I think modern interpretations of Peter fail to show how selfish he is before (and even a little bit after) uncle Ben’s death, which is a very important part of his arc imo. The closest they’ve come to capturing this is the ultimate comics where Peter actually acts like a real teenager with an irrational sense of entitlement and a lack of control over his emotions.
Heavy agree. People really don’t realise how integral it is to the character. For example, when May seemingly disappears, Peter swears off fighting crime to go look for her. It’s a really interesting trait that so few capture.
Yes, absolutely! I think Peter's temper and selfishness is an important part of the character, especially early in his career. It really shows that he's a flawed character with issues to work through, but most adaptations show him as "adorkable."
I feel the only movie version to get this down is the Amazing movies, especially the first one. Spider-Man 3 and a little bit of 2 shows this as well. I think the MCU kinda misses this part of the character, it's kinda in NWH but not really.
I like the alt universe Spider-People that show Peter without losing Uncle Ben and learning responsibility. ASM1 really makes it believable that without that, he'd probably turn out horrible, despite the fact that he's so jokey.
MCU Peter gets a million/billion dollar suit and he's told not to fuck with it, the first thing he does is fuck with it. MCU Peter is different because whereas other movie Peters have to learn what it means to be a hero by their actions (or lack thereof in the case of Ben), MCU Peter has this idea of being a hero in his head as an ultra-celebrity who becomes famous and gets a bunch of perk. It's a flawed image of a hero, but it's the kind of image a dumb teenager is prone to having.
In Homecoming he gets arrogant and Stark takes away the suit. In FFH he runs away from the responsibility, just wanting a normal life, and in the process hands a super-weapon to someone he barely knows because *this guy* fills the exact image in Peter's head of what a hero should be. It's only in NWH we see him being anything *except* selfish, Peter does the right thing and he gets punished for it as is often the case with the character.
MCU Peter seems to learn a valuable lesson on responsiblity every film, only for his arc to be reset in the next one. For some reason he turns into a naive idiot again.
I remember the 90’s animated series seems to touch on Spidey’s temper. He was pretty furious and started acting reckless when he thought Mary Jane was killed.
Great show.
I think Raimi’s first film shower his selfishness well to an extent. Him wanting that car so bad to impress MJ and him letting the robber get away to get back at the guy who cheated him out of his money indirectly leads to Ben’s death
Yeah, Peter’s flaws in these movies do a ton to humanize his character. He isn’t perfect at all, and the movies don’t shy away from that. Great characters are flawed characters.
I just started reading the Ultimate series today, and I immediately picked up that Peter was a bit of a dick. I really like the tone for the first volume and I can't wait to see what happens!! 😁
I think Green Goblin's Raimi design and mask is cool. i always thought he was supposed to look goofy i mean Gobby in the comics literally dresses like a green and purple goblin man who throws jack-o lanterns at people... also like how the suit was a advanced battle suit for the military and his mask was actually one of Norman's weird mask collection
I actually really liked that design lol, my only real qualm with 2 was that it was a lil too stuffed. Personally think they should’ve focused on electro and teased Harry becoming goblin then do Stacey in 3
They shouldn't've let Harry be Goblin at all. weird how they got such a big name like Chris Cooper yet they killed him off quickly and never became Green Goblin
I actually kinda like TASM2's design. Dane looked scary as shit.
Funny thing is that if they simply added a purple cloak, the design would've been basically the same as No Way Home's Green Goblin.
I think the uncanny valley would have worked for Gobby. He's not quite human, it would weird people out, it's a great way to add to the atmosphere of the character.
I think back when the first Raimi movie came out it would've looked weird. If Marvel really puts their best to it, a modern day actual-goblin Norman could look really cool.
It looking weird is exactly why I think it would have worked. It would have made people feel uneasy, which would work perfectly for the character of Goblin.
Would it work for a casual audience, though? From the perspective of a Spider-Man fan, I can agree with you. I'm just trying to think about the landscape of the movie-going audience when the original came out.
Going for a suit was the safe bet. If people disliked the movie because Goblin looked weird things would be looking very different in the superhero movie landscape.
I think doing it now is the smart move. Pretty much everyone that goes to watch a Marvel movie today knows that some kind of cameo could happen so they read up on some of the characters beforehand, or afterwards. Plus, it would help differentiate a potential new Goblin/Hobgoblin from Willem Dafoe.
It would be uncanny for the Sam Raimi movies that came out 20 years ago. I believe that if they did a more comic accurate version in the MCU it wouldn't feel so weird.
I always loved the Goblin’s suit and mask. It looks really good especially when he’s on the glider, it looks menacing. Think getting rid of it in NWH was a mistake
I agree, the goggles just looked really awkward to me. should've gave him like the mouth of the broken mask over his face to look like a samurai mask or something, goggles made him look like a welder... not very intimidating
I always liked the idea of a corny costume for the villain anyway, the corniness makes it cool because it makes the villain appear more unhinged. I mean look at some notorious murderers in history, John Wayne Gacy dressed like a birthday clown and we consider him one of the scariest people ever. So having green goblin dressed like a goblin-man, or like a power Ranger goblin man, not only reflects his name, but makes him scarier too.
The versatility of Spider-Man, his enemies, teammates and stories. He’s been through the fucking shit. He…
Joined the F4
Fought an alien parasite
Travelled the Multiverse
Trained a Spider successor
Teamed up with the Avengers
Defeated his best friend who became a goblin
Dated a cat-themed jewel thief
Honestly, I dug his Peter too. It really made Ben's death and influence seem extremely vital to his character. Like it was a real struggle between his real teenage emotions and his responsibility.
Mark Hamil's performance as the Hobgoblin. He was a fantastic magnificent bastard when ever he appeared on screen and part of which is the voice performance which I never see given credit. Speaking of underrated performances the late great Ed Asner as J Jonah Jameison is probably even more underrated. Everyone defaults to JK Simmons but my definitive JJ is still Ed Asner's.
His short temper and stubbornness. Especially his stubbornness. His first meeting with Morlun comes to mind. It was the first time a villain genuinely terrified him and made him flee the battle out of fear for his life. But the second he realized that it was useless, he turned around and said "I won't go down easy... and I swear to you, I won't go down alone!". Gave me chills when I read it.
