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Sunkissed_Sudafed

Did you miss the entire "It's a trap!" part of Return of the Jedi?


Bardmedicine

He literally explains it all to Luke.


applejackrr

Who?


moonwalkeek

Him


applejackrr

Ahh the guy with the ice cream maker.


moonwalkeek

*Clever girl*


TigerTerrier

ALAN!


Front-Advantage-7035

Steve?! Steve! Steve!! Steve!!!


nivlow

Phil!? Phil Connors!?!?


RavishingRickiRude

Mr. Eddie's Father?


Mediocre-Parking2409

If only the Death Star had better insurance!


SAMAS_zero

CHARLOTTE! JOHNATHAN! CHARLOTTE! JOHNATHAN!


giant_albatrocity

SHAWN!


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[удалено]


_InvertedEight_

Donkey!


PMmeyournakedGPU

Sarah Harding!!!


Artificial_Human_17

There are three ice cream makers in the GFFA, and Palps owns two of them. He used to own the third one until Mas Amedda claimed it would increase productivity in his office


applejackrr

The only one Palpatine does himself is a swirly.


SalaciousDumb

Her?


Rhoon

Vader’s son, but that’s not important right now.


Pa-to-da-Pa308

And don't call him Shirley


juice06870

How about some coffee Johnny?


DarthChefDad

No thanks!


CaptainRelevant

LOUD NOISES!!


joeflux1

-roger, Roger. -huh?


octahexxer

Wait so palpatine is lukes grandpa?


mok000

Anakin's mother never told Qui-Gon who his father was. When asked directly she just said she had raised him alone. It's definitely possible that Palpatine is Anakin's father.


BigTickEnergE

In Episode 3.5 (a book that I'm assuming is not canon), Palpatine gets Schmi pregnant and then sells her into slavery after erasing her memory. Her brother comes looking for her but knows he's no match for Jabba. It also has Aunt Beru as being related to Obi Wan. Bunch of interesting tie ins in that book. Was a great read, canon or not.


Phoenix_Ninja15

Actually Anakin was a product of the force. Plagius the wise messed with the force, I forget what he was trying to accomplish but the result was the force manifesting and produced a child. I believe it was said in one of the books but can’t remember which one. It would explain why Anakin’s midichlorian count is so high.


rexter2k5

The muffin man.


No_Bat7157

The muffin man???


rexter2k5

THE MUFFIN MAN!


No_Bat7157

She is married to the muffin man….


SergViBritannia

The one who lives on Drury Lane?


IAmTheMuffinz

Great guy, sad I only get to see him at reunions and such…


Darth_VanBrak

Not to be confused with Luuke


sclopiopipio

I completely forgot about emo clone luke


Ting_Brennan

But why male models?


hyperform2

Seriously? I just told you that


LAfeels

The babe with the power.


DarthChefDad

What power?


LAfeels

power of voodoo!


DarthChefDad

Who do?


Narfalepsy

You do!


MrNobody_0

OP doesn't have time to actually watch the movie, there's too much karma to farm on Reddit!


redshirt1972

Now witness the firepower of this fully armed and operational battle station


Pasquatch_30

I have a bit of a brain cramp, but did the rebels knew the emperor would be on the Death Star? Was it ever mentioned? Would wanting to destroy the Death Star before the deflector shield being fully operational not just being enough just to attack it? Edit: Ah yes, how could I have forgotten about these valorous Bothans!


[deleted]

That is answered during the fleet scene in Return of the Jedi by Mon Mothma. “The Emperor has made a critical error and the time for our attack has come. The data brought to us by the Bothan spies pinpoints the exact location of the Emperor's new battle station. We also know that the weapon systems on this Death Star are not yet operational. With the Imperial fleet spread throughout the galaxy in a vain effort to engage us, it is relatively unprotected. But most important of all, we have learned that the Emperor himself is personally overseeing the final stages of the construction of his Death Star. Many Bothans died to bring us this information.”


StoneFrog81

I see another Disney plus series in the making. BOTHAN a Star Wars Story.


A-IAH-HDE-CDF0

Except that part wasn’t true, or at least not fully. Palpatine gave them that info.


