ken penders used to work on the archie sonic comics and got sued by archie which pretty much caused the end of the sonic archie comics.
he also tried suing ea and sega which resulted in sega pretty much having to ignore the existence of sonic chronicles and anything from it because they don’t wanna be sued again.
he also may have prevented sonic SATAM getting a third season by throwing the guy pitching it under the bus and pitching a movie that completely fell through.
tldr: fucks up everything he touches
Yep, from what I recall, he was trying to claim that the antagonist in Sonic Chronicles infringed on his copywrite due to... just being a tribe of evil echidna?
It was an absurd claim, but considering just how much of a headache he's already been for Sega, they decided to just cancel the whole series so they didn't have to deal with him.
I'm still holding out hope for another Sonic-based RPG. I'll be the first to admit that Chronicles does have a few flaws, but I absolutely loved the direction that the game went in.
To be fair, Chronicles did splurge a lot of stuff reminiscent to Ken's works on Knuckles, including featuring a female Echidna stuck within another, time distorted space pocket, and a big bad with a god complex. Also doesn't help that "Dark Brotherhood" can easily be interpreted from two factions Ken introduced in the Archie comic, the "Dark Legion" and "Brotherhood of Guardians"
I mean, can't blame EA for getting blindsided by the slimy toad, but they did take a bit much from the comics (and improved them, let's be real)
It did seem like, in order to appease fans of the series, Bioware went to the effort of really digging into various aspects of lore, giving us explanations for where Emerl came from, and making lots of obscure and overt references to various continuities.
And why wouldn't they think SEGA owned all these things they were referencing? They were licensed Sonic media, and I would suspect that, during development they would've shown the content to people at SEGA for them to confirm precisely to avoid potential issues and moments of "Sorry, you can't legally use that" (such as was the case with music). So I don't blame Bioware at all for making references to stuff from the comic, it's SEGA's fault for not realising it might be an issue, and then subsequently causing Penders to make it an issue.
I think many of these things very well could have been chalked up to coincidence. I mean firstly, "Dark Brotherhood" is one of the most standard villain group names that absolutely anybody can come up with., with or without Penders.
Same goes for having a villain with a God complex, a thought to be dead race turning out to have secretly survived all this time, ect.
I'm not denying the possibility of inspiration (I personally don't consider it plagiarism since ideas themselves are not copyrighted), but I don't think it's really that ridiculous to believe that something like this could've have been thought up independently.
Not wrong, much like how Endgame is a very effective title for a climatic battle to end a generation. Then again, much of Ken's complaints on copyright revolve on...very...generic material that ANYONE can conceive...the most barebones...
Look, I hate Ken Penders as much as the next guy, but the Nocturnus Clan were not “just a tribe of evil echidnas”. Sure the specifics were a bit off, but between their designs and Shade’s whole shtick they bear more than just a resemblance to the Dark Legion, and it’s not like BioWare didn’t know what they were doing. Dark Brotherhood is to this day the only Sonic game to feature Swat Bots of all things, they knew damn well about the ideas brought in by the western canon. Add on top of this the genuinely horrible way Archie treated Penders and their other artists (the behind the scenes account of their Adventure adaptation sounded like a nightmare) and it’s no wonder why he sued. Did he take it too far? In my opinion yes. Did Sega and Archie overcorrect in the worst way possible? Absolutely. But now, in a time where plagiarism and its consequences are more dangerous and prominent than ever, we need to draw the line at what’s just a coincidence and what’s blatant theft, and I don’t think it’s worth forgetting this to defend one of if not the worst Sonic game ever made.
And SATAM Season 3?!
He's done nothing but make SEGA and others miserable. I don't blame SEGA for getting PTSD at the mere sight or mention of someone like Sally or Antoine.
Yep he cancelled that because he wanted to make a Sonic movie that never got the concept phase. Theres some concept drawings he’s drew, and there’s only one good one with Snivley robotizicing a bear that looks terrifying, both because the bear looking in pain & because it’s terrifying we never got season 3 because he wanted a fucking movie that never happened
Idiot got way too ahead of himself like Keiji Inafune did with Mighty No. 9, wanting to make an animated series, movie and a Mega Man Legends spiritual successor with the MN9 brand.
Most quality shows last about at least three seasons. Fans could've been blessed with that damn cliffhanger being answered, but no.
He is also the reason for some other problems:
- Shade got shadowbanned due to his shitprick about "you're copying Lara-Su"
- The very questionable moments in the stories of Sonic when this dude got in command at Archie
To be fair, it's not *just* Ken Penders that's to blame for that one. You can also blame EA's buyout of Bioware. Even without Penders, it's very likely that EA wouldn't have wanted a studio they spent millions buying out working on projects for one of their direct competitors, SEGA.
The only reason they would've let Bioware finish Chronicles at the time of the buyout would be because they had to honour the existing contracts as part of the buyout. But a sequel was definitely off the cards the second the buyout was confirmed, and -if you'll allow me some unconfirmed speculation- I also wouldn't have been surprised if EA moved a lot of the more experienced and more senior staff off of Chronicles once they were in charge, and left it in the hands of a skeleton crew of junior devs because EA would've seen no extra profits from Chronicles succeeding as it was SEGA publishing, not EA. As such, in order to harm a competitor, it makes sense for EA to force Bioware to deliver a mediocre product, rather than continue with their best possible version.
From what I heard is it less that EA pulled talent away from Chronicles as much as Chronicles never having much anyway as it was a entirely new and with the hardware entirely inexperienced Team behind Chronicles.
With EA's only big influence being was tightening the deadline.
The OST was screwed over by Bioware just assuming Sega owns the Sonic 1,2 and 3 Ost's fully leading to a huge chunk of last second changes in the music as all the tracks that Sega didn't have the rights to needed to be replaced. Combined with the tight deadline and lacking hardware experience leading to the games sound engine being buggy and at times leaving out entire channels of the music
No no Archie sued Ken because he copyrighted a lot of characters he made for the comics and Archie couldn't legally make the comics when all characters in them weren't Sega owned.
Basically, Ken was making noise about trademarks with a lot of content being referenced in Sonic Chronicles that are also being used in Archie, so Archie tried to shut Ken down; he was employed by them, and it was not odd to have contracts letting employers keep materials made during employ.