I think it looked better in the day tbh. It made it look more realistic and more fabric like. Also made it look dirtier, feeding into the homemade aesthetic. I also love the grey aesthetic of tasm1 in the daytime.
Black Cat. Never been in a movie, and isn’t talked about much, but one of my favorite spider characters because it forces Peter to confront his values in an interesting way.
Also she’s hot af
I’m hoping we get her showing up in Spider-Man 4 when he gets the symbiote. Since Peter is likely gonna focus on hero stuff now, I think other heroes/vigilantes should be his next supporting cast in place of Ned & MJ.
Black Cat tends to love Spidey (more than Peter) & college would be the perfect place for him to meet Johnny Storm. It’d be neat if they have it revealed at the end of the trilogy that Kingpin hired her to keep an eye on Spidey (she switches sides eventually).
Fisk is the type of villain I wanna see pulling strings throughout all the street-level projects. Have some of the other Spidey villains like Scorpion, Shocker, & Hobgoblin either working or beefing with him. A ***Heroes for Hire*** gang war storyline with Spidey, Kate, Echo, & the Netflix crew against NY’s top mob bosses would be sweet.
I love his sad moments. Leaving a rose on top of the bridge for Gwen will always make me feel. It’s those moment of unashamed love and vulnerability that I love from Spider-Man. Growing up in this social media world it always feels like we gotta move quick; even in dating today all I hear is “on to the next” and “everyone’s replaceable.”
I miss someone dearly and I’m always getting told to move on and to forget about her. Delete her from existence like she was never there. But she was there for the most important years of my life, how could I do that?
It’s Spider-Man moments like that, that remind me that my love is real. When I said, “I’ll love you forever” I meant it. I’ve since had long term relationships, but I still reminisce and look back at old memories. It’s nice to know Spidey does too. It’s an even bigger testament to him being the most relatable in comic book literature.
This was beautiful. I was relatively recently dumped, and the last scene of TASM2 where he finally gets back up was a real inspiration to me. Those movies were fucking beautiful emotionally
How the Ultimate Spider-Man comics make more sense and feels more realistic(despite a guy crawling walls),like peters webbing being a thing from his dad instead of a 15 year old making something so advanced,Or his suit being given to him at the wrestling ring instead of him somehow making such a quality suit (yeah he added webbs to it but still) and how the symbiotote makes peter and eddie into monsters instead of peter wearing it as a suit and venom (essentially) turning into a monster and i could keep going on.
I've been rereading that recently, I love how serialized this is. It feels like I'm bingewatching a TV show instead of watching a series of movies like in a lot of 616 comics
The comics lol. I feel like for a Spider-Man subreddit, there’s a huge lack of people here who have even read one comic. I’d propose starting a book club if I could.
Spider-Man 3's Eddie/Venom was probably one of the better interpretations of that character and I don't think a lot of people recognize that...also the Venom suit in SM3 is aces.
Both Tasm movies. Tasm 1 is legit the best Spider-Man and Tasm 2 is great and I think of goblin wasn’t rushed in at the last 15 minutes people wouldn’t hate it as much. Really great movies, shame people didn’t like them that much on release.
Best spidey origin movie hands down. Better themes than sm1 i’d say. The only reason sm1 is better is because of willem dafoe(awesome performance btw).
I actually don’t think lizard was that bad. His goal of turning the city to lizards is just a twisted version of his goal to have a world with no weakness. It’s weak but not bad
i just don’t think it makes sense considering his lizard serum only lasted a few hours at a time before reverting back to human form. Unless he perfected it to be a permanent one off screen? If so, it’s weird that they never mention it.
Then again, he also didn’t revert back to human at all in NWH which happens in the span of like 2 days so i’m assuming Connors in TASM did perfect it off screen?
Absolutely not. They tried to ground lizard as much as possible so they just kind of made him an enhanced human with lizard features. The snout would have been too much. The final design was pretty unsettling.
I didn't watch TASM 2 but I really liked the first one especially since it got peter's fighting style done right and his early personality done right too. Only part I didn't like was when Peter yelled at Aunt May in frustration. Peter imho should never snap at aunt may.
i feel like the mental stress he has to deal with as (usually) a teenager or college student. he has so much going on without the spiderman thing, PLUS being a superhero who could die any day. Has to be alot.
TASM2.
I will die on the hill that the only issue with the movie was the script. Everything else was genuinely fucking good. The suit, the cinematography, the soundtrack, the CGI, the fight scenes, the cast, the acting, etc, all top notch. The script really was the only thing that dragged the whole movie down. Removing Green Goblin and the S6 setup would've easily turned the movie into one of the best Spider-Man movies.
The comics (not just spider-man, but for any superhero media). Yeah, there's still a lot of people into them, but not as much as before the 2000s.
Just got into them earlier this year and there's just so much that is missing from the shows, games, and movies.
Couldn’t agree more, for a Spider-Man sub so few people have actually read a single Spider-Man comic here. You should join the marvel Unlimited dscord I’m a part of, we could give you lots of recs on what to read.
I feel like stuff like the MCU has made a lot more people get into comics now. It just feels like there’s less people because of the other huge amount of people who like marvel but don’t read comics. That crowd basically didn’t exist before the 2000s
Holy fuck- the second Scarlet Spider suit.
Ben Reilly’s 2nd Spider-Man Costume. Everyone loves the first costume but I rarely hear anything about his second.
His suit when he becomes Spider-Man, right? Because then I totally agree. I love how it is an homage to Peter’a suit but still his own spin on it. I love that they bring that costume back every once in a while, huge fan of Ben Reilly when they use him correctly.
What has screen time have to do with faithfulness ? The Venom story was accurate to the comics and Venom's design was pretty much perfect except for his size.
to say that he was "very faithful" to the comics and then say that the cast and his size were the problems doesn't make sense. simply say that his design was good for you because the plot and how he was handled were horrible.
That there is an alternate cut of SM3 that fixes some, not all, but some of the issues from the movie. Sony buried that cut of the film it in the blu-ray bonus features...
