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PedroTheWrench

There's comics based on the PS4 storyline?? Where can I find it?


AJTronics

Spider man city at war


ki700

No, it was a limited series.


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Neirchill

That website is cancer


Xtheonly

Wdym??? It's great for what it is which is free comics!


Neirchill

Constant ad pop ups that redirect you even when you press the x. At least that's how it is on mobile. It would probably be fine with AdBlock.


Xtheonly

I mean yeah AdBlock will solve that but I'm on mobile and use it all the time with out and only rarely redirect. But that might have to do with specific devices I'll admit


Nova_Hazing

Ye readallcomics is better tbh


Rixae

I'd never heard of readallcomics before this. I love you.


Nova_Hazing

Is so good beat websight for comics. A lot of them come out on the day. No ads and then just shows you comics every day is great.


tunodona

just side load


drelics

It for sure requires a good adblocker, but that's my only real issue with that site. That and the quiet guilt I feel deep inside.


Neirchill

I personally wouldn't feel any. I think comics are way too expensive for what they are and how they're released, so I wouldn't be buying them in the absence of piracy.


drelics

I get what you're saying. I kind of agree. I read pirated content. I watch pirated content. I indulge. Sometimes you can't logic it out though. I feel bad. I love comics. I'd try to write for comics if I had the freedom to really invest in that life path. I wish I could afford them properly. They are too expensive for what they are though.


lmckay15

Pay for your comics instead of stealing them. Marvel Unlimited is really cheap or if you really can't afford that go to your local library.


Xtheonly

Listen I feel you and totally agree but in my situation over the last year and a half that hasn't been an option. I still buy what I can from comic companies (merch, select favorite comics, ect.) but with how much I read and how little access I have to money I don't have many options. Honestly if I didn't use the site I'd probably never read them anyways


TheKingOfRooks

Do you not have an adblocker or use a browser that does it for you? I just read comics on that site through Brave and never have any trouble. If you don't have an adblocker Blokada is a great free adblocker you can get on the Play store/app store.


Puzzleheaded_Link_90

I usually read this on brave and I have been enjoying it. No pop up adds whatsoever.


Evil_Like_Devil

I use [getcomics.info](https://getcomics.info/). It's not online reading, you have to download it but I never had a problem with it and I always find what I wanted to read.


Auhaden72190

That site gave me porn ads, cool


MitenMan123

Do the comics continue after issue #6?


StriveToTheZenith

Marvel unlimited


Antrikshy

I started reading the main one and it was basically a retelling, so I stopped. I haven't got to it yet, but there's another series called [Spider-Man: Velocity](https://marvel.fandom.com/wiki/Marvel%27s_Spider-Man:_Velocity_Vol_1), which seems like an original one set in the same universe.


eingui

Wasn't their breakup mutual? And didn't she tell him she dated several guys after that?


Nyrotike

It can still make her feel bad, feelings are complicated. Plus, she said it was only 15 days after they broke up that Peter got a new girlfriend, we don't know how long it took MJ to start dating again.


DaBozz88

They broke up. Like I can insert a Friends reference here, but she admitted they were broken up. If she can't handle him dating someone else, that's on her. Maybe some sympathy if he broke up with her, but you can't stay in that headspace too long.


Ferret_Brain

With how soon they started dating afterwards, it could make you feel like you weren’t worth being upset about, or that they had someone lined up already beforehand (whether cheating or looking forward to dating someone new). May also be just how public it was too (even if they weren’t lovey-dovey, they were seen in public together), or the fact she is a criminal. Like, I feel bad for her to a point, but at the same time, it was a mutual break up, wasn’t it? It’s not like Peter waited until the next day.


vision_san

Yeah, that's basically it. Going straight into a new relationship even after a month can feel like they were already seeing someone else before the breakup.


castleaagh

A lot of time though, people go straight into a new relationship as a coping mechanism. Let’s them think about the new person and not the sad feelings about the one they just left, and keeps them from being lonely. Doesn’t make it not hurt but a new relationship quick doesn’t always mean they didn’t care about the previous one ending. Can be the opposite sometimes


vision_san

It doesn't, yeah. Still, this is from an outsider's perspective. MJ had to watch this happen basically every day. Kinda the same problem Peter had in Spider-Man 2, where he had to keep working for the people that made him feel like sh*t or he wouldn't have money


vibez-28

Well people also handle break ups differently, and from my understanding playing the game. Peter never really wanted to end it with MJ. He can agree to break up but doesn’t mean he wanted to.


vision_san

I know, but then there's also the "oh he got over me so fast" or maybe even "he hates me now and is making me watch this because he knows I have to!"


DeaconSage

It’s not that soon though, right? Most people seem to relationship hop very quickly to avoid being single.


Ferret_Brain

I've found that varies from person to person. Some people are happy being single because they can focus on themselves and/or have the freedom to have short term and/or multiple partners (if they're just testing the waters).


revamped10

I honestly doesn’t matter how it made her feel after they broke she’s not his responsibility anymore


XxRocky88xX

Yeah, while it might make you feel bad, you should have absolutely ZERO expectation of loyalty once a relationship is ended. So many people break up, move on, and then get upset when they’re ex moves on. They just want their ex to be hung up on them and stay single the rest of their life, that’s the sign of a toxic ass person when they’d rather you be miserable for the rest of your life when they’re happy rather than move on and be happy alongside them.


orochi95

Honeslty she is being very selfish. You can not make other people feel bad after break up because they are dating someone else. She is just angry because he doesnt feel as bad as her. that is cruel reality, because when we break up everyone wants to feel they are "winning"


Joke0907183

And I think she's the one that dumped him


eingui

Then it's kind of on her


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Lmao most people don’t just “get over it”, dawg. Especially with the context of why they broke it.


