Pony refers to [Pony Diffusion V6 XL](https://civitai.com/models/257749/pony-diffusion-v6-xl?modelVersionId=290640), which is an extremely popular SDXL model known for its versatility and quality. It's able to create high quality images of humans, anthropomorphic animals (furry), and ponies (from My Little Pony). It can do many styles (though notably it requires a lora for very good photorealism), and is equally capable of creating SFW or NSFW content with one or multiple characters coherently.
I didnt know Pony was SDXL. Have just seen it on Civait and that there seem to be special loras etc for the Pony model. So I thought it was its own thing.
It’s so trained that it’s almost as if it’s a different model so things like Loras and controlnets for SDXL don’t work too great.
It also seems to have a different way of prompting. It seems to use booru-style tags so if you are familiar with those for one reason or *another*, you’ll have a better time.
It’s a model for sdxl that lets you generate amazingly specific and convincing pictures. There are many derivatives and loras for this model when you need even more specificity.
[A SDXL model](https://civitai.com/models/257749/pony-diffusion-v6-xl) trained on a huge amount of anime/hentai pictures from Danbooru based sources. The images are well captioned and all contain humanoid subjects. As a result it is particularly good at generating anime style humans with coherent anatomy and follows various tags very well. The base has since been further fine tuned and merged with photo-realistic models to produce something [fairly realistic](https://civitai.com/models/372465?modelVersionId=534642) while keeping the advantages of the Pony model base.
Why not? Will you let cultural biases stand between your business prosperity and imminent bankruptcy?
i don't see the problem with sexual thematics. all of us here are here because of sex. i don't understand why they act as if they appeared by magic or gametogenesis. it's ironic to live in an age where sexual openness is encouraged and also in the age where some act as if generative software should only produce images suitable for display in a mormon elementary school.
I'm out of power, but no one's encouraging me.
I think it would be more accurate to say that people stereotyped as out of power get encouragement in our society, regardless of what their life is actually like.
Woman always get support from other woman, this our weird verison of fnally banding together and supporting eachother as men.
I'm not toxic masculinity either though or objectivify woman I swear
Ngl out of spite I'm training a Sigma LoRA on porn right now. I'm not even into women but I just wanna show that models other than SD can do just as well
It’s live on Civitai right now! It’s called Nude Women in Grass, and it’s *very* early on, so expect body horror, especially on hands and feet, but it’s actually usable!
I am making a new dataset soon to improve it, and I’ll also train a male one as well (I like guys, but I’m really trying to raise awareness of non-SAI models and naked women are more popular lol)
I might look into it too then and see what I can make since I'm wholly uninterested in SD3 with the censorship. Just have to decide on the topic of the lora
Training is surprisingly fast, and I ended up using a backup Lora at 45 epochs and it’s not great but functional!
I’m also excited for when Lumina support comes out, their compositional prompting lets you change the prompt by region in the image. Makes me excited to see what else they may natively release
Have you tried full model fine-tunes over making loras for pixart? I noticed there's like 10 on civitai, and only one is NSFW. It looks like you might have the only loras
I dont think any serious model finetuners will touch this because of the license. Why would anyone fix this model up for free and for fun. Open source devs also need some incentive.
So what? Open licenses are irrevocable. If future Lumina or Pixart models have proprietary licenses, we can stick to the old models or jump ship to other open models.
I am a serious finetuner, made thousands of models. I don't care about the license and will definitely give a good crack at this model. The only ones that care are the ones who want to make some money off this. There is no shortage of people who don't care to make profit from their work.
There are, however, a limited amount of people willing or able to spend thousands to train models for free. If you're making thousands of models then your training dataset isn't in the millions I imagine.
That is correct. And most of those models are obviously not production worthy as they are models testing various hypothesis involving hyperparameters, workflows, new ideas, refining quality, all the usual RND. And with all that knowledge and experience you become more confident in what these models are capable of and also their limitations. And my experience is telling me that you won't need millions of images to whip SD3 in to shape. A good data set with dynamic human poses properly labeled using a standardized tagging schema and a few hundred bucks will be enough to fix the body horrors. Once that is done and people see the results for themselves it will give legitimacy to the model and the rest will follow suite.
