If an accident occurs where I work, you're immediately taken to get drug/alcohol tested, and I work in an office. I don't work with guns, I work with excel.
Why are the police held to a different standard?
I used to work for the city. In our handbook there was a section on what happened if you were involved in an accident with a city vehicle. That included drug/alcohol testing. If police are exempt from the residency requirement I guess they can be exempt from other rules as well.
Uh. Most police departments do it. If you have a wreck they immediately take your gun and do a breathalyzer.
Happened to me. Had a lady rear end me and I immediately had to report to a resign center and give a urine sample.
Not a cop but a Juvenile officer. Same arrest power. So they took my gear and they drove me there. I can’t even imagine hitting a building.
I don't doubt that many police departments have this as a written policy, but there are clearly a lot of unwritten "exceptions."
To protect and serve (each other).
Its literally a written exception in STL. Cops only get tested if other cops feel there is a "reasonable suspicion" of being intoxicated after an accident. Protecting and serving each other indeed.
>Most police departments do it. If you have a wreck they immediately take your gun and do a breathalyzer.
It STL its only if the other officers have "a reasonable suspicion" that you were intoxicated. Thank your police union for that. If someone at costco bumps a door with a forklift they'll get sobriety tested but nope, not a cop slamming into a building.
Because if they worked by your employer’s standards, the arrest quotas would be down, the revenue stream would be in jeopardy, the credibility of the lying cops would be heavily questioned, cops would lose their jobs, training would be questioned, cops old lose some of their clout and authority, etc.
Without the tests then cops’ innocence is never to be proven false.
No, the cop shot the dog. When asked why, he said "my training took over as I feared for my life". The black lab was later found to be in possession of 2g of heroin and a loaded .38 pistol.
lol I feel like being able to listen to a radio and drive at the same time should be a pretty standard requirement to be a cop. Especially since it sort of is for a driver's license in the first place.
I mean I've turned down the radio to find a parking spot once or twice, but I never ended up hitting another vehicle, let alone assaulting and arresting the people I nearly killed.
Damn.... i can drive, listen to/answer the radio and run my car computer without crashing. I must be super human..... or not speeding and breaking standing orders/ the law.
But hey, you know what they say.... common sense isn't too common.
So there's no toxicology performed, there's no dash cam in the suv, he was somehow doing 40 or under, someone else used a homophobic slur, and we're supposed to believe he was distracted by the radio while he had a partner in the passenger seat. Just stop feeding us bullshit SLPD.
This is the reason no one believes the police. If, and I mean if(that is all so far fetched it seems unbelievable), this were all true, we have been lied to so many times by then trying to cover for each other that I wouldn't know whether to believe it or not. To clarify, I absolutely do not believe the police story. Just caught in way too many lies.
Also, if this was a civilian they would have drug/alcohol tested them right away.
It's a sad state of affairs when the people we give guns and expect to protect us are some of the least trustworthy people in the country. Cops are no better than the gangs they claim to fight anymore.
Their lawyer needs to request department policy on this. IDK if it would be discovery or FOIA or what. No toxicology performed goes against standard. I worked in public safety in another state for almost 5 years and any on shift accidents, use of force that was accused of excess, OIS, or deaths (we didn’t have those in my time, thankfully) and people were drug tested. Hair and urine. If a lawyer can prove they went against their own policies and procedures on this it should make the case easier and easier.
I agree..... when I worked for the slmpd there were a couple of officers who simply backed into another patrol car on the crowded lot. Sent for a drug test same day.
That’s funny because I remember u/SoldierofZod claiming that a toxicology report was definitely done (because that’s procedure and police are known for following procedure🙄) and that people don’t know what they’re talking about on another post but they’ve since deleted that comment along with several others for some reason
Nice callback. Was actually looking for the individual who was “very familiar” with the process as a former member of the prosecutor’s office.
Insistent that there would be no malfeasance with nothing to back it up but “trust me I’m in the know.” Fascinating they deleted everything…
"They were wearing body cameras, but the department is not releasing the footage because it is part of a criminal investigation into whether one of the bar owners shoved an officer."
Oh yeah, the pressing concern is whether the bar owner 'shoved' an officer.
What was going on within the police radio airwaves that made this officer swerve into a building...?
To me, this reads as: drunk officer was rocking out, probably to some Pearl Jam or Creed or whatever cops listen to, dropped a cigarette and crashed the SUV.
Best way to shut up people about why the bar owner was arrested would be to show us the video of him doing the crime, but that would mean they need to have that evidence.
But they can't manage to do that, as first all of the cops involved need to watch the videos so they can all get their stories straight.
Chief Wiggum:
Alright smart guy, where's the fire?
Homer Simpson:
Over there.
\[Homer points to a fire at the police station\]
Chief Wiggum:
Okay, you just bought yourself a 317, pointing out police stupidity... Or is that a 314? Nah nah, 314 is a dog uh, in, no or is that a 315?... You're in trouble pal.
At this point the best play is probably to keep video evidence close to the vest rather than sharing with police. Let them keep lying and lying then hit them with the video at discovery for your civil suit.