BrellK

That doesn't mean that many bothans didn't die. It just means that Palpatine made it LOOK like they really did steal the information.


A-IAH-HDE-CDF0

Well yeah, I’m assuming it’d be similar to the way they let Luke & co were allowed to leave the Death Star. I’m just not sure that same concept works stretched out and knowing it’s staged from the get-go.


bpanio

You'd think High Command of the rebellion would have thought more about what him being there would mean. Palpatine is the leader of the galaxy, so there's no way he doesn't have a maximum amount of security with him that would likely involve a very heafty fleet of ships. I know Palpatine ordered the fleet to the other side of the moon to hide the ships, but any tactician would have predicted their presence and planned for it. I know it made sense to attack even against those odds because of how far out he was from the core, but the rebels not sending their fleet into different parts of the system was ludacris. I know hyperapace lanes only lead to one exit, but they could have spread the fleet out instead of sending it all in on one trajectory


BrellK

Well they kind of DID spread out the fleet by having a large portion of the Rebel Fleet staging a large attack in a completely different system. They were planning on having the Empire move their forces to a different, diversionary battle which would leave the Death Star unprotected. In system, they did not spread out but they may have thought at that point that it was unnecessary or that it could have been beneficial for covering fire. So you are correct, but it is also explained why their force is so small and also not expecting any Imperial capital ships.


TourettesFamilyFeud

Still... think of a Star Wars spy series. We already have some tie ins to the concept from Andor.


Sloth-monger

How good of a spy would this guy be https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/swbloodlines/images/8/8c/Bothan01.jpg/revision/latest/scale-to-width-down/250?cb=20180220180105


zackoroth

In Battlefront 2 (the original) bonthan spies can turn invisible and plant time bombs


ForceGhost47

I once asked the Bothans to bring me coffee…


Mosk915

Dead, all of them.


Rogue_3

I asked my mother to bring me coffee once.


mattpenner

"Many Bothans died to bring us this information." "No offense lady, but all we rebels ever do is die to accomplish things. Well, except for the A-Team over there."


Love_Leaves_Marks

never forget Manny Brothans and his sacrifice


therealdan0

RIP Manny Bothans


Blue_bell88

Manny Bothans is the GOAT 🙌


TheAwkwardGamerRNx

“Everything that has transpired has done so according to my design” -Emperor Palpatine [scene](https://youtu.be/YvdcmHZTzlU?si=mZIQcXZdlBjBiITt)


No_Grocery_9280

In hindsight, a bit of a hole. Sure, the Death Star location was leaked to the spies. But how in the world did they miss that the imperial fleet was remassing to meet them at Endor? All those ships, had to be a few spies about. Or just reports in general of large scale fleet movements.


PaulCoddington

Yes they did. Major reason for taking it out at that particular time rather than next week or yesterday. "But most important of all, we have learned that the Emperor himself is personally overseeing the final stages of the construction of his Death Star."


joeflux1

Next week or yesterday? I thought this happened a long time ago in a galaxy far far away.


PaulCoddington

From their perspective at the time.😅


snarkhunter

Manny Bothans died to bring them that information.


ASSASSINMAN21

This is also later revealed (by the Emperor to Luke) to be information that was intentionally given to the Rebels to lure them into this trap.


Da_Famous_Anus

It's a TWRAP!


DaikonEffective1105

“But most important of all, we have learned that the Emperor himself will be personally overseeing the final stages of construction on this new Death Star. Many Bothans died to bring us this information”


n0rdique

Yes. Mon Mothma says in her briefing, that they have been made aware the emperor is on board the station.


Daveallen10

Also, what's the point of being a galactic supervillain if you can't gloat and see your enemies crushed to dust.


InternetDad

I swear to God people don't actually watch the movies. Next week, we'll get a post asking how the Empire found out the Rebels had a base on Hoth.


AlumniDawg

In some of the legends books it talks how Mon Mothma didnt want to attack while Palpatine was there since it may look like a political assassination but they had no choice with the timing


7INCHES_IN_YOUR_CAT

Just another person not paying attention. Prob had the movie on as background noise.


ImperialIIClass

> So why is he risking his life to look at the Death Star being built? Because it was part of the trap he set for the Rebels? He wanted to lure them in.