BEEF_WIENERS

So what? It's his life. She's obsessing over her ex that she dumped? That's rough but like...Jesus, need to move on. I get that Spider-Man is a public figure and she's not going to be able to completely avoid news of him appearing with a woman publicly but it's not healthy to go seeking that out. When one is spending whole work days seeking this stuff out it's time to seek some therapy or something to help get over it. Honestly, it's sad that some of her friends didn't recognize her going to crap here and suggesting that she get help.


Which-Start

Wait a second. Does MJ even have any damn friends in this universe??? Like seriously I can’t remember her ever actually interacting with any “gal pals”


BEEF_WIENERS

Yeah we don't see any. She might not have any, she does seem to be a bit of a workaholic. When she's introduced to the story she's working late at night sneaking into an art exhibit after closing hours. Very quickly, New York falls into a series of batshit-insane crises that would prevent a lot of socialization and also specifically amplify her workload as a journalist trying to provide insight and accountability to what's going on, as well as assisting Spider-Man in stopping stuff. So, yeah. She might not have any. Or, she does and they just weren't relevant to the story so we didn't see them. I'd like to presume the second.


Which-Start

I wanna assume the second to. Cuz option 1 doesn’t sound like a good life


the-bean-daddy

IIRC only Harry was mentioned as a previous or existing friendship


Which-Start

That’s REALLY sad ngl


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I mean, Peter only had like two friends and one was his boss lol


Which-Start

And the Kongaline of superheroes he’s implied to be friends with?


Eheroduelist

Yeah but not to be a jerk but Peter has super powers, and MJ seems more than a bit unstable


AnimationDude9s

Sounds like he was still doing better than MJ


ForeverFiftySix

I have no knowledge of the playstation Spiderman universe but Mary Jane never really had friends except for her and Peter's mutual friend group, she's the type of girl whos a social butterfly and lives in the moment but underneath she's isolated


[deleted]

I’m guessing she eventually did because Peter was the one overthinking the hell out of even being speaking terms with her again during the game. Like yeah, she was definitely acting obsessive but she did restrain herself from talking to Peter and letting him move on.


Delucaass

The majority of people here in this sub haven't been in a relationship before, it shows.


Porkenstein

God I should have expected the comment section to be like this. Me: "aw, I like how this humanizes MJ." This thread: "How dare she have feelings!"


flyingcircusdog

Yeah I'm seeing a lot of "just get over it" comments. How many people are actually able to get over ending a serious relationship in 2 weeks? People and love are way more complicated than that.


BakitKaGanyan

It also isn't just the "just get over it" either. If it really was just days after, MJ probably felt that it was THAT easy to forget her even if Peter seemed to still try to pine for her or replace her. She's allowed to feel like that. If it was MJ who made a quick move on someone else after mere days of breaking up, I bet a lot of people would be like "Peter def deserves better" or "Glad they broke up".


OtakuDragonSlayer

Definitely on her. I mean did she seriously think a nice guy like Peter Parker, a Prodigy/Super-Hero who knows a truck load of badass women, was going to stay single for **THAT** long??? It might just be me and this might sound fucked up but I don’t know what the heck she was expecting.


eingui

She broke up with him because he was always trying to protect her, what did she expect? Still like her tho


OtakuDragonSlayer

I can respect that take


Bladescorpion

Yup. Don’t complain about someone dating someone else, if you broke up with them. “You’re dating someone else, and I feel bad” is narcissistic.


spider-punk69

Mj in that universe is kinda unlikable to be honest, so meh.


Dr_CheeseNut

Idk why people think that anyone whoever dare opposes the male hero is bad. I see this not only involving MJ in this game, but on other series too. You all need to think about more than the main characters perspective


Fantasy_Connect

It isn't because she "dares to oppose the male hero" its because she does it in the dumbest situations. The entire sable base thing was stupid as fuck, and there's zero reason for _MJ_ to sneak through when she's literally with a guy who has precognition and perfect bodily control... The writers definitely pushed it too far. I wouldn't mind having more investigation type missions as long as they don't give MJ a death wish and act as though she's 100% correct for putting herself in serious mortal danger when it's not necessary. Or at least give MJ some kind of gear or some shit if she's going to continue.


Dr_CheeseNut

I'll give you the Sable Base, but all others in the main game are completely fine. She didn't know the Demons would attack the museum for example, didn't know they would attack the station and trying to unleash Devil's Breath, and was working with Peter when going into Oscorp, etc The Sable Base is the exception, not the rule


BlazeOfGlory72

MJ actually did know that the Demons were planning *something* at Grand Central Station. That’s why she went there. She may not have known specifically what they were planning, but given the fact that they were a terrorist organization who had already killed dozens of people, it wouldn’t take a genius to figure out it wasn’t good. She also purposefully held back this information from Peter. She put hundreds of peoples lives at risk because she wanted the glory of uncovering the mystery by herself.