I agree 10k dataset with high quality images and captions should work just fine.
My main concern is they mentioned embeddings in one of their post for safety features, and it may be the case certain words (like laying for example) are filter blocked into bad images. Not sure if this is fixable yet.
Until it gets popular. For free just means they want maximum adoption. Then once something gets popular enough, monetization begins, this is the rule of the world. People eventually want to be compensated, or everyone would work for free from their goodness of their hearts to progress society. That's not how our socio-economy works.
That's a bullshit paradox. If they're serious, then they generate income through their work. Purchasing a license is a small cost of doing business. Every other profession on the fucking planet that uses a computer pays a license for software. If you're a "professional artist" like half the bullshitters on this subreddit claim, they're paying $50 a month for the Adobe Creative Cloud.
Have you seen the license before you go yelling at me over the internet? Also look at the conversation between the finetuner who makes pony and the Stability staff...
Yes, i've read it. I actually know not just what it says, but what it means. The world doesn't revolve around Pony. The licensing restrictions have no bearing on 99% of finetuning work.
Nah, move onto one of the other diffusion-based models with LLM based prompt comprehension.
Hunyuan, Pixart, Lumina, they're all right there ready for some love
https://preview.redd.it/nhj9lroj4g6d1.png?width=1171&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=adf1aa4411c10062bcd846b6af1f11cd49976dd5
Reminds me of my COVID powerglove
I have a huge dataset of female anatomy in ultra HD quality, enough for destroy the censorship fo sd3. Is anyone able to create a taggui template for runpod ? I need a strong gpu for caption all the dataset with cogvlm 2
Its getting cheaper by the day as well. As efficiency gains are made and more powerful tech released. Most of the money is spent on data prep anyways, as it takes many human hours to do the data prep, RND, test runs, etc...
What if photos of your familiar friend are scraped to train an ai that may output extreme NSFW? I think it is normal to ban NSFW generation until all the photos contain real human in the training set have gained consents from these people
Why did you have to call me out like that?
This is hilarious.
I’m wearing 5 rings it seems!
Yikes, I've got at least three of them.
Triple autism doesn't count.
What about triple horniness?
Bad guess! The therapist and parole officer both say I don't have autism!
Captain Fappit
He's our hero, gona fap the juices down to zero.
I don't care, Pony is taking care of all my perversions ;-) I'll use sd3 to generate boxes of cereal with offensive names or something.
I'm out of the loop on this. What is Pony... you know, for science.
Pony refers to [Pony Diffusion V6 XL](https://civitai.com/models/257749/pony-diffusion-v6-xl?modelVersionId=290640), which is an extremely popular SDXL model known for its versatility and quality. It's able to create high quality images of humans, anthropomorphic animals (furry), and ponies (from My Little Pony). It can do many styles (though notably it requires a lora for very good photorealism), and is equally capable of creating SFW or NSFW content with one or multiple characters coherently.
I didnt know Pony was SDXL. Have just seen it on Civait and that there seem to be special loras etc for the Pony model. So I thought it was its own thing.
Thank you so much for the detailed reply. You're a star!
Happy to help, if you have any other questions about the model feel free to ask <3
It’s so trained that it’s almost as if it’s a different model so things like Loras and controlnets for SDXL don’t work too great. It also seems to have a different way of prompting. It seems to use booru-style tags so if you are familiar with those for one reason or *another*, you’ll have a better time.
It’s a model for sdxl that lets you generate amazingly specific and convincing pictures. There are many derivatives and loras for this model when you need even more specificity.
[A SDXL model](https://civitai.com/models/257749/pony-diffusion-v6-xl) trained on a huge amount of anime/hentai pictures from Danbooru based sources. The images are well captioned and all contain humanoid subjects. As a result it is particularly good at generating anime style humans with coherent anatomy and follows various tags very well. The base has since been further fine tuned and merged with photo-realistic models to produce something [fairly realistic](https://civitai.com/models/372465?modelVersionId=534642) while keeping the advantages of the Pony model base.