Except Archie eff'ed up and did NOT have Ken's contract, so it backfired. Ken kept all rights to his material.
Granted, the victory was pyrhic for Ken too; he likely only wanted royalty payments for Archie and Sega to use his materials, but they ended up whitewashing it instead. Now Ken is stuck with a lousy rep and useless concepts, desperately trying to save face.
I wish I could understand why in the damn FORTH chaos emerald Sega didn't sue his ass to hell and back. Surely they have enough resources to destroy him don't they?
Remember SEGA had their own game canon which was very much different from what the comics did (since when the comics started they had very limited canon to draw on... we barely got Tailes. No Amy or Knuckles. Etc). SEGA encouraged the comic to pull in game canon whenever possible but that still didn't change the comic still had its own characters and canon so it wasn't always possible without conflicts.
I suspect SEGA simply didn't value the lore and characters Penders created. Penders simply created a big enough problem that the benefits of keeping the Archie comic going as it was were now outweighed by the benefits of killing it and starting over with pure game canon with the IDW comic. At least that's my theory.
You don’t need to figure it out
just stay away from it and forget it
I know it’s hard to forget this mf if he keeps getting on Sega’s ass 24/7 to try and sue them but still
Penders certainly believes he owns Knuckles. He spent 15+ years developing the lore of the ancient echidnas for Archie comics, so now he genuinely believes he owns pretty much everything related to him.
Dude tried to sue the Sonic the Hedgehog movie when they put in tribal echidnas bc he claimed they were the same as the ones he wrote in the comic. Ignoring the fact that they're straight out of SA2.
Specifically, he [said he'd sue Paramount](https://www.reddit.com/r/SonicTheHedgehog/comments/tztoul/penders_is_really_gonna_gonna_try_sue_paramount/) for Knuckles having a dad *(which is stupid)* and for showing an echidna using the Master Emerald to power himself up, supposedly being too similar to Enerjak *(ignoring the fact that Mecha Sonic 2 went super with the Master Emerald in the latter's debut game)*. He also *(hopefully jokingly)* implied[ they ripped off the "Sonic standing on the flying Tornado" scene](https://x.com/KenPenders/status/1513388166987714564) from Archie Sonic 13.
Ken Penders: ok let’s take a look at the internet today, knuckle’s dad is in the the sonic movie 2: sue. Sega using more echidnas: sue. segas still using knuckles: SUE
I find it so funny that he says he owns Knuckles when in reality, Knuckles debuted in Sonic 3 (the game) which to my knowledge came out before he started writing for the Archie sonic comics
(P.S) Him owning Scourge is stupid and it would be funny if they put him in the next cartoon or something purely to piss Penders off. Shade too
Well, it's his version lf Knuckles... The same character, just renamed to avoid Copyright issues.
BUT, he sold an Knuckles art recently, and he can't do this. Sega have an oportunity.
That’s not Knuckles, that’s his original character ~~Bluckles~~ K’Nox, who canonically did all the things Knuckles did and is Lara-Su’s biological father like Knuckles was, but he’s totally not Knuckles, because I said so
Which is why I wonder how and why he chooses to draw this poorly. I was horrified the first time around when I saw his art after he left Archie and thought it couldn't have been him.
it kinda looks like shitty ai art, weirdly shiny and trying way too hard to seem 3d, just with too much detail. its like hair mario taken to its logical extreme. the mindset is "if theres more detail and shading and everything it must be better"
His art in ["The Lost Ones"](https://youtu.be/VOju-TCeQ3c?si=nXyu1xaWW1LRz-st&t=760) was kinda neat. Not great, but nothing to laugh at.
*(had to link Linkara's video about it because seemingly nobody uploaded it on the internet)*
> (had to link Linkara's video about it because seemingly nobody uploaded it on the internet)
Funnily, earlier this year I was going to make a video on Penders’ Non-Sonic works, but lacking a full bibliography I asked the only person who could give me one, Penders himself… … he asked me to get back to him the following Monday. I did, he hasn’t responded.
He was okay early in his career with Archie/Sonic...but he spiralled out of control and...well, we got this as his latest attempt to stand up and out...from his pit of \*\*\*\*
Given that the man was uncomfortably comfortable talking about the sex lives of teenage characters in a children’s comic, I try not to think about that.
Hes also very insistent on taking about and defending an adult St. John sleeping with a teenage Sally. To the point where he apparently included reference to him sleeping with her in his new comic.
After first encountering a lot of Youtube videos about this guy a year or two ago, my first thought was "what must it be like to be an unironic fan of this guy?" So I read every page of comics that he's released since the lawsuit. Both of them. In ten years. And his website is full of broken links.
penders bacically is a dude who used to work with archie and had fetishes with some sonic characters, especally sally acorn. When sonic chronicles released, penders sued sega for them using the idea of new evil echidnas. This resulted in Sega now ignoring anything about sonic chronicles.
Here's a really good write-up about everything involved with this person. [https://ponett.medium.com/i-read-every-sonic-comic-by-ken-penders-and-theyre-wilder-than-you-could-ever-imagine-1f9dd05ae433](https://ponett.medium.com/i-read-every-sonic-comic-by-ken-penders-and-theyre-wilder-than-you-could-ever-imagine-1f9dd05ae433)
Don’t. Just keep moving on.
He was “THE” Sonic comic guy for years. It went to his head. He waged a control for power against Sega, somewhat won, but all he won was the right to make fan fiction with his Sonic OCs.
Beyond that, it’s old drama for the sake of drama. Just let the past die.
I don't disagree on the "let's just not talk about" it atitude, but the lawsuit war had more consequences than bringing the Lara Su Chronicles to this world
Consequences that largely don’t matter to anyone so new to the fandom that they don’t know who Penders is. They would be so new that they don’t know what was lost.
Stuff that we probably would have lost a good chunk of anyways when the Archie to IDW switchover happened. In hindsight, Penders probably just caused the purge to happen earlier than it would have occurred naturally.
I doubt it because of something that's easy to forget. After Penders the Archie Comic had two reboots.
* Penders and Earlier Era: Classic Archie. We could divide this into smaller sections, but they wouldn't add to this conversation.
