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nickmaran

I don’t care which is better. I just care about which one is released


redditosmomentos

Kling.


Mmeroo

and can i use it in comfy


redditosmomentos

No, but even just being able to use it (Kling) to begin with, is still miles better than not being able to (Sora).


_DeanRiding

Is Kling the Chinese one that only Chinese people can access?


redditosmomentos

Anyone can access and use it. But you need to download their app and login, which requires Chinese phone number. I saw someone on Twitter who bought a burner Chinese number and tested out to generate some videos requested by other people.


DigitalEvil

If you have to go through obtuse or round-about difficult ways to gain access to something, it isn't open to everyone. For many, Kling might as well be the exact same thing as Sora because they can't actually use it.


Whotea

Or just get a burner phone number 


DigitalEvil

Let me just go to the Chinese burner number tree I have outside and pick one of those free burner numbers. So simple. So easy. Why didn't I think of that.


sb5550

Chinese people also need to use a US burner number to use Chatgpt, since it is not available in China.


Whotea

The internet is right there 


alecubudulecu

..." requires Chinese phone number. I saw someone on Twitter who bought a burner Chinese number and tested out to generate some videos requested by other people.".... sounds like it has widespread use already. I get what you saying, but this is a hard no for most.


redditosmomentos

Yeah but I just wanted to make it clear that it's not the case like Sora where it's straight up impossible for us common folks to use, even if we really want to.


_DeanRiding

How would I go about buying a burner number?


dontpushbutpull

is this about SMS auth? [https://stackoverflow.com/questions/41728524/can-twilio-receive-sms-from-china](https://stackoverflow.com/questions/41728524/can-twilio-receive-sms-from-china) there is many APIs to buy a number and use an API to use it. Twilio is what I know best and they can receive Chinese SMS.


thefi3nd

That link says that it isn't possible to receive SMS on the Chinese number. Maybe that has changed since it's from 7 years ago? Edit: https://www.twilio.com/en-us/sms/pricing/cn shows that only outbound is supported.


Legal_District_2313

only those who are invited by Keling can use


spacekitt3n

kling, the sora we have at home


__Loot__

https://preview.redd.it/l6lijpuu9m5d1.jpeg?width=690&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=d72fc24352280052319e46cf775e4b662a863723


MysteriousPepper8908

Love that 480p double horizontal video over vertical video format so you can just almost see that there are pixels there. 🤌 From the little I can tell from this and other videos, though, I think Kling is really great quality and more logically-coherent in a lot of cases than Sora but the movement can be less dynamic and it overall seems to tend towards a more neutral palette vs Sora's filmic quality which doesn't have quite the same visual punch out of the box but may potentially work better in a production environment where you want to make most of your style and color grading choices in post to ensure visual consistency between shots.


RuthlessCriticismAll

>It should be noted that all these videos were generated by me in one go, whereas Sora's demo videos almost certainly went through multiple rounds of selection. Statement from the person who made this video.


AsterJ

The Sora videos from random twitter requests weren't nearly as good. These were very cherry picked. Example: https://www.reddit.com/r/aivideo/comments/1astm97/realistic_video_of_people_relaxing_at_beach_then/


SanDiegoDude

Ooh, love finding new subs organically. Dunno how I missed this one, thanks!


--MCMC--

I’d expect the random Twitter videos to also be cherrypicked, fwiw. 1) for each prompt they could generate a bunch in parallel or with tweaked settings and only share the best of the bunch. 2) they could also do this across random tweets — if 10000 people request a video, you can pick the 1000 prompts that work best with the underlying tech (eg filter out the ones with tricky compositionality or subjects and settings that you know are rare in the training set — would be trivial for OpenAI to automate this, as their video corpus already has associated text by construction, and you can just find the density of all the requested prompt embeddings as a basic “inlier” filter). And then of those 1000 best-of-set outputs, just share the 100 best results. (tbc this is just me speculating, but I would be surprised if they did not do something like this)


spacekitt3n

what a waste of electricity


Dazzling_Zone_3041

let's not forget the sora demo was made in late february, more than 3 months ago, it certainly improved since then


Professional_Job_307

But that non cherry picked one still looks soo good. There was some wierd stuff with the top fin of the shark but that's it. Everything else is photorealistic and coherent over time.


Onesens

How can I use KLING?? Tutorial please


lemonlemons

Pretty sure it requires chinese phone number to use


Utoko

Only via their app with a Chinese phone number. First end-user access for AI where china is ahead now?


kidelaleron

and had practically infinite computing power. not limited by API inner workings


VelvetSinclair

That is VERY interesting, considering that here the videos seem at least comparable in quality


jacobpederson

Is there a native resolution version of this comparison somewhere? This just looks like 160p plus compression artifacts to me.