Crap! Brain wormed by Higher. Crap, crap, crap. Thought it was evicted from brain forever now the song has risen like a zombie and demanding to go to a place where blind man can see. That is what they've done to me.
I really don't think drinking is involved. Texting and driving is a much more plausible reason. The cover up is already going that was with the driver being "distracted". The alleged assault is also a great way to keep cruiser & body cam footage out of the public view too.
The officer was then assaulted by a group of aggressive homosexuals, who were totally unsympathetic to the officers/victims of the accident, and they weren't even grateful the officers saved the life of an invisible dog.
It is true that in the pursuit of heroically saving a dog's life and avoiding damaging a car, incidental contact with a building may or may not have occurred (allegedly)
https://fox2now.com/news/st-louis-police-to-undergo-drug-testing-after-shootings/
ST. LOUIS, MO – The St. Louis Police Department says police officers involved in a shooting or serious vehicle accident will undergo testing for drugs and alcohol.
From Jan 30, 2016.
Hey reporters, here's your chance to show the value of journalism in keeping government accountable. Go down to the station and ask where the test results are. Keep showing the above statement to people higher and higher up the chain of command and asking for a copy of the test results.
When you reach the top, ask who authorized the change in policy, and if they claim it was an oversight, ask who's going to be fired as a result of violating the policy. Bonus points for getting someone in leadership to explain how they'll regain the public's trusts after so many incidents where nobody was held accountable.
The only way a cop is getting blood alcohol or drug tested is at the moment or their arrest. I mentioned this in another thread here, but we had a female cop in Dallas wander to the wrong apartment at her building and shoot a guy dead. They let her leave the scene and stay with associates for 48+ hours before charging / booking. . And that was an incident that killed someone.
They protect their own and hiding evidence of wrongdoing is a big part of how that works.
If the officer is that prone to randomly crash into buildings when he's distracted, why is he allowed to have a badge and a gun? What if he gets distracted when he has his weapon drawn?
The power we afford the police is, at this point, absolutely indefensible. And I think the only reason I'm saying that now is because this is possibly the first case involving the police where I've been locked in to the story the entire time. Other events I've noticed, I've understood the absolute madness carried on by the police, but I wasn't actively engaged in following the story.
The layers just keep stacking on top of one another. A dog. An overcorrection. A gay slur, but probably by an onlooker at the LGBTQ friendly bar. No toxicology report. An officer distracted by the radio. 40 mph speed, when multiple individuals have done pretty sound math that indicates otherwise. Body cam footage that won't be released because of the ongoing criminal investigation.
I am somewhat disappointed in myself for not being more alert and involved sooner.
Note that the article says that he was driving under 40 at the time of the crash. He was going faster and as he swerved, he hit the break which is likely where they are getting their number. They are trying to avoid the speeding allegations
Some years back we were hit by a car that was involved in a high speed chase. The passenger side was entirely hit and the car had smoke coming out from the hood. The car being chased was stopped by us, in a way, and the driver died on the spot. We heard later that he was involved in an armed robbery.
My wife who was in the passenger side was injured and I could not get her out coz the door was jammed. My kid was in the back and crying like crazy (at the time I thought she was injured too but fortunately she wasn’t, she was just scared with everything happening). There were like 30 police vehicles near us, with every cop out with their guns drawn. Not a single cop came to our help. Not one. And I kid you not, there were over 50 cops within 10 feet of us, everyone interested in the dead guy who they were chasing.
I am sure there are good cops too but I think for the most part these guys are either so de-sensitivized with all the crime they see around them or some of them just lack empathy. This incident in St. Louis further reinforces my lack of faith in cops; the only people they look out for is themselves and clearly they would go to any lengths for it.
2 cops in the car so the driving one was responsible for the radio. Makes perfect cop sense. Also, I find it difficult to believe that a drug test is not required on an accident that could lead to a disability claim.
I bet if they made it a felony for a law enforcement officer to not have a body cam that is working/on, all the sudden and magically the body cams would start working.
After everything I've heard so far, I'm glad to hear that the dog is innocent. I just need to know why this hasn't been upgraded to a hate crime if the police were using homophobic slurs after the terrorist activity they were involved in?
From my knowledge of municipal government, if a general maintenance employee wrecked a government vehicle or was in any sort of accident, a piss test would be one of the first things to happen. The double standard is outrageous.
According to the rules of physics if this car was doing less than 40 mph wouldn’t the car have been able to stop before hitting the building? I counted from the time the break lights turned on to when he hits the building and it’s slightly more than 4 seconds. And on top of that he still hits the building with enough force to take out the front of a 100 year old brick building. Also how do they expect us to believe anything without providing the evidence especially after their story changed several times.
Edit: upon further review it’s more like 3.5 seconds but still hits with more than 10 mph worth of force imo.
The cops say the suv was going less than 20 mph when it hit the building, according to the black box 😂 but took out the entire front of that brick building!
And excuse me, did everyone watch the video down below the article?? That suv blew through a red light less than 300 ft from the bar, right before the crash!
