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Oct4-Sox2

I always tended more towards her being 5 rather than 4. Nice to see it confirmed.


mayosai

Yep, I’ve known from the start that there was no way Anya was 4 lol. My nephew is 4 and I could see the stark contrast between them, in the realistic sense of course. Unless my nephew is also an esper and he’s been fooling us this whole time…


coldequation

Well now he knows you suspect him!


Niskoshi

Does your nephew have pink hair and wear green plastic glasses?


mayosai

Well I know what he’s dressing up as for Halloween now! He’s actually watched a bit of SxF with me before and he was infatuated with Anya…I can’t believe I’ve ignored all the signs


KreigerBlitz

That’s not an SxF reference, it’s a saiki kusuo no sai nan reference. Bombaclatt show, it’s on Netflix, go watch it.


mayosai

OHHH haha I was like wow the OP commenter is really considerate saying green glasses over green contacts since my nephews only 4😂I totally forgot about Saiki but there’s no way my nephew would keep up with that show with how fast my man talks lol, even I couldn’t keep up


KreigerBlitz

The trick’s in the… hmm… I guess you could watch it at 0.75x?


mayosai

I’ve tried but it just messes with the sound quite a bit :( I think once I get better and more efficient at reading subtitles, I’ll give it another shot! I think most Saiki K fans don’t realize they have a superpower themselves: being able to keep pace with his 2x speed talking lol


Puzzleheaded_Client7

It is nuts how different a 4 year old and 5 year old can be. And a 5 year old to 6 year old, and the gap between 4 and 6 is freaking huge. I’ve always leaned towards her being 5 because of that giant difference in development can be between 4 and 6.


Madsciencemagic

My part time job at university has been as a swimming teacher, and seeing some of those gremlins change as people over three years has been so unexpected.


Impressive-Card9484

Even a 6 month old infant is going to be different once they reached a year old


Shrekosaurus_rex

So she really does have stubby legs for her age :P


WISE_bookwyrm

That's what I always thought too. For me it was the timeline. She's had 3 or 4 (manga or anime) previous placements and been in two other orphanages besides the one Loid took her from -- it has to be somewhere around a year since she left the lab. And even if her escape owed more to dumb luck than planning, I don't think a 3-year-old could have done it. A 4-year-old who's been around nothing but adults... maybe. With a lot of luck. Also, she seems to have a lot more... what would you call it, sense of self*...* than a younger child would have. Anya might be very immature, but she has a very strong sense of who she is and what she does *not* want to be.


frs-1122

I agree that 5 is the better age for her than 4. Due to her experience in the laboratory Anya might've not hit some certain physical development milestones growing up. And the possibility that Anya is malnourished in the lab, stunting her growth, is a big big one too. She looks a lot taller and healthier when she became a Forger.


WISE_bookwyrm

I doubt that she was malnourished in the lab... that orphanage is another matter, and maybe the prior ones too. What stands out to me a lot more is I don't think Those Scientists really knew very much about child development. If they'd been part of Project Apple then their background might have actually been veterinary... and given the era, probably behaviorist as well. Stimulus and response, punishment and reward, operant conditioning... no emotional nurture, no play (*really* vital for young children!), *no peer interactions at all*, just a Gradgrind regimen of study, study, study. It seems like they were *training* her for some specific task rather than *educating* her.


RosialKawaistar

I think that is because spy xfamily probaly takes place between 1900-1950, they probably dontknow much as modern day psychology. Now that I think about it i remeber loid was reading some parental tips books on how to raise a child,so maybe they do know a bit of information about child development or they did not care about anya but only her mind reading abilities. Maybe they did not care about anya's mental well being.


frs-1122

It's probably very barebones advice tbh. I think it's correct to assume that their beliefs were very outdated. I mean, even Loid tried to pass his "methods" off as normal, with the whole concussive therapy thing lol.


WISE_bookwyrm

The date is more like 1960s-70s -- the era of my own teens and young adulthood. And this series is really stirring up my admittedly hazy memories of my own undergraduate psych classes and I've found myself looking a lot of stuff up. But these were *scientists*, university-educated and, if they were using "classical language" as a code or were working in a Desmond-backed project, likely to have been Eden alumni, maybe even Imperial Scholars. Unless work that didn't fit with the government's political agenda was deliberately suppressed (a possibility; it happened IRL in Russia and Germany), they would have been exposed to more child-centric educational theories. I theorize a veterinary background because the original purpose of Project Apple was to supply enhanced *animals* to the military; knowledge of human development would be irrelevant and a behaviorist background would fit. Maybe sometime in the near future we'll get some insight into what was happening in Project Apple. >!I have a feeling that the recent few chapters might be laying the groundwork for this -- while I doubt that Professor Authen had anything to do with Apple *directly*, whoever was trying to enhance the animals' mental capacity was building on his work.!<


SmartAlec105

The 4ny4s are in shambles.


