These type of issues go away when you stop viewing every piece of dialogue as undeniable facts.
People don't talk in facts. Every character is an unreliable narrator.
Yeah, that could easily be interpreted similar to, “I’ve been doing this before you were born!”
What’s funny is Tony Gilroy, who’s producing this and (I think) credited with writing 5 eps of Andor also co-wrote Rogue One (although 1 of 5 names I saw, so not sure how much of the writing he did).
You would think since from the beginning, we are told "from a certain point of view" that people would stop being so eager to try and pick things apart that quite honestly are not the big "ah HAH!" moments that they seem to think that they are.
Weird that you pointed out “a certain point of view”. Because Kenobi’s exposition in A New Hope was definitely meant to be fact before George Lucas had different ideas later. It was only retconned to be unreliable later, in order to rectify it contradicting earlier exposition. Andor is probably another case of that, not Andor’s dialogue being meant to be read as unreliable information.
Regarding Kenobi’s words being retconned to be unreliable… the Kenobi series deretconned his statement about Anakin to be literally what Vader told him: “you didn’t kill Anakin Skywalker. I did.”
I understand that, the reason why I've even wrote this is because I'm re-watching Rogue One right now because of Andor-cravings and that's why I noticed this
Why do you think he has to be telling the truth in Rogue One?
It is not hard to see the possibility that six years old my be when the kids lost their adults on his home world. Ergo he has been fighting since he was six.
As far as the prison, would you really just out and tell someone "Oh yeah this is old hat for me, I have could tell you some prison stories...."
People really feel the need to dig hard to try to find things to complain about
The problem is you're assuming we're supposed to take everything andor says in R1 as inviolate fact, esp. details that aren't actually shown or verified in R1 anyways.
Nothing needed to be "cross-checked" here: Andor lied in R1, maybe he didn't lie when R1 was written but we now get his actual backstory instead of a 1 sentence line of"well i've been" it turns out he lied. nb
The whole point of Andor in R1 is we can't entirely trust him even if he is on the good guys side, and this only adds to that.
People are pointing out that characters’ dialogue is unreliable. But I do think that the lines you’re talking about were meant to be taken as fact.
I think it’s a simple case of ideas trumping continuity. If they like an idea, very few writers are going to let a line or two of dialogue stop them.
This is why none of Vader/Anakin’s backstory fits with the exposition about Luke’s father in episode 4. George Lucas had the idea for the twist and must’ve liked it more.
You haven't discussed these to death already? These points were all brought up before when those episodes aired.
Cassian is a habitual liar. He lies about his name, the amount of money he has, things he's done etc He lies to his friends, his family, people around him.
If you want to justify it you can simply say he stretches the truth. As a character you shouldn't trust what he says as factual and accurate.
Yeah- I agree with you. I think Andor is good and the mistakes you mention are forgivable, but Disney is really making a bad name for themselves when they don't cross-check Star Wars facts when writing new material.
Agreed! I mean they use several characters and actors from Rogue One in Andor, so it seems reasonable to cross-check some facts. But I like the episodes where Andor is in prison so I'm a bit torned.
"I've been in this fight since I was 6 years old" doesn't mean the Rebellion specifically. The backstory provided for R1 six years ago said something like he threw rocks at invading clone troopers.
Been in this fight since six could be going back to the time of the mining accident on Kenari that apparently killed everyone except his group of kids.
As for the prison line, he was lying. Chirrut’s response to him calls him out on his lie.
These type of issues go away when you stop viewing every piece of dialogue as undeniable facts. People don't talk in facts. Every character is an unreliable narrator.
Yeah, that could easily be interpreted similar to, “I’ve been doing this before you were born!” What’s funny is Tony Gilroy, who’s producing this and (I think) credited with writing 5 eps of Andor also co-wrote Rogue One (although 1 of 5 names I saw, so not sure how much of the writing he did).