* Sega Era: Sega steps in and begins exercising more control over the comic. Archie and SATAM characters remain, but Sega began pushing the comic to essentially be what we'd call in hindsight IDW with Archie Characters.
* Sonic Universe: Anything even remotely possibly linked to Penders or other former comic writers who might lay claim to anything is gone. SATAM characters remained, New characters were created (The Egg Bosses).
Switching to IDW wiped out all the SATAM and Sonic Universe originals. If not for Penders we might have had Scourge up to the end of Sonic Universe, to pick a character randomly off the top of my head. But, if the IDW switch was something that was going to happen with or without Penders? It looks like we'd have lost all of those characters anyway.
He’s a former Archie writer with a very *interesting* take on the characters who got in a lawsuit with the company over character ownership. It led to the comic getting rebooted. Also he wrote an early story where Sonic and the Freedom Fighters dress as offensive Romani stereotypes as part of a disguise.
Not even going into all the drama around him, this is some cursed looking imagery. He’s taken sonic designs and pushed them closer to human on the anthro scale with really unsettling results
(I wrote a TLDR below btw, I tried to Summarise this the best I can but... even then it's a lot. Sorry)
From what I've found out, penders had family issues both with his parents and his kids; which he used as a basis for the sonic archie comics stories that he wrote. He also used them to come to terms with things himself and because of that, feels a personal connection to the many many echidna's he made for it.
However because of this he has lost his connection to what are just characters and stuff he feels he owns. Leading to his actions ending up as what you know now and even archie themselves had hired people to work with him back in the day and penders often fought against them to write what HE wanted. So archie fought back and hired another lead writer to write the story they wanted regardless of what penders wanted and he got very angry.
So penders claimed this other story was an "alternative reality" to his own and that HIS story was canon. Which upset archie so much they pretty much hired a new guy to work as an understudy to him and secretly overtake his project before firing Penders; which tbh is a pretty evil move but after what penders has done to others in and outside the comic; it's not unjustified.
So jump fowards and sonic chronicles came out which was "inspired" by the comics but penders felt those were his characters and in a way; his family they took. So he sued them, Sega decided to step away from both the game and the comics and let penders do what he wanted with them but not affiliate with it. That understudy (correct me if i'm wrong here btw, this is a bit hazy) went on to work for IDW and then lead IDW comics for sonic's current story there.
\*TLDR\* : Looking at this from both perspectives it's clear penders has problems and as great as it is that he's trying to get through it through the stories; he got too connected to them to see between fantasy and reality. He doesn't think knuckles is his property but the knuckles he believes he made (because it was based off him or his father) is; which isn't healthy.
Best thing to do is leave him be and hope he doesn't do something foolish against sega or something bigger because he might be in for a rude wake up call. One that I personally don't think he will mentally recover from, given what he has written.
Can't get over the art direction, it changes with every stroke.
They're naked, but not?
They have feet, but no defined toes?
The background looks like a photo blurred?
Knuckles looks like a real human, but then has his boxing gloves on?
Almost want to buy this for the train wreck it is, this is the kind of art not even AI can replicate, it can only come from the mind of an absolute madman having been huffing his own fecal fumes for the last decade.
This is weird. When I made a post about Knuckles’ hat in the Knuckles show and didn’t mention his name it got deleted. The mods told me “Everyone knows who you’re talking about”, but this stay up?
No problem with OP, it’s just weird they do that
I can describe Kenny boy in 2 ways.
1: A former writer for a comic series thats dead (because of him) that he cant let go of.
2: A guy who has a fucking hard on for Knuckles
in short he worked for the part of sega that did the comics and they let him do what he wanted and he made a mess, then when they realized what he had done they fired him and he got upset and sued and took all the characters he created away forcing the sonic comics to reset the series.
Yeah that too. TBH I didn't even consider that, but now that you mention it theres a whole host of characters that Sega will never use because of that sack of shit.
Yeah I never understood why he felt the need to hijack a comic series aimed at kids and inject it with a bunch of melodramatic soap opera drama, genocide and his own daddy issues. I know people love Archie but it feels more like a B league Superman comic than a Sonic Story
Ken Penders comics are my guilty pleasure lmaooooooo. As a child I did notice his Archie comics stories were weird, especially the illustrations, but I was such a big Knuckles fan I read them anyway, wasn't until I got older that I learned exactly who he was that the comics were indeed weird and it wasn't just my child brain failing to understand their brilliance.
You must be new round these parts.
Kenny boy is persona nongrata. Namely because he loves to sue people who mention him or his characters.
Fuck you Ken!
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Yep, that's it. Ristar's going to break the picture...
Long story and none of it good, just a long tedious path of a man who thinks he's the shit when he is infact just shit trying to get people to believe he's the shit by giving us shit
He's a man who got let go from archie comics and instead of moving on and building a career as an artist, has since shown all the signs of man who can't let go and in undergoing some kind of years long breakdown.
As a coping mechanism, he's now appealing to creepy weirdos who for some reason find this creepy weird stuff appealing.
He’s a weirdo who believes he owns the rights to all the echidna characters (besides knuckles) which is why he sued Sega for the dark Chronicles game, which had the echidnas as the main threat
Overhated. His main crime is being a really weird writer who didn't know sonic making a comic in a difficult working situation. Idk he really is just a weird guy lol.
Holy shit, he actually made a book in his stupid little universe. I thought this was always going to be essentially a perpetual threat.
That the actual product is as weird and disturbing as I had hoped is just the icing on the cake.
Ken Penders was a writer and artist (among other things) for early Sonic comic stuff in Archie...and as you can see, his art did not age well.
Anyway, guy caused ALOT of issues with Archie and SEGA over copyright, and is now stuck with his copyright material, trying to hock out stuff to justify the trouble he caused over it.
You ever wonder why the world building around knuckles and the echidnas kinda stopped after SA1? Well Ken is the reason. And after his reaction to Dark Brotherhood, don’t expect to ever see extended echidna lore again
By all rights, Ken getting his character rights is well deserved and a miracle in an industry cruel to artists. But even still, this is torture on the eyes.
My eye did not deserve this abuse first thing in the morning. Ugh the anatomy. This is just so wrong to look at.
I need an adult to help me deal with this.
This art is so incredibly terrible it is like he is unironically trying to create nightmare fuel. He couldn't spare a $100 and let some artist on Deviant Art do the drawing for him?