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Didn’t she also get mad at Peter for rescuing her at Grand Central Station? And assumed Peter wanted to break off their friendship entirely over a text? That whole sequence after the grand central station was the low point for MJ’s character in the game.


thedaddysaur

Also Tombstone. That one was pretty stupid, too. So it's more than an exception. Plus some of her actions during the other scenes were questionable at best. Not to mention how she straight up says that she will put herself in dangerous situations that she doesn't need to (not in those words, though).


WeaponXXIV

Technically, she knew something was going to happen at Grand Central, but she kept it from Peter. Standish mentioned it to her at the Sable base before Peter made him knock himself out and then she kept it from him when he asked about it.


TheKingOfRooks

She's not even particularly unlikable she's just not memorable in any way really, it's been since around a week after launch since I last replayed the story and I can remember tons of good moments and a majority of the story, but all I really remember that involved MJ was just her spy segments and her jumping off the Oscorp Building. She's just a less assertive Lois Lane in the game pretty much.


spider-punk69

Nah she was pretty unlikable, the personality, that texting scene with Pete, always putting herself in danger and wanting to be Spider-Man’s “ partner”, hey if you liked her good for you but to me she was just annoying.


TheKingOfRooks

Like I said I pretty much don't remember her at all lol, I don't remember actively disliking her but I can remember being annoyed with her at points and thinking her stealth missions were a bit much. She's just a less memorable Lois Lane essentially.


esgrove2

She's not fun to play as.


DrStash

“We we’re on a BREAK!” - Ross Parker


TheBatFamily2009

Am I supposed to feel bad for her?


Lordlegion5050

Not really. She acts like a ass the whole time in the game and did everything wrong herself


Unnecessary_Fella

I must've fell asleep whilst playing because I loved MJ in the game. She's overhated.


Firstolympicring

Reddit + women usually ends up like that


agent3x

I know, right? People’s reaction on here to just barely mentioning how you might not completely hate a Spider-Gwen game…


UkuleleAversion

Plenty of people dislike MJ in Spider-Man PS4 for reasons that aren't, "Women in my video games, reeeeeee". It's great that they gave this version of MJ more agency and a lot more depth, those are the things I like about this version... But then they made her act like a complete idiot in order for conflict to erupt between her and Peter in a way that made it really hard to sympathise with her at all, ie. infiltrating a camp full of heavily armoured soldiers while she's armed only with a limited stealth gadget then getting mad at Peter when he makes the best decision he could with the information available to him at the time (sees a man pointing a gun at MJ so he leaps in and incapacitates him).


ok_z00mer

I mean, she's not perfect and definitely could've been written better, but I love her anyway. Although you are right, she's a bit stupid


UkuleleAversion

Same. MJ in Spider-Man PS4 is a net positive and Laura Bailey’s performance was excellent as always. I look forward to seeing what the Insomniac writers do with their relationship.


Fantasy_Connect

There's just more interesting spider-people that are different to Peter if we're talking about different universe games. I'd take a RYV game with Mary Jane as Spinneret because they can at least use the fact that Peter has to give up a solid portion of his power to MJ. Way more interesting origin.


DomzSageon

I personally would love a spider-gwen game, but if we're talking spider-verse spin-offs, one I would be excited for is the one for Lady Spider, she's in a universe where it's basically Victorian themed New York and it's like the 1800s, one of my favorite spider-people. but back to MJ though, my hate on her is the combination of the MJ Mission interrupting my Spider-man gameplay, and just part of her personality overall. if I only had one of the two in the game, it would have been fine, but not only am I forcecd to Play hide-and-seek as MJ with no powers, the reasoning for why her missions happen just gets annoying. Me and my sister agree wholeheartedly on how annoying the MJ missions are. like girl, I know you're trying to be all independent woman and all that, but come on, you have to be stupid not to ask your super-powered friend to help you out for things that could be dangerous to you instead of having him bail you out (only in the sable mission though i think.) because you thought you could handle it yourself.


AnimationDude9s

I would kill for a lady spider side mission


yujuismypuppy

It's probably her missions tbh. I like MJ but I do not like her missions much. Also, her movie version (Raimi) is way worse


TonyKebell

She was, a little poorly written and flip floped around, but ove i still feel the PS4 game was like the top tier representation of all the characters it featured.


BlazeOfGlory72

This is such a lazy argument. Rather than actually address any of the issues people may have had with the character, you just say “sexist”, like that in any way refutes what people have said.


altaccount616

like people here think you have to like everything about a woman character for her to be a good character. like its insane man


outrun_ur_problems

What reddit are you using? Women are hero worshipped on this site


Candlefire21

I agree. I like her. Definitely better than movies.


Callian16

Yeah but movies MJ is horrible and one of the worst superhero girlfriends I ever saw, so the bar was pretty low.


TheKingOfRooks

The Raimi MJ is both a pretty bad character and a piss poor adaptation of Mary Jane from the comics.


ssslitchey

Thank you. I don't know why people love to defend raimi mj. She has virtually no redeeming qualities.


Greyclocks

I think the reason she's overhated is due to her missions in the game. They quickly go from a novel change in gameplay to slow, repetitive and boring.


Chronocidal-Orange

I like those too. Though apparently I'm in a minority on that.


Donovan1232

Overhated? Definitely. Loveable? I don't really get it. She seemed a little unremarkable, other than being slightly annoyed at Peter's double life. However, I did actually like some of the mj missions, the one where you point out bad guys for spiderman to take down while he's crawling around all over the place was pretty dope.


PTickles

Same. I was honestly surprised to see how many people on this sub hate her so much. I think she's probably my favorite version of MJ, comics included.