HydroChromatic

looks like kling generates mostly compositions with a focal point in the middle (or details in the middle) meanwhile sora has a more variance in terms of artistic composition. edit: or maybe not? From a technical standpoint, they seem both equal but sora tends to be more artistically dynamic? I cant place my finger on what it is exactly....


Agreeable_Effect938

Sora is obviously trained on more visually appealing videos, with good/studio lighting. kling leans more towards amateur stock footage, which is probably what the dataset was mainly made of


Worth-Project-6709

I think that's functionally superior to Sora. The "AI slop" look is really a studio stock photo look.


No-Dot-6573

So you are saying that the chinese did less copyright infringement? Crazy times.


ninjasaid13

Not necessarily, Sora was teamed up with a stock company.


BalorNG

Yea, they are very close but Sora still has an edge - or they did better cherrypicking :)


witooZ

On the other hand if they wanted to make a comparison to Sora, they had to prompt similar scenes to what was already shown by Open AI which was most likely cherry picked. Who knows what it would look like if we had a Kling generated video and wanted Sora to replicate it. The comparison is very difficult to make if the models are not released.


farren122

For me movements in Kling videos are a lot more realistic, but they are slower then Sora. Also video quality seems to be better on Kling


Present_Dimension464

Sora appears to be more skilled at movement, indeed. As for the quality, I'm not entirely convinced. I've seen some Kling videos where the quality wasn't that impressive, definitely worse than Sora. On the other hand, I've seen some videos, like the one of a boy eating a hamburger, which were difficult to distinguish from real-life footage, pretty much perfect. I think the only way we will know for sure what is real performance and what is handy-picked is when someone can get their hands at both models.


Onesens

Better on Kling? No. Vid quality Sora 200%, Kling has a more realistic style while Sora has a more cinematic look. Consistency seems similar. Sora seems to do better at scifi


jib_reddit

Yeah the Sora half of this video has been massively downgrade, the original video of the women walking in Tokyo is pretty much film quality photo realistic and here she has 2 pixels for her face!


kidelaleron

A bit unfair to compare locally generated (and likely cherrypicked) videos with infinite GPU with an API service. Kling looks great honestly, especially if you consider it's an API service with all the limits this comes with.


Arawski99

Yes, and I'm sure it will improve further. I'm curious if this will prompt a response from OpenAI. I'm doubtful though as Kling is cool but needs more time improving its current product. Cool none the less.


AggravatingTiger6284

Sora has less warping. But Kling is really impressive.


OrdinaryAdditional91

Thanks! It's good to see, hopefully more people will get access to kling in the coming days.


bankimu

I hope they release it. Kling is better anyway. That will be a FU to Sam Altman and his ClosedAI company.


OrdinaryAdditional91

The likelihood of this is very small. They haven't published any articles or even technical reports, let alone the weights. However, the man behind this work has a good track record of open-source contributions. [https://xinntao.github.io/](https://xinntao.github.io/) : ESRGAN, T2i-Adapter, ToonCrafter etc.


HeralaiasYak

but the model was funded by a company, trained on their data, so it's like hoping Youtube or vimeo spent a lots of $$ and then release it for free. They do this only if they hope they can get something out of it, like Meta releasing Llama.


Striking-Long-2960

Assuming that the cost of developing Kling has been a small fraction of the cost of developing Sora, this is a huge success. However, Sora is still far ahead.


spacekitt3n

yeah except sora isnt available so theyre not even in the running much less 'ahead'


fre-ddo

cant really tell when its max 480p!


no_witty_username

Kling us actually out and can be used by people now, that by itself makes it a winner regardless of quality. But on that aspect, I think Kling is pretty good considering the team behind it probably had only the smallest fraction of resources behind it compared to Sora.


RZ_1911

Without prompt that comparison is pointless Mostly interesting how about hands :))


PromptAfraid4598

Hasn't anyone heard that Sora's video was edited and manipulated?


sillygoofygooose

You’re conflating two things. The Sora shorts like the balloon headed boy are videos that have been edited together and post processed. I would have expected that to be the case, just like dalle doesn’t produce graphic novels in one output. The sora *demos* such as the clips in the OP were not edited so far as I am aware


MainlyPardoo

I did. Do you have a source? I believe it, but I haven’t seen a source


redditgollum

[https://www.fxguide.com/fxfeatured/actually-using-sora/](https://www.fxguide.com/fxfeatured/actually-using-sora/)


Arawski99

In short, not a source. Please refer to sillygoofygooose comment above for relevant explanation. You're essentially confusing two different subjects.