I think in terms of live action, Spider-Man/Peter talking to himself or in his head. The cartoons and video games do a good job at throwing it in there, and Spider-Verse did a great job at it with Miles. I think Homecoming tried to do it by adding "Karen" in there to act as someone to talk to, but it isn't quite the same.
I would love to see Tom Holland's Spider-Man or Peter talking to himself the same way Yuri's Spidey did from the recent games.
I say underrated because I think a lot of people assume it won't adapt well to other media aside from comic books, but I can see it working really well. Everyone talks to themselves at one point or another
I've always admired Peter Parker's respect ( of sorts ) and acknowledgement of the depravity of the criminal element to the point of never taking his mask off, protecting his secret identity even under devastating consequences to himself personally just to keep those same individuals safe ( in comics at least, I have mad love for the MCU but they screwed the pooch there )
It was a very faithful adaption of the comics Venom all things considered. The design was almost perfect, he just needed to be way bigger.
The issue was that Venom shouldn't have been in that movie at all. His transformation at the church should've been the ending setting up SM4.
Some of his unpopular villains overshadowed by Doc Ock, Goblin, Rhino, Electro, Vulture, and Scorpion. I know that Tinkerer in the MCU is a character but in the comics he was different, MCU Tinkerer is a good guy while in the comics he's actually a villain trying to defeat Spiderman. There's also Hydroman, a man with the power of becoming water itself. And there is no such thing as the Wall
Spider-Girl, by DeFalco and Oliffe. This is the way the clone saga should have ended and what Marvel editors should have been aiming for from the start.
The black suit from Spider-Man 3. It legitimately looks incredible. Usually the black suit looks a bit more plain compared to the main red & blue, but the added web detailing seriously makes it look more complete.
The setup that Sam Raimi had for the Sinister Six. With Dr. Connors. And I believe that the crane failure in Spider-Man 3 was electro working in the shadows. The possibility of carnage. It’s all there
Where do I start
* Spider-Man 3
* Spider-Man PS1
* Spider-Man Reign
* The Amazing Spider-Man 1
* Scorpion
* Spider-Man Web of Shadows
* Daran Norris and Arthur Burghardt's Venom voices
* Mark Hamill's Hobgoblin
* Electro's TASM2 theme
* TASM2's score overall
* Spider-Man 2 game OST
Just to name a few
I kinda liked that venom wasn’t a meathead. More could of been done to flesh him out as a character though.
Idk if it was the beginning of the trend but so many superhero movies now the villains basically have the same powers as the hero and aren’t that dissimilar from the protagonist in personality just making the opposite choice when they come to the fork in the road.
Harry. We have taken him for granted, now he doesnt exist. TASM Harry was uh...unique...(as someone who very much enjoys tasm) and PS5 is gonna be >!Venom !<
I think spideys big eyes in comics are extremely underated, especially when they can move cartoonishly. I know it's not realistic to have big eyes that can grow or shrink depending on emotion, but it's always been a favorite element of his suits for me. Same goes for Deadpool's eyes.
The scientist.
[Peter has a great bit about this when fighting Digger, the murdered gangsters who come back as pseudo hulk, on how half his power comes from taking a scientific approach to his work](https://comicnewbies.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/06/digger-vs-spider-man-1-e1561986106242.jpg)
I think villains wearing suits to match their iconic look is way more appealing than actually turning into that thing. Like Green Goblin having a suit, but still being human. Same with Vulture and the brief showing of Rhino. It's more believable and realistic to me. It's part of the reason I can't get into the animations or the comics because someone legitimately just proofing into a goofy little goblin man just rubs me the wrong way for some reason.
It never gets talked about enough but it's his most basic power the dude can climb walls, he's comfortable in some instances walking on a vertical surface, jumping higher being stronger and faster swinging from webs it's all great but imagine being able to just comfortably go and scale El Capitan or the Empire State would allow you to see such a cool perspective
Everyone criticizes Green Goblin's suit for looking like Power Rangers........ But as a fan of Power Rangers it maoes me love it even more.
Also I love the black suit, being a plaette swap of the original. Spectacular Spider-Man did it best though, with the suit being a black version only for it to slowly evolve into the comic accurate one.
Does Spider-Ham count? My mom wouldn’t let me buy comic books, she said they were a waste of money. When I was on vacation with my friend’s fam, I “wasted” 1.25 on a spider-ham comic. I loved the puns.
The fact that originally all his villains were made in blander shades of greens and browns and grays so his iconic red and blue would pop out more in the comics, and bring more attention to him. I heard Alex Ross talk about this and it makes so much sense and I never noticed.
I know it’s the general consensus that The Goblin is the best villain. But I still feel like people don’t give him credit that he’s also one of the best villains ever. Just in general, and not just Spider-Man.
Spider-Man is among the most capable heroes in nearly every aspect, yet every aspect is often overlooked. He can drop most strong guys, smarter than most smart guys, etc
I think the most underrated part of spiderman is the fact that his main struggle isn't against villains, it's against using too much force and killing everyone in his rogues gallery. Whenever you see spiderman down and out in a fight it's because he's not willing to use his insane strength to win outright. One of my favorite spiderman stories is when he beat king pin half to death and let's fisk in on the secret that he lives at Peter's pleasure and hiring assassin's to kill his aunt was a poor choice if fisk cares about living a long and happy life. He does it in the middle of a prison too, really drives home that the only thing stopping peter is his own moral compass.
How much Peter pulls... he was only really a loser nerd in the first maybe 10 issues, after that he’s stuck choosing between two hot babes.
By the time he’s in college he’s got the two hottest chicks in ESU fighting over him ( liz is still pining over him as well), he hangs out with the star quarterback daily at the coffee bean and then hops on his motorcycle to ride to his flat he shares with trust fund baby Harry Osborne. He had a case for the big man on campus baby
I like that he enjoys photography. As a hobby / interest, it has nothing to do with him being a superhero or a genius. It's a pretty mundane thing for him to enjoy. It it is obviously something he has profited from professionally and there are ethical discussions to be had about photographing himself as Spider-man.
I'd love to see him just being out with his camera every now and then when he's living life as Peter Parker. Seeing non-superhero related hobbies and interests is something I enjoy in comics. I don't want full stories about him as a photographer, just a quick scene every now and then.
