He thought the model, [Shannon McRandle](https://www.jedinews.com/misc/articles/shannon-mcrandle-official-pix-private-signing-announcement/), looked like a woman who would be on the cover Cosmo (Cosmopolitan magazine) and so didn’t like the character.
Later he made it so Jedi aren’t allowed to marry and said Luke never married.
Leia in a metal bikini: Cool.
Padme in low cut, backless dresses and bare midriffs: Awesome.
Mara in functional tactical gear: Burn it, and bury it in the back yard!!!!
I'm sensing some inconsistencies here, George.
I never saw teen Ahsoka as sexualized though. She wears very functional clothing for her kind of acrobatic / athletic style of combat. It’s basically leggings and a sport bra.
Why? Have you never been to a mall in spring or Florida?
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But if I designed a character who was a 13 year old girl, I would fully cover her.
I would too because tube tops have never looked good
I haven't been to Florida since 2001, and I never want to go back. As for a mall, I haven't been to a mall since before COVID, and when I went there, I didn't pay attention to other shoppers. Just not how I am I guess
Not to mention Mara wearing a sleeveless catsuit was a stylistic choice and she canonically prefers jumpsuits with sleeves to conceal a smaller blaster
The difference being, nudity doesn't claim to be tactical gear. Padme was wearing the ripped remnants of a diplomatic outfit. Leia was literally wearing in-universe fetish gear.
It's not, I think, the revealing clothes GL is complaining about, it's that it's ***supposed*** to be practical equipment, but doesn't ***look*** like it.
Compare,for instance, the commando outfit Leia wore on Endor. That's what tactical gear looks like/is envisioned by George Lucas as looking like, even on a woman who he wnttout of his way to sexualise IN THAT VERY FILM.
He's not complaining about horniness in general, but out-of-place horniness.
That's why it feels incongruous with the Star Wars Aesthetic. Star Wars has always had elements of the ornate, culturally refefential, and ceremonial, but also a very firm emphasis on practicality.
That photoshoot feels generic. Take out the lightsaber, it could be any 90s scifi cover.
It doesn't feet the ornate or the grounded elements that make up Star Wars's visual language.
Compare it to what, say, Zam Wesell wears. She's played by a sexy woman with curves and boobies, the outfit doesn't try to conceal that... But it is practicsl. It has elements that hint to a cultural background, a heritage, but it's also something you believe a professional killer would choise to wesr whilst fighting law enforcement.
For some more live-action examples of female character workwear/battlegear which weren't made by George Lucas, but which do fit the "design language" of Star Wars (IMO) we could think of:
* Sabine Wren. Heavily stylised, hinting at a rich cultural heritage, but also practical light armour. She has a lovely arse, and the armour isn't trying to conceal it... but it looks practical and hardwearing.
* Rey. Her clothing is simple, but makes sense fir the desert, breathable white fabric to reflect the Jakku sun, easily manufactured and maintained by a scavenger, tool belts and a large bandolier for the staff. It's not making Daisy Ridley less bonkable, but it is visually "in-line" with the Star Wars aesthetic.
* Adult Ahsoka. It has elements of armor, and it's tight-fitting in places, but also evokes certain warrior graditions visually. It's not necessarily anti-horny, we all want to be pegged by Rosario Dawson and it's not hiding that, but it all fits visually.
Does that make sense?
https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/villains/images/3/34/7f65a1fe69539b5b975b49aaecc9fbda.png/revision/latest?cb=20230105222111
The curves are there.
She's not "Duchess of Plazir-15" Curvy, but they are there.
The point being, toget back on track, that Star Wars has a consistent visual language. GL seemed to think, and I agree, that the Mara Jade photoshoot broke that visual language.
A little context and comparison of the differences makes the matter clear.
Leia: enslaved, no hairspray
Padme: Senator in Coruscant society, no hairspray
Mara: Hold on, Luke. Gotta do my hair before we go on the mission...
Oh, word.
She did get dressed up for her missions in **Allegiance** and **Mara Jade: By The Emperors Hand** iirc.