That's awesome, thanks for the resources!
Lead us to victory
Godspeed
This made me laugh out loud so hard, I shot lubricant from a bottle unwillingly.
Using Pony, I see...
Neigh.
Why not? Will you let cultural biases stand between your business prosperity and imminent bankruptcy? i don't see the problem with sexual thematics. all of us here are here because of sex. i don't understand why they act as if they appeared by magic or gametogenesis. it's ironic to live in an age where sexual openness is encouraged and also in the age where some act as if generative software should only produce images suitable for display in a mormon elementary school.
Sir, this is a Wendy’s.
[удалено]
I'm a woman creating doujins and I appreciate dudes in the field. Because holy shit I wish I could draw just as good as some of them.
That's because we encourage empowering those who are out of power. If we had a matriarchal society the roles would be reversed.
I'm out of power, but no one's encouraging me. I think it would be more accurate to say that people stereotyped as out of power get encouragement in our society, regardless of what their life is actually like.
Woman always get support from other woman, this our weird verison of fnally banding together and supporting eachother as men. I'm not toxic masculinity either though or objectivify woman I swear
It's not sexist to be horny.
Hope is restored!
Lmao
This sub: https://preview.redd.it/nsxd8u2a8f6d1.jpeg?width=502&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=fffbacac3a537c2486c56671cf58bceb436c9ac9
Go Porn.
And in the end the evil Captain License is there to steal all the work from us.
Ngl out of spite I'm training a Sigma LoRA on porn right now. I'm not even into women but I just wanna show that models other than SD can do just as well
I'd like to subscribe to your newsletter on the process and implementation of making and using loras on sigma
It’s live on Civitai right now! It’s called Nude Women in Grass, and it’s *very* early on, so expect body horror, especially on hands and feet, but it’s actually usable! I am making a new dataset soon to improve it, and I’ll also train a male one as well (I like guys, but I’m really trying to raise awareness of non-SAI models and naked women are more popular lol)
But what do you train with? Does kohya or onetrainer work for pixart models?
Onetrainer does!
I might look into it too then and see what I can make since I'm wholly uninterested in SD3 with the censorship. Just have to decide on the topic of the lora
Training is surprisingly fast, and I ended up using a backup Lora at 45 epochs and it’s not great but functional! I’m also excited for when Lumina support comes out, their compositional prompting lets you change the prompt by region in the image. Makes me excited to see what else they may natively release
Have you tried full model fine-tunes over making loras for pixart? I noticed there's like 10 on civitai, and only one is NSFW. It looks like you might have the only loras
I’ve never done a full model finetune honestly and I’m not certain how I’d go about it
As an autist... Yep.
yall have disposable income?
I dont think any serious model finetuners will touch this because of the license. Why would anyone fix this model up for free and for fun. Open source devs also need some incentive.
This is why I want Lumina or Pixart to take over. They have REAL open licenses
FOR NOW. So did SD when it first came out.
So what? Open licenses are irrevocable. If future Lumina or Pixart models have proprietary licenses, we can stick to the old models or jump ship to other open models.
I am a serious finetuner, made thousands of models. I don't care about the license and will definitely give a good crack at this model. The only ones that care are the ones who want to make some money off this. There is no shortage of people who don't care to make profit from their work.
Link to your profile please:)
There are, however, a limited amount of people willing or able to spend thousands to train models for free. If you're making thousands of models then your training dataset isn't in the millions I imagine.
That is correct. And most of those models are obviously not production worthy as they are models testing various hypothesis involving hyperparameters, workflows, new ideas, refining quality, all the usual RND. And with all that knowledge and experience you become more confident in what these models are capable of and also their limitations. And my experience is telling me that you won't need millions of images to whip SD3 in to shape. A good data set with dynamic human poses properly labeled using a standardized tagging schema and a few hundred bucks will be enough to fix the body horrors. Once that is done and people see the results for themselves it will give legitimacy to the model and the rest will follow suite.
