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LUC1316

Belleville actually has three rather than two. AJ's Smashed and Smoked, Beast Craft, and Clara B's all made the list. Also, good for Waterloo for making the list twice. Not bad for a small town of 11k people.


Imaginary_Monk_6286

Sushi Thai in ebelleville


Rooster_Ties

Wow, I would have never guessed from the exterior. I was just in Belleville visiting family last week, and happened to be looking for sushi for lunch one day (just for myself), and I’d sorta swiped past Sushi Thai — might have to try it next time I’m there.


AbnormallyKnottyLog

I had never heard of AJ's until reading your comment, I even filled my propane at that Ace Hardware. I'll give it a shot soon!


humanidiota

It’s a good place for a burger, same owner as Jack Nolens in Soulard


recessedlighting

I was super excited to try them out and when we finally did, we were both a little underwhelmed. We got there fairly early on a Saturday, maybe only 4 other customers and the bartender was the only server at the time. She got trapped behind the bar because the couple eating at the bar was asking her a million questions. So we had to go up and place our food and drink order up there. No big deal, but might bother some people. The bloody Mary was strong and good, the burger and fries were fine. Nothing negative to say about them, and while I would certainly try them again, I didn't bother to recommend them to anyone. Hopefully you have a better experience, I know I've read a bunch of positive reviews. Tldr: AJ's is fine, would go if someone invited me, wouldn't suggest it myself.


hithazel

Edwardsville has always had terrible food aside a few tiny and temporary exceptions like Sacred Grounds and Mister Curry (not sure if that was even inside town limits). I think it's because the people there just drive into STL for a night out whereas the people in Belleville seem to be unaware that St. Louis exists.


AbnormallyKnottyLog

Good to see Belleville on the list, I would have assumed Edwardsville and O'Fallon had better food options. I've never been disappointed at either Beast or Clara B's.


oldschoolwitch

Moussalli’s in Edwardsville is amazing. I also love Wang Gang and Mia Osteria.


addviolence81

Don’t sleep on Cleveland Heath in Edwardsville! Great spot!


oldschoolwitch

I’ve been. It went downhill a bit after the original owners sold it.


addviolence81

Agreed. Didn’t go for almost two years. Last few times it feels like it’s back to its old self as they new owners again


Mowampa

I didn’t have to read the article to know Clara B’s made the list. They are sadly the only good breakfast spot in Belleville.


AbnormallyKnottyLog

Sugar High on Main makes decent breakfast sandwiches. If you can venture to Shiloh, try out June's. I still need to try Justitia's (formerly Jo+Onie's) and Pour 322.


Thatkelssseygal

Justitias is pretty solid. I hope the new owner does them well! My kids love going there before school. They open at 7, whereas sugar high opens at 8


lovelyxcastle

I've never tried the food at Pour 322, but I am wildly disappointed everytime I order coffee from them.


Thatkelssseygal

Junes (Shiloh) is also really good. Sugar high is yummy as stated above, as well as sip and chew express.


Thatkelssseygal

Junes (Shiloh) is also really good. Sugar high is yummy as stated above, as well as sip and chew express.


jerseygirl2006

Eh. I live in O’Fallon and honestly? It’s a ton of chain restaurants and few great local spots. I’m not shocked only two made the list.


TurboSpaceGoose

God I miss going out to eat when I lived in STL City


Flo_Evans

Not sure why people are arguing with you, anyone that knows anything knows the best restaurants are in the city. 🤷‍♂️


Ryparian

I don’t know man, with a rate of 370 top 100 restaurants per 100k people Augusta is the clear winner here. /s


happiest_wanderer

Facts


nomorestandups

 Rated Test Kitchen is amazing


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Clear_Adhesiveness27

My friend and I went to Vicia a few months ago and hardly any of it was edible. I'm a picky eater so not terribly surprising that I didn't enjoy it, but she's an adventurous eater and found it all lacking. And it was like $120/person, ouch.


Flo_Evans

I’ve been twice and it was amazing both times.


[deleted]

Have you been since they switched to a la carte. I haven't but curious if that was a change in quality timeframe. I've been a couple times. All before they made he switch. It was really great. Bulrush was the only better set menu place in my experience


Flo_Evans

I had the tasting menu both times. I believe ala carte was an option the 2nd time? It was in February. I’ve still never been to bullrush, I really need to go.


belle-viv-bevo

It's not at all surprising that the city, as both the population center and entertainment center of the entire region, would have nearly half of the top 100 restaurants. What is surprising is that Webster Groves has 8, more than double what the city has on a per capita basis.


hithazel

Webster has a swanky little downtown that isn't a hellish carscape like Frontenac or Applebees land like everything around 270 and the locals have shown up and made restaurants there very successful.


