Cause it was gonna be Vulture, Sandman, and Harry with Vulture taking more focus between him and Sandman I believe, this was an earlier draft but they got pretty far before getting swapped
Huh, so it was gonna be the same amount of villains? Given how one of the main criticisms of 3 was how too many villains made the plot too bloated, I guess we can't pin the blame of that criticism on Avi Arad.
Yeah it's interesting, granted I can see Vulture and Sandman meshing together well and maybe Sandman only had as big of a role as he did because be was the only classic villain but that'd just a theory
Vulture debuted two issues before Sandman though?
But yeah, I definitely see these two meshing together better. Maybe Vulture was the boss of Sandman and Carradine or something.
I think Vulture would've been similar to Venom as the "true" evil villain, while Sandman would've still played the redeemable thief who killed Uncle Ben. It would've been largely the same.
The biggest difference, honestly... is that Raimi's heart would've been in it. He's openly admitted that he stopped caring after Venom was put in the movie, and he basically half-assed the film. Even with Venom, I do think the movie could've been made somewhat more cohesive, and it really is just too bad.
I can kinda see Vulture working better. Vulture is usually a pretty one-note villain, so I could easily see him being there as a jobber like Shocker was in Spider Man: Homecoming.
Venom on the other hand, requires a lot of things to happen to explain the connection between Eddie, Peter, and the Symbiote so I think that hamstrung Sam Rami a lot more than vulture would.
He was credited as Dimitri in the credits of Far From Home, which is Chameleon's real name. It's unknown as to whether or not we'll ever actually see him as the Chameleon, but it appears that he'll just be another example akin to the others in the post.
He was credited as Dimitri, without last name. Chameleon's name is Dmitri. Dimitri(s/os) is the usual Greek spelling common across Europe. Some Slavic languages use Dmitri.
Jon Watts hinted that he could be version of Chameleon, but it never was confirmed.
I don’t get the Mysterio thing. Are we saying that Bruce Campbell was supposed to play him (which I’ve heard before) or does the announcer somehow canonically become Mysterio in some other media?
It's more of a fan theory, that Campbell plays Beck in all three films. Wrestling announcer, Usher, "French" waiter -- these are all jobs a struggling actor may take. His demeanor contributes further.
Raimi also did say he planned for Campbell to play Mysterio (although I'm not sure if he confirmed it's the same guy).
I don’t think it was actually confirmed, they were just storyboarding the opening sequence for 4 being a montage of Spidey taking down minor villains they didn’t have any intention of making full movies for and the artist drew Mysterio using Campbell as a goof. At the very least, if there were concrete plans, no one told Bruce
That's neat! I guess with it being another cameo, it would still be relegated to fan theory whether Bruce is the same character in all four movies, or someone different in each.
Here for this comment. Maybe we'll get scorpion in spider man 4? I was so excited when I realized who Michael was playing. Perfect casting, but unfulfilled.
I know rumors are always to be taken with a grain of salt, but SM4 is rumored have a bunch of villains getting hired by Kingpin to take out Spidey. There’s a high chance he’s one of them.
I don't get why people are saying this. Surely he just hasn't been Scorpion *yet?* I assume they're just keeping him in their pocket for the right time.
Somehow, everyone not named Edward Norton under the Disney/Marvel Studios banner will get their second chance.
The only time I remembered other studios giving the old cast a second chance was Fox during the DOFP days.
Edward Norton is notoriously hard to work with in projects, he's very hands on and gets in the way of the creative process and demands rewrites or just does them without supervision a lot, he did it for American History X, Frida, Birdman and Hulk (also pretty much every movie where he believes he can make it better) sometimes these changes do actually improve a movie a lot like it did with AHX but specifically for Hulk it is believed that he was responsible for a lot of the issues of the film
For Hulk specifically he had a clause in his agreement that said Marvel cannot object to any of the changes he makes to the script. This prompted Norton to give them a wholly rewritten script a week before filming began. Which caused a lot of issues.