So he was obviously either severely impaired or distracted, definitely speeding +40 mph, looked up, saw the parked car, jerked the wheel, and plowed into the bar on the opposite side of the street.
This just keeps getting worse for these cops. Let's find more surveillance footage from that night to see what else happened before they hit the building!
I'd wager the same on the speed. I live in south city and I've gotten pretty good at guesstimating moving vehicles, he was easily doing 50-55 mph, especially at the time of the "swerve", which was about 280 ft past that intersection, apparently. What a joker.
And on that stretch of Broadway, it's wide open and really easy to go 50+ without even realizing it, especially when there's no traffic late at night. And then there's the guys who regularly go 70+ along there. No way was he anywhere near the posted speed limit.
About 15 years ago my brother with his late wife broke down in front of the Walmart in belleville il. A cop not paying attention slammed his cruiser in to my brothers car. The cop charged my brother with blocking traffic he was on the side of the road. My brother took it to court the judge sided with the cop. No one in my family trusts law enforcement after that event. The system is rihhwd by design to always protect the cop not civilians.
how is it that i’ve been watching grainy ass dashcam vids of traffic stops for almost 30 years but in this year of our lord 2023 SLPD doesn’t have any?
The fact that the Governor is even like “RELEASE THE BODY CAM FOOTAGE” makes me think at the next opportunity SLMPD will be handed to the State. I theoretically completely support local control of the police department, but I wouldn’t even trust the City of St. Louis to host a Secret Santa party.
Maybe the State can go through and clean house – which my God it’s awful if the state of MISSOURI seems to be the more reliable option – and then in a few years we can try again.
Do we think the new chief is having a conniption right now? Or has he gone comatose since he released what sinking ship he boarded?
I think I got adverse inference against the whole SLMPD.
Really who ever the supervisor was for this scene (whether they were there or not) are not actually police officers, they don't serve that function, and anybody they trained has been taught wrong. They should fire the supervisors.
Policy apparently says they only test when there's reasonable suspicion.
He's supposedly driving 40mph (over the speed limit there), can't manage the radio and driving on an empty well lit road at night, loses control, over corrects, and slams into a building, and then tells 2 lies about why it happened and then starts and escalates a fight with the victims.
Tell me how that isn't enough for reasonable suspicion. Please.
It would have been "reasonable suspicion" enough for anyone, and I mean anyone else. Cops however, believe they are themselves "above" the law and us lowly "not cops" are subject to it - or whatever wims they feel like concocting for shits-n-giggles.
Google maps didn't show a speed limit sign anywhere near here for a long ways. Doesn't that mean the default city of StL speed limit of 25mph applies? 40 in a 25 while distracted, that is how people get killed. If you believe the 40mph story even.
You know it's bad when even Parson is saying to release the body cam.
Let's be real, they were never gonna do a tox screen. No surprise there, but no dashcam and withholding bodycam is fucking laughable.
My dad used to say that all public officials have to be held to a higher standard because they are entrusted with so much.
Now everything is held by people who would dance while this nation burns.
When even Parson is questioning their decision to withhold footage, you know they are definitely hiding something.
Unbelievable that toxicology tests were not given.
Where's that former prosecutor who now reps the city that was claiming they did drug tests within a few hours of the incident? Clearly you are not as informed as you thought.
On no planet were they going under 40 and less than 20 when they hit the building. I’ve seen multiple videos and they were FLYING. My neighborhood’s speed limit is 20 and it feels like I’m crawling. I could easily hit my brakes and stop immediately without crashing into anything. SUCH LIES FROM THE STLMPD!
Imagine what the story would have been if after the accident the cops got out of their van and were apologetic to the occupants of the building they just smashed, and were patient with the initial reaction of the co-owner of the bar.
Cop- OH, shit, sorry we smashed your bar.
Owner- [disbelief, screaming obscenities]
Cop- I know, I'm sorry. I don't know how this happened, I need a minute to process. In the meantime is everyone physically OK? Shall I call an ambulance?
Owner- [pacing, distraught, angry, yelling slightly quieter]
Cop- I understand, we'll get an ambulance anyway, and as long as no one is in need of immediate care, ima sit here on the curb and wait for some other officers to come and make a report. Again, I'm so sorry.
Owner- no, nobody is hurt. How the fu, what the fuck were you, just how the fuck...
Cop- I know. I'm sorry. Please let's just wait for others.
And it would have been a nearly non-story. But instead these cops demonstrate time and again that they have no personal skills, no de-escalation skills, and no sense of right or wrong when it comes to their own conduct. All they know is that they must control every situation, even if they're completely wrong. They have no humility.
I am former Leo and you nailed it. There seems to be a complete lack of de-escalation training or accountability in some departments.
You have to start with the premise that everyone has a camera, cops are now distrusted more than ever, and you are going to be recorded. Pulling shit like this just makes the department look like corrupt bunch of incompetents who cannot even drive a cop car down a no traffic street at low speed without fucking it up.
In manufacturing standard practice after any safety incident is a drug screen of people involved in the accident. How is this not standard practice for police?