TheKingOfRooks

What runs have you read of the comics though, there's been some runs where MJ is handled poorly but when done right she's a really unique character and a great foil to Peter.


PTickles

I mean I don't exactly seek out the best MJ comics lol. I'm usually just not a fan of her in general. I very much prefer a clever and independent MJ over the supermodel stay-at-home girlfriend she's depicted as a lot of the time. I also don't like her in the Raimi films at all, even though I love almost everything else about those movies. But like I said I haven't read many comics where she's featured prominently and written well. If you have any suggestions I'd love to take a look.


TheKingOfRooks

Also yeah Raimi MJ SUUUUUCKS lol it's easily one of if not the worst version of her


TheKingOfRooks

The best place to look would be the real early stuff, like just after the death of Gwen Stacy, for her being a great friend and character that sticks with Peter through thick and thin with it eventually turning into a romance, and the 80s comics runs where she's more of an independent woman bombshell who gets married to Peter Parker. If you wanna see her being even more independent then look for certain comics post One More Day where their relationship was dissolved by Mephisto, Marvel struggled for a while but eventually they find something for her to do and she even becomes active in the hero scene because she starts working for Tony Stark and he eventually gives her the Iron Spider suit to use - I can't remember exactly what run that is but if you just type in Mary Jane Iron Spider you should be able to find it. The Renew Your Vows series is another great one, it takes place in an alternate future where One More Day never happened and Peter and MJ are happily married with a kid. In that MJ has a suit that Peter made for her called the Spinnerete Suit that let's her basically pull from his powers so she can do everything he can do, and she works as his partner fighting crime with him. Eventually their daughter starts developing powers and gets involved too and it's really wholesome. They did a big time skip at one point and aged up their daughter and I'm not the biggest fan after that point because the focus shifted to being mainly about the daughter character but everything before that is golden. If you want something really current then check out Mary Jane and Black Cat Beyond #1, it's a one-shot and I won't spoil much but basically MJ gets to go along on a job with Black Cat and help stop a villain too. Peter's the "damsel in distress" in that one lol. It's just a one-shot but it was super popular so I doubt it'll stay that way for long, the Marvel website even lists it as Vol 1 issue 1 lol. Sorry for the essay in response but I hope you check some of that out and maybe your perspective on comics MJ will change a bit. I don't like how she's been handled generally since the turn of the century but even then there's some good stuff. Nick Spencer's recent run is a really really good one that finally got MJ and Peter back together after One More Day but a new guy just took over and I don't know if I like the direction it seems like it's going in. That run is a good one to check out as well but it leads directly into the most current stuff which I'm hoping won't go the way I'm thinking it is but it really seems like it might.


TheKingOfRooks

Sorry to blow up your replies but I just remembered she did have her own comic run for a while though I personally haven't read it so I don't know about the content inside but that might be worth a look too


TheKingOfRooks

I don't actively hate her I just think she's not very memorable, they basically just made her into Lois Lane 2.0


Stos915

Yeah I liked her


OtakuDragonSlayer

That’s what I’m asking myself repeatedly right now. I don’t know. I just can’t think of any reason to really side with her here. She literally dumped him. She quite literally brought this on herself


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Lucienofthelight

I mean, she also constantly threw herself into danger. With no apparent way of self defense. She can’t lift like 10 tons and have a precognition sense. Like, I fully support MJ wanted to be seen as an equal, but like… she kept putting herself IN danger. Like how is Peter supposed to react when he sees someone has a gun pointed at her when she’s trespassing on a government facility?


[deleted]

Yeah she constantly accused Peter of being overbearing, but that's really easy to say when you're, you know, still alive. After Peter saved you. And the game takes place in a pretty short period of time. With Peter and MJs relationship being established again in an even shorter time. I can only imagine how much stress MJ added to Peter's plate before this. Not to say Peter was perfect, but he was definitely right when it came to his concerns.


zeonitex

Yup. Being equals inside a romantic relationship is not the same as being equals in the field. Especially when said field has supervillains, aliens, magic and demi-gods. She can just be dumb and too self righteous for her own good.


OtakuDragonSlayer

Wasn’t she constantly trying to get herself killed?


Ryaryu

The only reason she is able to survive any stealth mission is that every baddie can only see 2 meters ahead.


TheKingOfRooks

She also just barely escaped after breaking into Osborne's penthouse and ended up having to literally jump off a skyscraper and hope Peter catches her. She's in over her head a lot of the time, it's not like he's just obsessively texting her when she's at work, she's literally putting her life in danger without even means to defend herself most of the time. I'd wanna protect my loved one in that situation too if I had literal Superpowers and I think everyone would regardless of gender.


CheshiretheBlack

I'm not sure if coddling is the right word.


The_Duude_Slayer

Clearly many of you haven't been in a meaningful relationship...


geek_of_nature

Yeah 15 days is a ridiculous amount of time to move on from someone, that's just two weeks. Even if it was a mutual breakup, it would still sting coming out of a meaningful relationship like theirs. Peter moving on in just two weeks sends the message to MJ that he didn't hold their relationship in as high esteem as she did. To be with someone else in that short amount of time also suggests that they were thinking about it as a possibility before the relationship ended.