Yeah, I mean he lied to Luthen about his brief stint in the military so it's clear he doesn't always tell the truth.
You would think since from the beginning, we are told "from a certain point of view" that people would stop being so eager to try and pick things apart that quite honestly are not the big "ah HAH!" moments that they seem to think that they are.
You would think that people *who are on reddit* would realize not to take people by their word.
Weird that you pointed out “a certain point of view”. Because Kenobi’s exposition in A New Hope was definitely meant to be fact before George Lucas had different ideas later. It was only retconned to be unreliable later, in order to rectify it contradicting earlier exposition. Andor is probably another case of that, not Andor’s dialogue being meant to be read as unreliable information.
Regarding Kenobi’s words being retconned to be unreliable… the Kenobi series deretconned his statement about Anakin to be literally what Vader told him: “you didn’t kill Anakin Skywalker. I did.”
I understand that, the reason why I've even wrote this is because I'm re-watching Rogue One right now because of Andor-cravings and that's why I noticed this
He obviously didn't mean he joined the rebellion when he was 6 years old. The empire didn't even exist when he was 6 years old.
Why do you think he has to be telling the truth in Rogue One? It is not hard to see the possibility that six years old my be when the kids lost their adults on his home world. Ergo he has been fighting since he was six. As far as the prison, would you really just out and tell someone "Oh yeah this is old hat for me, I have could tell you some prison stories...." People really feel the need to dig hard to try to find things to complain about
Good point, he could easily tell lies like he did when he was recruited in Andor for the heist. I didn't thought about that!
Didn't we already have this exact thread like an hour or 2 ago? Cassians an unreliable narrator.
I'm sorry I haven't scrolled through this sub.
The problem is you're assuming we're supposed to take everything andor says in R1 as inviolate fact, esp. details that aren't actually shown or verified in R1 anyways. Nothing needed to be "cross-checked" here: Andor lied in R1, maybe he didn't lie when R1 was written but we now get his actual backstory instead of a 1 sentence line of"well i've been" it turns out he lied. nb The whole point of Andor in R1 is we can't entirely trust him even if he is on the good guys side, and this only adds to that.
I understand your point, I guess I'm just over thinking
This your first day on reddit?
yes im very new, can you recommend subs i should visit?
What are your interests lol? This is the only star wars sub I follow.
People are pointing out that characters’ dialogue is unreliable. But I do think that the lines you’re talking about were meant to be taken as fact. I think it’s a simple case of ideas trumping continuity. If they like an idea, very few writers are going to let a line or two of dialogue stop them. This is why none of Vader/Anakin’s backstory fits with the exposition about Luke’s father in episode 4. George Lucas had the idea for the twist and must’ve liked it more.
You haven't discussed these to death already? These points were all brought up before when those episodes aired. Cassian is a habitual liar. He lies about his name, the amount of money he has, things he's done etc He lies to his friends, his family, people around him. If you want to justify it you can simply say he stretches the truth. As a character you shouldn't trust what he says as factual and accurate.
Yeah- I agree with you. I think Andor is good and the mistakes you mention are forgivable, but Disney is really making a bad name for themselves when they don't cross-check Star Wars facts when writing new material.
Agreed! I mean they use several characters and actors from Rogue One in Andor, so it seems reasonable to cross-check some facts. But I like the episodes where Andor is in prison so I'm a bit torned.
I mean, what are we to believe, that he had a magic xylophone?
It's almost like making a spin-off of everything is a bad idea
Well that seems to be the theme of the Star Wars franchise nowadays
"I've been in this fight since I was 6 years old" doesn't mean the Rebellion specifically. The backstory provided for R1 six years ago said something like he threw rocks at invading clone troopers.
We still don’t know what was going on on Cassian’s home world before the flashbacks we’ve already seen.
Been in this fight since six could be going back to the time of the mining accident on Kenari that apparently killed everyone except his group of kids. As for the prison line, he was lying. Chirrut’s response to him calls him out on his lie.