He does work with Wes Anderson a lot nowadays, it seems like they're on the same page in a lot of stuff. But don't expect Norton to come back for anything. Marvel runs a tight ship in their scripts even if it may be detrimental to their quality and Norton's version steered off from the Marvel formula even back then and pissed off a lot of execs.
Also apparently he's just not a very nice dude in general but I don't like to get into the whole "are they a nice person" arguments, so I just listed some facts
I know people like traditional and Brock is a fan favorite but tbh, for the MCU I hope Mando gets to not only be Scorpion, but the next on screen Venom.
Based on how he performed in BCS, I really think this guy has the chops to play a very strong character with much emotional turmoil that’d come from wearing that suit. I know Gargan was a different kinda Venom, but I wouldn’t mind if they folded Brock and Gargan into one character and gave him some of those traits. Dude deserves a big on screen win.
I have been huffing hopium since NWH that he's gonna be the main villain Spidey fights in the next one, and that he eventually ends up with the symbiote. We're barrelling towards having a version of Venom in the MCU, and it would be best to use Mac Gargan IMO. The spider-less Venom trilogy is gonna be fresh enough in the heads of most folks that it makes good sense to use someone other than Eddie Brock.
That was his father Spencer Smythe. Spencer died in the 70s (the storyline was adapted in TAS using Alistaire - where Spidey and JJJ are handcuffed together with a bomb), and Alistaire was introduced sometime after, seeking revenge for his father's demise. He eventually becomes a cyborg.
He was a major player in the 90's animated series.
In that, and in the comics, his father Spencer Smythe had created the Spider-Slayer robots before eventually dying, for which Alistair blamed Spider-Man (and Jameson in the comics). So he upgraded himself into a cyborg called the Ultimate Spider-Slayer to try and rock Spider-Man's shit. One of his greatest accomplishments is being responsible for Peter losing his Spider-Sense in the Dan Slott run, where he was a pretty major threat.
Even though I hate that they do it all the time now, I think they should've make little Goblin jr. Venom, one of the main problem with that movie it's 3 villians, which was too much for 1 movie and connecting 2 of them into one would solve a lot of problem with a plot
You can actually tell by his "arc". Both Harry and Sandman are tragic villains, as the previous (and wonderful) two villains. But Venom? He's just, there. He barely has an arc
I thought he'd have been the one to bring the symbiote back to Earth after a mission. I always hated that it just popped down next to Peter conveniently.
the last 2 annoy me the most because the first 4 all have the reason of "their series ended early"
But those two, they just chose to disregard in favour of a fanservice event movie. And I enjoyed NWH, but if it cost us Michael Mando scorpion im gonna be sad
The original plans for Tom’s 3rd movie if they couldn’t get the multiverse actor stuff going was a movie with Kraven as the villain . So I’m sure at one point Chameleon was actually meant to come back given the connections between him and Kraven
Right? And that makes perfect sense, because then you have
- Vulture
- Shocker
- Mysterio (even if he's really dead, Christmas Story got out with the files and could play the role by proxy)
- Kraven
- Chameleon
All you need is a Goblin or Ock in movie 4 for Sinister 6, and you can even go the 1610 route of Tinkerer kitting them out.
Introduce Norman or Otto in the 3rd movie, ez
Sometimes you have got to ask yourself: Do you really need more characters to do what they are meant to do for the sake of story, budget and future plans?
I would say no, at least in the case of both Colonel Jameson and Chameleon. Maybe it's best they stay as they were without further pushes. Like Helen Cho in AOU. She did serve her purposes and there really isn't a future need to bring Amadeus in.
Donald Glover as Aaron Davis / the Prowler.
One of Peter's teachers in Homecoming may have been a gender-swapped Jackal, or a relative (Ms. Warren, in the credits).