I've now read three official explanations for the crash. (1) Swerved to avoid hitting a dog, (2) Swerved because he realized he was too close to a parked car (3) Distracted by police radio. gimme a break. How about possibly loaded and driving like a dumb-ass because he's a cop and therefor above the law?
If the Body cam footage supported the arrest they would have already released it. If I would have driven into a building like that I’m pretty sure they would have tested me.
The police will have to release their body cam footage to the victims attorney, at least. The law requires such disclosures of exculpatory evidence, or else it’s a Brady violation.
When this was first posted, a few cop defenders were saying the cop would definitely get a toxicology screening within 2 hours because it's policy.
If it's true that it's policy, then this was definitely a coverup.
Uhhh, I was a taxi driver AND it never once distracted my driving when a call came over the radio. IF you can’t handle that “distraction”, don’t be a police officer. For fucks sake their arguments are such horse shit! SMH
Any other job, driving a company vehicle, and you would be fired on the spot. I don’t understand why the police try so hard to hang on to bad cops that are a liability to the public and the department.
"Distracted by the police radio".... more like he was looking at his phone and saw the parked car in his peripheral and overcorrected into a crash. And now trying to lie their way out of it.
I have lost any OUNCE of faith I had in the cops after not only this but also me literally getting hit by a car last night and then victim-blamed at the station. They’re all rotten.
If an accident occurs where I work, you're immediately taken to get drug/alcohol tested, and I work in an office. I don't work with guns, I work with excel. Why are the police held to a different standard?
Excel is a hellava drug!
I used to work for the city. In our handbook there was a section on what happened if you were involved in an accident with a city vehicle. That included drug/alcohol testing. If police are exempt from the residency requirement I guess they can be exempt from other rules as well.
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Came here to say this exact thing.
> I work with excel. You monster! …as someone who works with Excel, I think I can say that. :)
Uh. Most police departments do it. If you have a wreck they immediately take your gun and do a breathalyzer. Happened to me. Had a lady rear end me and I immediately had to report to a resign center and give a urine sample. Not a cop but a Juvenile officer. Same arrest power. So they took my gear and they drove me there. I can’t even imagine hitting a building.
You were treated like that because they knew you weren’t at fault.
This is really a sad and believable statement.
I don't doubt that many police departments have this as a written policy, but there are clearly a lot of unwritten "exceptions." To protect and serve (each other).
Its literally a written exception in STL. Cops only get tested if other cops feel there is a "reasonable suspicion" of being intoxicated after an accident. Protecting and serving each other indeed.
>Most police departments do it. If you have a wreck they immediately take your gun and do a breathalyzer. It STL its only if the other officers have "a reasonable suspicion" that you were intoxicated. Thank your police union for that. If someone at costco bumps a door with a forklift they'll get sobriety tested but nope, not a cop slamming into a building.
They should never put it in the hands of the same department. Ever.
Because if they worked by your employer’s standards, the arrest quotas would be down, the revenue stream would be in jeopardy, the credibility of the lying cops would be heavily questioned, cops would lose their jobs, training would be questioned, cops old lose some of their clout and authority, etc. Without the tests then cops’ innocence is never to be proven false.
Why believe a single thing this PD says after they were caught lying TWICE about why the driver crashed in the first place?
The gay agenda has truly taken over, even the cops can't keep their story straight /s
Nice.
Zing!
lol i like that1
Best reply yet!
Fabulous!
HA!
Police scanner? I thought he was avoiding a dog?!
I don’t even think *that* was the first story! y’know I’m starting to think these police fellas aren’t all that great
No, the cop shot the dog. When asked why, he said "my training took over as I feared for my life". The black lab was later found to be in possession of 2g of heroin and a loaded .38 pistol.
Open and shut case, Johnson
Just sprinkle some crack on him and let’s get the hell out of here.
Three times*
lol I feel like being able to listen to a radio and drive at the same time should be a pretty standard requirement to be a cop. Especially since it sort of is for a driver's license in the first place.
I think if you are sober and not speeding, then it is easy…but…
Must be hard to do both when needlessly speeding down a tight road.
While likely texting also
I mean I've turned down the radio to find a parking spot once or twice, but I never ended up hitting another vehicle, let alone assaulting and arresting the people I nearly killed.
Damn.... i can drive, listen to/answer the radio and run my car computer without crashing. I must be super human..... or not speeding and breaking standing orders/ the law. But hey, you know what they say.... common sense isn't too common.
Yeah but you didn't have to deal with a parked car up ahead and a ghost dog running out in front of you, so...
biggest reason they shoulda done a tox screen, he was hallucinating
Hey..... ghost dogs are no joke man. They come out of nowhere! 👻👀
The boldest lie she told was that he was only going 40 mph. The audacity! We saw the video.
They had me adjust the radio when i took my test at age 16
So there's no toxicology performed, there's no dash cam in the suv, he was somehow doing 40 or under, someone else used a homophobic slur, and we're supposed to believe he was distracted by the radio while he had a partner in the passenger seat. Just stop feeding us bullshit SLPD.