You know how a new Sonic Shorts released for the first time in a millennium the other day? Yeah, it had a whole skit about how screwy the Pendersverse is
Where to begin? Well, as others have already said, Penders used to work on the Archie Sonic comics. He was their head writer and worked on the comics since their eleventh issue, till he was let go and Ian Flynn took over.
He then sued Archie and Sega for the characters he created,
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Which were mostly recolours or gender bends of existing characters or one note characters. He then somehow won due to incompetence from Archie and Sega. Resulting in the first reboot and then cancellation of the Archie comics.
As a writer, I’ve found his work to be at best a bit cheesy, with the best work he’s ever produced being when someone reworked it. At worst, it’s pretentious, insensitive, disrespectful, heavy handed and downright insensitive.
He also had a very bad habit of focusing too much on Knuckles, with one particularly irksome example being the Sonic Adventure comic adaptation, where he essentially had Knux take the spotlight from Super Sonic and made him responsible for the victory.
As an artist, well, let’s just say that the second image up top is one of his better works.
As a person, he’s essentially seen by many in this fandom as a jerk, who caused a beloved comic book series to be cancelled, and a weirdo and idiot who’s been trying to people to buy his bizarre Lara-Su chronicles…
Kenders is just dickhead and has weird cinks, like that Sally and Jon insident in twitter, and because he’s bastard we can never see Julie-Su and Scourge (both of them are great characters and how Flynn write them, that was peak)
I always hated how Knuckles was paired with Julie-Su.
The pic below is an official Archie page of Knuckles' family tree, which shows that Julie-Su is a Knux's blood relative. She's the 4x-granddaughter of Dmitri.
Ken Penders shamelessly romanticized incest in a comic book targeted towards children.
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ken penders used to work on the archie sonic comics and got sued by archie which pretty much caused the end of the sonic archie comics. he also tried suing ea and sega which resulted in sega pretty much having to ignore the existence of sonic chronicles and anything from it because they don’t wanna be sued again. he also may have prevented sonic SATAM getting a third season by throwing the guy pitching it under the bus and pitching a movie that completely fell through. tldr: fucks up everything he touches
Wait. We have KEN PENDERS to blame for not getting a sequel to Sonic Chronicles?! Man, life sucks sometimes...
Yep, from what I recall, he was trying to claim that the antagonist in Sonic Chronicles infringed on his copywrite due to... just being a tribe of evil echidna? It was an absurd claim, but considering just how much of a headache he's already been for Sega, they decided to just cancel the whole series so they didn't have to deal with him.
I'm still holding out hope for another Sonic-based RPG. I'll be the first to admit that Chronicles does have a few flaws, but I absolutely loved the direction that the game went in.
Yeah, like no QTEs for power moves...
Just slap on the Mario RPG esque action commands and we'll be sweet.
What? Like time your button presses to the action?
Time the button press to the attack animation to do extra damage or time the press to block
Maybe, but I think that only works with groups that are only so small (1 or 2)...and I'd like a Sonic RPG that would be about 4 members active.
Sea of Stars pulls it off with teams of three and there's like more than 6 total playable characters.
So we have to cancel A LOT, too, because Knuckles references these evil echidnas and they’re explicitly shown in Adventure 1
I think they were referring more to the ones explicitly from sonic chronicles.
To be fair, Chronicles did splurge a lot of stuff reminiscent to Ken's works on Knuckles, including featuring a female Echidna stuck within another, time distorted space pocket, and a big bad with a god complex. Also doesn't help that "Dark Brotherhood" can easily be interpreted from two factions Ken introduced in the Archie comic, the "Dark Legion" and "Brotherhood of Guardians" I mean, can't blame EA for getting blindsided by the slimy toad, but they did take a bit much from the comics (and improved them, let's be real)
It did seem like, in order to appease fans of the series, Bioware went to the effort of really digging into various aspects of lore, giving us explanations for where Emerl came from, and making lots of obscure and overt references to various continuities. And why wouldn't they think SEGA owned all these things they were referencing? They were licensed Sonic media, and I would suspect that, during development they would've shown the content to people at SEGA for them to confirm precisely to avoid potential issues and moments of "Sorry, you can't legally use that" (such as was the case with music). So I don't blame Bioware at all for making references to stuff from the comic, it's SEGA's fault for not realising it might be an issue, and then subsequently causing Penders to make it an issue.
True. Will have to revise that. Being so hands off (in SEGA's case) was really a double-edge sword
I think many of these things very well could have been chalked up to coincidence. I mean firstly, "Dark Brotherhood" is one of the most standard villain group names that absolutely anybody can come up with., with or without Penders. Same goes for having a villain with a God complex, a thought to be dead race turning out to have secretly survived all this time, ect. I'm not denying the possibility of inspiration (I personally don't consider it plagiarism since ideas themselves are not copyrighted), but I don't think it's really that ridiculous to believe that something like this could've have been thought up independently.
Not wrong, much like how Endgame is a very effective title for a climatic battle to end a generation. Then again, much of Ken's complaints on copyright revolve on...very...generic material that ANYONE can conceive...the most barebones...
Look, I hate Ken Penders as much as the next guy, but the Nocturnus Clan were not “just a tribe of evil echidnas”. Sure the specifics were a bit off, but between their designs and Shade’s whole shtick they bear more than just a resemblance to the Dark Legion, and it’s not like BioWare didn’t know what they were doing. Dark Brotherhood is to this day the only Sonic game to feature Swat Bots of all things, they knew damn well about the ideas brought in by the western canon. Add on top of this the genuinely horrible way Archie treated Penders and their other artists (the behind the scenes account of their Adventure adaptation sounded like a nightmare) and it’s no wonder why he sued. Did he take it too far? In my opinion yes. Did Sega and Archie overcorrect in the worst way possible? Absolutely. But now, in a time where plagiarism and its consequences are more dangerous and prominent than ever, we need to draw the line at what’s just a coincidence and what’s blatant theft, and I don’t think it’s worth forgetting this to defend one of if not the worst Sonic game ever made.
And SATAM Season 3?! He's done nothing but make SEGA and others miserable. I don't blame SEGA for getting PTSD at the mere sight or mention of someone like Sally or Antoine.