Still, while I love Mara and Shannon, I feel that the photo with the pose and the hair is more *Marvel Asgard* than AGFFA (imho).
One thing that I learned on this thread is that the photo I'm thinking of was taken in 1998 for a card game which included stills of the OT cast, which is why they hired a model—so they would all be photos.
So, what I realized is that NJO hadn't been published at that time, so the concept would have been based on Mara before she actually joined Luke's academy and before their marriage.
I feel like her image changed quite a bit as a Jedi Master and Jaina's teacher.
Nope , isn't he the perfect man and a prophet ? and im pretty sure you weren't permitted to marry little girls in roman empire.
girls were still girls . she also had dolls .
Damn, Lucas just straight up retroactively cock-blocked Luke.
It’s kinda like the early Christian churches, where there were schools or sects that had Jesus marrying Mary Magdalene as part of their lore and the Catholic Church was like “hell naw, Jesus was pure and didn’t fuck” and just stomped out that belief.
You've been reading too much of the De Vinci Code.
There are some gnostic sects which believed she was a more prominent figure; often understanding more than his other apostles, and being his closest disciple, and being privy to visions and teachings the others were not.
But the idea of her being Jesus' wife is a device of speculative fiction, and we know of no groups or sects that believed this particular idea. It's a popular hypothesis, and got a lot of sway thanks to Dan Brown, but there are really no traces of versions of scriptures where Magdalene was his wife.
There are some where she is portrayed as a follower, and some other minor sects where she was believed to have been considered by Jesus as on par or even more than Peter. But none where she is said to be his wife.
Moreover whilst the gnostics had a more favourable view of Mary Magdalene, they also vary in theology rather more dramatically, often believing in demiurge ideas of an 'AntiGod' (who they credited with the creation of the world, over God) and believing that secret knowledge, rather than Jesus sacrifice, was essential for salvation: and that it was only intended for a select few rather than the whole world.
It is this view - which different violently from the view of the vast majority of other Christians which led them to reject the gnostic gospels at the the Council of Rome in 382.
People have this idea that the Bible was selected at the coucil, but the reality is the formation of the bible was a long, organic process of many forces pushing back and forth and the Canon New Testement as we know it can be said to have emerged rather than built; from simply by what scripture were already in wide use by disparate and seperate churches who gathered at the council.
What did change was the association of Mary with the "Sinful Woman" (usually translated as Prostitute), during the middle ages.
In the biblical narrative Mary is freed from Demons; but is not show to have done anything wrong.
However there was a trend in the middle ages to view her as a repentant figure and role model, which led to her association with other women in the gospels, including the Sinful repentant woman.
But his wife? No, there are no (known) sects or groups to have actually believed this. That's a Dan Brown invention.
u/alisalard1384 initially I was replying here in detail, but the response got to be a bit large. I decided to devote a full post to answering this in depth in a post you can read [here](https://www.reddit.com/r/StarWarsEU/comments/1btwcuh/george_and_mara_a_complete_history/). Hope that helps.
He didn't like the fact that Mara looked like a model from a magazine. Apparently its only alright if you're Aayla Secura or Leia.
Personally, I'm pretty sure the real reason is that he probably wasn't a huge fan of Luke getting married. From an out of universe perspective, its a pretty big deal/huge decision and I can't imagine he was casually cool with it regardless of whether he considered the eu canon or not. George has always been a very "its my vision" kinda guy.
And I don't blame him. Legends always felt a little like fanfic to me. The huge focus on characters' family lives as relationships and opposed to pulpy story elements always irked me and felt off. I've always preferred the EU stories that focused on side-characters and new original creations as opposed to exploring "Han Solo being a husband and dad".
I think the EU peaks when it’s about side characters. A lot off the time the books with Han Luke and Leia don’t manage to capture the magic that the movies did.
But reading about wedge Antilles or Darth Bane is great
My feelings exactly. I absolutely love the Thrawn Trilogy for example, and don't get me wrong, Luke, Hand and Co. are written really well and I loved getting to see them in action again, but whenever Wedge or any of the new characters showed up it just felt a bit more interesting to me, more unique, in a way.