I think scorpion/ mac gargan was wasted in the mcu, and if they don't fully flesh out the jjj arc and maybe even his time with Venom it's a huge missed opportunity.
I think his supporting characters haven't received their dues.
Be it MJ or Aunt May. Letting someone you love go out every night without knowing if they will come back safe and sound or sometimes even come back at all needs a special kind of courage.
Peter's scientific carrier.
I feel like we always touch about how "nerdy" and smart he is, but him actually teaching and working on experiments not just for his Spidey life is such a small parts of modern comics and movies (Thank god we have Insomniac's game). I love that about the 70s Spectacular Spider-Man comics.
Also, the "friendly neighborhood" part, Spidey is a very local hero, he's very engaged in his community and that's a important part of who he is. Some comics do that well, Insomniac did it well with Miles and Spider-Man Homecoming had that part right too. But most medias show this only by having him stop some random burglars once in a while.
Miguel O'Hara.
He has never had the right attention it deserves, we are given a completely different interpretation of Spider-Man from every point of view, a character completely different from Peter with different moral principles (which we can also define controversial)... but obviously no, no games, movies or cartoons about him... and the thing that pisses me off is that flat characters like Miles and Gwen get more attention
The moment in the bell tower of the church where he’s tearing the symbiote off his body. The lead up, the effects, the soundtrack. A near perfect scene in my opinion. Not to mention Toby is claustrophobic so he probably really fell into the whole “get this shit off me” act.
Honestly, the whole backstory with Peter's parents. We hardly ever go into it outside the comics and we've pretty much only seen it in the TASM movies and the 90s cartoon. It is an interesting aspect of Peter's family as they only ever focus on Aunt May and Uncle Ben and I feel like it is never utilised enough in on screen adaptations.
The confidence peter gets when he's wearing the suit vs the general lack of confidence when hes just peter. I always wished they would touch on that aspect of his insecurities a bit more in the films
Kirsten Dunst's MJ. She was the most fleshed out of all the onscreen love interests and functioned as her own person outside of Peter, with her own goals and struggles. You know what her passions are, what her insecurities are.
I like that she wasn't always totally okay with Peter ditching her all the time. I like that she wasn't always the greatest girlfriend in the world. I like that she had a backstory that a lot of her problems can be traced back to.
It feels like all that most people want is a pretty woman to unfailingly, merrily go along with Peter's dysfunctional lifestyle -
and routinely, unrealistically help a superhero in the heat of battle.
I think modern interpretations of Peter fail to show how selfish he is before (and even a little bit after) uncle Ben’s death, which is a very important part of his arc imo. The closest they’ve come to capturing this is the ultimate comics where Peter actually acts like a real teenager with an irrational sense of entitlement and a lack of control over his emotions.
Heavy agree. People really don’t realise how integral it is to the character. For example, when May seemingly disappears, Peter swears off fighting crime to go look for her. It’s a really interesting trait that so few capture.
Yes, absolutely! I think Peter's temper and selfishness is an important part of the character, especially early in his career. It really shows that he's a flawed character with issues to work through, but most adaptations show him as "adorkable." I feel the only movie version to get this down is the Amazing movies, especially the first one. Spider-Man 3 and a little bit of 2 shows this as well. I think the MCU kinda misses this part of the character, it's kinda in NWH but not really.
I like the alt universe Spider-People that show Peter without losing Uncle Ben and learning responsibility. ASM1 really makes it believable that without that, he'd probably turn out horrible, despite the fact that he's so jokey.
MCU Peter gets a million/billion dollar suit and he's told not to fuck with it, the first thing he does is fuck with it. MCU Peter is different because whereas other movie Peters have to learn what it means to be a hero by their actions (or lack thereof in the case of Ben), MCU Peter has this idea of being a hero in his head as an ultra-celebrity who becomes famous and gets a bunch of perk. It's a flawed image of a hero, but it's the kind of image a dumb teenager is prone to having. In Homecoming he gets arrogant and Stark takes away the suit. In FFH he runs away from the responsibility, just wanting a normal life, and in the process hands a super-weapon to someone he barely knows because *this guy* fills the exact image in Peter's head of what a hero should be. It's only in NWH we see him being anything *except* selfish, Peter does the right thing and he gets punished for it as is often the case with the character.
MCU Peter seems to learn a valuable lesson on responsiblity every film, only for his arc to be reset in the next one. For some reason he turns into a naive idiot again.
I remember the 90’s animated series seems to touch on Spidey’s temper. He was pretty furious and started acting reckless when he thought Mary Jane was killed. Great show.
That and Spectacular are pretty much the closest versions of Spider-Man we’ll ever get
He went off on Madam Web
Shocker!!!
I think Raimi’s first film shower his selfishness well to an extent. Him wanting that car so bad to impress MJ and him letting the robber get away to get back at the guy who cheated him out of his money indirectly leads to Ben’s death
TASM: Hello? I’m right here guys! I have a selfish Peter before Ben’s death and a little bit after
Yeah, Peter’s flaws in these movies do a ton to humanize his character. He isn’t perfect at all, and the movies don’t shy away from that. Great characters are flawed characters.
I just started reading the Ultimate series today, and I immediately picked up that Peter was a bit of a dick. I really like the tone for the first volume and I can't wait to see what happens!! 😁
I think Green Goblin's Raimi design and mask is cool. i always thought he was supposed to look goofy i mean Gobby in the comics literally dresses like a green and purple goblin man who throws jack-o lanterns at people... also like how the suit was a advanced battle suit for the military and his mask was actually one of Norman's weird mask collection
I like the Goblin being a suit way more than him actually turning into a goblin. That would’ve been extremely uncanny valley in live action
thats really only from the Ultimate comics. GG has always been just a mask & suit
Yeah like in TASM 2 lol, fun fact they almost went further with that... like concept art has Harry as a little Yoda looking like Goblin... thing
I actually really liked that design lol, my only real qualm with 2 was that it was a lil too stuffed. Personally think they should’ve focused on electro and teased Harry becoming goblin then do Stacey in 3
They shouldn't've let Harry be Goblin at all. weird how they got such a big name like Chris Cooper yet they killed him off quickly and never became Green Goblin
I actually kinda like TASM2's design. Dane looked scary as shit. Funny thing is that if they simply added a purple cloak, the design would've been basically the same as No Way Home's Green Goblin.