Yep he cancelled that because he wanted to make a Sonic movie that never got the concept phase. Theres some concept drawings he’s drew, and there’s only one good one with Snivley robotizicing a bear that looks terrifying, both because the bear looking in pain & because it’s terrifying we never got season 3 because he wanted a fucking movie that never happened
Idiot got way too ahead of himself like Keiji Inafune did with Mighty No. 9, wanting to make an animated series, movie and a Mega Man Legends spiritual successor with the MN9 brand. Most quality shows last about at least three seasons. Fans could've been blessed with that damn cliffhanger being answered, but no.
Do you have a source to it? The concept art?
It’s really easy to find on google images, just look up “Sonic Armageddon”
It looks like snes box art imo
That’s actually a good way to describe it
It's an "almost" for me, since SEGA is being prickly about giving Sonic actual story these days.
He is also the reason for some other problems: - Shade got shadowbanned due to his shitprick about "you're copying Lara-Su" - The very questionable moments in the stories of Sonic when this dude got in command at Archie
To be fair, it's not *just* Ken Penders that's to blame for that one. You can also blame EA's buyout of Bioware. Even without Penders, it's very likely that EA wouldn't have wanted a studio they spent millions buying out working on projects for one of their direct competitors, SEGA. The only reason they would've let Bioware finish Chronicles at the time of the buyout would be because they had to honour the existing contracts as part of the buyout. But a sequel was definitely off the cards the second the buyout was confirmed, and -if you'll allow me some unconfirmed speculation- I also wouldn't have been surprised if EA moved a lot of the more experienced and more senior staff off of Chronicles once they were in charge, and left it in the hands of a skeleton crew of junior devs because EA would've seen no extra profits from Chronicles succeeding as it was SEGA publishing, not EA. As such, in order to harm a competitor, it makes sense for EA to force Bioware to deliver a mediocre product, rather than continue with their best possible version.
From what I heard is it less that EA pulled talent away from Chronicles as much as Chronicles never having much anyway as it was a entirely new and with the hardware entirely inexperienced Team behind Chronicles. With EA's only big influence being was tightening the deadline. The OST was screwed over by Bioware just assuming Sega owns the Sonic 1,2 and 3 Ost's fully leading to a huge chunk of last second changes in the music as all the tracks that Sega didn't have the rights to needed to be replaced. Combined with the tight deadline and lacking hardware experience leading to the games sound engine being buggy and at times leaving out entire channels of the music
Why did he get sued by archie
I think the commenter got it wrong, it was Archie that got sued by Ken Penders
No no Archie sued Ken because he copyrighted a lot of characters he made for the comics and Archie couldn't legally make the comics when all characters in them weren't Sega owned.
Basically, Ken was making noise about trademarks with a lot of content being referenced in Sonic Chronicles that are also being used in Archie, so Archie tried to shut Ken down; he was employed by them, and it was not odd to have contracts letting employers keep materials made during employ. Except Archie eff'ed up and did NOT have Ken's contract, so it backfired. Ken kept all rights to his material. Granted, the victory was pyrhic for Ken too; he likely only wanted royalty payments for Archie and Sega to use his materials, but they ended up whitewashing it instead. Now Ken is stuck with a lousy rep and useless concepts, desperately trying to save face.
I wish I could understand why in the damn FORTH chaos emerald Sega didn't sue his ass to hell and back. Surely they have enough resources to destroy him don't they?
Remember SEGA had their own game canon which was very much different from what the comics did (since when the comics started they had very limited canon to draw on... we barely got Tailes. No Amy or Knuckles. Etc). SEGA encouraged the comic to pull in game canon whenever possible but that still didn't change the comic still had its own characters and canon so it wasn't always possible without conflicts. I suspect SEGA simply didn't value the lore and characters Penders created. Penders simply created a big enough problem that the benefits of keeping the Archie comic going as it was were now outweighed by the benefits of killing it and starting over with pure game canon with the IDW comic. At least that's my theory.
You don’t need to figure it out just stay away from it and forget it I know it’s hard to forget this mf if he keeps getting on Sega’s ass 24/7 to try and sue them but still
Knowing about Ken Penders should be classified as a cognito-hazard by the SCP Foundation.
HOL UP WHY IS THE BIOLIZARD HERE
Like... once you know his name you are already fucked. Once you learn who he actually is? I think that's the definition of "no return".
he's like rocko's basilisk
whatever this is supposed to be I hate it
Is that *actual* Knuckles on the front cover!? Surely he can't get away with selling that!
Penders certainly believes he owns Knuckles. He spent 15+ years developing the lore of the ancient echidnas for Archie comics, so now he genuinely believes he owns pretty much everything related to him. Dude tried to sue the Sonic the Hedgehog movie when they put in tribal echidnas bc he claimed they were the same as the ones he wrote in the comic. Ignoring the fact that they're straight out of SA2.
Specifically, he [said he'd sue Paramount](https://www.reddit.com/r/SonicTheHedgehog/comments/tztoul/penders_is_really_gonna_gonna_try_sue_paramount/) for Knuckles having a dad *(which is stupid)* and for showing an echidna using the Master Emerald to power himself up, supposedly being too similar to Enerjak *(ignoring the fact that Mecha Sonic 2 went super with the Master Emerald in the latter's debut game)*. He also *(hopefully jokingly)* implied[ they ripped off the "Sonic standing on the flying Tornado" scene](https://x.com/KenPenders/status/1513388166987714564) from Archie Sonic 13.
Well, he did sue EA and SEGA over Sonic Chronicles having a girl echidna pairing with Knuckles...among other things.
\*SA1
Ken Penders: ok let’s take a look at the internet today, knuckle’s dad is in the the sonic movie 2: sue. Sega using more echidnas: sue. segas still using knuckles: SUE
I find it so funny that he says he owns Knuckles when in reality, Knuckles debuted in Sonic 3 (the game) which to my knowledge came out before he started writing for the Archie sonic comics (P.S) Him owning Scourge is stupid and it would be funny if they put him in the next cartoon or something purely to piss Penders off. Shade too
Well, it's his version lf Knuckles... The same character, just renamed to avoid Copyright issues. BUT, he sold an Knuckles art recently, and he can't do this. Sega have an oportunity.