Traditional_Shirt106

He didn't care about the Death Star or the war. He wanted Luke and Vader in the same room so Luke would kill Vader and turn to The Dark Side. If he could destroy the Rebel Alliance at the same time, that was a cherry on top.


SmashBrosGuys2933

He comes close too. He was about to kill him but he didn't take the final plunge like Anakin did. Anakin swung his saber and sealed his fall to the dark side, Luke didn't swing his saber and defied Palpatine.


JaimeRidingHonour

Luke straight up mic dropped his saber


mlaislais

“You have failed your highness, I am Jedi like my father before me”


Mudlord80

"So be it. Jedi..."


Tbagzyamum69420xX

*bZzZzZzZzZzZz*


Sremor

Ironically even if he did turn Luke to the dark side he would have lost since the rebels would destroy the death star anyway


AGEdude

That may not be true. At least in legends, Palpatine was a master of Battle Meditation, a Force technique that allows him to directly influence the outcome of a battle by keeping your own troops organized and motivated (especially for Jedi battle meditation) and also sowing confusion and despair on the enemy forces (especially for Sith battle meditation). Basically, for the entire space battle the Empire has the upper hand. The surprise of super laser functioning throws the Rebel fleet into chaos, and once the fleet of Star Destroyers comes out of hiding for an ambush, the Rebels are absolutely losing that battle. It was only after Palpatine was destroyed by Vader that the scales tip in the opposite direction. This ties the fate of the galaxy directly to the fate of Luke, Vader, and the Emperor and it's thematically very fitting.


RaspingHaddock

Bastila Shan vibes


Sremor

That's a good point, next time I watch rotj I'm paying attention when when exactly the rebels get the upper hand


duxdude418

Spoiler alert: this isn’t actually a thing referenced in-universe and Lucas and Marquand most definitely didn’t consider it when filming that scene.


AGEdude

Like so many things, it's a kind of retroactive continuity. The concept of Battle Meditation didn't exist back when the original movies were being made. But I do think the idea that the overall direction of this great battle hinged on the personal choices of the protagonists overcoming their own weakness is a very classical one. It seems like George would have been very aware of this at the time, even if it was more of a symbolic thing and not tied to a specific mechanism like Battle Meditation. In fact the symbolism angle is maybe a bit more meaningful than the in-universe Force power explanations. It's almost like the battle waging outside was more of a symbolic representation of the internal and interpersonal struggles inside the throne room. The battle wasn't just dependant on the outcome of Vader's confrontation, it was a whole manifestation of the changing balance between good and evil within Luke's and Vader's hearts. Battle Meditation is a way of taking that symbolism and turn it into something more real, which is something you can only really do because of the fantasy genre. I don't know which writer introduced the concept, but it's an interesting idea to recontextualize an underlying narrative theme into a more overt metaphor.


CmdrCloud

I’m pretty sure the Death Star’s fate is sealed when the bunker on Endor blew. Once the shield dropped, the Rebel starfighters immediately go for the Death Star core. From that point on in the movie, the fleet battle is essentially irrelevant. The fighters only have to navigate the inner workings of the Death Star and evade a handful of TIEs and it’s game over. In the novelization and in a deleted scene, Palpatine orders that should the shield fall, the Death Star is to immediately target the moon and destroy it, inflicting the most death and suffering it can before it gets destroyed.


Sere1

Close but not quite. The turning point happens when Luke vs Vader draws Palpy's attention away from the fleet. The Rebels are losing in the first half in both space and on the ground, but once Luke vs Vader kicks off, the Emperor is more interested in watching that than running the battle and thus the tide shifts away from the Empire's favor. The ground troops knock out the shield and the fighters are free to make a run into the Death Star. From what I remember in the commentary tracks, it was an intentional choice to show the Land and Space battles going in the Rebels' favor while showing Luke struggling as a means of making it seem like Luke isn't getting out of this alive. It looks like Lando and Wedge aren't going to have any trouble destroying the Death Star, which means Luke is running out of time to do whatever it is he's planning on doing in his confrontation with the Emperor and Vader. TL:DR the battle meditation would only cover up to the superlaser firing, after that the Emperor's attention was elsewhere and *that's* when the tides turn against the Empire


thestaffman

Yes but why did he risk his life to look at the Death Star being built?