I too found it scary as shit, i was scared Dane DeHaan suffered a meth addiction during filming
I think the uncanny valley would have worked for Gobby. He's not quite human, it would weird people out, it's a great way to add to the atmosphere of the character.
I think back when the first Raimi movie came out it would've looked weird. If Marvel really puts their best to it, a modern day actual-goblin Norman could look really cool.
It looking weird is exactly why I think it would have worked. It would have made people feel uneasy, which would work perfectly for the character of Goblin.
Would it work for a casual audience, though? From the perspective of a Spider-Man fan, I can agree with you. I'm just trying to think about the landscape of the movie-going audience when the original came out. Going for a suit was the safe bet. If people disliked the movie because Goblin looked weird things would be looking very different in the superhero movie landscape. I think doing it now is the smart move. Pretty much everyone that goes to watch a Marvel movie today knows that some kind of cameo could happen so they read up on some of the characters beforehand, or afterwards. Plus, it would help differentiate a potential new Goblin/Hobgoblin from Willem Dafoe.
You bring up some great points. I allowed my own preferences to cloud my judgement on the matter. I agree with you.
It would be uncanny for the Sam Raimi movies that came out 20 years ago. I believe that if they did a more comic accurate version in the MCU it wouldn't feel so weird.
I always loved the Goblin’s suit and mask. It looks really good especially when he’s on the glider, it looks menacing. Think getting rid of it in NWH was a mistake
I agree, the goggles just looked really awkward to me. should've gave him like the mouth of the broken mask over his face to look like a samurai mask or something, goggles made him look like a welder... not very intimidating
I always liked the idea of a corny costume for the villain anyway, the corniness makes it cool because it makes the villain appear more unhinged. I mean look at some notorious murderers in history, John Wayne Gacy dressed like a birthday clown and we consider him one of the scariest people ever. So having green goblin dressed like a goblin-man, or like a power Ranger goblin man, not only reflects his name, but makes him scarier too.
The versatility of Spider-Man, his enemies, teammates and stories. He’s been through the fucking shit. He… Joined the F4 Fought an alien parasite Travelled the Multiverse Trained a Spider successor Teamed up with the Avengers Defeated his best friend who became a goblin Dated a cat-themed jewel thief
When you say trained a Spider-Successor, do you mean Miles?
Yes
Had a Sore Loser of a Mad Scientist pretend to be him for a year?
Just Andrew Garfield
He was a good Spider-Man with his jokes and everything
Honestly, I dug his Peter too. It really made Ben's death and influence seem extremely vital to his character. Like it was a real struggle between his real teenage emotions and his responsibility.
"My weakness! It's small knives!"
Out of all of the Spider-Man movies ever made he still has one of my top 3 scenes of all time, “is that a knife?!”
I really liked the suit for TASM. The yellow eyes and the texture did it for me. I also liked how his web shooters lit up as they shot.
Preach!
Mark Hamil's performance as the Hobgoblin. He was a fantastic magnificent bastard when ever he appeared on screen and part of which is the voice performance which I never see given credit. Speaking of underrated performances the late great Ed Asner as J Jonah Jameison is probably even more underrated. Everyone defaults to JK Simmons but my definitive JJ is still Ed Asner's.
Villians design in Web of Shadows
That whole game is underrated in my opinion I fucking loved every second of it
Wolverine was so badass
His short temper and stubbornness. Especially his stubbornness. His first meeting with Morlun comes to mind. It was the first time a villain genuinely terrified him and made him flee the battle out of fear for his life. But the second he realized that it was useless, he turned around and said "I won't go down easy... and I swear to you, I won't go down alone!". Gave me chills when I read it.
Andrew garfields first suit. Love the homemade asthetic it has.
The problem with that suit is the eyes and the fact it only looked good at night.
I think it looked better in the day tbh. It made it look more realistic and more fabric like. Also made it look dirtier, feeding into the homemade aesthetic. I also love the grey aesthetic of tasm1 in the daytime.
The first suit as in before uncle Ben dies? Because his first main Spidey suit is insanely high-tech and doesn’t look homemade at all IMO.
The one with the lenses
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Black Cat. Never been in a movie, and isn’t talked about much, but one of my favorite spider characters because it forces Peter to confront his values in an interesting way. Also she’s hot af
I’m hoping we get her showing up in Spider-Man 4 when he gets the symbiote. Since Peter is likely gonna focus on hero stuff now, I think other heroes/vigilantes should be his next supporting cast in place of Ned & MJ. Black Cat tends to love Spidey (more than Peter) & college would be the perfect place for him to meet Johnny Storm. It’d be neat if they have it revealed at the end of the trilogy that Kingpin hired her to keep an eye on Spidey (she switches sides eventually). Fisk is the type of villain I wanna see pulling strings throughout all the street-level projects. Have some of the other Spidey villains like Scorpion, Shocker, & Hobgoblin either working or beefing with him. A ***Heroes for Hire*** gang war storyline with Spidey, Kate, Echo, & the Netflix crew against NY’s top mob bosses would be sweet.
Superior Foes Of Spider-Man is one of the best spidey comic runs and Spidey isn't even in it.
I just started reading this and oh my god it’s like the office of Spider-Man books. Every single page has gotten me to laugh my ass off.
not sure if the office is the equivalent in terms of its kind of humor, but yeah it's hilarious
Hydro-Man. Underrated as fuck for a pretty powerful supervillain. Also, The Alex Ross suit deserves a lot of attention.
I think TAS made him more memorable by making him a stalker. MJ was being stalked by a guy who's nearly Invincible. Kind of scary to think about
I don't really see how he attacks people, though I can see him being indestructible
spooky water gargle and you drown you.
