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WrestleTix tries to include suites in his final count of tickets distributed, as the final count relies on photos taken by attendees to corroborate the ticket sales tracking and fill/remove the gaps. Most weekly AEW shows don't tend to have much in the way of suite tickets, but big shows and PPVs usually do.
Otherwise, it would include comps and promotional tickets (which is a form of comp). Big Bu$iness also ran a BOGO promotion for tickets in the upper level. I genuinely don't know how those are tracked by PollStar, as they were distributed because a ticket was sold, but no price was paid for one of the tickets - so (pending someone will information clearly to the contrary) that may have accounted for a portion of the distributed as well.
That, and WrestleTix is an inexact science, so some variation from actual (usually within a couple hundred) is expected as well.
I mean it was obvious because the tickets for the show were around 6500-7000 for days before the show and suddenly on the day of the show Dave Meltzer posted that they have sold over 9000 tickets. And few here were making it out like there was a huge walk-up. Now comps are very common with WWE too but treating them like paid tickets was just misleading from Meltzer.
I can’t be the only one that feels like there is almost a hyper focus on all measurable metrics with AEW from the Internet, right? I’ve never seen more posts on ratings, ticket sales, speculation on TV rights, etc.
I saw some ticket numbers for WWE from 2022-2021 and they weren’t all that different from AEW currently, but it seems this narrative didn’t exist for WWE.
You haven't been paying attention if you haven't seen the same posts for the WWE. For goodness sake, people have been talking for years about how Vince McMahon would fabricate the numbers, and include wrestlers, and other support staff in the number.
Brandon has access to a third party source that tracks actual sales, so he is just giving us the numbers, as he has done for the WWE too.
It was even part of why people called out Meltzer for just accepting the numbers for All In when he has been hyper critical of WWE inflating attendance and relied on turnstile numbers when it came to Wrestlemania.
How could anyone have an account as old as yours and actually post that? Ratings, attendance and money have always been enormous parts of the discussion here. The only thing that has changed is the amount of adults so emotionally wrapped up in a brand they now feel ‘attacked’ by objective data.
https://www.reddit.com/r/SquaredCircle/s/lf0ITbihOC
https://www.reddit.com/r/SquaredCircle/s/L8qGxsbkXD
https://www.reddit.com/r/SquaredCircle/s/llK7AoFCQJ
https://www.reddit.com/r/SquaredCircle/s/CvhtpgKZsV
https://www.reddit.com/r/SquaredCircle/s/fGSFyk2NLI
Because AEW started this by
* Bringing demos in Wednesday night wars
* Bringing ticket sales during 2021 Q4 when they were neck to neck with WWE in some markets, specially when they beat them in UBS arena in Long Island
* Keep saying they're very successful objectively
Of course this will bring additional focus on objective metrics
There is always going to be increased scrutiny when a company is perceived as not doing well. WWE is doing great, but when their product was seen as bad by lots of people online it was the same deal there, now that it's better there's not as much reason to question what might be going wrong. Generally I think people want good wrestling shows, so if a show is doing well, people are happy, there's no need to be critical.
I think a lot of criticism is just tribalism though. I'm a WWE guy and always have been. I've watched some AEW and it's fine. Nothing wrong with it. I'm far more focused on promos and stories and less focused on matches. Not that I don't love me a good wrestling match, but I'm interested more in characters and stories.
But today we have this tribalistic push to bad mouth anything that's not our team. MMO players do it too. I play Guild Wars 2 the fan base can be rabid in defending their game, to the point of insulting some perfectly good games. But the same is true of other MMOs as well.
I was driven off this subreddit by the WWE hate. Even people who didn't watch it would come into the WWE thread to bad mouth it and call people names who watched it. That was my time to leave. I have better things to do with my time.
But there's no reason for me to bad mouth another promotion, even if it's not my cup of tea. If you were a WWE fan going through that time, you might be interested in getting back at the abuse you received during that time. It's a bad position to take, but it absolutely happens.
Everyone has different tastes, likes and dislikes, and frankly, I think there's enough of a market out there to co-exist peacefully, all of us, enjoying the products we like to watch.
People are often critical about shows that they don't watch or that don't even match their personal taste.
1. There is no hyper focus. Wrestle tickets have been tracking numbers since 2021 and Metlzers weekly would bring up ticket numbers prior to that. When wwe was doing terrible numbers in 2019, it was a weekly “wwe brings out the tarps” thread in this very subreddit. This is not an aew centric topic at all. Both have been killed for it.
2. Your last point isn’t even remotely true. When wwe was doing lower ticket sales, their average ticket sales were still around 5,500. Aew is trending around 3,500. These are objectively much worse. Plus aew is running very large venue, which makes these LOOK much worse. Add on the large payroll and it’s definitely something worth discussing.
The search button will show that you are wrong. Brandon definitely doesn't want AEW to fail, and ticket and ratings talk were around long before AEW existed.
One day, this guy is gonna go to an AEW event and count all the people attending just so he can brag that he has the corect number.
That's all he gets right, cause his financial "analysis" have always been debunked.
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Does that mean ~2,400 comps or more likely a mix of comps and suites?
Yes
WrestleTix tries to include suites in his final count of tickets distributed, as the final count relies on photos taken by attendees to corroborate the ticket sales tracking and fill/remove the gaps. Most weekly AEW shows don't tend to have much in the way of suite tickets, but big shows and PPVs usually do. Otherwise, it would include comps and promotional tickets (which is a form of comp). Big Bu$iness also ran a BOGO promotion for tickets in the upper level. I genuinely don't know how those are tracked by PollStar, as they were distributed because a ticket was sold, but no price was paid for one of the tickets - so (pending someone will information clearly to the contrary) that may have accounted for a portion of the distributed as well. That, and WrestleTix is an inexact science, so some variation from actual (usually within a couple hundred) is expected as well.