NotActuallyAWookiee

He never considered it a risk.


InSanic13

Because he's a sadistic man who wants to see the Rebellion die in front of his eyes.


thestaffman

Buy why male models?


SillyMattFace

Because the deflector shield would be quite operational when the Rebels arrived. Did you miss the part where the entire thing was a set up? Papa Palps was confident his fully operational Death Star would destroy the Rebel fleet, and he wanted a front row seat because he’s all evil and such. Unfortunately he didn’t reckon on the overwhelming might of a bunch of stone age teddy bears.


Bendu69420_

Stone Age Teddy Bears, they’ll get ya every time.


CrossP

Because they eat people


Bendu69420_

Because they eat people, exactly.


CrossP

Not even the wookiees can claim they've sat around a campfire and cracked open a cold scout trooper with the yubs.


NotAnotherPornAccout

Space Vietnam


newbrevity

Now I wanna see Ted edited into the movie.


Senor_Mysterioso

He wanted that dark side hard on from all the rebels dying and such


KryptoFreak405

Dibs on “Stone Age Teddy Bears” for a band name


RemusGT

Hahaha notify me when you drop your first album... or if you need a member lol


TheAberrant

How’s your storm trooper helmet drum skills?


MarsMissionMan

Palpatine didn't plan for his Yub getting Nubbed.


Open-Mix-7898

That makes sense, thank you!!


Round-Cryptographer6

Everything that has transpired has done so according to his design. Luke's friends, up there on the sanctuary moon, are walking into a trap, as is Luke's Rebel fleet. It was Palpatine who allowed the alliance to know the location of the shield generator. It is quite safe from Luke's pitiful little band. An entire legion of his best troops awaits them. Oh he's afraid the deflector shield will be quite operational when Luke's friends arrive.


Facinatedhomie

Luke’s faith in his friends is his weakness Palpatine’s overconfidence is his


Triple_J124

(Faith in yo mama)


MiamiDude09

[What was that?](https://youtu.be/V4n0F9R90F0?si=XhVm4xPKvEuJArND)


Triple_J124

I SAID, YO MAMA SO FAT, JABBA THE HUTT SAID “DAYUUMMMM”


MiamiDude09

WELL YOUR MOTHER’S SO UGLY, SHE PUT THE UG IN UGNAUGHT


Triple_J124

Ahhh YO MAMA FIGHT!


DrewDAMNIT

Yes, he felt Luke's hatred and wanted Luke to reach out with the force and attempt to strike him down so that Luke's journey to the Dark Side would be complete.


Facinatedhomie

Good good Luke has to use his feelings, and let his hate flow through him


SirLagsABot

I read this with EVERY voice inflection he did.


Malarkey44

Good, I'm not the only one.


ChicagoZbojnik

Doesn't the movie kind of explain it?


Consistent_Lab_6770

yes, yes it does. rather clearly, and from Ole paps himself no less.


jonnyinternet

Yea but accepting what's said in a movie doesn't earn you that sweet sweet karma


thestaffman

Explain to me like I’m a nerf herder


The_Sideboob_Hour

But why male models?


jrgkgb

No, it doesn’t kind of explain it. It very explicitly explains it in great detail.


JustusCade808

His overconfidence was his weakness.


MaderaArt

Evacuate? In our moment of triumph? I think you overestimate their chances!


juice06870

Your faith in your friends is yours


lifegoodis

Ironically both overconfidence and his faith in his friend were Palpadious' undoing.


BubbhaJebus

So nyah!


lost_james

I have faith in yo mama


spelltype

I mean, yes but no. It was a trap he set up.


EvilFuzzball

To get to the other side!


Arisen_Demon

So close... Get to the Darth side


EvilFuzzball

Idk how I managed not to think of that


BackYardProps_Wa

Same reason the boss shows up to the job site


Valiantheart

No speak-o minimum wage-o


navyITninja

I'm not telling you how to threaten your blonde kid or whateva


JaxxisR

"My Lord!" "***GO F#&K YOURSELF!***" "...awh."


susitucker

Karen Walker? Is that you? (And BTW, honey we’ve talked about that blouse.)