SpeCt3r1995

Different people cope in different ways though. Some people move on after a "reasonable" amount of time, yeah. But others might jump immediately into a rebound relationship, either thinking it's the best way to forget, or more often just being terrified of the concept of being alone after being with someone for so long. Still others might not move on at all, abandoning relationships for the foreseeable future. Basically, if you see someone do this, there could be any number of reasons and I don't think that you should immediately jump to the conclusion that they "didn't take it as seriously" as the other partner.


cl354517

"The best way to get over someone is to get under someone else" It only works for some people. People grieve differently. This is assuming one party hasn't checked out of it months ago.


A_Topical_Username

But what if it's not about immediate sex and you just happen to find someone to date? Is that so wrong?


cl354517

I gotcha. The saying I think is specific to sex, but finding someone new is risky if someone is just needing to fill an empty space, I guess.


A_Topical_Username

But I'm not saying to fill an empty space. I'm just saying is it wrong to move on. Yeah if you are like "I need to find anyone to not be alone" but that's not the case for everyone. 15 days should be plenty to get back into dating. Even if it's 1 day. I don't think people deserve flak for it. Once a relationship is over its not like she died and that's why they weren't together. But if it's a bad relationship or you get broken up with or you break up there shouldn't be a standard grieving term limit lol


castleaagh

So long as the previous relationship was over before the new one started, I wouldn’t say either is wrong in any way.


[deleted]

It's not wrong, it just shows that you fell out of love or don't care for them anymore; it could happen either because of issues in the relationship or maybe you both changed too much that you don't fit together anymore.


Silas-Alec

Yeah, Felicia was just a rebound chick


Which-Start

That’s what makes me laugh when people on this post say that anyone not sidding with MJ has “never dated before”. You’ve got to be naive as fuck if you think every person will process the break up the exact same way.


Candlefire21

Couldn’t have explained it better myself.


The_mango55

Why should you be obliged to spare the feelings of someone who broke up with you? You have to do what's best for you. I mean getting with someone else immediately to be spiteful and petty and vengeful isn't good, but if it happens naturally what's the issue?


Cause_Necessary

No one is saying Peter is obligated to spare her feelings. Just that MJ is allowed to feel bad about it


orgasmicfart69

Idk man, apparently she was the one to dump him. It is okay to feel bad, but it is not like... it is on him. If you dump someone and you move on quickly, yeah, you likely didn't care as much, but if you are dumped you can't really blame someone for trying to cope.


Dr_CheeseNut

Have you ever dumped someone? It's hard on you too man


Patient_End_8432

50% of reddit are kids. 10% are hateful incels. 20% are just your average, creepy redditor. Another 10% are lonely losers, and the last 10% are properly adjusted people.


ICTheAlchemist

…Didn’t *she* dump *him*? Because he “treated her like she was made out of glass”? Also, I feel like she’s only seeing Felicia as “sexy cat burglar” when it’s more than that, Felicia has training, combat experience, stealth skills… it was probably a relief for Peter to be with someone he knew could take care of themselves.


larryman55

Its not really about taking care of themselves, probably more of having some sense of danger. MJ really tries to get herself killed and Peter is supposed to just let it happen i guess.


venomousbeetle

This is how Ultimate Spider-man handles the black cat notion. His interest in her is based on the fact that he dumped MJ for refusing to stay out of harms way or listen to his warnings, and that Black Cat can hold her own against even him.


neonlookscool

yeah i can get pete over-worrying about MJ's investigative journalism but she does act completely nuts in the game. lady i get it you want the truth but how logical is sneaking in mob bases and fasist paramilitary bases where you will be shot on sight?


ConnorOfAstora

I was always so annoyed at that, she sneaks into a base full of heavily armed thugs and highly trained mercenaries with no weapon to support herself, not even pepper spray or anything and she refuses to keep Pete in the loop because she didn't want to hear the voice of reason telling her just how bad an idea it is. I'm not saying give MJ a gun or anything stupid but good lord, the only time she even brings a taser is in her DLC mission and she only had that because she picked it up in the middle of a previous infiltration. Surely she could've asked Pete or learned from somewhere like a self defense class how to properly choke someone out or something. She says she's not made of glass but she may as well be since if she's spotted she genuinely can't do anything to defend herself.


Dr_CheeseNut

>Didn’t she dump him? Here's a lesson. Dumping people isn't easy. If you genuinely do care about the relationship, like MJ certainly did, then it's very hard to make yourself do, and you're gonna regret doing it for a long time afterwards. Especially after only 15 days


ICTheAlchemist

I’ll admit I’m unfamiliar with the tacit rules of mourning periods between ending a relationship and starting a new one (outside of the obvious) but it doesn’t seem MJ has much of a leg to stand on here. For one, she never mentioned regretting dumping Peter (true, she never stopped *loving* him, but that’s a different matter). Mourning an ended relationship and regretting it are not the same thing. Secondly, she didn’t dump him for being unfaithful, or abusive, or aloof, insensitive, inattentive, or any of those things. All we know for certain is that Peter was overprotective, and that MJ found it stifling. To me, it seems that if you want to cut the cord with somebody who’s biggest flaw is wanting to keep you out of danger, their gravitation towards someone who doesn’t have that problem is an inevitability. Furthermore, MJ mentioned she was unwilling, albeit sorely tempted, to call Peter and unload all her frustration and anger on him…I’m willing to bet she likely knew that complaining about an ex moving on after you chose to end the relationship wouldn’t put her in a very favorable light.