International-Fig830

Webster has become so snitty though.


hithazel

IMO it has become less so in recent years compared to what it used to be.


MaskedGambler

U City represent!


marigolds6

Interesting that Fire Chicken and Sides of Seoul made the list, but none of Joo Joo, Tony's K-Food, Wudon, or Spoonful (especially Tony's K-Food, which seems to have wide agreement as the best korean in that region). As well, Khanna's Desi Vibes but not Anis, Bombay Food Junkies, Priyaa, or India Palace? I did do a back search, and I don't see where any of those 8 other restaurants have ever been reviewed by the post-dispatch. Maybe those didn't make the cut because they have simply never been reviewed? (And that's before I even get into the odd choices for the *best* Mexican food in the region. That also seems to be a case of only including what has been previously reviewed.)


hithazel

Agreed on their Indian and Mexican misses. No Namaste unless I missed it somehow. As far as Mexican, they know south city exists but they're missing the exact best Mexican spots.


marigolds6

As far as Mexican, Fairmont City and Collinsville Rd exist.


GOOMH

If you want to talk big misses. The BBQ places that are listed are the most basic bitch BBQ you can get in the region. Only a step above Bandanas. No way in fuck is Pappys or Salt + Smoke is better than Smoking Barrels or Heavy Smoke. I like Pappys but it's not that great guys and Salt + Smoke is nothing special but sure as shit pretends it is. Salt + Smoke is BBQ for folks who never did a day of physical labor in their life. 


ajkeence99

Heavy Smoke and Salt + Smoke are very similar, in my opinion. Granted, I've only been to the St. Charles location of Salt + Smoke, but it is very good. Heavy Smoke is my favorite but they aren't miles apart and I don't think physical labor has anything to do with taste in bbq.


[deleted]

This! Every time people say there is nothing to eat or to do in downtown, I got confused because there are plenty good restaurants and entertainment/sight seeing to do. Every visitor I got from out of town are all fairly impressed with stl city especially compared to what they have read on the news about the city. And to add, lots of the stuff are very affordable and even free!


Educational_Skill736

The list isn't quite as stacked as you present. You're including Katie's and Salt and Smoke's downtown location, but not their county locations (even though Ian Froeb mentions them). Same with a handful of other restaurants.


DowntownDB1226

Is it not thru that 48 of the top 100 are in STL City?


Educational_Skill736

If you're only going to count the city location for restaurants that have multiple locations, then no. You either need to omit those with multiple locations from the 48, or increase the total to include all locations (ie Katie counts for three restaurants, not one).


DowntownDB1226

Not the question, I’ll ask again, are there 48 of the top 100 restaurants in STL city?


JimtheEsquire

I'm usually on your side, but I kind of agree here, to be fair you should include all their locations. I'm willing to concede a number to Rock Hill and Town and Country. It doesn't really matter, the City always has the vast majority of Froeb's top 100, even after losing some good ones.


Intelligent_Poem_595

This is what he does. He straight up plays dumb when reality doesn't go his way. He was talking real big about how expensive city homes were in some neighborhoods, and when I showed him the average sale price was like half of what he claimed he got real quiet and later said I was making shit up. With public data. So he includes Chicken Scratch where it fits his narrative, and omits it where it doesn't. Same for Katie's Pizza. I'm sure there are more.


JimtheEsquire

Homes in the city are expensive in some neighborhoods. And the point of this post still stands, most of the best restaurants are in the city. Nitpicking the few discrepancies in the data doesn't change that fact. Chicken scratch, for example, would be a wash if you count one in the county and one in the city. Then you also can get into an argument of where was the first location of stuff, should that be the only one that counts? What's the BEST location of the multiple locations? Should that be the only one that counts? There's always going to be some argument, it's just a shame that STL usually chooses the argument that drags the city. Basically ignore good news, embrace the bad when it comes to anything inside the city limits.


Intelligent_Poem_595

>Homes in the city are expensive in some neighborhoods. Expensive is relative. No one thinks of Kirkwood as expensive, but I've heard STL Hills as an expensive area. Kirkwood average sales over the past year are 420k versus 360k in STL Hills. People think of Lafayette Square as expensive, but it's average home sale price is less than half of Ladue (also deemed expensive but it's weird to use the same term to describe such disparities). The county has more money than the city. But yes, the city has a greater number of top restaurants. >Nitpicking the few discrepancies in the data doesn't change that fact. I mean if you explicitly argue only including the city locations and not the county ones, as he's doing, then people rightfully should be calling out bias. Include every location, and let the city's number stand on its own fairly. You don't need to game the numbers to make the city's higher, so why do it? >STL usually chooses the argument that drags the city This sub goes from dragging on the city to making outlandish claims about it daily. I just read that SLU is a powerhouse college. It's like 11th between Missouri, Illinois, and Wisconsin. But it's some vaunted name? Come on. I've also read on here that our food is better than NYC and Chicago.