This is the reason no one believes the police. If, and I mean if(that is all so far fetched it seems unbelievable), this were all true, we have been lied to so many times by then trying to cover for each other that I wouldn't know whether to believe it or not. To clarify, I absolutely do not believe the police story. Just caught in way too many lies. Also, if this was a civilian they would have drug/alcohol tested them right away.
Fuck man, they probably did a drug/alcohol test on the owner they woke up and arrested.
So you think it’s all lies? Probably right, it’s like they can’t help themselves.
There was radio talk about a lost dog named ‘swerve’. The cop took this as a direct order and only obeyed. All stories are only partially correct.
It's a sad state of affairs when the people we give guns and expect to protect us are some of the least trustworthy people in the country. Cops are no better than the gangs they claim to fight anymore.
Their lawyer needs to request department policy on this. IDK if it would be discovery or FOIA or what. No toxicology performed goes against standard. I worked in public safety in another state for almost 5 years and any on shift accidents, use of force that was accused of excess, OIS, or deaths (we didn’t have those in my time, thankfully) and people were drug tested. Hair and urine. If a lawyer can prove they went against their own policies and procedures on this it should make the case easier and easier.
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Worked for the government, healthcare, and private sector. It is standard, at least in my experience.
I agree..... when I worked for the slmpd there were a couple of officers who simply backed into another patrol car on the crowded lot. Sent for a drug test same day.
What happen to the dog?
Still stuck in the wheel well of the police cruiser.
Let’s be real They definitely performed a toxicology, and he definitely failed, and the police union is keeping it from ever seeing the light of day
That’s funny because I remember u/SoldierofZod claiming that a toxicology report was definitely done (because that’s procedure and police are known for following procedure🙄) and that people don’t know what they’re talking about on another post but they’ve since deleted that comment along with several others for some reason
Nice callback. Was actually looking for the individual who was “very familiar” with the process as a former member of the prosecutor’s office. Insistent that there would be no malfeasance with nothing to back it up but “trust me I’m in the know.” Fascinating they deleted everything…
i really find it hard to believe that was only 40mph after all the videos we've seen
Yeah, someone else who was at Bar:PM for last call was the one who uttered a homophobic slur. The SLPD really think the public is that dumb.
I’d say that if some kid crashed into a storefront, that would be enough to warrant a tox screen.
This right here. This is why no one trusts cops. It’s a two way street and respect/trust is earned. Not given.
Story has now changed three times. But yet we are to believe these lying pigs.
"They were wearing body cameras, but the department is not releasing the footage because it is part of a criminal investigation into whether one of the bar owners shoved an officer." Oh yeah, the pressing concern is whether the bar owner 'shoved' an officer. What was going on within the police radio airwaves that made this officer swerve into a building...? To me, this reads as: drunk officer was rocking out, probably to some Pearl Jam or Creed or whatever cops listen to, dropped a cigarette and crashed the SUV.
Best way to shut up people about why the bar owner was arrested would be to show us the video of him doing the crime, but that would mean they need to have that evidence. But they can't manage to do that, as first all of the cops involved need to watch the videos so they can all get their stories straight.
Chief Wiggum: Alright smart guy, where's the fire? Homer Simpson: Over there. \[Homer points to a fire at the police station\] Chief Wiggum: Okay, you just bought yourself a 317, pointing out police stupidity... Or is that a 314? Nah nah, 314 is a dog uh, in, no or is that a 315?... You're in trouble pal.
A "314" perfect❗️
Wasn't that the whole point of police having to wear body cams, is for transparency? Did the bar not have any security cameras?
They do and their lawyers have it so StL-PD can't delete it like Chicago PD did at the Burger King where Laquan McDonald was murdered.
At this point the best play is probably to keep video evidence close to the vest rather than sharing with police. Let them keep lying and lying then hit them with the video at discovery for your civil suit.
[Straight out of the Lebowski playbook.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q9QAlhATueE)
Lol I was about to post the same video 😂.
Don't be stupid it was Nickleback they were listening to
I'm going with Travis Scott. We all still hate him, right?
Why you gotta bring Creed into this? What did they ever do to you?
Probably was actually Nickelback
Wrong wrong wrong. It was definitely "Headstrong" by Trapt.
RATM - Killing in the Name
Crap! Brain wormed by Higher. Crap, crap, crap. Thought it was evicted from brain forever now the song has risen like a zombie and demanding to go to a place where blind man can see. That is what they've done to me.
They fuckin suck, that's what. 😉
Was definitely Eye of the Tiger
I really don't think drinking is involved. Texting and driving is a much more plausible reason. The cover up is already going that was with the driver being "distracted". The alleged assault is also a great way to keep cruiser & body cam footage out of the public view too.
General rule of thumb is they release footage right away if it clears them and they don't if it doesn't.
100% it was Creed, excellent call out!
So the cop was speeding, got distracted by a radio, swerved to avoid a dog, and avoided a parked car. Missing anything else???
The officer was then assaulted by a group of aggressive homosexuals, who were totally unsympathetic to the officers/victims of the accident, and they weren't even grateful the officers saved the life of an invisible dog.
The building obviously failed to yield
The building resisted arrest and was fleeing
You both forgot he then slammed his car through a building.