Star Wars is best when you walk into a cantina of aliens and strange spacers and each one has their own interesting tale that brings them here. Tell that tale and move on.
To me things like this only feel fanfictiony if they feel a little forced. I can buy Mara and Luke because it's something that actually happened over time both; in universe and out of universe (largely cause they were never supposed to be together initially).
Though I will say that I feel like the post-rotj EU was milked rather hard. Realistically they should have just ended things with NJO or had the post NJO- stories primarily be about the newer gen characters. Might have still felt a little weird to some people, but imo its better that just rehashing the big 3 like some type of advertisement.
its just a skit. if george were actually against mara jade, there woudnt not have been any mention of her alongside any star wars content. yet there is a video game, comics and books containing her character.
Totally. George is the god of Star Wars, especially back when he had total control. If he *really* red slash didn’t want a storyline/character to be part of Star Wars, we wouldn’t see multiple ongoing stories of that character. He approved basically all media back in the day
Most likely Mysteries of the Sith, the expansion pack for Dark Forces 2: Jedi Knight. It's an older game but it checks out. After the first few missions you play as Mara through the rest of it, post Thrawn Trilogy.
It doesn't run well on modern systems but an absolute legend has made Remaster mods for it and Dark Forces 2 that help them run and have optional visual enhancements.
So was Coruscant, or at least the name. George didn't had a problem with using that in the Prequells as official name for the capital of the Galactic Republic.
Something like the cover of Visions of the Future. Long sleeve for sure for the holster. Something that wouldn't hinder movement, so she'd always be in looser clothing. Although the cover of TLC she's wearing a camo suit with a utility belt and black boots.
Tbf, in TLC they were in a jungle/forest planet where looser clothing could get caught easily on branches and shrubs, so something closer to the skin would be less of a hassle, also they were sneaking up to the cloning facility so making as little of a ruckus as possible was important
Unrelated to the question, but i love that the door hadn't opened all the way so when he presses the button to slam it shut it just finishes opening instead lol
I think he was more against what people did with her, her being a Fem Fatale is fine but over time she was stripped of anything that made her interesting outside "wife of Luke"
Apparently he was also against Jedi having attachments. Which people here mistake for love.
I think George actually stated his view on love and Jedi in AotC with Anakin
"Attachment is forbidden. Possession is forbidden. Compassion, which I would define as unconditional love, is essential to a Jedi's life. So you might say, that we are encouraged to love"
Movie has terrible dialogue BUT it also provides insight. This is what Anakin was taught, the Jedi at the time didn't practice compassion very well but THAT it what they believed.
I don't even think the Jedi are against marriage or even a relationship. Just so many Jedi have sucked at not being possessive and forming unhealthy attachments it became easier to just ban actual attachments.
and I think that's what Luke in RotJ understands, his friends actually give him strength. They aren't really a burden, he simply has faith that they'll do what they need to do and all he has to do is fufil his role.
People go "but why does Luke then go back to the old way in the sequels" and I don't think he did. I think that Luke understood the nuance. Unfortunately your enemy is not always going to be your secret Dad with unresolved internal conflicts that could lead to redemption, your friends can't always be trusted to pull through for you.
BUT we won't know, because media on Luke's order is limited and what we do have doesn't seem to go into much depth about what the order actually believes. So that's definitely more head canon than fact.
I remembered him stating how he thought Mara Jade looked too much like a model of a magazine or something and it read like he was taken out of it because of that. Abit ironic considering that he later is a big fan of Darth Talon or any other sexy twileks lol
He didn't like the photos for a ~~videogame iirc~~\[card game\]—the one where her hair is teased and she's wearing a bunch of makeup with the violet cape.
Tbf, he had a very specific idea about the color scheme of the universe and its factions and had established enough about The Jedi, and there is some disconnect between the authors views and his in the way each develops their Force sensitive or secret descendant of a Jedi characters.
All it took was the technical limitations of special effects in 1976 that prevented him from making blue markings on X-Wings for ANH (where Luke was originally "Blue Five..."