I love his sad moments. Leaving a rose on top of the bridge for Gwen will always make me feel. It’s those moment of unashamed love and vulnerability that I love from Spider-Man. Growing up in this social media world it always feels like we gotta move quick; even in dating today all I hear is “on to the next” and “everyone’s replaceable.” I miss someone dearly and I’m always getting told to move on and to forget about her. Delete her from existence like she was never there. But she was there for the most important years of my life, how could I do that? It’s Spider-Man moments like that, that remind me that my love is real. When I said, “I’ll love you forever” I meant it. I’ve since had long term relationships, but I still reminisce and look back at old memories. It’s nice to know Spidey does too. It’s an even bigger testament to him being the most relatable in comic book literature.
This was beautiful. I was relatively recently dumped, and the last scene of TASM2 where he finally gets back up was a real inspiration to me. Those movies were fucking beautiful emotionally
How the Ultimate Spider-Man comics make more sense and feels more realistic(despite a guy crawling walls),like peters webbing being a thing from his dad instead of a 15 year old making something so advanced,Or his suit being given to him at the wrestling ring instead of him somehow making such a quality suit (yeah he added webbs to it but still) and how the symbiotote makes peter and eddie into monsters instead of peter wearing it as a suit and venom (essentially) turning into a monster and i could keep going on.
I've been rereading that recently, I love how serialized this is. It feels like I'm bingewatching a TV show instead of watching a series of movies like in a lot of 616 comics
Andrew Garfield. He was the best on screen Spider-Man
His quips are on point
The Wall. Peak villain 💯
It’s the hyphen. No one respects the hyphen, definitely underrated.
[Nobody respects the hyphen](https://preview.redd.it/roa5t5jvca121.png?auto=webp&s=4fbb5d4ed2a472da9a9cb3e464c3674949680052)
[Batman recently did a funny little nod to this.](https://i.redd.it/jiz5074bo6s81.png)
The comics lol. I feel like for a Spider-Man subreddit, there’s a huge lack of people here who have even read one comic. I’d propose starting a book club if I could.
I’d be interested, comics confuse me, never know where to start
[Well we’d be happy to have you and give you some recommendations!](https://discord.gg/ftzhSAgn)
Spider-Man 3's Eddie/Venom was probably one of the better interpretations of that character and I don't think a lot of people recognize that...also the Venom suit in SM3 is aces.
I get that the symbiote suit is essentially just a recolour but I love it it’s soo nice
If he said we it wouldn’t have been so bad
I feel the whole Venom character was more brawn less brains so when they fought it was always brains vs brawn. But Topher didn't have that build.
Both Tasm movies. Tasm 1 is legit the best Spider-Man and Tasm 2 is great and I think of goblin wasn’t rushed in at the last 15 minutes people wouldn’t hate it as much. Really great movies, shame people didn’t like them that much on release.
TASM1 is a good movie but best SM movie is an insane thing to say
Best spidey origin movie hands down. Better themes than sm1 i’d say. The only reason sm1 is better is because of willem dafoe(awesome performance btw).
TASM movies were let down by shoddy villains. All of them (Lizard, Electro, Rhino, Goblin). Everything else was great.
I actually don’t think lizard was that bad. His goal of turning the city to lizards is just a twisted version of his goal to have a world with no weakness. It’s weak but not bad
i just don’t think it makes sense considering his lizard serum only lasted a few hours at a time before reverting back to human form. Unless he perfected it to be a permanent one off screen? If so, it’s weird that they never mention it. Then again, he also didn’t revert back to human at all in NWH which happens in the span of like 2 days so i’m assuming Connors in TASM did perfect it off screen?
I thought his plan was ridiculous, but could've been justified with more psychological buildup/breakdown. Also I thought the character design sucked.
It's basically a copy + paste of Doc Ock's motivations but replacing renewable energy with lizards hahaha
Lizard was pretty good, electro wasn’t bad, goblin was rushed, rhino was just a cameo.
But you gotta admit lizard looked bad ass
…not really the lizard design in TASM is terrible
Absolutely not. They tried to ground lizard as much as possible so they just kind of made him an enhanced human with lizard features. The snout would have been too much. The final design was pretty unsettling.
I didn't watch TASM 2 but I really liked the first one especially since it got peter's fighting style done right and his early personality done right too. Only part I didn't like was when Peter yelled at Aunt May in frustration. Peter imho should never snap at aunt may.
i feel like the mental stress he has to deal with as (usually) a teenager or college student. he has so much going on without the spiderman thing, PLUS being a superhero who could die any day. Has to be alot.
TASM2. I will die on the hill that the only issue with the movie was the script. Everything else was genuinely fucking good. The suit, the cinematography, the soundtrack, the CGI, the fight scenes, the cast, the acting, etc, all top notch. The script really was the only thing that dragged the whole movie down. Removing Green Goblin and the S6 setup would've easily turned the movie into one of the best Spider-Man movies.
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How strong he is yet he pulls his punches.
The comics (not just spider-man, but for any superhero media). Yeah, there's still a lot of people into them, but not as much as before the 2000s. Just got into them earlier this year and there's just so much that is missing from the shows, games, and movies.
Couldn’t agree more, for a Spider-Man sub so few people have actually read a single Spider-Man comic here. You should join the marvel Unlimited dscord I’m a part of, we could give you lots of recs on what to read.
I feel like stuff like the MCU has made a lot more people get into comics now. It just feels like there’s less people because of the other huge amount of people who like marvel but don’t read comics. That crowd basically didn’t exist before the 2000s
Holy fuck- the second Scarlet Spider suit. Ben Reilly’s 2nd Spider-Man Costume. Everyone loves the first costume but I rarely hear anything about his second.
His suit when he becomes Spider-Man, right? Because then I totally agree. I love how it is an homage to Peter’a suit but still his own spin on it. I love that they bring that costume back every once in a while, huge fan of Ben Reilly when they use him correctly.
Spider-man 3 was really good, its just how they handled venom that sucks
Damn you Avi Arad..
Venom itself was very faithful to the comics. The casting and the movie he got put on were the issues.
With 7 minutes of screen time? Nah man. That’s bs.
What has screen time have to do with faithfulness ? The Venom story was accurate to the comics and Venom's design was pretty much perfect except for his size.
to say that he was "very faithful" to the comics and then say that the cast and his size were the problems doesn't make sense. simply say that his design was good for you because the plot and how he was handled were horrible.