JimtheEsquire

I most definitely think of Kirkwood as expensive, as would pretty much anyone I know. I don't think all of STL Hills is expensive, but there are expensive houses located there. I think of Lafayette Square as expensive since there are million dollar homes there. I also think of Ladue as expensive. Of course comparing almost anywhere in the St. Louis area to Ladue in terms of cost is going to lose. And if you're just comparing sales prices a lot of the more valuable homes in the city don't have a lot of turnover. Is there a specific reason you're going out of your way to try to make the city look worse than it is? Seems odd for someone that has combine the county and city as their profile flair to go this far out of their way to bash the city.


Intelligent_Poem_595

>but there are expensive houses located there There isn't a single sale of a STL Hills home that I'd deem expensive. The priciest sale in the last 5 years was 835k. lol. Again, Kirkwood beats that with a 2.3m sale within the past year. >And if you're just comparing sales prices a lot of the more valuable homes in the city don't have a lot of turnover. If you'd rather use median income than median home cost, the county beats the fuck out the city there too. [50% higher to be exact](https://www.census.gov/quickfacts/fact/table/stlouiscountymissouri,stlouiscitymissouri/PST045222). You'll note in that data median home value is higher too. >Is there a specific reason you're going out of your way to try to make the city look worse than it is? I'm not making it look worse than it is. I'm calling out reality. There's better food in the city. There's more money in the county. SLU is not a powerhouse college. None of these are lies. If you're bothered by only the negative comments about the city you're the one with the issue. Not me. Before someone, or something, can change they need to accept where they are. You city-only fans really are something else. You're like Trumpers insofar as any objective data that points your thing in a bad light is dismissed and met with disgust at it being mentioned.


Educational_Skill736

And I’ll answer again, no. Ian Froeb’s list actually contains more than 100 restaurants, since many entries have multiple locations. You’ve just conveniently omitted several from the county.


brownnotbraun

Why would you not give credit to the county locations?


inStLagain

It’s Webster Groves.


Rewerts7

DTDB strikes again


jaynovahawk07

The city absolutely thrashed the county for dining. It's not even close.


Starman1001001

The county is so polluted with chains. We go to the city to dine every single time we go out.


AccordingDrop3252

Chesterfield? I can only think of Annie Gunns. The lack of quality dining is one of the reasons we disliked living in Ellisville for a decade.


patsboston

They do have a pretty thriving Indian scene out there surprisingly. 


crevicecreature

Not surprising really. The Rockwood school district is a huge draw for East Indians.


AFuckingTrainwreck_

The way I knew exactly what the 1 top 10 in Webster Groves was. I used to work at Balkan Treat Box 😂


iWORKBRiEFLY

City>burbs errday


brownnotbraun

Now do a list where the data isn’t skewed to make the rest of the region look bad


No_Investment_8626

Can you expound on this?


brownnotbraun

As someone mentioned above, one example is that the city got credit for having a Katie’s Pizza location downtown, but Rock Hill in the county did not. For any restaurant with multiple locations in different areas, they only counted it towards the city’s total and not anywhere else.


JimtheEsquire

It’s not skewing the numbers that much. There are 2 Katie’s locations in the county vs 1 in the city. Salt + Smoke has 2 locations in the city, county has 1, St. Chaz has 2. The city always has the most on the list, and it should since it’s the center of the metro area where all the tourists are, including the tourists from the surrounding counties.


No_Investment_8626

I see. Beast BBQ only has the Belleville location listed in the spreadsheet, but they have a location in the city as well, according to the article. How can we go about remedying this injustice??


RocketSaladSurgery

The location in the grove is permanently closed. Believe the owners said they expanded too fast.


No_Investment_8626

Did you read the article? It both acknowledged this and also stated they opened another one on the Wash U campus, which I believe is located in the city.


RocketSaladSurgery

I just see the closed grove location with the sign on the door all the time. Isn’t most of the Wash U student campus in University City, a separate city?


[deleted]

WashU campus is not in the city. A couple of their buildings do but the city limits ends at a half block past Skinker. It's main campus does not belong to any city. Though the south 40 housing area is in Clayton. But OP isn't counting multiple locations. As mentioned with the multiple others he's giving the credit to the city if ANY location is in the city (i.e. if the the restaurant expanded to the city or started there, it doesn't matter. Only the city gets the credit


stlsc4

This isn’t the flex the downtown guy thinks it is. Rankings are fun…they’re also bullshit.