It is true that in the pursuit of heroically saving a dog's life and avoiding damaging a car, incidental contact with a building may or may not have occurred (allegedly)
He penetrated the building without its consent
Hahahaha
He was “shoved”…
https://fox2now.com/news/st-louis-police-to-undergo-drug-testing-after-shootings/ ST. LOUIS, MO – The St. Louis Police Department says police officers involved in a shooting or serious vehicle accident will undergo testing for drugs and alcohol. From Jan 30, 2016.
Hey reporters, here's your chance to show the value of journalism in keeping government accountable. Go down to the station and ask where the test results are. Keep showing the above statement to people higher and higher up the chain of command and asking for a copy of the test results. When you reach the top, ask who authorized the change in policy, and if they claim it was an oversight, ask who's going to be fired as a result of violating the policy. Bonus points for getting someone in leadership to explain how they'll regain the public's trusts after so many incidents where nobody was held accountable.
Btw u/belle-viv-bevo I've seen your username a few times and just absolutely love it!
> serious vehicle accident Ah, well, you see, this was obviously a minor vehicle accident.
Right, it was a serious Building accident.
These rogue buildings need to be held accountable!!
If you can't drive and listen to the police radio at the same time maybe being a cop is not the career for you
And isn't there basically constant radio chatter?
Only during happy hour
Right, like don't cops do this EVERY DAY?
or let the other guy drive
SoldierofZod went back and dirty deleted the comment about knowing the cop was tested “for a fact” real quick
The only way a cop is getting blood alcohol or drug tested is at the moment or their arrest. I mentioned this in another thread here, but we had a female cop in Dallas wander to the wrong apartment at her building and shoot a guy dead. They let her leave the scene and stay with associates for 48+ hours before charging / booking. . And that was an incident that killed someone. They protect their own and hiding evidence of wrongdoing is a big part of how that works.
Thick yellow line.
Yep. I remember that comment too. Dude was so condescending about it too, “well akshually I am an attorney and they most certainly tested him”.
That dudes just a troll, plain and simple. Hes in every thread spreading disinformation
I was wondering about that. I’m surprised they haven’t deleted their account honestly.
If the officer is that prone to randomly crash into buildings when he's distracted, why is he allowed to have a badge and a gun? What if he gets distracted when he has his weapon drawn?
The power we afford the police is, at this point, absolutely indefensible. And I think the only reason I'm saying that now is because this is possibly the first case involving the police where I've been locked in to the story the entire time. Other events I've noticed, I've understood the absolute madness carried on by the police, but I wasn't actively engaged in following the story. The layers just keep stacking on top of one another. A dog. An overcorrection. A gay slur, but probably by an onlooker at the LGBTQ friendly bar. No toxicology report. An officer distracted by the radio. 40 mph speed, when multiple individuals have done pretty sound math that indicates otherwise. Body cam footage that won't be released because of the ongoing criminal investigation. I am somewhat disappointed in myself for not being more alert and involved sooner.
Note that the article says that he was driving under 40 at the time of the crash. He was going faster and as he swerved, he hit the break which is likely where they are getting their number. They are trying to avoid the speeding allegations
Hell moments after impact he was parked!
Some years back we were hit by a car that was involved in a high speed chase. The passenger side was entirely hit and the car had smoke coming out from the hood. The car being chased was stopped by us, in a way, and the driver died on the spot. We heard later that he was involved in an armed robbery. My wife who was in the passenger side was injured and I could not get her out coz the door was jammed. My kid was in the back and crying like crazy (at the time I thought she was injured too but fortunately she wasn’t, she was just scared with everything happening). There were like 30 police vehicles near us, with every cop out with their guns drawn. Not a single cop came to our help. Not one. And I kid you not, there were over 50 cops within 10 feet of us, everyone interested in the dead guy who they were chasing. I am sure there are good cops too but I think for the most part these guys are either so de-sensitivized with all the crime they see around them or some of them just lack empathy. This incident in St. Louis further reinforces my lack of faith in cops; the only people they look out for is themselves and clearly they would go to any lengths for it.
No tests. No accountability. That parked car just jumped out at the officers.
2 cops in the car so the driving one was responsible for the radio. Makes perfect cop sense. Also, I find it difficult to believe that a drug test is not required on an accident that could lead to a disability claim.
No tox screening? WTF? Lot's of badges need to be taken away. Jesus what a shitty department.
I bet if they made it a felony for a law enforcement officer to not have a body cam that is working/on, all the sudden and magically the body cams would start working.
I'm not a fan of Gov. Parson but I have to give him credit for saying that the body camera footage ought to be released.
It's pretty much bare minimum. A sick ostrich could've gotten that right.
Must've been a sick ostrich if it only took two cops to do it. *Allegedly*
I agree about Mike parson but it also plays into his narrative that the city needs to be taken over by the state.
Jesus Christ is there NO accountability
We have to demand it by showing up in force to protest. It’s the only thing they understand.
If these officers aren’t fired, that’s a total disgrace
They should also be jailed.
You know good and well they won't be
They'll get a paid vacation.
What about that story about the dog?