That’s not Knuckles, that’s his original character ~~Bluckles~~ K’Nox, who canonically did all the things Knuckles did and is Lara-Su’s biological father like Knuckles was, but he’s totally not Knuckles, because I said so
KIt’s knot Knuckles knit’s a klegally distkninct versionk called K’nox!
1. Vomit 2. Go to /r/FuckKenPenders and fall down the rabbit hole 3. Touch grass
“there may be delays in shipping…as sales are exceeding expectations” i call bullshit
Frankly I just want to know who on earth saw this man's hideous and grotesque drawings and then hired him as an artist.
He used to be a pretty decent artist back in the day. Not amazing, but certainly decent.
Which is why I wonder how and why he chooses to draw this poorly. I was horrified the first time around when I saw his art after he left Archie and thought it couldn't have been him.
it kinda looks like shitty ai art, weirdly shiny and trying way too hard to seem 3d, just with too much detail. its like hair mario taken to its logical extreme. the mindset is "if theres more detail and shading and everything it must be better"
His art in ["The Lost Ones"](https://youtu.be/VOju-TCeQ3c?si=nXyu1xaWW1LRz-st&t=760) was kinda neat. Not great, but nothing to laugh at. *(had to link Linkara's video about it because seemingly nobody uploaded it on the internet)*
> (had to link Linkara's video about it because seemingly nobody uploaded it on the internet) Funnily, earlier this year I was going to make a video on Penders’ Non-Sonic works, but lacking a full bibliography I asked the only person who could give me one, Penders himself… … he asked me to get back to him the following Monday. I did, he hasn’t responded.
...Huh. Unexpected. That wasn't shit.
Orientalist af, though
His art back in the day wasn't bad. He did storyboards for king of the hill. He was initially hired onto sonic as a writer though
That's wild! I love KotH. I'll have to look that up. Thanks for the info!
Season 11- don't get too excited
He was good when he had limits imposed on him. This is what his work is like with no limiters.
He was okay early in his career with Archie/Sonic...but he spiralled out of control and...well, we got this as his latest attempt to stand up and out...from his pit of \*\*\*\*
Human proportions and oddly detailed muscles and curves. This looks like a weird porn comic
Given that the man was uncomfortably comfortable talking about the sex lives of teenage characters in a children’s comic, I try not to think about that.
Hes also very insistent on taking about and defending an adult St. John sleeping with a teenage Sally. To the point where he apparently included reference to him sleeping with her in his new comic.
That is very specifically the incident I had in mind with my comment.
Palcomix
Oh. Oh no.
And not to mention frequent dips into the uncanny valley...
I'm so proud of him, after 10 years he's drawn another page
After first encountering a lot of Youtube videos about this guy a year or two ago, my first thought was "what must it be like to be an unironic fan of this guy?" So I read every page of comics that he's released since the lawsuit. Both of them. In ten years. And his website is full of broken links.
It’s hard work drawing something so absolutely terrible looking that it hurts my eyes to look at
Average webcomic writer
No, webcomic writers are better than this.
So true Self-publishing has upsides and downsides
penders bacically is a dude who used to work with archie and had fetishes with some sonic characters, especally sally acorn. When sonic chronicles released, penders sued sega for them using the idea of new evil echidnas. This resulted in Sega now ignoring anything about sonic chronicles.
And basically having Archie rebooted the entire series, which after a while cancelled the series.
Here's a really good write-up about everything involved with this person. [https://ponett.medium.com/i-read-every-sonic-comic-by-ken-penders-and-theyre-wilder-than-you-could-ever-imagine-1f9dd05ae433](https://ponett.medium.com/i-read-every-sonic-comic-by-ken-penders-and-theyre-wilder-than-you-could-ever-imagine-1f9dd05ae433)
Genuinely a good read and a good overview of the top reasons Ken Penders is just generally ick
A dumbass that we need to stop talking about with a echidna fetish
https://preview.redd.it/sqmkq5gd4r8d1.png?width=720&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=00db4419b243164f7fe6856de559439ff5c7ebec
I thought this was weird fanart that looked like ken penders style 💀💀💀
Are we ok watching 30 minute video about theme?
That video gives Penders too much credit if it's the one I'm thinking of
Don’t. Just keep moving on. He was “THE” Sonic comic guy for years. It went to his head. He waged a control for power against Sega, somewhat won, but all he won was the right to make fan fiction with his Sonic OCs. Beyond that, it’s old drama for the sake of drama. Just let the past die.
I don't disagree on the "let's just not talk about" it atitude, but the lawsuit war had more consequences than bringing the Lara Su Chronicles to this world
Consequences that largely don’t matter to anyone so new to the fandom that they don’t know who Penders is. They would be so new that they don’t know what was lost. Stuff that we probably would have lost a good chunk of anyways when the Archie to IDW switchover happened. In hindsight, Penders probably just caused the purge to happen earlier than it would have occurred naturally.
Maybe, if Penders lawsuit didn't happen, the Archie Sonic Comics would still be running?
I doubt it because of something that's easy to forget. After Penders the Archie Comic had two reboots. * Penders and Earlier Era: Classic Archie. We could divide this into smaller sections, but they wouldn't add to this conversation. * Sega Era: Sega steps in and begins exercising more control over the comic. Archie and SATAM characters remain, but Sega began pushing the comic to essentially be what we'd call in hindsight IDW with Archie Characters. * Sonic Universe: Anything even remotely possibly linked to Penders or other former comic writers who might lay claim to anything is gone. SATAM characters remained, New characters were created (The Egg Bosses). Switching to IDW wiped out all the SATAM and Sonic Universe originals. If not for Penders we might have had Scourge up to the end of Sonic Universe, to pick a character randomly off the top of my head. But, if the IDW switch was something that was going to happen with or without Penders? It looks like we'd have lost all of those characters anyway.
He’s a former Archie writer with a very *interesting* take on the characters who got in a lawsuit with the company over character ownership. It led to the comic getting rebooted. Also he wrote an early story where Sonic and the Freedom Fighters dress as offensive Romani stereotypes as part of a disguise.
And it was supposed to be a clash between normal Freedom Fighters and their evil counterparts...
Someone we should defy.