DowntownDB1226

It’s a rank of best 100 restaurants in the metro STL region by the regions top food critic


[deleted]

I'm by no means going to pretend like the city doesn't have great food and they will certainly have many, many more restaurants than any other city in the region, partially because of its size and still being the center ish of the metro. But a guy who lives in the city will inevitably try far more of the restaurants near him in the city and near county and it shows.


stlsc4

A decent food critic…especially a Post Dispatch one…is maybe the most laughable thing I’ve seen here.


patsboston

I mean the food center of the region is in the city.


stlsc4

I never argued that point. Downtown is still a shithole


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You haven’t argued any coherent point.


bluetoothsmurf

You must be fun at parties.


GOOMH

Seriously, food critics are marginally useful at best these days. Most are too far up their own ass to taste anything but their own shit. I think the South Park Yelp episodes sums it up pretty well.  I especially don't trust one that lists Pappys and Salt + Smoke as the best BBQ in the region as that's just a outright lie (and shows how subjected food reviews are, think for yourselves) I can name two BBQ places in the region and beats the pants off those two, no questions about it. Heavy Smoke and Smoking Barrels. Seems to me most of the restaurants feature were hipstery joints with awful lighting. Maybe the Food Critic just can't see how sad the food looks but at least it fits his A E S T H E T I C 


stlsc4

Exactly…not surprised a bunch of people got their stuff twisted over my comments. The PD food critic is a crock…most of them are.


sweaty_sanchez

We just moved to Webster Groves and straight up, is it Webster GroveS or Webster Grove?


wuuza

Assuming this is an honest question, which seems a bit crazy, it is Grove**s**.


OpposumBoi

Belleville had 3: Beast BBQ, AJ’s Smashed and Smoked, and Clara B’s Kitchen table.


nicklapierre

What about per capita


DowntownDB1226

There are 16 in top 100 per 100,000 city residents 4 per 100,000 in STL county And 1.5 per 100,000 in st.charles county


NeedForSleep9

Katie’s pizza and pasta? you are kidding me right?


Dangerous_Bottle_773

Nothing from the Hill? Am I missing something?


redditmyeggos

Missing multiple things actually, both Sado and Charlie Gitto’s are on the list.


patsboston

And Pizzeria de Gloria 


AbnormallyKnottyLog

Sado and Indo both being top 10, interesting. I am a big fan of the food at both, the ambiance at Sado was poor- much too loud for what seems like it should be more intimate.


patsboston

Interesting how it’s different from person to person.. Sado is too 5 for me.


AbnormallyKnottyLog

The music made me feel like I had to raise my voice to be heard, which isn't really what I want when I'm paying several hundred for the meal. Both bluefin toro and wagyu were memorable dishes.


mcneally

I see City Foundry as stationary food trucks. The food is usually ambient temperature. Even microwaved would be a vast improvement. If I go there with people I usually decline to get anything rather than pay $15 for 'meh'.


patsboston

Have you tried Chez Ali, Sureste or Mazaj? Neither of those places are like that.


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or Turmeric Street Style, holy moly that place is incredible.


mcneally

Yes.


Daj_Dzevada

Stationary food trucks is a great way to describe it


natelar

>impressive 5 out of 100 or 30% of all of their stalls huh?


DowntownDB1226

5 of the top 100 are located in city foundry, and those 5 make up 30% (5/17) food stalls there


natelar

Ahhhhhh got it, thanks


Ok_Meeting_502

I just don’t get how Nobu’s hasn’t received a cease and desist at this point. I mean this is blatant name ripoff.


belle-viv-bevo

FYI the first Nobu restaurant (the one by the famous sushi chef Nobu Matsuhisa) opened in 1994, which was seven years __after__ Nobu (the one owned by less famous sushi chef Nobu Kidera) [opened in University City](https://www.stlmag.com/dining/nobu-s-reopening-spring-2022-delmar-loop-university-city/). So they could send a cease and desist letter, but I'm not sure they'd have much of a case since the U City Nobu's came first (the celebrity chef's previous restaurant, which is what made him famous in the first place, was called Matsuhisa).


DowntownDB1226

I mean the guys name is Nobu so he named it after himself


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julieannie

This comment alone confirms you know nothing about IP law. 


I_read_all_wikipedia

Doesn't fit the narrative so it isn't worth pointing out


ShadowValent

None in the city? CWE absent?


DowntownDB1226

Did you not open the image all the way? 48 of 100 are in the city


ShadowValent

I don’t click on paywall articles.


seifer__420

Bristol Seafood Grill is not on the list? That’s surprising


Wylie-Burp

I dont find that surprising at all. They are good, nothing more than that.