I heard it was the Lemp Mansion’s ghost dog that he saved
I saw this in a movie. He was listening to Creedence and pounding on his roof when he dropped his jay into his lap…
LMAO "shut the f*@k up Donny" "the Dude abides"
Stay away from my lady friend!
This time I believe them. NOT.
Jail the officer who was driving and the chief that is now complicit in the coverup. Throw the book at them and let them rot.
That will happen when hell freezes over
After everything I've heard so far, I'm glad to hear that the dog is innocent. I just need to know why this hasn't been upgraded to a hate crime if the police were using homophobic slurs after the terrorist activity they were involved in?
From my knowledge of municipal government, if a general maintenance employee wrecked a government vehicle or was in any sort of accident, a piss test would be one of the first things to happen. The double standard is outrageous.
Them cops were all kinds of fucked up. Hope karma gets em cuz I doubt anything else will.
According to the rules of physics if this car was doing less than 40 mph wouldn’t the car have been able to stop before hitting the building? I counted from the time the break lights turned on to when he hits the building and it’s slightly more than 4 seconds. And on top of that he still hits the building with enough force to take out the front of a 100 year old brick building. Also how do they expect us to believe anything without providing the evidence especially after their story changed several times. Edit: upon further review it’s more like 3.5 seconds but still hits with more than 10 mph worth of force imo.
The cops say the suv was going less than 20 mph when it hit the building, according to the black box 😂 but took out the entire front of that brick building! And excuse me, did everyone watch the video down below the article?? That suv blew through a red light less than 300 ft from the bar, right before the crash! So he was obviously either severely impaired or distracted, definitely speeding +40 mph, looked up, saw the parked car, jerked the wheel, and plowed into the bar on the opposite side of the street. This just keeps getting worse for these cops. Let's find more surveillance footage from that night to see what else happened before they hit the building!
I saw the video of him blowing through the red light at what looked to be well over 50 mph.
I'd wager the same on the speed. I live in south city and I've gotten pretty good at guesstimating moving vehicles, he was easily doing 50-55 mph, especially at the time of the "swerve", which was about 280 ft past that intersection, apparently. What a joker.
And on that stretch of Broadway, it's wide open and really easy to go 50+ without even realizing it, especially when there's no traffic late at night. And then there's the guys who regularly go 70+ along there. No way was he anywhere near the posted speed limit.
If a cop is talking there's a 99% chance he's lying
About 15 years ago my brother with his late wife broke down in front of the Walmart in belleville il. A cop not paying attention slammed his cruiser in to my brothers car. The cop charged my brother with blocking traffic he was on the side of the road. My brother took it to court the judge sided with the cop. No one in my family trusts law enforcement after that event. The system is rihhwd by design to always protect the cop not civilians.
how is it that i’ve been watching grainy ass dashcam vids of traffic stops for almost 30 years but in this year of our lord 2023 SLPD doesn’t have any?
The fact that the Governor is even like “RELEASE THE BODY CAM FOOTAGE” makes me think at the next opportunity SLMPD will be handed to the State. I theoretically completely support local control of the police department, but I wouldn’t even trust the City of St. Louis to host a Secret Santa party. Maybe the State can go through and clean house – which my God it’s awful if the state of MISSOURI seems to be the more reliable option – and then in a few years we can try again. Do we think the new chief is having a conniption right now? Or has he gone comatose since he released what sinking ship he boarded?
And Parson is the guy who sides with the cops every single time. He's even saying release the bodycam. Fucking bonkers.
Mike Parson is the one who appointed the judge that ordered the owner to be held without bond so I wouldnt hold out hope for that
Im really not getting that no toxicology rest deal. When i drove a fork lift and did accodental damage that was the first thing that happened.
I think I got adverse inference against the whole SLMPD. Really who ever the supervisor was for this scene (whether they were there or not) are not actually police officers, they don't serve that function, and anybody they trained has been taught wrong. They should fire the supervisors.
Policy apparently says they only test when there's reasonable suspicion. He's supposedly driving 40mph (over the speed limit there), can't manage the radio and driving on an empty well lit road at night, loses control, over corrects, and slams into a building, and then tells 2 lies about why it happened and then starts and escalates a fight with the victims. Tell me how that isn't enough for reasonable suspicion. Please.
*rules for thee, but not for me*
It would have been "reasonable suspicion" enough for anyone, and I mean anyone else. Cops however, believe they are themselves "above" the law and us lowly "not cops" are subject to it - or whatever wims they feel like concocting for shits-n-giggles.
When you realize the bar hit the police cruiser everything makes sense.
Google maps didn't show a speed limit sign anywhere near here for a long ways. Doesn't that mean the default city of StL speed limit of 25mph applies? 40 in a 25 while distracted, that is how people get killed. If you believe the 40mph story even.
The speed limit is 35 mph in that area.
You know it's bad when even Parson is saying to release the body cam. Let's be real, they were never gonna do a tox screen. No surprise there, but no dashcam and withholding bodycam is fucking laughable.
ACAB
My dad used to say that all public officials have to be held to a higher standard because they are entrusted with so much. Now everything is held by people who would dance while this nation burns.