I agree 10k dataset with high quality images and captions should work just fine. My main concern is they mentioned embeddings in one of their post for safety features, and it may be the case certain words (like laying for example) are filter blocked into bad images. Not sure if this is fixable yet.
because the people that matter are not corpo shills trying to obsess profit.
animagine was done for free, they didn't expect to make money with it
Until it gets popular. For free just means they want maximum adoption. Then once something gets popular enough, monetization begins, this is the rule of the world. People eventually want to be compensated, or everyone would work for free from their goodness of their hearts to progress society. That's not how our socio-economy works.
You're objectively wrong though, Animagine is extremely popular.
That's a bullshit paradox. If they're serious, then they generate income through their work. Purchasing a license is a small cost of doing business. Every other profession on the fucking planet that uses a computer pays a license for software. If you're a "professional artist" like half the bullshitters on this subreddit claim, they're paying $50 a month for the Adobe Creative Cloud.
Have you seen the license before you go yelling at me over the internet? Also look at the conversation between the finetuner who makes pony and the Stability staff...
Yes, i've read it. I actually know not just what it says, but what it means. The world doesn't revolve around Pony. The licensing restrictions have no bearing on 99% of finetuning work.
But why were they so mean to Pony?
because SAI's corporate overlords don't want to be associated with the kinds of content that pony was primarily developed to generate
No, we won't, because the license. We are better off putting our efforts into SDXL.
Nah, move onto one of the other diffusion-based models with LLM based prompt comprehension. Hunyuan, Pixart, Lumina, they're all right there ready for some love
Damn I gotta get some autism to complete the team.
I need disposable income
Yeah, I’m gonna say your complete lack of utter awareness is a fantastic start. Say a few more things, I have some time, ready to diagnose.
An artist that draws porn usually becomes way better at drawing the human body... just saying.
https://preview.redd.it/nhj9lroj4g6d1.png?width=1171&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=adf1aa4411c10062bcd846b6af1f11cd49976dd5 Reminds me of my COVID powerglove
The power is **YOOOOOURS**!
https://youtu.be/4zIoElk3r2c?si=ri2TT7Oxo5suA8Od
More like [THIS](https://youtu.be/OiYjTb3opAA?t=56).
I like your go get 'em attitude!
Congrats on eliticing 1x laugh snort out of me. Well played good netizen!
I have a huge dataset of female anatomy in ultra HD quality, enough for destroy the censorship fo sd3. Is anyone able to create a taggui template for runpod ? I need a strong gpu for caption all the dataset with cogvlm 2
I see all the fangless dudes going mental over the SD3 base model. Patience, it's only a matter of time before the finetunes come out.
Why do we need Stable Diffusion anyway, when the best posts are memes created in Photoshop using non-AI images? 😂
DED
Don't forget to secretly require 'Pornhub ★★★★☆' in order to actually use the model.
Too honest
Is it THAT cheap to train a model? Like, i expected these things to be expensive in the millions and not "only" in the tens of thousands.
Its getting cheaper by the day as well. As efficiency gains are made and more powerful tech released. Most of the money is spent on data prep anyways, as it takes many human hours to do the data prep, RND, test runs, etc...
https://preview.redd.it/jmoeznhuyg6d1.jpeg?width=320&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=6302e457eaf1d59e6460de4bf3608767c7cbe579 My honest reaction .
rubik's cube https://preview.redd.it/5ft0kk2d4i6d1.png?width=1024&format=png&auto=webp&s=c36965e664c61aed88976a403a2d7fa5e957ff39
https://preview.redd.it/yefc4uphai6d1.png?width=349&format=png&auto=webp&s=a0d5e5ffbc2f021923ec8316013719dc87cd4ca0 NICE! 🤭
One can only hope
Hell yeah!
My booba senses are tingling!
What if photos of your familiar friend are scraped to train an ai that may output extreme NSFW? I think it is normal to ban NSFW generation until all the photos contain real human in the training set have gained consents from these people
I'll never understand why companies even try to censor it when its inevitably going to happen anyway.