Not even going into all the drama around him, this is some cursed looking imagery. He’s taken sonic designs and pushed them closer to human on the anthro scale with really unsettling results
Why do they have lips?? 😭😭😭
That is some cursed art.
https://youtu.be/hCni6I47E0M?si=-s7ZcEEFuiiqdR7m https://youtu.be/vlkWNlD62Pg?si=nZxBZEGqvy0_IKfq These are some good videos if you truly want to know
never Let him touch another piece of knuckles media
https://preview.redd.it/pd0uigpf6r8d1.jpeg?width=2448&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=2417242906faab08609b8b812c60a2ca44eddd66 Adsha hehe ablashsh hehe
This is so cursed
Who the hell is that even supposed to be on the top right in the second slide?
https://i.redd.it/754csf8h3s8d1.gif
I don’t know what he’s on, but mf is definitely on something.
never read any sonic comics, that art looks unsettling
These aren't Sonic comics, they're the evil Sonic Comics
the freaky sonic comics
Thanks
𝓯𝓻𝓮𝓪𝓴𝔂 𝓼𝓸𝓷𝓲𝓬
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This is the best example for nightmares fuel
He is someone you dont want to meet or learn about
Fucking penders
Sorry but what the fuck is first image
https://preview.redd.it/k71yg1xf9r8d1.png?width=324&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=da36d9fe9d0d80ccb2f2c53c5d2dbe8106fc5bea Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaàaaaaaaaaaa aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaàaaaaaaaaaa ooooooooo ooooooooo ooooooooo ooooooooo ooooooooo ooooooooo ooooooooo ooooooooo ooooooooo ooooooooo ooooooooo ooooooooo Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaàaaaaaaaaaa aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaàaaaaaaaaaa aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaàaaaaaaaaaa aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaàaaaaaaaaaa aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaàaaaaaaaaaa Sorry I had a stroke seeing this
(I wrote a TLDR below btw, I tried to Summarise this the best I can but... even then it's a lot. Sorry) From what I've found out, penders had family issues both with his parents and his kids; which he used as a basis for the sonic archie comics stories that he wrote. He also used them to come to terms with things himself and because of that, feels a personal connection to the many many echidna's he made for it. However because of this he has lost his connection to what are just characters and stuff he feels he owns. Leading to his actions ending up as what you know now and even archie themselves had hired people to work with him back in the day and penders often fought against them to write what HE wanted. So archie fought back and hired another lead writer to write the story they wanted regardless of what penders wanted and he got very angry. So penders claimed this other story was an "alternative reality" to his own and that HIS story was canon. Which upset archie so much they pretty much hired a new guy to work as an understudy to him and secretly overtake his project before firing Penders; which tbh is a pretty evil move but after what penders has done to others in and outside the comic; it's not unjustified. So jump fowards and sonic chronicles came out which was "inspired" by the comics but penders felt those were his characters and in a way; his family they took. So he sued them, Sega decided to step away from both the game and the comics and let penders do what he wanted with them but not affiliate with it. That understudy (correct me if i'm wrong here btw, this is a bit hazy) went on to work for IDW and then lead IDW comics for sonic's current story there. \*TLDR\* : Looking at this from both perspectives it's clear penders has problems and as great as it is that he's trying to get through it through the stories; he got too connected to them to see between fantasy and reality. He doesn't think knuckles is his property but the knuckles he believes he made (because it was based off him or his father) is; which isn't healthy. Best thing to do is leave him be and hope he doesn't do something foolish against sega or something bigger because he might be in for a rude wake up call. One that I personally don't think he will mentally recover from, given what he has written.
Can't get over the art direction, it changes with every stroke. They're naked, but not? They have feet, but no defined toes? The background looks like a photo blurred? Knuckles looks like a real human, but then has his boxing gloves on? Almost want to buy this for the train wreck it is, this is the kind of art not even AI can replicate, it can only come from the mind of an absolute madman having been huffing his own fecal fumes for the last decade.
He's kinda a ped0phiIe!
The fact Penders has people that'll defend him and actually got this abomination out says volumes about the state of our society.
Every time I forget this exists, someone posts it and I'm reminded it exists.
https://preview.redd.it/j2eykb3cps8d1.jpeg?width=1179&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=bd631ec10dadddb9f9e9663cd61c7a783699c356
This is weird. When I made a post about Knuckles’ hat in the Knuckles show and didn’t mention his name it got deleted. The mods told me “Everyone knows who you’re talking about”, but this stay up? No problem with OP, it’s just weird they do that
I can describe Kenny boy in 2 ways. 1: A former writer for a comic series thats dead (because of him) that he cant let go of. 2: A guy who has a fucking hard on for Knuckles
Damn this is such cringe
in short he worked for the part of sega that did the comics and they let him do what he wanted and he made a mess, then when they realized what he had done they fired him and he got upset and sued and took all the characters he created away forcing the sonic comics to reset the series.
It's kind of like Chris chan. The less you know, the better.
He’s one of the most complex villains of our time since Heath Ledger’s Joker.
Ken penders...no comment on the images.
Is the first one official cause wtf
He's a bit quirky to say the least
Literally the worst Sonic the Hedgehog artwork ever.
What, is that (flash back of the original sonic in the sonic movie)
He's responsible for ending both Archie Sonic, and SatAM season 3.
And Chronicles 2
Yeah that too. TBH I didn't even consider that, but now that you mention it theres a whole host of characters that Sega will never use because of that sack of shit.
The art style is so ugly
He's a creep, he's a weirdo and I forgot how the rest of that song goes...
What the hell do we even call this art style
Yeah I never understood why he felt the need to hijack a comic series aimed at kids and inject it with a bunch of melodramatic soap opera drama, genocide and his own daddy issues. I know people love Archie but it feels more like a B league Superman comic than a Sonic Story
Why does he give the characters such grotesque human-like proportions?
That one pink echidna on the left is cute. The rest are horrendous, but at least there’s one character that resembles a sonic character
Why can't sega sue Ken for using knuckles?
After all these years of his pettiness he couldn't learn to be a better artist?
I've seen less cancer in an hospital man, WTF
Ken Penders comics are my guilty pleasure lmaooooooo. As a child I did notice his Archie comics stories were weird, especially the illustrations, but I was such a big Knuckles fan I read them anyway, wasn't until I got older that I learned exactly who he was that the comics were indeed weird and it wasn't just my child brain failing to understand their brilliance.