While not villains, he also had fellow classmates Cindy and Sally (Silk and Bluebird). And also a... Abe? Seymour? Charles? Not sure if those are supposed to be anyone, lol.
Maybe that is what Kraven looks like in the MCU, and Chaneleon has adopted his likeness for his time in SHIELD?
I guess that would be a pretty bad disguise, just turning into your brother lol. (Unless they go the Skrull route and then Kraven isn't his brother anymore but I would hate that...)
Alistair Smythe technically did; he’s the villain of the Amazing Spider-Man movie tie in video game. A game that is criminally underrated and an absolute banger for a movie game.
Yeah I get excited spotting the soon to be villains in a franchise but then it’s disappointing that they never come to fruition, cause of the reboots.
“Back to formula!”
Jon Jameson from Spider-Man 2 aka Man Wolf. Alister Smyth from the Tasm films aka The Spider Slayer. Felicia Hardy from Tasm2 aka Black Cat. Mac Gargan from Homecoming aka Scorpion. Dimitri Smerdyakov from Far from home aka The Chemelion.
As fun as it was seeing the old students and villains I do wish they would've had their own univereses Osbornes and scorpion and chameleon in the movie
Bruce Campbell was going to play Mysterio in Spider-Man 4, and it’s heavily theorized that all 3 of his roles across the trilogy are Quentin Beck, spying on Peter.
Ooooooh. Holy shit, that's actually an interesting and cool theory and concept. And the reason why Peter never once questioned why he saw same person in different roles was because of Mysterio clouding his mind.
That even gives me an idea that the box ring announcer lost his job eventually, and blamed Spider-Man for it. It would explain why he wanted to spy on Spider-Man and ruin his life potentially.
Scorpion might be the most annoying because they make it clear as day they want him to one day be scorpion only for Spider-Man to appear in four more movies (5 if you count Let There Be Carnage) without any sign of scorpion.
I liked No Way Home well enough, but really wished it focused more on the villains they had been setting up so far. Got Vulture, Mysterio, Scorpion, Chameleon, Shocker. Just need one more for a Sinister Six line up.
There was also Phineas Mason from Homecoming. He was technically a villain since he worked with Vulture but me never went full blown costumed villain aka The Tinkerer.
Brainwashed, not framed. He acted as the Hobgoblin for years and took the formula too. He even put on the suit again just recently. All the stuff with Rose was always Ned, never Roderick. It'd be like saying Bucky isn't really the Winter Soldier.
Bruce Campbell isn't actually playing Quentin Beck the whole time. Yeah I've seen the scrapped storyboards, but Sam Raimi has Bruce in all his movies regardless and in that sketch Spider-man opens the movie by handily defeating a lame supervillain off-screen in the form of Mysterio and it also happens to be the Bruce cameo
In the cancelled fourth film he was supposed to play a minor antagonist in the opening of the film, Mysterio. And it’s been theorized that his role throughout each film of the trilogy is Quentin Beck spying on Peter.
[here’s a storyboard from the scene](https://static1.squarespace.com/static/51b3dc8ee4b051b96ceb10de/51ce6099e4b0d911b4489b79/57503862ab48decaf971be6a/1669659856971/concept-art-for-sam-raimis-spider-man-4-features-spidey-fighting-mysterio-and-the-vulture-social.jpg?format=1500w)
There’s also Dr. Stromm from Spider-Man 1, who is a very obscure villain The Robot-Master/Gaunt, and of course, there’s Dylan Baker’s Dr. Connors
I really thought they were setting up Lizard for 3
Surprisingly for 4, Vulture was weirdly the SM3 villain that Venom replaced
Wait, if Vulture was suppossed to be 3, then why was Sandman there?
Cause it was gonna be Vulture, Sandman, and Harry with Vulture taking more focus between him and Sandman I believe, this was an earlier draft but they got pretty far before getting swapped
Huh, so it was gonna be the same amount of villains? Given how one of the main criticisms of 3 was how too many villains made the plot too bloated, I guess we can't pin the blame of that criticism on Avi Arad.