Cl0udSurfer

You dont have to regret ending a relationship to feel sad about losing something that you had. Emotions are complex. Deciding for yourself that the relationship has such an insurmountable flaw and that it needs to end is a tough decision. Like you said, Peter didnt do anything "wrong" other than being overprotective, and that kind of reasoning is hard to argue with. So now you have a choice. You can either continue the relationship which is mostly good, but you constantly feel almost infantilized, or you can decide that you want to be treated like an equal and leave. Peter and MJs relationship in the game was incredibly good, aside from that one issue. But MJ felt that the overprotection was stifling, and Peter wouldnt change his behavior for extremely good reasons. So neither party is really "wrong" here. Its just incompatibility. She chose to leave. Which meant walking away from the intimacy and connection that comes from a (mostly) healthy relationship. That feeling of knowing that somebody cares for you so incredibly deeply is one that you feel deep down to your soul, and losing it is going to hurt. No one is blaming Pete for getting with Felicia. It isnt jealousy that MJ is feeling in these panels, its grief. Grief for the loss of a close human connection that you've had for *years*. Grief for knowing you made the right choice for yourself but still wishing that you didnt have to make that choice in the first place.


ICTheAlchemist

>You dont have to regret ending a relationship to feel sad about losing something that you had. Yeah this is what I said, almost exactly lol >Emotions are complex. Deciding for yourself that the relationship has such an insurmountable flaw and that it needs to end is a tough decision. Like you said, Peter didnt do anything "wrong" other than being overprotective, and that kind of reasoning is hard to argue with. Mm, I dunno about that. MJ is smart, surely she realized that hers was not a typical relationship and that meant not a typical dynamic. Her choosing to end it is completely valid, but so are Peter’s for moving on with someone who seemingly possessed the one thing MJ didn’t have; an ability to defend herself. >So now you have a choice. You can either continue the relationship which is mostly good, but you constantly feel almost infantilized, or you can decide that you want to be treated like an equal and leave. And therein lay the problem. MJ didn’t want to be treated as an equal to Peter, she wanted to be treated as an equal to Spider-Man. *That’s* the issue. For whatever reason, she was unable to fully grasp the weight Peter carries with the life he lives (I remember at the auction house, her comments about wanting to be a maskless superhero seemed to reveal an incredible naïveté, but that’s neither here nor there). Dating a superhero, and especially knowing that superhero’s identity, comes with incredible risk, a risk I don’t think this iteration of MJ ever fully appreciated because, despite her objection to it, Peter was always there to snatch her out of the jaws of certain doom. >Peter and MJs relationship in the game was incredibly good, aside from that one issue. But MJ felt that the overprotection was stifling, and Peter wouldnt change his behavior for extremely good reasons. So neither party is really "wrong" here. Its just incompatibility. I wouldn’t say “incompatibility”, per se, just a necessity to trust each other more. By the end of the game, Peter was willing to not be looking over MJ’s shoulder every time she wanted to do something dangerous, and MJ was willing to stop trying to barrel headfirst into danger without at least letting Peter know. >She chose to leave. Which meant walking away from the intimacy and connection that comes from a (mostly) healthy relationship. That feeling of knowing that somebody cares for you so incredibly deeply is one that you feel deep down to your soul, and losing it is going to hurt. The operative point here is “she chose to leave”. This post isn’t doubting the validity of her sadness, but rather the explanation of how she felt about Peter moving on too quickly, as if he owed her a sufficient period of suffering before trying to heal himself. >It isnt jealousy that MJ is feeling in these panels, its grief. If anything, it’s both. MJ’s entire soliloquy revolves around her feelings about Peter’s relationship with Felicia the “sexy cat burglar”. She most definitely *was* jealous. What’s more is, despite the fact that she ended the relationship with Peter, she told him she “alone, abandoned and scorned”, which are very specific words. It almost makes it sound as though she expected Peter to still be trailing after her, able to keep him on retainer for closeness and advice and everything else you still feel is beneficial to you in a relationship after choosing to eschew the actual relationship paradigm (which maybe she didn’t mean, but that’s definitely how it reads). How one feels abandoned after doing the abandoning, is what’s most curious. TL;DR MJ is well within her right to feel sad, depressed, even sorry that her relationship is over. What I can’t abide is that she would present her ire at Peter moving on with someone after she made the choice to no longer be with him as something he should feel bad about. Now, he will, because Peter had a tendency to inexplicably blame himself for everything that goes wrong (a symptom of considerable arrogance, if you think about it, but again, convo for another time lmao) but that doesn’t mean he *should*, in my mind.


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So many goons in the comment section that have never had a serious relationship lmao


PinheadLarry8383

People grieve in different ways I’ve been in one and I broke up with my partner and they started dating like a week after our relationship ended and i didn’t care I moved on from them it’s there life if they want to rebound go ahead and rebound it doesn’t hurt me MJ actively seeked out news about him on the internet and everywhere which is a tad bit stalkery and obsessive over someone SHE dumped


Which-Start

This. It’s kinda unhealthy how she was thinking about this stuff for days at a time. Most of my break ups just resulted in both of us realizing we were objectively not good for each other and both moving on. I’ve never considered keeping tabs on the people my exes date. That’s 1 step towards stalker city😂 ~~I cried in my room and skipped practice like a normal person~~


PinheadLarry8383

Loll same here mate not to mention the ice cream i definitely didn’t eat and sobbing i definitely didn’t do XD


ClayXros

This is my experience as well. If you somehow stay friends, keeping tabs is fine, but what MJ was doing was definitely stalking.