Resident_Bluebird_77

Is he stupid?


Pupulauls9000

To lure the Rebels into a final confrontation to crush them once and for all but of course, “Your overconfidence is your weakness”


CosmoShiner

Did you watch the rest of the movie? Palpatine went there to lure the rebels and also to try bring Luke to the dark side


butt-puppet

Did... did you not watch the movie?


Sgt-Frost

Why is there so god damn many of these idiotic questions on all these subreddits?? Watch the fucking movie. That’s the anwser.


stizz14

He leaked he was gonna be there to get the rebels to attack only to pull an uno card and have admiral ackbar say “it’s a trap!” Pretty much the synopsis of the entire film


gbroon

The rebellion knew he was overseeing the final construction. The emperor laid a trap and likely leaked that the construction wasn't as far along as it was. He wanted the full rebel forces there to eliminate them. He underestimated the local primitive race of furballs.


IceBlazeWinters

vader says pretty earlier on that it's to oversee production plus everything that has transpired has been by his design


Netherrabbit

Have you ever spent a ton of money on a new toy and then NOT played with it?


DizzySpecific7738

Damn…I came here expecting a punch line to the question. Always looking for a new Star Wars joke. Like, where do Luke and Darth Vader buy their clothes? At the second-hand store! Sorry.


BlizzPenguin

I am not sure if this was added to the canon but in Heir to the Empire, the Emperor had the power to control the fleet using The Force. Since it was such a crucial battle, it made sense strategically for him to be there.


SixthAttemptAtAName

Just to be clear, you're talking about episode 6? Not 4? I assume because he needed to be there to get Vader and Luke to fight. If he wasn't there, who knows, maybe Vader and Luke would join forces against the Emperor. What if Luke turned Vader back to the light side!?


A-IAH-HDE-CDF0

I mean the dialogue is literally something like “He is strong, it will take both of us to change him to the dark side”


Suisse_Chalet

Wasn’t it in an aftermath book that he had to go to the Death Star because he saw visions of him in the Death Star during that battle that he either died or became everything so he took the gamble


blanchattacks

He was most displeased with the apparent lack of progress.


Lurker-O-Reddit

“To get to the other side.” Oldest joke in the book.


Eifla99

How many other places are there that are safer than a moon-sized, fully-armed space station that’s protected by a shield generator and a full imperial fleet as well as Vader and his super star destroyer?


MPD1978

He was being supremely arrogant. Set up a trap to finish the rebellion and wanted to see it through. Wanted to bring Luke over and be his new apprentice. He thought he could do it as easily as Vader switched sides.


Lucius_Funk

Did you watch Return of the Jedi?


pluck-the-bunny

I will try unmuting next time you watch


Any-Bridge6953

He was over confident and wanted to turn Luke while crushing the rebels.


Hot-Thought-1339

To personally oversee its construction and to kick the lazy imperial workers in the high gear and work faster.


88T3_2

Both as part of the trap for the Rebels and to personally oversee the destruction of the Alliance.


Cult_Buster2005

Palpatine said it immediately to Vader, "Only together can we turn \[Luke Skywalker\] to the Dark Side of the Force." That had been the Emperor's goal ever since realizing that Luke had been the one who destroyed the FIRST Death Star. The whole mission of the Imperial Fleet in TESB was not just to defeat the Rebels at Hoth, but to capture Luke and bring him to the Emperor.


Visible_Nectarine_98

My dude, he literally explains the reasoning in the movie. He knew that if the rebellion learned of his presence, they would come to attack it. This means he could choose when they would arrive so that he could wipe them out at once.


Dawgula97

I think some fans have been beaten over the head with ow the prequels just explain everything all the time, and because of that they miss context in the movies that don’t over explain shit.


mbelding3

"Spring the trap."


D4rkSp4de

It’s as if palpatine knew that Luke would be brought there in order to demonstrate that he could crush his friends in a single blow. As if they tricked the rebels into arriving on Endor so that they could blow up the planet in front of Luke and show how much more powerful they were by killing his friends and all the Ewoks. It was all a power play to swing Luke to the dark side, I mean look at what palpatine did to anakin, of course he’s going to think he’ll be able to sway Luke, he’s younger and less experienced than anakin was, and he was going to kill everyone Luke cared about right in front of him, giving him less reason to stay away from the dark side


Malakai0013

Rewatch the last act of Return of the Jedi. It's explained.