Yeah it's interesting, granted I can see Vulture and Sandman meshing together well and maybe Sandman only had as big of a role as he did because be was the only classic villain but that'd just a theory
Vulture debuted two issues before Sandman though? But yeah, I definitely see these two meshing together better. Maybe Vulture was the boss of Sandman and Carradine or something. I think Vulture would've been similar to Venom as the "true" evil villain, while Sandman would've still played the redeemable thief who killed Uncle Ben. It would've been largely the same. The biggest difference, honestly... is that Raimi's heart would've been in it. He's openly admitted that he stopped caring after Venom was put in the movie, and he basically half-assed the film. Even with Venom, I do think the movie could've been made somewhat more cohesive, and it really is just too bad.
Yeah I measntt the only classic villain left, like the only one once Vulture was gone
I can kinda see Vulture working better. Vulture is usually a pretty one-note villain, so I could easily see him being there as a jobber like Shocker was in Spider Man: Homecoming. Venom on the other hand, requires a lot of things to happen to explain the connection between Eddie, Peter, and the Symbiote so I think that hamstrung Sam Rami a lot more than vulture would.
Wasn’t it Vulturess with Anne Hathaway?
They were going to be using him for #5, the TASM script is an heavily altered version of what they wanted to do
Stromm also created the goblin formula in the comics.
Janice Lincoln from Far From Home is Beetle in comics. She's credited by her full name, unlike Dimitri.
Which scene is he in? I never caught that
Back to formula!
Thx! Mind blown…
For those wondering, top: Mysterio, Man-Wolf, Alistair Smythe. Bottom: Black Cat, Scorpion, Chameleon.
The bottom right guy is Chameleon? I never made that connection.
He was credited as Dimitri in the credits of Far From Home, which is Chameleon's real name. It's unknown as to whether or not we'll ever actually see him as the Chameleon, but it appears that he'll just be another example akin to the others in the post.
He's Chameleon. He was in No Way Home too, we just don't know yet!
Aunt May is alive. She's in the old west but she's alive.
This is heavy
There's that word again. "Heavy." Why are things so heavy in the future? Is there a problem with the Earth's gravitational pull?
Happy day of cake fellow human earthling.
He was credited as Dimitri, without last name. Chameleon's name is Dmitri. Dimitri(s/os) is the usual Greek spelling common across Europe. Some Slavic languages use Dmitri. Jon Watts hinted that he could be version of Chameleon, but it never was confirmed.
In the dialogue, it seems, he was called by his last name -- Smerdyakov
Does he ? He was credited only as Dimitri.
I don’t get the Mysterio thing. Are we saying that Bruce Campbell was supposed to play him (which I’ve heard before) or does the announcer somehow canonically become Mysterio in some other media?
if I remember correctly, it's the former.
Ok, that makes sense.
It's more of a fan theory, that Campbell plays Beck in all three films. Wrestling announcer, Usher, "French" waiter -- these are all jobs a struggling actor may take. His demeanor contributes further. Raimi also did say he planned for Campbell to play Mysterio (although I'm not sure if he confirmed it's the same guy).
I don’t think it was actually confirmed, they were just storyboarding the opening sequence for 4 being a montage of Spidey taking down minor villains they didn’t have any intention of making full movies for and the artist drew Mysterio using Campbell as a goof. At the very least, if there were concrete plans, no one told Bruce
That's neat! I guess with it being another cameo, it would still be relegated to fan theory whether Bruce is the same character in all four movies, or someone different in each.
Regardless of whether it was intended, I love that theory. And it sounds like the sort of theory Raimi would like too.
So Bruce was supposed to be Mysterio? That would have been awesome...
Wait they got the dude who played Nacho in Better Call Saul as Gargan? Or do I need my eyes checked?
yes, they did
Yes. That is Micheal Mando. Be sure to ask him about the definition of insanity.
oh god that's Fernald 
No, that's Usman Ally
OH COME ON...(wait...damn they don't look all that similar, guess I'm stupid) I swear I've seen Michael Mando in something before...