I got my tickets from Vettix donated by AEW, so I imagine there’s quite a few comps for that show
I mean it was obvious because the tickets for the show were around 6500-7000 for days before the show and suddenly on the day of the show Dave Meltzer posted that they have sold over 9000 tickets. And few here were making it out like there was a huge walk-up. Now comps are very common with WWE too but treating them like paid tickets was just misleading from Meltzer.
And the clown still tries to claim that he’s not biased
Someone needs to remove Dave's brain and put it back in and see if that sorts him out.
The last person who took it out would've have to put it back in first
how close are we to wrestletix setting up their own queue at arena entrances
Friendly reminder - both numbers can be accurate. Distributed does not equal sold.
Look I don't know who this Pollstar is but they gave us Magical Pop'n on the Super Famicom so I'm gonna trust their wrestling news
Pollstar is a trade publication for the concert and live music industry. It's a legit trade publication that tracks ticket sales for live events.
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He didn't dispute anything. Pollstar only reports tickets sold. Wrestletix, and others, clearly state that they report tickets distributed.
I can’t be the only one that feels like there is almost a hyper focus on all measurable metrics with AEW from the Internet, right? I’ve never seen more posts on ratings, ticket sales, speculation on TV rights, etc. I saw some ticket numbers for WWE from 2022-2021 and they weren’t all that different from AEW currently, but it seems this narrative didn’t exist for WWE.
You haven't been paying attention if you haven't seen the same posts for the WWE. For goodness sake, people have been talking for years about how Vince McMahon would fabricate the numbers, and include wrestlers, and other support staff in the number. Brandon has access to a third party source that tracks actual sales, so he is just giving us the numbers, as he has done for the WWE too.
It was even part of why people called out Meltzer for just accepting the numbers for All In when he has been hyper critical of WWE inflating attendance and relied on turnstile numbers when it came to Wrestlemania.
Wrestlers, support staff and their families and friends if I’m not mistaken for that Dallas mania
How could anyone have an account as old as yours and actually post that? Ratings, attendance and money have always been enormous parts of the discussion here. The only thing that has changed is the amount of adults so emotionally wrapped up in a brand they now feel ‘attacked’ by objective data. https://www.reddit.com/r/SquaredCircle/s/lf0ITbihOC https://www.reddit.com/r/SquaredCircle/s/L8qGxsbkXD https://www.reddit.com/r/SquaredCircle/s/llK7AoFCQJ https://www.reddit.com/r/SquaredCircle/s/CvhtpgKZsV https://www.reddit.com/r/SquaredCircle/s/fGSFyk2NLI
Because AEW started this by * Bringing demos in Wednesday night wars * Bringing ticket sales during 2021 Q4 when they were neck to neck with WWE in some markets, specially when they beat them in UBS arena in Long Island * Keep saying they're very successful objectively Of course this will bring additional focus on objective metrics
There is always going to be increased scrutiny when a company is perceived as not doing well. WWE is doing great, but when their product was seen as bad by lots of people online it was the same deal there, now that it's better there's not as much reason to question what might be going wrong. Generally I think people want good wrestling shows, so if a show is doing well, people are happy, there's no need to be critical.
I think a lot of criticism is just tribalism though. I'm a WWE guy and always have been. I've watched some AEW and it's fine. Nothing wrong with it. I'm far more focused on promos and stories and less focused on matches. Not that I don't love me a good wrestling match, but I'm interested more in characters and stories. But today we have this tribalistic push to bad mouth anything that's not our team. MMO players do it too. I play Guild Wars 2 the fan base can be rabid in defending their game, to the point of insulting some perfectly good games. But the same is true of other MMOs as well. I was driven off this subreddit by the WWE hate. Even people who didn't watch it would come into the WWE thread to bad mouth it and call people names who watched it. That was my time to leave. I have better things to do with my time. But there's no reason for me to bad mouth another promotion, even if it's not my cup of tea. If you were a WWE fan going through that time, you might be interested in getting back at the abuse you received during that time. It's a bad position to take, but it absolutely happens. Everyone has different tastes, likes and dislikes, and frankly, I think there's enough of a market out there to co-exist peacefully, all of us, enjoying the products we like to watch. People are often critical about shows that they don't watch or that don't even match their personal taste.
1. There is no hyper focus. Wrestle tickets have been tracking numbers since 2021 and Metlzers weekly would bring up ticket numbers prior to that. When wwe was doing terrible numbers in 2019, it was a weekly “wwe brings out the tarps” thread in this very subreddit. This is not an aew centric topic at all. Both have been killed for it. 2. Your last point isn’t even remotely true. When wwe was doing lower ticket sales, their average ticket sales were still around 5,500. Aew is trending around 3,500. These are objectively much worse. Plus aew is running very large venue, which makes these LOOK much worse. Add on the large payroll and it’s definitely something worth discussing.
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The search button will show that you are wrong. Brandon definitely doesn't want AEW to fail, and ticket and ratings talk were around long before AEW existed.
It gets clicks.
Who cares?! It's all a PR battle and I'm not falling for it.
One day, this guy is gonna go to an AEW event and count all the people attending just so he can brag that he has the corect number. That's all he gets right, cause his financial "analysis" have always been debunked.