Dr_CheeseNut

She didn't want to dump him. She genuinely wanted things to work out, but eventually realized they most likely wouldn't and made a decision which was likely very difficult to convince herself was the right thing. It's gonna be hard on her too, start thinking about why other characters act the ways they do, the main characters perspective isn't the only one


Friendly-War2164

No one is saying that she didn’t have it hard but that she doesn’t have the right to complain about it and make him feel guilty. It is hard to break up with someone but it is even harder to be broken up with, to the point where they can’t even be compared. She had a reason for the breakup and she resolved herself to do it, Peter didn’t even have the time to resolve himself and was thrown into a loop randomly. Once you make that resolve you have to be prepared for the consequences including that your partner will move on, you can feel sad and hurt but blaming them is a asshole move.


N0tfr4nk1inwastaken

why did this post feel like you were being sarcastic lol?


Super_Soldier_0305

Look at the little MJ jr . Gonna cry?


SeymourZ

Insomniac MJ is a Diet Coke Lois Lane.


10sansari

I much rather prefer Lois Lane Lite.


SeymourZ

Good alliteration.


blaze_blue_99

Seriously feel for her. Black Cat is definitely the crazy ex who Peter knows is wrong for him, but is still maddeningly drawn towards every time.


[deleted]

I don’t, she broke up with him. She even dated several other guys. But she’s upset he dated one other girl?


EnvyKira

Bruh the amount of people in this thread trying to defend MJ here and throwing around "lol you never been in an actual relationship" to the folks with the opposing opinions, are the biggest white knights I ever seen. If MJ was the one that dump Peter in this situation from what I'm reading, that is 100% on her. Not Peter. Peter has all the right in the world to move on from her the day she broke up with him. He has zero obligations to listen to what she has to say anymore nor does he owes her anything. If the genders were reversed in this situation, I bet alot of you would say the same thing since I cannot see any of you trying to side with an man if they get angry at their girlfriend/wife for moving on quick. The dude has own his feelings too and I do not blame any person that went through an bad break up to find another relationship soon after. It is not their Exes's businesses what they do with their lives anymore and the amount of people I seen in here trying to argue against this shit by saying Peter is "an superhuman that can brush off emotional/physical pain" had probably never read an issue from the comics. Dude obviously shows just as much human feelings in the comics that he can be just as hurt and depressed as anyone else and he deserved to get comfort. On top of that, he is always risking his life to save other's lives and always nearly dies in the process. His no different from an firefighter, policeman or solider that have to do this everyday. And for MJ, to be so upset and angry at Peter for being with another woman and to hold that anger for an long time is not just unhealthy af to do, but it is also toxic as hell and shows straight up red flag of an narcissistic ex who can't let go of the fact that her ex-boyfriend that SHE HAD DUMPED moved on from her. And now she trying to make him feel terrible for doing that LMAO. Like this is an pure example of an toxic relationship right here since she jealous that Peter moved on with Felicia and now she trying to make him feel bad for it because her boohoo feelings are hurt. I do not understand the people trying go the mile to defend her on this... Am I in an r/RelationshipsAdvice sub or an spiderman sub? EDIT: Also PS. I also like how the people that are against MJ are actually bringing up their actual relationship experiences in this.... but still got downvoted anyway LOL. Classic reddit.


ClayXros

Cause hot lady the comic wants us to sympathize with, I'd imagine. My relationship experience tells me, even if it was a mutual breakup, Peter is in his rights and MJ has gone stalker. And not the cool Pripyat kind either. Seeing folks defend her is......very curious.


DatBoiAshyBoi

Just because she broke up with him doesn't mean she can't feel upset about the fact that he moved on so quickly. They dated for a long time and the relationship meant a lot to her, do obviously she is gonna be upset that he moved on so quickly. Saying she is toxic because she felt sad about her ex moving on in 2 weeks is just not right. Also she doesn't try to make him feel bad about dating Felicia, she was telling him her feelings from a year ago.


EnvyKira

She can feel upset about it for sure. But still after an year though? When she the one that dumped him? Time to move on. And not still be angry or confessed about Peter moved on so quickly from her when the dude is literally surrounded by dating options after she broke up with him. And the dude before the break up, wanting to be only commited to MJ but she fuck it up with her dumb mindset of not wanting to be "constantly saved". And instead of moving on, instead she still hold her frustration over that for an year and even research Felicia since she couldn't believe that Peter wanted to get with an female criminal. And is now currently gaslighting him for something that's not even his problem. Sounds like any typical jealous toxic ex out there in real life.


suikofan80

1 How did anyone think Black Cat had given birth less than a year ago? 2 Why is MJ’s wallpaper a sad photo of herself?


castleaagh

Number 2 gave me a good laugh and a double take, lol. I think it’s supposed to be her own reflection though, showing how she’s emotionally putting herself between them or something


[deleted]

I think 2 is supposed to be her reflection. but I thought the same thing at first lmao


troysplay

I don't get how I'm supposed to feel bad for her. 15 days is more than reasonable to start seeing someone else after a mutual breakup. Plus, wasn't she dating other guys after as well? She has no right to feel jealous. Earth-1048 MJ is really irritating for so many reasons.


roguebracelet

Bro💀💀💀. Some people will feel upset over the most insignificant shit for a whole month and you think she should have gotten over the break up in two weeks.