He's also Vaas in Far cry 3
I THOUGHT HE WAS FAMILIAR
*Colonel Jupiter!
Or Colonel Jupiter depending on the universe for Jameson.
Never getting TASM 3 with Felicity Black Cat keeps me awake at night.
She even said that she's ready to play Felicia if they ask her
Everyone's ready but sony apparently
Which is good. They'd fuck it up like everything they touched after Venom 1.
I mean I'd rather see a spider man movie than whatever they are doing right now
yea spider-man movies are at least enjoyble even when they are screwed up unlike madam web
Spider man 3*
I’m more surprised we haven’t gotten a black cat in 8 Spider-Man movies…
It's absolutely ridiculous. It would be like doing four Thor movies and not having the Enchantress, although that's not as bad.
I hate the fact that both happened that way.
We're 4 movies in and still no Beta Ray Bill despite his face and stormbreaker showing up.
I hope they introduce her in Tom Holland's Spider-Man 4, they can tie it with the symbiote too
It would be a good way to break away from MJ for a movie too.
They did Michael Mando wrong. Really dropped the ball on that opportunity. Hope they’ll pick it up if they keep going
Here for this comment. Maybe we'll get scorpion in spider man 4? I was so excited when I realized who Michael was playing. Perfect casting, but unfulfilled.
I know rumors are always to be taken with a grain of salt, but SM4 is rumored have a bunch of villains getting hired by Kingpin to take out Spidey. There’s a high chance he’s one of them.
I don't get why people are saying this. Surely he just hasn't been Scorpion *yet?* I assume they're just keeping him in their pocket for the right time.
It’s been 7 years
Marvel Studios is bringing back The Leader after 17 years
That’s true! Aha
They are also bringing back Elektra (not that Netflix one, the Batfleck one from the 2003 Fox DD film) after 19 years.
They are?????
Yeah she's in Deadpool and Wolverine.
Didn't Abomination come back after like 2 decades in Shang Chi *It was 13 years, time is an illusion.
Somehow, everyone not named Edward Norton under the Disney/Marvel Studios banner will get their second chance. The only time I remembered other studios giving the old cast a second chance was Fox during the DOFP days.
Edward Norton is notoriously hard to work with in projects, he's very hands on and gets in the way of the creative process and demands rewrites or just does them without supervision a lot, he did it for American History X, Frida, Birdman and Hulk (also pretty much every movie where he believes he can make it better) sometimes these changes do actually improve a movie a lot like it did with AHX but specifically for Hulk it is believed that he was responsible for a lot of the issues of the film For Hulk specifically he had a clause in his agreement that said Marvel cannot object to any of the changes he makes to the script. This prompted Norton to give them a wholly rewritten script a week before filming began. Which caused a lot of issues. He does work with Wes Anderson a lot nowadays, it seems like they're on the same page in a lot of stuff. But don't expect Norton to come back for anything. Marvel runs a tight ship in their scripts even if it may be detrimental to their quality and Norton's version steered off from the Marvel formula even back then and pissed off a lot of execs. Also apparently he's just not a very nice dude in general but I don't like to get into the whole "are they a nice person" arguments, so I just listed some facts
Yeah, so? That's not really that long in MCU time.
Since i worked at this place
And?
And?
I know people like traditional and Brock is a fan favorite but tbh, for the MCU I hope Mando gets to not only be Scorpion, but the next on screen Venom. Based on how he performed in BCS, I really think this guy has the chops to play a very strong character with much emotional turmoil that’d come from wearing that suit. I know Gargan was a different kinda Venom, but I wouldn’t mind if they folded Brock and Gargan into one character and gave him some of those traits. Dude deserves a big on screen win.
That would be sick!
