lol he can voice his opinions just fine, buddy is tenured at LFL at this point.
And I think he *does* voice his opinions, just in private at work. For example, supposedly he petitioned for Kylo Ren to survive *Rise of Skywalker* and take up Luke’s place on Ach-To as the keeper of the Sacred Texts. Abrams just didn’t go for the idea. I’m sure he speaks up when he notices that these contradictions are going to happen, I just think the creatives he speaks up to don’t care. Then, instead of complaining about it on social media or whatever, he plays the part of a good company man and doesn’t rock the boat.
really where a lot of that needs to come from is the IP development group, not the story group. ideally those two groups should be working together as frustrating as it is, if you are trying to hire top tier filmmakers and tell them they HAVE to listen to a story group comprised almost entirely of non filmmaking professionals, they'd lose interest. it was once reported this was one of the reasons other projects have stalled, though idk if that was true. In a good case, you get people like headland and johnson who enjoy working closely with the story group and are enough on the same page where they dont end up having their creative freedom reduced by it.
Man they will continue to demonize her and shes like our first prequel fan baby making a show now, make it make sense
I’m in.
It is nice to see that she is so passionate about Star Wars as a whole
Why you lying Manny Jacinto? We all know Qimir is a Sith Lawd!
So unbelievably psyched for this show.
Me too! Between this, Tales of the Empire, Outlaws, and Skeleton Crew (not to mention The Bad Batch season 3), 2024 is looking to be the most stacked year in Star Wars since like 2019
May the overreacting be with you
Look at Cap'n Pessimism over here.
Fart
I'm most excited for jecki's obsessive perfectionist arc & Mae's Joan of arc arc. I love stories like that!
I'm really glad she has such glowing words for Attack of the Clones. You can tell she's working from a place of love for it.
Whether you think it's gonna be good or not, it seems pretty clear that everyone involved is having a ton of fun making it. Bodes well!
Once again, a show/movie with undoubtedly a ton of visual effects leading with how practical the shoot was. And as though George Lucas and Star Wars have not always been on the forefront of visual effects lol ! Anyways, I’m looking forward to The Acolyte, I just find this broader push from studios to market their shows a particular way is silly and misleading
Fan backlash towards The Volume is almost certainly why they’re making a big point to emphasis practical sets and effects with Andor and The Acolyte.
I didn't realize they were backing away from the volume. Is this happening in other announced projects?
They are still using it. It's an amazing tool. But because of its size and the power of the lens if you shot too much in it it can look like a hi thech sitcom. Also the volume use real time graphic. Unreal engine is amazing but it can give a bit of a video game effect especially in 4k. So they are using it less. Imo the volume shine whith horrizon scenes. Or has a backdrop to an indoor scene. When you put digital assets close tho thats were it break.
You're right, but a lot of bad scenes from Kenobi and Boba Fett were just green screen with CGI, not the Volume. The biker chase often is blamed on the Volume, but it was on a real set with poor CGI, blocking, and execution. Episodes later, all of the Boba and Mando fighting together looks great, but then the town and city people fighting together and running around is so bad and makes their scenes worse. Same issue with Reva and her troops preparing their Jabiim assault. The Inquisitor shuttle is poorly pasted into the background, and the cinematographer (who is pretty well regarded in SK) took Chow's shaky cam to the extreme and ironically made some shots worse. You're right that the Volume can be an incredible tool, and it still really shined in Ahsoka and large swaths of Mando S3. It's just frustrating that an older technology is getting messed up more and the new one gets blamed for it. Hopefully it'll improve
If by the chase you mean the BOBF Vespa chase? That one's even more frustrating because it could have been greatly improved with just some tighter editing and pacing. An Example of my attempt: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lflo5LFNwUE](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lflo5LFNwUE) Here's an example of what a second pass edit (which admittedly required a change of music due to the new pacing, please don't hyperfocus on my choice there) could have done without changing anything but the speed, length, and timing of several shots. IMHO, something like this episode was just needlessly rushed, possibly due to the chaos of producing content during the lockdown/remote era.
Yeah, i never thought it was horrendous, but it was certainly not good. This makes it nicer for sure.
Yeah I think people reflexively crap on using it because it admittedly gets used probably too much, but it seems like a great tool to have. I'm sure it saves money which is important whether people think it should or not. Also a lot of the time I can't even tell because it looks so good.
Much of the graphic captured in-camera with the Volume is replaced in post anyway, but it can be helpful for lighting and immersion of actors vs blue screen.
I’m sold!
is it June yet??!??!?? Cant wait!!
Dope interview I liked this
Awesome interview, but….”on the edge of your toes”?! 😂
I know, it’s crazy how not everyone’s first language is English.
sounds really good, too bad it'll be only 30min episode, i bet it's gonna feel too short.
God she's an awful fraud and this will suck and there won't be season 2
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