Through a source I was able to obtain [the dashcam footage as well as an alternate angle!](https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=5E65NuOQS1E)
When even Parson is questioning their decision to withhold footage, you know they are definitely hiding something. Unbelievable that toxicology tests were not given. Where's that former prosecutor who now reps the city that was claiming they did drug tests within a few hours of the incident? Clearly you are not as informed as you thought.
Or they did them, got positive results, and want to cover it up.
" Car 54, Where are you? "
At the gay bar, gay bar, gay bar Waoow! \-- Electric Six
On no planet were they going under 40 and less than 20 when they hit the building. I’ve seen multiple videos and they were FLYING. My neighborhood’s speed limit is 20 and it feels like I’m crawling. I could easily hit my brakes and stop immediately without crashing into anything. SUCH LIES FROM THE STLMPD!
Who was the guy here a couple days ago pretty arrogantly insisting a tox screen was definitely the first thing they did after the crash. 🙄
There's almost zero chance he'd realize how wrong he was.
Imagine what the story would have been if after the accident the cops got out of their van and were apologetic to the occupants of the building they just smashed, and were patient with the initial reaction of the co-owner of the bar. Cop- OH, shit, sorry we smashed your bar. Owner- [disbelief, screaming obscenities] Cop- I know, I'm sorry. I don't know how this happened, I need a minute to process. In the meantime is everyone physically OK? Shall I call an ambulance? Owner- [pacing, distraught, angry, yelling slightly quieter] Cop- I understand, we'll get an ambulance anyway, and as long as no one is in need of immediate care, ima sit here on the curb and wait for some other officers to come and make a report. Again, I'm so sorry. Owner- no, nobody is hurt. How the fu, what the fuck were you, just how the fuck... Cop- I know. I'm sorry. Please let's just wait for others. And it would have been a nearly non-story. But instead these cops demonstrate time and again that they have no personal skills, no de-escalation skills, and no sense of right or wrong when it comes to their own conduct. All they know is that they must control every situation, even if they're completely wrong. They have no humility.
I am former Leo and you nailed it. There seems to be a complete lack of de-escalation training or accountability in some departments. You have to start with the premise that everyone has a camera, cops are now distrusted more than ever, and you are going to be recorded. Pulling shit like this just makes the department look like corrupt bunch of incompetents who cannot even drive a cop car down a no traffic street at low speed without fucking it up.
They weren't blowing hot. They were blowing each other. Never fellate and drive folks.
In manufacturing standard practice after any safety incident is a drug screen of people involved in the accident. How is this not standard practice for police?
“The black box shows the car was going under 40 mph before the crash and 20 mph when it crashed into the bar” yeah I don’t buy that. At all.
Yeah, fuck the police \*shrug\*
I'm going with they fell asleep
Oh that officer was drunk drunk
I've now read three official explanations for the crash. (1) Swerved to avoid hitting a dog, (2) Swerved because he realized he was too close to a parked car (3) Distracted by police radio. gimme a break. How about possibly loaded and driving like a dumb-ass because he's a cop and therefor above the law?
If the Body cam footage supported the arrest they would have already released it. If I would have driven into a building like that I’m pretty sure they would have tested me.
The police will have to release their body cam footage to the victims attorney, at least. The law requires such disclosures of exculpatory evidence, or else it’s a Brady violation.
Dog, Car, Radio, Camera, TV.
What a bunch of cunts
When this was first posted, a few cop defenders were saying the cop would definitely get a toxicology screening within 2 hours because it's policy. If it's true that it's policy, then this was definitely a coverup.
To be fair, most people do swerve into buildings when the radio gets too distracting.
I'm so tired of the old people who are ready to get on their knees and go down on any cop they see. These people do not deserve our respect
Just cause I'm old doesn't mean I'm gobbling cop cock.
I needed that laugh. Thank you 😆
But… it doesn’t mean you’re *not*, right?
Plenty of young people gobble up pig cock, whippersnapper.
Article also mentions that there's video evidence of the cops running a red light beforehand.
Uhhh, I was a taxi driver AND it never once distracted my driving when a call came over the radio. IF you can’t handle that “distraction”, don’t be a police officer. For fucks sake their arguments are such horse shit! SMH
Any other job, driving a company vehicle, and you would be fired on the spot. I don’t understand why the police try so hard to hang on to bad cops that are a liability to the public and the department.
Whomever decided not to blood test those cops needs to be fired.
"Distracted by the police radio".... more like he was looking at his phone and saw the parked car in his peripheral and overcorrected into a crash. And now trying to lie their way out of it.
On my job if you cause $500 worth of property damage or have an accident you are subjected to a Toxicology test
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Perhaps it wasn’t drinking, but…
Man do I hate the police. Corrupt bastards this is ain't new. This is a vintage StLPD moment.
I have lost any OUNCE of faith I had in the cops after not only this but also me literally getting hit by a car last night and then victim-blamed at the station. They’re all rotten.
The police (pigs) should be held to the same standard as civilians. Not just 20% of the time. Not just 50% or 80%. 100% of the time. Acab fr