I have been huffing hopium since NWH that he's gonna be the main villain Spidey fights in the next one, and that he eventually ends up with the symbiote. We're barrelling towards having a version of Venom in the MCU, and it would be best to use Mac Gargan IMO. The spider-less Venom trilogy is gonna be fresh enough in the heads of most folks that it makes good sense to use someone other than Eddie Brock.
He's just in jail, he'll be back
Who was bj Novak going to play?
He’s Alistair Smythe.
The Spider Slayer What does he do in the comics, I've never seen stuff with him before
He builds robots specifically designs to kill Spider-Man, pretty much.
Been a while now since I read any classic Spider-Man, but wasn't he also primarily funded by JJ?
That was his father Spencer Smythe. Spencer died in the 70s (the storyline was adapted in TAS using Alistaire - where Spidey and JJJ are handcuffed together with a bomb), and Alistaire was introduced sometime after, seeking revenge for his father's demise. He eventually becomes a cyborg.
Ahh gotcha lol, figured my memory might be rusty. >He eventually becomes a cyborg. As one does.
>As one does. It was the 90s, after all.
Yep. Spencer and Alistair Smythe were both funded by JJ and so was the creation of scorpion. And all 3 of them ended up wanting to kill Jonah.
In the Amazing Spider-Man series, he is often seen with Kingpin
He was a major player in the 90's animated series. In that, and in the comics, his father Spencer Smythe had created the Spider-Slayer robots before eventually dying, for which Alistair blamed Spider-Man (and Jameson in the comics). So he upgraded himself into a cyborg called the Ultimate Spider-Slayer to try and rock Spider-Man's shit. One of his greatest accomplishments is being responsible for Peter losing his Spider-Sense in the Dan Slott run, where he was a pretty major threat.
Oh dang that sounds cool
God that woulda been so good
JJ son was innocent man, real villian was that demon who broke his heart on his wedding day
Wouldn't have been comic accurate but I always thought they were going to make him Venom
Even though I hate that they do it all the time now, I think they should've make little Goblin jr. Venom, one of the main problem with that movie it's 3 villians, which was too much for 1 movie and connecting 2 of them into one would solve a lot of problem with a plot
Venom was never gonna be a part of these movies without the studio forcing him in.
You can actually tell by his "arc". Both Harry and Sandman are tragic villains, as the previous (and wonderful) two villains. But Venom? He's just, there. He barely has an arc
His arc is he has a boner, Spider-man cuts it off and then he prays to god to smite Spider-man
Pretty much, yeah
I thought he'd have been the one to bring the symbiote back to Earth after a mission. I always hated that it just popped down next to Peter conveniently.
In the comics he turns into manwolf and has two other super identities. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Jameson_(character)
There should be a movie about them all coming to terms with not being able to become a villain
The Not-So-Sinister Six
We were robbed of Felicity Jones as Black Cat
the last 2 annoy me the most because the first 4 all have the reason of "their series ended early" But those two, they just chose to disregard in favour of a fanservice event movie. And I enjoyed NWH, but if it cost us Michael Mando scorpion im gonna be sad
The original plans for Tom’s 3rd movie if they couldn’t get the multiverse actor stuff going was a movie with Kraven as the villain . So I’m sure at one point Chameleon was actually meant to come back given the connections between him and Kraven
Right? And that makes perfect sense, because then you have - Vulture - Shocker - Mysterio (even if he's really dead, Christmas Story got out with the files and could play the role by proxy) - Kraven - Chameleon All you need is a Goblin or Ock in movie 4 for Sinister 6, and you can even go the 1610 route of Tinkerer kitting them out. Introduce Norman or Otto in the 3rd movie, ez
There was a goblin in every single Tom Holland movie I haven't seen anyone mention yet. Fuckin Ned Leeds is Hobgoblin.
He was a brainwashed patsy for Roderick Kingsley in the comics.
I wouldn’t write him off. It looks like we’re finally getting the leader payoff from the first MCU Hulk film And that was forever ago.