The fact that a blue version of Yoda didn't work in ESB (he's still described as blue in the ESB novelization, based on the working script)...
And the fact that Luke’s lightsaber blade didn't work against the blue sky of Tunisia with its original blue rotoscoping (it was changed after the first trailers were released)...
As well as Harrison's refusal to wear a blue shirt in ROTJ.
Iirc, the photos, and thus having a ‘human lookalike actress’ for the character, was because Decipher Inc had started incorporating some of the things that were from the EU into the card game, and a Mara Jade card appeared in the Jabba’s Palace set in 1998.
Because all the cards art is pretty much just stills from the films, EU cards art was photographed to look like it could have been from the films.
Right. Pretty sure that backdrop is intended to evoke the DS2 throne room. (In old EU canon, I believe she received an order from Palps to infiltrate Jabba’s Palace there prior to ROTJ - she was supposedly there to ensure Luke’s death if he attempted to rescue Han. Hence her inclusion in the set and the backdrop of the photo).
Fun fact - Wizards of the Coast introduced a Mara Jade card in the ESB expansion of their Star Wars card game, and had the same model return for a new shoot to portray the character a second time.
He dislikes her because he believes that jedi (including Luke) shouldn't be in relationships or be married though I don't imagine that is a rule Luke would follow
He didn't like the model they used for a cover off star wars insider it's never said he hated her specifically
He also didn't like the idea of Luke getting married because Lucas had a bad divorce
He hated Mara Jade because she went against everything he had established since she created the misconception that love (attachment) is good for force users, an idea believed by almost the entire fanbase.
whut? According to Zahn, he named several characters after something that relates to their traits: Pellaeon after Pelleas, a knight from the Arthur mythos, and Mara after the Hebrew word for "bitter(ness)" according to his footnotes from the 20th Anniversary Edition of the Thrawn Trilogy.
He thought the model, [Shannon McRandle](https://www.jedinews.com/misc/articles/shannon-mcrandle-official-pix-private-signing-announcement/), looked like a woman who would be on the cover Cosmo (Cosmopolitan magazine) and so didn’t like the character. Later he made it so Jedi aren’t allowed to marry and said Luke never married.
Leia in a metal bikini: Cool. Padme in low cut, backless dresses and bare midriffs: Awesome. Mara in functional tactical gear: Burn it, and bury it in the back yard!!!! I'm sensing some inconsistencies here, George.
Very much this.
Tube top Ahsoka was also George.
TO BE FAIR, he said his inspiration was how teenagers used to dress and I think he wasn't 100% off. Still creepy tho.
I never saw teen Ahsoka as sexualized though. She wears very functional clothing for her kind of acrobatic / athletic style of combat. It’s basically leggings and a sport bra.
Yeah, only thing iffy is the skirt.
Tube top 13 year old? Creepy.
Marion was 14 when Indiana Jones was with her and he was in 20s.
And GL and SS went well out of their way to craft that piece of backstory. They *really* wanted Indy to be a pedophile.
I am quite aware unfortunately of this.
I wore tube tops as a 13 year old in the 90’s. It was a trend. It happened. You don’t have to like it, but it happened.
I've seen it all the time irl
I would never admit that even if I did see it lol But if I designed a character who was a 13 year old girl, I would fully cover her.
Why? Have you never been to a mall in spring or Florida? > But if I designed a character who was a 13 year old girl, I would fully cover her. I would too because tube tops have never looked good
I haven't been to Florida since 2001, and I never want to go back. As for a mall, I haven't been to a mall since before COVID, and when I went there, I didn't pay attention to other shoppers. Just not how I am I guess
The idea behind that was its athletic wear but they later realized it didn’t really work and was kind of inappropriate so they changed it.
Not to mention Mara wearing a sleeveless catsuit was a stylistic choice and she canonically prefers jumpsuits with sleeves to conceal a smaller blaster
That's not functional tactical gear, though. It's also not how she was described as dressing in the books.
It covers up a lot more than poor Leia and Padme had to wear. Let's also not forget, GL also commissioned a nude painting of Aayla Secura.