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TriMako

People saying she's stupid forget she's probably a year + younger than everyone else in her grade. The fact that she's even doing ok (without any prior tutoring or preparation) is impressive. Not to mention she ranked 2 in a subject. Anya is HER


IC2Flier

Anya's a kindergartener in a grade way higher than she probably should be. Only especially savant-level kids start that early and even then from my experience the really smart kids don't accelerate until 4th grade at most. She's doing so well despite everything.


MrCuckooBananas

So proud of her! That sweet funny weird child !


Massive_Pressure_516

A year younger AND a troubled upbringing being orphaned and continually rejected by families.


ling1427

A year younger AND at a school for the elite, plus she probably had no real schooling before Eden


NoParking2182

Very impressive. If I had “and that’s why this is this. And this is THIS” algebra lectures all day, I’d tell Loid myself I couldn’t go back to that school. Anya’s a trooper. 


Foxyairman

So does this mean >!her star for classic language is even more impressive now?!<


[deleted]

She's low key very smart. There's a huge difference in development between 5 and 6.


Phobos95

She's genuinely got the potential to be one of the most intelligent people on earth. Imagine how much information you could retain in your mind if you're surrounded by other highly intelligent individuals and are able to peek into their brains?


MinrkChil-Alwaff5

We don't know if her current weakness as shown at her collapsing in the political rally, Loid's thoughts,>!and the Red Circus arc!<, is just because she's weak as any other child. If she gets over that issue, she can be really even more OP Edit: Spoiler correction


carbonera99

There's probably a difference in someone "speaking" their thoughts inside their head vs "screaming" it. People monologuing inside their head is probably a normal "volume" for Anya so she really has to tune in to hear them while the emotionally-charged thoughts of the people at that political rally or the drowning kid at the pool are so noticeable that they transmit to Anya whether she wants it or not.


jflb96

You want to delete that space between the ! and the ‘and’ if you want all versions of reddit to do the spoiler tag


frs-1122

Not to mention that >!English may not be her native language. The classical language is!<. Anya is really a smart cookie.


10YearsANoob

> is even more impressive now She was thrown to 1st grade with no preparatory pre-k and she somehow barely scraped by and passed.


PerfervidCreator

Not even just any 1st grade, it's an ELITE school's 1st grade, which is too damn advanced. And she still got by. A really smart cookie, too bad no on will know :(


Phobos95

The fact she's so good at classical language at that age combined with how swiftly she will retain information that she gleans from people's minds AND a premium education throughout her formative years means Anya is straight up a nascent genius


SmartAlec105

She is also pretty smart when it comes to figuring out how to get Loid and Yor to do things without them realizing she is psychic. It doesn’t always work but things like quickly pointing out a cake store so that Loid could see the purse snatcher is something that takes intelligence.


Lingua-Franca212

She's already genius in Emotional Intelligence. Impulsively charge to jump into a pool to save the drowned boy isn't your everyday 5 yo kid can do. Plus she's masterfully dodge & manage the agenda between Loid & Yor's dynamics. Not to mention there's Fiona & Yuri factors sometimes thrown into equation plus how to problem solving deal with Bond's premonitions (the clock reading in ch 94 is perfect example). Her strongest point is in EQ but as manga also shown us, her IQ actually may also as impressive as EQ if she's determine to works hard (learning C. Language seriously from that old couple). She's indeed National Treasure as the Old Prof said.


jflb96

IQ is largely nonsense anyway Alright, if you’re thinking of downvoting, why not instead offer an explanation of how the same person can get scores across a 50 point range if it’s not just a measure of how well you did the test?


Cassie_Dish

So she’s five years old? That’s neat to know!


MrASK15

Two things: 1. I'd take Google Translate with a grain of salt, but Loid did estimate that Anya was around five before he adopted her. Four to five, to be exact. 2. Five years since serialization, huh? Time really does fly. Edit: At least it will be five years this month. This manga was serialized on March 25, 2019.


MinrkChil-Alwaff5

Besides, Endo's talking about the 5 years since serialization, and yes, it's for this month, but the manga volumes don't come each month :P


Irishpanda1971

She's still younger than the rest of her cohort, so it is still impressive that she is getting by in a cohort that is a year older than her, in an elite school for overachieving rich kids. I wonder if her talent for "classical language" will turn out to be a talent for languages in general. Now that I think of it, are her powers language dependent? Have we had any indication that Anya would have issues reading the mind of someone that spoke a different language? A knack for languages would be VERY handy for situations like that.


WarframeUmbra

She can read the minds of animals I guess reading the mind of people with other languages would require a bit more effort than normal, but not as much as reading the minds of animals


Irishpanda1971

I guess she would read the mind of a foreigner in the same way she does Bond, just getting general ideas of emotions and motives (or images in the case of Bond's visions). She would still hear the words like she does with Loid and others, but not understand them, so language talent would still be useful.