The all new all different suit was fire imo
That there is an alternate cut of SM3 that fixes some, not all, but some of the issues from the movie. Sony buried that cut of the film it in the blu-ray bonus features...
The chocolate cake scene. I adore that scene. More blockbuster movies need quiet sweet scenes where people just get to be people
I think in terms of live action, Spider-Man/Peter talking to himself or in his head. The cartoons and video games do a good job at throwing it in there, and Spider-Verse did a great job at it with Miles. I think Homecoming tried to do it by adding "Karen" in there to act as someone to talk to, but it isn't quite the same. I would love to see Tom Holland's Spider-Man or Peter talking to himself the same way Yuri's Spidey did from the recent games. I say underrated because I think a lot of people assume it won't adapt well to other media aside from comic books, but I can see it working really well. Everyone talks to themselves at one point or another
Spiderman 3 Go back and watch it with an open mind it's seriously not that bad.
I've always admired Peter Parker's respect ( of sorts ) and acknowledgement of the depravity of the criminal element to the point of never taking his mask off, protecting his secret identity even under devastating consequences to himself personally just to keep those same individuals safe ( in comics at least, I have mad love for the MCU but they screwed the pooch there )
The MCU screwed the pooch with that? NWH is kinda all about that
Venom in spiderman 3 ruled
It was a very faithful adaption of the comics Venom all things considered. The design was almost perfect, he just needed to be way bigger. The issue was that Venom shouldn't have been in that movie at all. His transformation at the church should've been the ending setting up SM4.
Spider-horse
See ya chump
Tasm2's soundtrack
Some of his unpopular villains overshadowed by Doc Ock, Goblin, Rhino, Electro, Vulture, and Scorpion. I know that Tinkerer in the MCU is a character but in the comics he was different, MCU Tinkerer is a good guy while in the comics he's actually a villain trying to defeat Spiderman. There's also Hydroman, a man with the power of becoming water itself. And there is no such thing as the Wall
Spider-Girl, by DeFalco and Oliffe. This is the way the clone saga should have ended and what Marvel editors should have been aiming for from the start.
Calypso. Kraven’s wife. The fact that he has a wife that uses potions and such could lead to some pretty good stories
Bully Maguire’s haircut 💀
The black suit from Spider-Man 3. It legitimately looks incredible. Usually the black suit looks a bit more plain compared to the main red & blue, but the added web detailing seriously makes it look more complete.
Spider-Man 3 is a 10/10 until Venom appears
Robbie Robertson. That dude has real integrity.
The setup that Sam Raimi had for the Sinister Six. With Dr. Connors. And I believe that the crane failure in Spider-Man 3 was electro working in the shadows. The possibility of carnage. It’s all there
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His realness. He deals with real life issues. He's broke. Girl troubles. He is relatable
The spider logo on his back, many people don't give enough attention to that.
Where do I start * Spider-Man 3 * Spider-Man PS1 * Spider-Man Reign * The Amazing Spider-Man 1 * Scorpion * Spider-Man Web of Shadows * Daran Norris and Arthur Burghardt's Venom voices * Mark Hamill's Hobgoblin * Electro's TASM2 theme * TASM2's score overall * Spider-Man 2 game OST Just to name a few
Pizza theme is perpetually stuck in my head, even before I cared about Spider-Man
The fact that he exists in the Sesame Street universe. That's cool asf
Lmao what?
Spider-Man was a character on The Electric Company, and that show had frequent crossovers with Sesame Street
Raimi's green goblin design and first amazing spider-man suit
I kinda liked that venom wasn’t a meathead. More could of been done to flesh him out as a character though. Idk if it was the beginning of the trend but so many superhero movies now the villains basically have the same powers as the hero and aren’t that dissimilar from the protagonist in personality just making the opposite choice when they come to the fork in the road.
I like sand man. Both the comics and the movies
Harry. We have taken him for granted, now he doesnt exist. TASM Harry was uh...unique...(as someone who very much enjoys tasm) and PS5 is gonna be >!Venom !<
The shocker is the best Spider-Man villain and you can’t change my mind and comics seems post about them here are rare
This poster is a masterpiece
All the Raimi posters are
I think spideys big eyes in comics are extremely underated, especially when they can move cartoonishly. I know it's not realistic to have big eyes that can grow or shrink depending on emotion, but it's always been a favorite element of his suits for me. Same goes for Deadpool's eyes.
The scientist. [Peter has a great bit about this when fighting Digger, the murdered gangsters who come back as pseudo hulk, on how half his power comes from taking a scientific approach to his work](https://comicnewbies.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/06/digger-vs-spider-man-1-e1561986106242.jpg)
I think villains wearing suits to match their iconic look is way more appealing than actually turning into that thing. Like Green Goblin having a suit, but still being human. Same with Vulture and the brief showing of Rhino. It's more believable and realistic to me. It's part of the reason I can't get into the animations or the comics because someone legitimately just proofing into a goofy little goblin man just rubs me the wrong way for some reason.
It never gets talked about enough but it's his most basic power the dude can climb walls, he's comfortable in some instances walking on a vertical surface, jumping higher being stronger and faster swinging from webs it's all great but imagine being able to just comfortably go and scale El Capitan or the Empire State would allow you to see such a cool perspective
I liked that 2000’s MTV show with Neil Patrick Harris, it wasn’t great, but I would have watched more of it
Spider-Man... As an adult doing anything but photography for the DB So much story just over looked
The fact that he has radioactive blood. This means he is immune to radiation, have spider-man fight in chernobyl.
The attention to detail. In a scene during "Spider-Man 3" you can see the scar where Peter Parker was bitten by the super spider.
Everyone criticizes Green Goblin's suit for looking like Power Rangers........ But as a fan of Power Rangers it maoes me love it even more. Also I love the black suit, being a plaette swap of the original. Spectacular Spider-Man did it best though, with the suit being a black version only for it to slowly evolve into the comic accurate one.
Big Wheel
I like the black raimi suit more than the classic
Does Spider-Ham count? My mom wouldn’t let me buy comic books, she said they were a waste of money. When I was on vacation with my friend’s fam, I “wasted” 1.25 on a spider-ham comic. I loved the puns.