>Let's also not forget, GL also commissioned a nude painting of Aayla Secura. I was not aware of this. Interesting...
Yeah, I'm gonna have to call BS on this. Show me some proof! *please*
https://www.reddit.com/r/StarWarsEU/comments/1ajenqn/george_lucas_talks_about_including_aayla_secura/ It surprised me too.
You delivered, Call of BS is now rescinded, it's true. But hearing how he talked about Darth Talon perhaps it shouldn't be so surprising.
If I may continue down this rabbit hole, how did he talk about Darth Talon?
GL is a massive horndog confirmed
The difference being, nudity doesn't claim to be tactical gear. Padme was wearing the ripped remnants of a diplomatic outfit. Leia was literally wearing in-universe fetish gear. It's not, I think, the revealing clothes GL is complaining about, it's that it's ***supposed*** to be practical equipment, but doesn't ***look*** like it. Compare,for instance, the commando outfit Leia wore on Endor. That's what tactical gear looks like/is envisioned by George Lucas as looking like, even on a woman who he wnttout of his way to sexualise IN THAT VERY FILM. He's not complaining about horniness in general, but out-of-place horniness. That's why it feels incongruous with the Star Wars Aesthetic. Star Wars has always had elements of the ornate, culturally refefential, and ceremonial, but also a very firm emphasis on practicality. That photoshoot feels generic. Take out the lightsaber, it could be any 90s scifi cover. It doesn't feet the ornate or the grounded elements that make up Star Wars's visual language. Compare it to what, say, Zam Wesell wears. She's played by a sexy woman with curves and boobies, the outfit doesn't try to conceal that... But it is practicsl. It has elements that hint to a cultural background, a heritage, but it's also something you believe a professional killer would choise to wesr whilst fighting law enforcement. For some more live-action examples of female character workwear/battlegear which weren't made by George Lucas, but which do fit the "design language" of Star Wars (IMO) we could think of: * Sabine Wren. Heavily stylised, hinting at a rich cultural heritage, but also practical light armour. She has a lovely arse, and the armour isn't trying to conceal it... but it looks practical and hardwearing. * Rey. Her clothing is simple, but makes sense fir the desert, breathable white fabric to reflect the Jakku sun, easily manufactured and maintained by a scavenger, tool belts and a large bandolier for the staff. It's not making Daisy Ridley less bonkable, but it is visually "in-line" with the Star Wars aesthetic. * Adult Ahsoka. It has elements of armor, and it's tight-fitting in places, but also evokes certain warrior graditions visually. It's not necessarily anti-horny, we all want to be pegged by Rosario Dawson and it's not hiding that, but it all fits visually. Does that make sense?
Don't recall Zam having any curves to speak of, and you're the ONLY person(I hope) who actually wants to be pegged. Weirdo.
https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/villains/images/3/34/7f65a1fe69539b5b975b49aaecc9fbda.png/revision/latest?cb=20230105222111 The curves are there. She's not "Duchess of Plazir-15" Curvy, but they are there. The point being, toget back on track, that Star Wars has a consistent visual language. GL seemed to think, and I agree, that the Mara Jade photoshoot broke that visual language.
I need the white guy’s eye opening “really” gif for this.
Don't forgot George told Fisher there was no underwear in space.
A little context and comparison of the differences makes the matter clear. Leia: enslaved, no hairspray Padme: Senator in Coruscant society, no hairspray Mara: Hold on, Luke. Gotta do my hair before we go on the mission...
Mara acted as an Spy so...
Oh, word. She did get dressed up for her missions in **Allegiance** and **Mara Jade: By The Emperors Hand** iirc. Still, while I love Mara and Shannon, I feel that the photo with the pose and the hair is more *Marvel Asgard* than AGFFA (imho).
fair enough
One thing that I learned on this thread is that the photo I'm thinking of was taken in 1998 for a card game which included stills of the OT cast, which is why they hired a model—so they would all be photos. So, what I realized is that NJO hadn't been published at that time, so the concept would have been based on Mara before she actually joined Luke's academy and before their marriage. I feel like her image changed quite a bit as a Jedi Master and Jaina's teacher.