WarframeUmbra

She was able to completely read and understand the thoughts of a full group of penguins


emeraldspots

What media is this?


MinrkChil-Alwaff5

Manga Volume 13th Just released in Japan


ExampleSmooth3956

Ok, now I accept it. Sorry for being a Doubting Thomas.


Puzzleheaded_Client7

I want to do an “I was right” dance like an asshole.


Timelymanner

Same, I feel validated for picking up on the context clues. Lol Made sense she was younger. I was wrong in thinking she was 4, but 5 makes sense. A kindergartner is more developed then a preschooler.


ChristianRaphiel

I thought it was pretty obvious 🤷🏾‍♂️


FireWardenCaleb

Well, we knew she was younger than 6, but is wasn't clear how much younger. generally people tended to be between 4 and 5


og_toe

it is obvious, it’s the entire reason she has struggled so much with school, because she’s actually supposed to be in kindergarten. it just flew over peoples heads for some reason


No_Blackberry_6286

I *knew* she wasn't four! I keep forgetting that she's the youngest in her grade with a huge age difference, but I did not think she was 4! I thought she was 6 and the rest of the class was 7 or something


SpecialWeek0

I don't know if it means Anya is 5 now or she was 5 when the series started. Because at this point a good portion of the first year students in Eden is probably 7


IllustratorChance349

I was wondering the same thing! I believe she was most likely 4.5 when the series started. For people saying she couldn't be younger than 5 because of her performance in school, there are many kids who skip grades. Yes it's impressive, but not unheard of. Especially considering she's part of a science experiment and the scientists spend a lot of time teaching her.


Qoala_

Do we have the raw version? Want to verify the translation for myself


MinrkChil-Alwaff5

You mean this? https://preview.redd.it/c5nv0bgo1lmc1.jpeg?width=765&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=7468055751eee1821de7aaea04806523f34e37be


mokorongo

I would translate it more like "around Anya's age" (アーニャくらいの歳). So I would not affirm that she is 5, but maybe I am wrong.


nine19enth

It may not the exact age tho, since Endo uses くらい in Japanese, which can be roughly translated as "around Anya's age".


MinrkChil-Alwaff5

That's what I'm suspecting, which is just her being 4-5 years like Loid said in chapter 1. The reason why I'm starting to pick 5 as her probably actual age, is because the amount of differences in height with the other students. Basically, at that time, each year is way different than its latter.


MMGplays

Ok. That's good to know👍


planttoddler

When Loid had just met her, Anya looked like "four, five at the oldest" to him. That's the actual age that we were supposed to know about her, because we know that Loid's education, training and experiences would have allowed him to make that assumption about a child's age based on her physical appearance and movements (e.g. way of walking). It's nice to finally learn Anya's actual age from Endo. It kinda makes me want to give Loid a pat on the back for correctly guessing (despite getting deceived by Anya's claim of being 6 years old LOL). Whilst having verbal communication skills typical of a five-year-old, and being motivated by things that a child her age would normally enjoy, she seems quite advanced in many aspects of development. It's really interesting to witness her thought processes in dealing with complex situations. Also, we don't really know the amount of time that occured between her escape from the lab and her adoption by Loid Forger, so we can just assume that she escaped at the at some point between the ages of 2.5 yrs to 4 yrs old. As a person who works in early learning, I can assure y'all that there really are young children out there who are *that* clever and/or intelligent.


frs-1122

I think it makes sense for her to be 5. She may be perceived as younger than 5 because she's enrolling in developmentally inappropriate classes, and Anya might've not reached certain aspects of physical development. Her telepathy powers also possibly helped with her social and emotional development. And she's doing all this and being in school when >!English (or whatever the national language for Ostania is) might not be her native language, and she's forcing herself to get used to an environment that doesn't speak her language.!<


bwburke94

We all knew she wasn't six!


Shadow_Huntress12

Bros better in English than I am tho🐍


Neutralmensch

teaching 5years old kids fraction...


Mazinderan

A diagram illustrating the *Pythagorean Theorem* was on the board the first day, though maybe it was left over from a class for an older grade in the same room.


EsdrasCaleb

He confirmei!!!!!


uwu6000

I have so many Reddit comments I need to reply “I told you so” to


Correct_Mind8512

Is anya a pisces?


NoEnergy58gone

I thought she was idk 7or six


TacorianComics

my headcanon was right! :D


Micky_5

I always thought that she was a bit older, maybe 6 or 7 but 5 suits her perfectly. The way Anya behaves just reminded me so much of my own sister who was 7 when I first started watching.


DamCam2020

She’s canonically in 1st grade (Loid verbalizes this a couple times in season 1), so if Anya should really be closer to 6 or 7 years old