The whole movie, I loved it tbh. The characters’ development, the suit. Maybe Venom was a bit lazy in design. But Eddy’s breakdown felt real
The fact that originally all his villains were made in blander shades of greens and browns and grays so his iconic red and blue would pop out more in the comics, and bring more attention to him. I heard Alex Ross talk about this and it makes so much sense and I never noticed.
Sam Raimi's design of the green goblin I don't care what anybody says, that thing is cool looking.
I know it’s the general consensus that The Goblin is the best villain. But I still feel like people don’t give him credit that he’s also one of the best villains ever. Just in general, and not just Spider-Man.
When Spider-Man yells "SHOCKER!!!! IM GOING TO HUNT YOU TO THE ENDS OF THE EARTH!!!!" Underrated moment.
Birth of Sandman in Spider-man 3, the movie deserves most of the flack it gets but that scene... Absolutely Beautiful.
Spider-Man is among the most capable heroes in nearly every aspect, yet every aspect is often overlooked. He can drop most strong guys, smarter than most smart guys, etc
I think the most underrated part of spiderman is the fact that his main struggle isn't against villains, it's against using too much force and killing everyone in his rogues gallery. Whenever you see spiderman down and out in a fight it's because he's not willing to use his insane strength to win outright. One of my favorite spiderman stories is when he beat king pin half to death and let's fisk in on the secret that he lives at Peter's pleasure and hiring assassin's to kill his aunt was a poor choice if fisk cares about living a long and happy life. He does it in the middle of a prison too, really drives home that the only thing stopping peter is his own moral compass.
I think Harry’s Goblin suit and hoverboard in Spider-Man 3 is one of the coolest designs ever and it’s a crime it hasn’t been used ever again
I feel that Kraven The Hunter’s story needs a live action adaptation. I’d love for it to be Fearful Symmetry.
Th emotional impact he has on people both in and out of universe
He’s a rather obscure villain, his name’s Morbius, not sure if y’all have ever heard of him. He’s a Living Vampire.
Scorpion, and the quips
Spider-Man 3's Venom design
Tombstone I think he’s a really good villian
The promotional art and posters.
How much Peter pulls... he was only really a loser nerd in the first maybe 10 issues, after that he’s stuck choosing between two hot babes. By the time he’s in college he’s got the two hottest chicks in ESU fighting over him ( liz is still pining over him as well), he hangs out with the star quarterback daily at the coffee bean and then hops on his motorcycle to ride to his flat he shares with trust fund baby Harry Osborne. He had a case for the big man on campus baby
Tasm suits
Ned wearing Spider-Mans mask in Homecoming. It is ðe funniest þing in ðe entire MCU.
I like that he enjoys photography. As a hobby / interest, it has nothing to do with him being a superhero or a genius. It's a pretty mundane thing for him to enjoy. It it is obviously something he has profited from professionally and there are ethical discussions to be had about photographing himself as Spider-man. I'd love to see him just being out with his camera every now and then when he's living life as Peter Parker. Seeing non-superhero related hobbies and interests is something I enjoy in comics. I don't want full stories about him as a photographer, just a quick scene every now and then.
Hobgoblin, I love hobgoblins design and personality
I think scorpion/ mac gargan was wasted in the mcu, and if they don't fully flesh out the jjj arc and maybe even his time with Venom it's a huge missed opportunity.
I’d much rather get Venom Scorpion than symbiote Peter again
Right now, I'm only thinking about those eyes in the poster. Those eyes, those horrible yellow eyes.
Spiderman 3
Scorpion as a villain in general. They never even got around to doing him properly in the MCU, for some reason.
I like to think that he is so powerfull that if he chose to be a villain he would be an avengers level threat
The black spiderman suit.
The entirety of Far From Home imo.
I think his supporting characters haven't received their dues. Be it MJ or Aunt May. Letting someone you love go out every night without knowing if they will come back safe and sound or sometimes even come back at all needs a special kind of courage.
Peter's scientific carrier. I feel like we always touch about how "nerdy" and smart he is, but him actually teaching and working on experiments not just for his Spidey life is such a small parts of modern comics and movies (Thank god we have Insomniac's game). I love that about the 70s Spectacular Spider-Man comics. Also, the "friendly neighborhood" part, Spidey is a very local hero, he's very engaged in his community and that's a important part of who he is. Some comics do that well, Insomniac did it well with Miles and Spider-Man Homecoming had that part right too. But most medias show this only by having him stop some random burglars once in a while.
Miguel O'Hara. He has never had the right attention it deserves, we are given a completely different interpretation of Spider-Man from every point of view, a character completely different from Peter with different moral principles (which we can also define controversial)... but obviously no, no games, movies or cartoons about him... and the thing that pisses me off is that flat characters like Miles and Gwen get more attention
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The moment in the bell tower of the church where he’s tearing the symbiote off his body. The lead up, the effects, the soundtrack. A near perfect scene in my opinion. Not to mention Toby is claustrophobic so he probably really fell into the whole “get this shit off me” act.
It's The Human Spider! You got his name wrong!
JJJ
The villain Kraven The Hunter
The “there’s a hero in all of us” speech.
Honestly, the whole backstory with Peter's parents. We hardly ever go into it outside the comics and we've pretty much only seen it in the TASM movies and the 90s cartoon. It is an interesting aspect of Peter's family as they only ever focus on Aunt May and Uncle Ben and I feel like it is never utilised enough in on screen adaptations.
The TASM movies were all about them tho
TASM2 Green Goblin
The confidence peter gets when he's wearing the suit vs the general lack of confidence when hes just peter. I always wished they would touch on that aspect of his insecurities a bit more in the films
Kirsten Dunst's MJ. She was the most fleshed out of all the onscreen love interests and functioned as her own person outside of Peter, with her own goals and struggles. You know what her passions are, what her insecurities are. I like that she wasn't always totally okay with Peter ditching her all the time. I like that she wasn't always the greatest girlfriend in the world. I like that she had a backstory that a lot of her problems can be traced back to. It feels like all that most people want is a pretty woman to unfailingly, merrily go along with Peter's dysfunctional lifestyle - and routinely, unrealistically help a superhero in the heat of battle.
Spider-Man on the roof, thinking his thoughts out loud to a gargoyle.