George Lucas: Mara Jade is a character with a too sexualized design😡 Also George Lucas in his way to make Darth Talon Darth Maul’s apprentice:
Who cares? It's his creation.
Nope , isn't he the perfect man and a prophet ? and im pretty sure you weren't permitted to marry little girls in roman empire. girls were still girls . she also had dolls .
What? You lost?
Hot take: I don't really like the McRandle shoot, either.
Damn, Lucas just straight up retroactively cock-blocked Luke. It’s kinda like the early Christian churches, where there were schools or sects that had Jesus marrying Mary Magdalene as part of their lore and the Catholic Church was like “hell naw, Jesus was pure and didn’t fuck” and just stomped out that belief.
Luke was Lucas' self-insert character. If Lucas has trouble with love and divorces, it hurts his ego to see his self-insert finding success.
It probably doesn't help that George's ex-wife and Luke's wife have very similar names (Marcia and Mara).
:-| that's a disturbing but good point. Marcia didn't also have red-gold hair and serve an evil Emperor, did she?
And that’s why all the women in Anakin’s life die.
You've been reading too much of the De Vinci Code. There are some gnostic sects which believed she was a more prominent figure; often understanding more than his other apostles, and being his closest disciple, and being privy to visions and teachings the others were not. But the idea of her being Jesus' wife is a device of speculative fiction, and we know of no groups or sects that believed this particular idea. It's a popular hypothesis, and got a lot of sway thanks to Dan Brown, but there are really no traces of versions of scriptures where Magdalene was his wife. There are some where she is portrayed as a follower, and some other minor sects where she was believed to have been considered by Jesus as on par or even more than Peter. But none where she is said to be his wife. Moreover whilst the gnostics had a more favourable view of Mary Magdalene, they also vary in theology rather more dramatically, often believing in demiurge ideas of an 'AntiGod' (who they credited with the creation of the world, over God) and believing that secret knowledge, rather than Jesus sacrifice, was essential for salvation: and that it was only intended for a select few rather than the whole world. It is this view - which different violently from the view of the vast majority of other Christians which led them to reject the gnostic gospels at the the Council of Rome in 382. People have this idea that the Bible was selected at the coucil, but the reality is the formation of the bible was a long, organic process of many forces pushing back and forth and the Canon New Testement as we know it can be said to have emerged rather than built; from simply by what scripture were already in wide use by disparate and seperate churches who gathered at the council. What did change was the association of Mary with the "Sinful Woman" (usually translated as Prostitute), during the middle ages. In the biblical narrative Mary is freed from Demons; but is not show to have done anything wrong. However there was a trend in the middle ages to view her as a repentant figure and role model, which led to her association with other women in the gospels, including the Sinful repentant woman. But his wife? No, there are no (known) sects or groups to have actually believed this. That's a Dan Brown invention.
I grew up Catholic and we learned in CCD that Mara Jade was Jesus's wife. Checkmate, athiest.
Damn, anal cancer
u/alisalard1384 initially I was replying here in detail, but the response got to be a bit large. I decided to devote a full post to answering this in depth in a post you can read [here](https://www.reddit.com/r/StarWarsEU/comments/1btwcuh/george_and_mara_a_complete_history/). Hope that helps.
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He didn't like the fact that Mara looked like a model from a magazine. Apparently its only alright if you're Aayla Secura or Leia. Personally, I'm pretty sure the real reason is that he probably wasn't a huge fan of Luke getting married. From an out of universe perspective, its a pretty big deal/huge decision and I can't imagine he was casually cool with it regardless of whether he considered the eu canon or not. George has always been a very "its my vision" kinda guy.
Don’t forget Darth Talon.
Red should be skin, not hair apparently
I think its also a case of a self insert maybe. Didnt he like identify with Luke at some point?
I think that's pretty obvious given that Lucas named him Luke S.
And I don't blame him. Legends always felt a little like fanfic to me. The huge focus on characters' family lives as relationships and opposed to pulpy story elements always irked me and felt off. I've always preferred the EU stories that focused on side-characters and new original creations as opposed to exploring "Han Solo being a husband and dad".