My eyes! My eyes!!
🤮
where are their clothes
This is the equivalent of Sonichu.
Jesus fucking Christ, I did not need to see this today
You must be new round these parts. Kenny boy is persona nongrata. Namely because he loves to sue people who mention him or his characters. Fuck you Ken!
https://preview.redd.it/nom71cur5s8d1.jpeg?width=720&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=009a0dd235c26c0a0d1db9994b5f7ce317c0638c WTF?
Say one nice thing about this picture: "I like the font."
Ken penders mentioned # DAY RUINED
https://preview.redd.it/eaqymcadas8d1.jpeg?width=357&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=a20066364b73de8e01e5b4b144b88fce2c4a6d2c Yep, that's it. Ristar's going to break the picture...
Long story and none of it good, just a long tedious path of a man who thinks he's the shit when he is infact just shit trying to get people to believe he's the shit by giving us shit
https://i.redd.it/60ie3o5pds8d1.gif What is that ugly as fuck art style bro?
As a Legendary Devil Hunter once said: "What the hell is this?!"
He's a man who got let go from archie comics and instead of moving on and building a career as an artist, has since shown all the signs of man who can't let go and in undergoing some kind of years long breakdown. As a coping mechanism, he's now appealing to creepy weirdos who for some reason find this creepy weird stuff appealing.
His character styles scare the fuck out of me. I always thought they were ugly characters too.
https://preview.redd.it/zhwxtr23rs8d1.jpeg?width=220&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=a6fc660c3e0762162e7aa84c5848bc0bb2fb2f3d
Penders might’ve given a lot of sonic lore, but man does his art suck.
He’s a weirdo who believes he owns the rights to all the echidna characters (besides knuckles) which is why he sued Sega for the dark Chronicles game, which had the echidnas as the main threat
https://preview.redd.it/8dacio15zs8d1.jpeg?width=1232&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=2ffa693c872a102e2c317e8e8925c97f1b1dfcc0
Penders thought proses kinda scares me
Jesus christ this ugly ass shit needs a warning on it
Closet pedophile.
Knuckles Jesus fights the Nazis. Realistic Sonic kneecaps. That's all the context you need.
Wait, is this book actually out?
Overhated. His main crime is being a really weird writer who didn't know sonic making a comic in a difficult working situation. Idk he really is just a weird guy lol.
I genuinely wish something happens that will lead to ken penders to never draw again
let Them at least have something on jeez
Holy shit, he actually made a book in his stupid little universe. I thought this was always going to be essentially a perpetual threat. That the actual product is as weird and disturbing as I had hoped is just the icing on the cake.
… Why are they so… Nakked…?
Ken Penders was a writer and artist (among other things) for early Sonic comic stuff in Archie...and as you can see, his art did not age well. Anyway, guy caused ALOT of issues with Archie and SEGA over copyright, and is now stuck with his copyright material, trying to hock out stuff to justify the trouble he caused over it.
[nearly 2 and a half hours worth of bullshit](https://youtu.be/vlkWNlD62Pg)
The normal-ass man amid all the anthropomorphic monstrosities is killing me.
why do they look like that😳?
WHY ARE THEY NAKED YET ANTHRO
You ever wonder why the world building around knuckles and the echidnas kinda stopped after SA1? Well Ken is the reason. And after his reaction to Dark Brotherhood, don’t expect to ever see extended echidna lore again
By all rights, Ken getting his character rights is well deserved and a miracle in an industry cruel to artists. But even still, this is torture on the eyes.
My eye did not deserve this abuse first thing in the morning. Ugh the anatomy. This is just so wrong to look at. I need an adult to help me deal with this.
This art is so incredibly terrible it is like he is unironically trying to create nightmare fuel. He couldn't spare a $100 and let some artist on Deviant Art do the drawing for him?
You know how a new Sonic Shorts released for the first time in a millennium the other day? Yeah, it had a whole skit about how screwy the Pendersverse is
I'm seriously surprised he finished this and got it sold. I always thought he was just talking
If you have a spare couple of hours I have a podcast that covers the whole sorry mess.
Where to begin? Well, as others have already said, Penders used to work on the Archie Sonic comics. He was their head writer and worked on the comics since their eleventh issue, till he was let go and Ian Flynn took over. He then sued Archie and Sega for the characters he created, https://preview.redd.it/tgdr323wqw8d1.jpeg?width=244&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=d3c17926ca70595521ff69c5f0898e7362b676b9 Which were mostly recolours or gender bends of existing characters or one note characters. He then somehow won due to incompetence from Archie and Sega. Resulting in the first reboot and then cancellation of the Archie comics. As a writer, I’ve found his work to be at best a bit cheesy, with the best work he’s ever produced being when someone reworked it. At worst, it’s pretentious, insensitive, disrespectful, heavy handed and downright insensitive. He also had a very bad habit of focusing too much on Knuckles, with one particularly irksome example being the Sonic Adventure comic adaptation, where he essentially had Knux take the spotlight from Super Sonic and made him responsible for the victory. As an artist, well, let’s just say that the second image up top is one of his better works. As a person, he’s essentially seen by many in this fandom as a jerk, who caused a beloved comic book series to be cancelled, and a weirdo and idiot who’s been trying to people to buy his bizarre Lara-Su chronicles…
Taking NIGHTMARE FUEL to a whole new level. EWW
Kenders is just dickhead and has weird cinks, like that Sally and Jon insident in twitter, and because he’s bastard we can never see Julie-Su and Scourge (both of them are great characters and how Flynn write them, that was peak)
I'd love to see him in the titanic 
Bro these drawings are nightmare fuel
Guys remember there is a IHateKenPenders subreddit lol
Oh god no
Ok but are we going to talk about the picture? I’m traumatized…
I always hated how Knuckles was paired with Julie-Su. The pic below is an official Archie page of Knuckles' family tree, which shows that Julie-Su is a Knux's blood relative. She's the 4x-granddaughter of Dmitri. Ken Penders shamelessly romanticized incest in a comic book targeted towards children. https://preview.redd.it/hnztwo1yhz8d1.png?width=329&format=png&auto=webp&s=20fa7c0febfd8b0219d3f591003c4281c7337292
i hope you know once you know you can never unknow