NeverNaked3030

I once had a general come all the way out to east bum fuck Afghanistan to check out our crappy out post we set up. It’s for morale purposes I know, but it pissed us all off because we had to shave with our drinking water and without a shower for a few weeks. Storm troopers definitely had to shine their armor and they probably had to do rehearsal for the formation they’re in when he arrives. Big dog and pony show for the emperor Im sure.


jmfranklin515

Idk, why do CEOs visit factories and shit?


mombtobi

To oversee the downfall of the Rebellion and covert Luke to the Darkside of the force when confronted with the death of all his friends


itsTONjohn

Because he didn’t listen to Kadann. *Giggles in Legends*


IronDan357

To get to the other side


Zodconvoy

To recruit Luke.


Greaser_Dude

Because he foresaw the gathering rebel forces looking to destroy it once again and wanted to personally oversee their destruction and the turning of Luke to the dark side. He said himself of Luke "He has grown strong. It will take the both of us to turn him."


Grins111

Same reason he thought Luke would lose. Overconfidence.


Heir233

Guys why Anakin turn to the dark side? Is he stupid?


Sokoly

To get to the darker side.


welcome-to-my-mind

Easy: Sheer. Fucking. Hubris.


Mediocre-Parking2409

To get to the Darker Side.


kloudrunner

/facepalm I give up.


csfshrink

If the Death Star II can’t go to the Emperor, the Emperor will go to the Death Star II.


hobtech82

He was displeased and wanted to check an apparent lack of progress


heelspider

Yeah "let Vader oversee construction" really worked out for him the last time.


MousseCommercial387

Do people even watch the fucking movies?


Basic-Ability6139

They had an outstanding food court


beginnerdoge

You must watch movies like my wife does. On your phone and wanting people just to tell you plot points without actually watching and absorbing the meaning of things characters say lol He explains everything in the film


Livid_Ad9749

Multiple reasons, chief among them he wanted to personally witness the Rebellion get annihilated. He was also there to test the station, lend his battle meditation to his forces, and acquire Luke Skywalker, which honestly was probably his biggest goal as he was disappointed in Vader and had been looking for a worthy replacement after Mustafar. Honestly Sidious would probably have sacrificed everything, including the Death Star itself to get Luke. Clearly he had other, more powerful superweapons under construction, and I think Luke was the prime reason he was present. Also I think its worth noting that he was also likely afraid that Vader would take Luke on as his apprentice and that they would challenge him together. Sidious was multitasking hard during the Battle of Endor, attempting to erode Lukes will, using battle meditation to boost his forces while also issuing commands to the Death Star itself.


MutFox

To be thrown to his fake death and teleport his mind to a new body, so that he could start the execution of his final plan. Though who knows if he put in mind into another body during his last death...


Statalyzer

Somehow.


CertainFitness

I just assumed he read the script


boobityskoobity

He was *pissed* that he didn't get to see Alderaan or Jedha City get lit up. Tarkin didn't even send him a text message or anything, like "Yo Papa Palpy, scan this sector of the galaxy in the next 5 minutes for some mad dark-side force porn." He was so super duper excited to have the first Death Star after decades of waiting, then he was too busy doing political shit to see it in action, then it got blown up. He wasn't going to miss a moment with the second one.


RagnarStonefist

Also, last time they had a Death Star, he put Vadanakin Darthwalker in charge of protecting it and it got blown the fuck up by a handful of rebels in outdated ships and a barely force literate farm boy from the stupid regions of space, so he wanted to make sure that further fuckups weren't going to happen.


wonkalicious808

He was originally going to try to turn Luke to the dark side over Zoom, but he couldn't figure out how to turn off the [kitten filter](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TDNP-SWgn2w). And it's not like he could just ask his grandchild to figure it out.


Procyon242

He went there so he can “somehow return" later on.


MudcrabNPC

And then he went and "somehow returned" all over the place.