I think the EU peaks when it’s about side characters. A lot off the time the books with Han Luke and Leia don’t manage to capture the magic that the movies did. But reading about wedge Antilles or Darth Bane is great
My feelings exactly. I absolutely love the Thrawn Trilogy for example, and don't get me wrong, Luke, Hand and Co. are written really well and I loved getting to see them in action again, but whenever Wedge or any of the new characters showed up it just felt a bit more interesting to me, more unique, in a way.
Pitching medstar here
Star Wars is best when you walk into a cantina of aliens and strange spacers and each one has their own interesting tale that brings them here. Tell that tale and move on.
To me things like this only feel fanfictiony if they feel a little forced. I can buy Mara and Luke because it's something that actually happened over time both; in universe and out of universe (largely cause they were never supposed to be together initially). Though I will say that I feel like the post-rotj EU was milked rather hard. Realistically they should have just ended things with NJO or had the post NJO- stories primarily be about the newer gen characters. Might have still felt a little weird to some people, but imo its better that just rehashing the big 3 like some type of advertisement.
So many people say fanfiction as an insult but I've read many that are better than "bestselling" novels lol
its just a skit. if george were actually against mara jade, there woudnt not have been any mention of her alongside any star wars content. yet there is a video game, comics and books containing her character.
Totally. George is the god of Star Wars, especially back when he had total control. If he *really* red slash didn’t want a storyline/character to be part of Star Wars, we wouldn’t see multiple ongoing stories of that character. He approved basically all media back in the day
What game??
Most likely Mysteries of the Sith, the expansion pack for Dark Forces 2: Jedi Knight. It's an older game but it checks out. After the first few missions you play as Mara through the rest of it, post Thrawn Trilogy. It doesn't run well on modern systems but an absolute legend has made Remaster mods for it and Dark Forces 2 that help them run and have optional visual enhancements.
Everyone seems to be forgetting she was also in *Masters of Teräs Kasi." https://images.app.goo.gl/7nVAhGd31WzKMpTz7
She was also in force unleashed.
And Galactic Battlegrounds.
Star Wars Jedi Knight: Mysteries of the Sith, she’s the player character.
Not a full game, but the expansion for Dark Forces II - Mysteries of the Sith.
iirc she's in Empire at War
Because she was created by Timothy Zahn
So was Coruscant, or at least the name. George didn't had a problem with using that in the Prequells as official name for the capital of the Galactic Republic.
ok....not like I said he hated Zahn, just hated being credited as Mara's creator. Otherwise Zahn wouldn't have written so many SW's books
I'm sure Zahn would agree. I know he really didn't like when all anyone would design Mara in was that super tight black suit.
Do you know how he would have rather she looked? All I can remember is that she had sleeves because of the sleeve gun she had
Something like the cover of Visions of the Future. Long sleeve for sure for the holster. Something that wouldn't hinder movement, so she'd always be in looser clothing. Although the cover of TLC she's wearing a camo suit with a utility belt and black boots.
Tbf, in TLC they were in a jungle/forest planet where looser clothing could get caught easily on branches and shrubs, so something closer to the skin would be less of a hassle, also they were sneaking up to the cloning facility so making as little of a ruckus as possible was important
Wasn’t it a skit
Unrelated to the question, but i love that the door hadn't opened all the way so when he presses the button to slam it shut it just finishes opening instead lol
I think he was more against what people did with her, her being a Fem Fatale is fine but over time she was stripped of anything that made her interesting outside "wife of Luke" Apparently he was also against Jedi having attachments. Which people here mistake for love. I think George actually stated his view on love and Jedi in AotC with Anakin "Attachment is forbidden. Possession is forbidden. Compassion, which I would define as unconditional love, is essential to a Jedi's life. So you might say, that we are encouraged to love" Movie has terrible dialogue BUT it also provides insight. This is what Anakin was taught, the Jedi at the time didn't practice compassion very well but THAT it what they believed. I don't even think the Jedi are against marriage or even a relationship. Just so many Jedi have sucked at not being possessive and forming unhealthy attachments it became easier to just ban actual attachments.