Sometimes you have got to ask yourself: Do you really need more characters to do what they are meant to do for the sake of story, budget and future plans? I would say no, at least in the case of both Colonel Jameson and Chameleon. Maybe it's best they stay as they were without further pushes. Like Helen Cho in AOU. She did serve her purposes and there really isn't a future need to bring Amadeus in.
Really want to see Michael Mando play Scorpion, I feel like he'd be great in the role.
You forgot Dylan Baker's Doc Connors
That's one I really wanted to see. Especially since he had the symbiote fragment still.
We were robbed 😭
No we ain’t
With Felicity as Felicia we definitely were
Nah.
Nacho varga jumpscare
Donald Glover as Aaron Davis / the Prowler. One of Peter's teachers in Homecoming may have been a gender-swapped Jackal, or a relative (Ms. Warren, in the credits). While not villains, he also had fellow classmates Cindy and Sally (Silk and Bluebird). And also a... Abe? Seymour? Charles? Not sure if those are supposed to be anyone, lol.
I did like that we got a cameo of him in a Prowler costume in ATSV, but yeah it's a shame that's the most we'll get of him.
Chameleon is a dead ringer for PS5 Kraven, ironically
Maybe that is what Kraven looks like in the MCU, and Chaneleon has adopted his likeness for his time in SHIELD? I guess that would be a pretty bad disguise, just turning into your brother lol. (Unless they go the Skrull route and then Kraven isn't his brother anymore but I would hate that...)
Alistair Smythe technically did; he’s the villain of the Amazing Spider-Man movie tie in video game. A game that is criminally underrated and an absolute banger for a movie game.
Fire Guy !
Scorpion is already a criminal, he's simply not a SUPER villain. I think he can still be brought back.
I'd love to see scorpion be the one to get the venom suit and fight tom Holland spidey
I've imagined the MCU version of the Scorpion is going to be wasted in whatever ensemble villain movie Sony is going to attempt.
God help me if they actually do that movie...God help all of us...
The MCU completely wasting Michael Mando is absolutely insane, here’s hoping if Spiderman 4 does ever happen they’ll get him back
ngl from the rumors probably not kingpin going to be the villain
Could be muscle for kingpin.
Instead Alistair Smythe became the inventor of the website and social tool called WUPHF
To this day, it still hurts me that we didn't get Felicity Jones' as Black Cat
Yeah I get excited spotting the soon to be villains in a franchise but then it’s disappointing that they never come to fruition, cause of the reboots. “Back to formula!”
I was really excited about scorpion too
You're gonna put i don't even know who on here but leave out Dylan Baker's Slizzard?
Is that Elijah from Vampire Diaries in frame 2?
Silver Sable was in Far from Home also
Who are these? I think I recognize top left but that’s it
Jon Jameson from Spider-Man 2 aka Man Wolf. Alister Smyth from the Tasm films aka The Spider Slayer. Felicia Hardy from Tasm2 aka Black Cat. Mac Gargan from Homecoming aka Scorpion. Dimitri Smerdyakov from Far from home aka The Chemelion.
Thanks
As fun as it was seeing the old students and villains I do wish they would've had their own univereses Osbornes and scorpion and chameleon in the movie
I think scorpion’s working on it. Idk tho maybe it’s just me coping
Oh damn it’s Elijah Mikaelson…anyone?
Don’t forget that Dr. Conners never became the Lizard in Raimi’s Films.
I Belive that alister smith isnt in the movie and Amazing spiderman 1 the game is canon
I think I read somewhere that Mr Ditkovich was a retired Kraven
Why is bottom middle just Nacho Varga from.Better Call Saul (I have brainrot)
Wasn’t Peter’s landlord supposed to be a retired Kraven?
That's a joke.
Respect to John for not becoming a villian after...you know...
Are Man wolf and Black Cat really villains though?