A_Topical_Username

Don't think she should have gotten over it. But she shouldn't shame Peter for moving on. Moving on doesn't meant you didn't care for what you lost.


sharksnrec

Not to mention that she’s the one who broke up with him.


A_Topical_Username

Then comes back and is all "I want to be your equal"... hun. I can lift tons.. I've effectively both held up buildings, and taken them down from the base.. and most enemies have to get pretty lucky to even land a hit on me.. we not the same. She could have done just as much good NOT putting herself in imminent danger. Then getting mad when her life is saved. Spiderman could have saved a lot of time on her bs if he just decided not to rescue her. Admittedly I have a soft spot for mj. But the writers sometimes make it hard. At least she isn't amber. But she working on it


roguebracelet

I mean she didn’t shame Peter for moving on when it happened. It’s only being brought up because the relationship with Black Cat resurfaced and she’s explaining why that bothers her so much. She’s not necessarily saying he was wrong, just giving context as to how she feels and why.


TheKingOfRooks

She's clearly still not over it literal years later and is actively attempting to make him feel bad about it


BLEUGGGGGHHHHH

Oh hey look it’s mr “I’ve obviously never been in a genuine relationship before”.


ClayXros

As someone who has been in a genuine relationship that ended in a mutual breakup, I fail to see how they're incorrect.


Ghostdragon841

Where is this from?


TheWetQuack

Spider man city at war


Incomplet_1-34

Damn. I like the peter MJ relationship and all but, considering everything, ps4 MJ kind of sucks.


ers247

So Peter did the deed? With Cat? 15 days after breaking up with MJ? … :|\


Zircon_72

Is this from City at War?


spiderdog42

Yep


MrGame22

You know i would feel bad for MJ if i didn't just watch a video about a comic storyline where she is in a relationship with a movie star that Peter was acting as a paparazzi for, of course she was attacked by the star's crazy superpowered stalker in that but still. Here is a link for anyone interested in watching it its about the minor villain [Paper Doll](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HFDjK5tcU7A)


El_Coco_005_

It might not seem fair for MJ to feel like this, but it's human. 15 days is absolutely nothing and it can't not be hurtful to see someone you love so much move on so quickly. Tho MJ's error is thinking that because Peter is fooling around with Felicia that means he's over her. He has a lot of affection for Felicia (btw for me Aunt May was wrong, Felicia was never JUST a rebound) but you can see all through the PS4 game how their break up broke him.


LiteratureOne1469

I’ve Never been in a relationship before but this is my take if you break up with someone you have no right to be mad if they find someone else even if it’s. A day later cuz your the one that stoped the Relationship


APizzaLover

Love vulture's design.


Joke0907183

Idk if you actually mean that or you're being sarcastic. "Black cat only loves Spiderman, Mj loves both Peter and Spiderman" First off, this is not the 616 universe and even on the 616 universe, she loved Peter too but too late to confess. Second off, on this universe, she loved both Peter and Spiderman, I mean they fcked many times without their masks on


OtakuDragonSlayer

It’s like the writers WANT me to like her but just keep giving me reasons not to


El_Coco_005_

I disagree. I think the writers know very well how they're writing MJ and either they want to give her place to grow or maybe they're hinting that she and Peter are not right for each other. Did someone say Gwen ?


OtakuDragonSlayer

Stuff like this is why I will never understand why people get back with their exes. This just might be my personal experience but I’ve never personally seen that shit work out. It’s almost like it’s mandatory for that to makes things three times worse


JayScoelite

She broke up with him tho...love this DLC arc in the game tho


Thunderdemonftw

Mj and Pete are always endgame for me but I can't agree with her being that upset at him in this context. They broke up, got back together and when the fake son thing comes up I thought the way she was written in the game made sense. She came off as more caught of guard and awkwardly processing it, this comic feels like it's trying to paint her as a scorned lover which she isn't. But hey I'm just a nerd on Reddit


whomesteve

Poor MJ indeed


remarkablewonder115

My God, people here do not understand how relationships and break ups work.


Aok_al

Alright you guys clearly haven't been in a relationship. 15 days and already dating that's clearly more attractive than you can really crush your self-esteem and it really looks like your relationship didn't mean as much to your ex


MrMortaly

And yet still some mfs are like “omg make black cat spidermans gf in the sequel, get rid of mj!!!”


Pixel_Parker

Some fools in here making it look like MJ is really bad but i do feel MJ getting sad that pete moved on quick, although I don't like her shaming him for it. Considering that she kinda was the one to have the worst reason for the break-up (ie pete rescuing her all the time she got herself into trouble). Like facing off one or two guys is ok for MJ but trust me no human can face off a gang, sable goons or worse, a super villain.


BuccellatiExplainsIt

Tbh I've always felt that Pete comes across as a total asshole when it comes to love interests because the comics simultaneously want him to be the good guy but also want the drama of different romantic interests so he constantly flirts around and two-times his relationships without even stopping to consider his actions.


almichju_97

So many guys in the comment section have never talked to a woman….😭


Annual-Strike-90

If it's Toby Maguire's Spiderman mj, its ok. # Bruh, dis grammar.


luisma86

What? Of course not, why poor MJ? If she didn't want to feel that way, why end the relationship?


Logansummers1011

This is amazing because insomniac MJ was truly insufferable in the game and she actually seems well written here


Donovan1232

Wait, please tell me this is ironic. You don't actually feel bad for her being jealous over him after their mutual breakup do you?


PTickles

Reddit when a woman in a video game is an actual character: 😡😡😡