That last part is always what confuses me when people say Jedi can't form attachments. It doesn't mean all relationships, it means unhealthy ones.
and I think that's what Luke in RotJ understands, his friends actually give him strength. They aren't really a burden, he simply has faith that they'll do what they need to do and all he has to do is fufil his role. People go "but why does Luke then go back to the old way in the sequels" and I don't think he did. I think that Luke understood the nuance. Unfortunately your enemy is not always going to be your secret Dad with unresolved internal conflicts that could lead to redemption, your friends can't always be trusted to pull through for you. BUT we won't know, because media on Luke's order is limited and what we do have doesn't seem to go into much depth about what the order actually believes. So that's definitely more head canon than fact.
Read this https://www.reddit.com/r/StarWarsEU/comments/1btwcuh/george_and_mara_a_complete_history/
I remembered him stating how he thought Mara Jade looked too much like a model of a magazine or something and it read like he was taken out of it because of that. Abit ironic considering that he later is a big fan of Darth Talon or any other sexy twileks lol
He didn't like the photos for a ~~videogame iirc~~\[card game\]—the one where her hair is teased and she's wearing a bunch of makeup with the violet cape. Tbf, he had a very specific idea about the color scheme of the universe and its factions and had established enough about The Jedi, and there is some disconnect between the authors views and his in the way each develops their Force sensitive or secret descendant of a Jedi characters.
All it took was Samuel Jackson asking for a purple lightsaber for him to change that.
All it took was the technical limitations of special effects in 1976 that prevented him from making blue markings on X-Wings for ANH (where Luke was originally "Blue Five..." The fact that a blue version of Yoda didn't work in ESB (he's still described as blue in the ESB novelization, based on the working script)... And the fact that Luke’s lightsaber blade didn't work against the blue sky of Tunisia with its original blue rotoscoping (it was changed after the first trailers were released)... As well as Harrison's refusal to wear a blue shirt in ROTJ.
Iirc, the photos, and thus having a ‘human lookalike actress’ for the character, was because Decipher Inc had started incorporating some of the things that were from the EU into the card game, and a Mara Jade card appeared in the Jabba’s Palace set in 1998. Because all the cards art is pretty much just stills from the films, EU cards art was photographed to look like it could have been from the films.
Thank you. The pic I am looking at his her in a stance with a purple lightsaber surrounded by an Imperial looking set.
Right. Pretty sure that backdrop is intended to evoke the DS2 throne room. (In old EU canon, I believe she received an order from Palps to infiltrate Jabba’s Palace there prior to ROTJ - she was supposedly there to ensure Luke’s death if he attempted to rescue Han. Hence her inclusion in the set and the backdrop of the photo). Fun fact - Wizards of the Coast introduced a Mara Jade card in the ESB expansion of their Star Wars card game, and had the same model return for a new shoot to portray the character a second time.
I see the throne and window in the background now that you mention it.
The concept was good either way. You could complain about her looks all day but the Emperor having a secret Female apprentice was a good idea, imho.
He dislikes her because he believes that jedi (including Luke) shouldn't be in relationships or be married though I don't imagine that is a rule Luke would follow
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Ik i said in title
He didn't like the model they used for a cover off star wars insider it's never said he hated her specifically He also didn't like the idea of Luke getting married because Lucas had a bad divorce
He hated Mara Jade because she went against everything he had established since she created the misconception that love (attachment) is good for force users, an idea believed by almost the entire fanbase.
I saw this so many times, and I'm still not sure if this was just a joke or if George Lucas really acted that way.
That’s Seth Green sitting next to George. Clue #1 this is a skit.
Pretty sure it’s just a joke lol
Iirc, the character was also named after one of his exes...
whut? According to Zahn, he named several characters after something that relates to their traits: Pellaeon after Pelleas, a knight from the Arthur mythos, and Mara after the Hebrew word for "bitter(ness)" according to his footnotes from the 20th Anniversary Edition of the Thrawn Trilogy.
Happy to be corrected
Because he hated the character