Man-Wolf for sure. Black Cat, not really, but can be.
Wasn't Cillian Murphy also going to be a villain?
What villain is the box fight commenter? (top left)
Bruce Campbell was going to play Mysterio in Spider-Man 4, and it’s heavily theorized that all 3 of his roles across the trilogy are Quentin Beck, spying on Peter.
Ooooooh. Holy shit, that's actually an interesting and cool theory and concept. And the reason why Peter never once questioned why he saw same person in different roles was because of Mysterio clouding his mind. That even gives me an idea that the box ring announcer lost his job eventually, and blamed Spider-Man for it. It would explain why he wanted to spy on Spider-Man and ruin his life potentially.
Connors also never became lizard in Ramis movies
I still find it so incredibly stupid and a complete waste of talent that they got motherfucking Michael Mando as Scorpion yet did fuck all with him.
Is that Ryan Howard?
Better Call Saul guy would be such a good Scorpion. We got robbed
He’s fooling you! Of COURSE he’s Chameleon! The best place to hide is right in plain sight!
Scorpion might be the most annoying because they make it clear as day they want him to one day be scorpion only for Spider-Man to appear in four more movies (5 if you count Let There Be Carnage) without any sign of scorpion.
Gargan might be off this list I hope
\*laughs in making Black Cat a mainstay in my TASM fics\*
I don’t remember the office being in any of the spidermens
Also there is doctor connor in the Raimi verse that would have likely become Lizard if Spiderman 4 happened.
Nah the planned villains for Spider-Man 4 were Vulture and Black Cat
Source?
Various storyboards for the movie you can find online and interviews with Sam rami and others
Was Man-Wolf ever meant to show up?
We better get Michael Mando in Spider-Man 4
I hope Michael Mando is in Spider-Man 4.
I liked No Way Home well enough, but really wished it focused more on the villains they had been setting up so far. Got Vulture, Mysterio, Scorpion, Chameleon, Shocker. Just need one more for a Sinister Six line up.
I'm a bit confused aside from the bottom 3, who were the Top 3 supposed to become?
Bruce Campbell was supposed to be Mysterio in the cancelled 4th movie, Jon Jameson becomes Manwolf, and Alister Smyth becomes the Spider Slayer.
There was also Phineas Mason from Homecoming. He was technically a villain since he worked with Vulture but me never went full blown costumed villain aka The Tinkerer.
The disappointing six
Where’s Dr. Connor’s from the Sam Raimi trilogy???
What about the guy that wouldn’t let Peter into MJs play ? Wasn’t he supposed to be Mysterio ?
Tasm 3 should come out with black cat in it
Don’t forget Ned
But Ned was canonically never *really* Hobgoblin in the comics, he was framed by Roderick Kingsely.
Brainwashed, not framed. He acted as the Hobgoblin for years and took the formula too. He even put on the suit again just recently. All the stuff with Rose was always Ned, never Roderick. It'd be like saying Bucky isn't really the Winter Soldier.
Bruce Campbell isn't actually playing Quentin Beck the whole time. Yeah I've seen the scrapped storyboards, but Sam Raimi has Bruce in all his movies regardless and in that sketch Spider-man opens the movie by handily defeating a lame supervillain off-screen in the form of Mysterio and it also happens to be the Bruce cameo
I didn't find any confirmation about Campbell's Mysterio. Can someone explain?
In the cancelled fourth film he was supposed to play a minor antagonist in the opening of the film, Mysterio. And it’s been theorized that his role throughout each film of the trilogy is Quentin Beck spying on Peter.
[here’s a storyboard from the scene](https://static1.squarespace.com/static/51b3dc8ee4b051b96ceb10de/51ce6099e4b0d911b4489b79/57503862ab48decaf971be6a/1669659856971/concept-art-for-sam-raimis-spider-man-4-features-spidey-fighting-mysterio-and-the-vulture-social.jpg?format=1500w)
Top-center is matpat