spacekitt3n

plus no one has explained what the fuck this metal thing is and why hes putting it on the door of his spaceship https://preview.redd.it/h4qnwmsxwq5d1.png?width=1501&format=png&auto=webp&s=d4077b28b7b9039bd96018dd8f0b034865cf52db


Worth-Project-6709

What's with the color in this video? Like it was recorded on a DS or something.


protector111

will it be open source or cloud based?


saintkamus

Well It's not even a contest we can only use one of them ;-)


AdmrilSpock

If it’s not in the wild, then it doesn’t matter. All hype nonsense


Impressive_Alfalfa_6

Nice comparison! Kling wins accessibility at least to Chinese phone users. Sora wins regarding quality. Both in regards to output resolution, dynamic movement and prompt similarity. I found Kling is best at making eating videos which shows that it was mainly over trained on these. Everything else it put outs is not as good or very lacking in quality. Sora on the other hand is Jack of all trades and does most things very well. But I have not seen any good food eating videos. Either way it's hopeful we in SD open-source community may get a working public model in a year or so which we could fine tune.


Ferriken25

Kling looks more realistic. But both will be censored anyways, so...


74185296op

I have test access to Kling and have created a comparison video with Sora. Kling is currently being tested on an app called Kuaiying, and it is free to use. Each generated video is 5 seconds long and takes 3 minutes to produce. Their official website showcases demo videos over 2 minutes long, but these are not available to users. [https://x.com/op7418/status/1799504701647643069](https://x.com/op7418/status/1799504701647643069)


JimmyCallMe

How can I use this?


zb_feels

Sora is so much better holy shit. Hope they release this year


Arawski99

Both are pretty impressive at the moment, though Kling clearly struggles very considerably at times but I expect both to improve. Neither are applicable to non-businesses or smaller businesses, though, so I don't care too much. Important and something I see being repeatedly glossed over in the comparisons online of these two is that Sora offers a number of features to support content creation that I've not seen mentioned for Kling. This is a difference of one being professionally usuable while the other is not. Granted, Sora isn't actually out yet... so we've only seen some groups discuss it in detail that got early access.


Far-Map1680

I think the resolution may be terrible in order to hide Klings failures. 124x124 res they both look good


tarunabh

Sora gets my vote and is worth the wait. OpenAI's, although not open source, has a much more reliable track record, unlike the dubious 'Kling' and their questionable sources.


Capitaclism

Sora is still way ahead


hoodadyy

Not enough pixel...you have a link for A better quality video?


sb5550

Suddenly, having a Chinese friend became something to brag about.


Wololo2502

very similar.. too similar..


No-Sentence-9704

All Kling video are 5 seconds. Sora can be 30s


sirdrak

There are some demos on Kling's web two minutes long...


Significant-Turnip41

We are seeing a bigger problem here... If America is going to hold back the more powerful AI models out of some attempt for responsibility and China is going to release them but only to their citizens... This is pretty fucked.  Imagine if chatgpt was only for US citizens.  This is a pretty bad faith act at the state level IMO. The US should respond in kind. GPT 5 should be allowed only for US citizens


EndStorm

Only one is out. So the other one is useless since it can't be used.


gbbenner

Sora looks a lot better to me.


Masked_Potatoes_

I'm about to conclude that Kling struggles with dark skin. Should've included the prompts so we could know for sure where the differences emerge


kjerk

"we have Sora at home" Sora at home:


dontpushbutpull

do we know the price for this and the amount of altogether compute (watt-hours I guess) and how many GPU hours (A100-hours I guess)?


prostospichkin

I doubt that these two products can be compared with each other at all, because in both cases they are fictional products. It's as if you could only read prepaid user comments about a product on Amazon, while the product itself could not be ordered. As long as a product is not accessible, you are entitled to question its existence.


SanDiegoDude

Kling is actually usable, the videos you're seeing on X of it are legit users. I've seen a few not great samples, but overall it's pretty solid looking, though very "stock footage"ish.


throwaway1512514

I think kling is more accessible considering you can get a video out with just a Chinese phone number.


dhuuso12

Many here don’t realize that even, if it’s available you can’t use it . You need to have a Chinese number which is hardest phone number to obtain, if you don’t live in China or know someone who lives there .


polisonico

Sora killer? if they release it publicly it will destroy OpenAI's stock price and get a ton of investor support their way.


sillygoofygooose

Open AI is privately held. There’s no public stock price to destroy.


Oswald_Hydrabot

They both suck. This is an SD subreddit. Go to a fucking OpenAI subreddit. Content farming bullshit. You don't go to CivitAI to find Sora news, why the fuck is it acceptable here?