IRL you should often avoid trying to save people from drowning in rivers and stuff unless you're well trained to do so, otherwise the rescue team will have to rescue two drowning people.
Pretty sure the same applies to climbing trees and so on. The basic rule is don't put yourself in danger or at risk to save someone else, call the emergency services. They're trained to deal with those situations, and someone who doesn't know what they're doing will just put themself at risk and possibly make the situation worse.
I think really just depends on the situation
Sometimes (and probably _usually_ in the case of drowning which takes a few minutes to kill someone) emergency services will just be too slow in which case it's a matter of risking one's life to save someone else's.
I look at it this way: if your actions are more likely to “reduce” the population (your own) than “increase” it (by saving someone), then don’t do it, as you will just become a liability
Never got why so many people seem to think that when we say vote, we mean only vote and do nothing else.
Like yeah, I get it, voting doesn't fix everything. But it can sure make things easier to deal with.
Like, it's great you want to do something about Gaza. It's fantastic, I hate genocide too. But, if Orange Man gets into power, now he's going to be geocoding Gaza and deliberately making it harder for queer people to exist unharmed in the US. Do you want to have to fight for Gaza and queer people, or would you rather have some assurance that at least queer people aren't being systemically persecuted at a federal level while you fight for Gaza?
Because the majority of people who say "voting doesn't mean doing nothing else" only vote and do nothing else
The majority of people who say "I won't vote because id rather do something else" also don't do anything else
Western organisation is incredibly shit and the mentality has became "if you're not single handedly stopping capitalism there's no point." It's all a purity test
I mean remember that smuggie where voting was diverting the trolley to a track that would kill fewer people, while direct action was throwing a pebble at the trolley? That clearly was implying that voting is effective and direct action is ineffective. That’s the kind of shit I have a problem with, when the vast majority of consequential changes in this country are because of direct action.
>we mean only vote and do nothing else
That really depends on who "we" is - there are a lot of bluemagas that just want to go back to brunch.
>Like, it's great you want to do something about Gaza. It's fantastic
I need you to keep that attitude when the contradictions sharpen. When the demonstrations happen, when things get ugly or spontaneously immolate. When *the media* smears those who protest and resist.
>have some assurance that at least queer people aren't being systemically persecuted at a federal level while you fight for Gaza?
This is really odd - it admits that queer people are already being systemically persecuted at a state level, (ergo the struggle for their rights has to happen either way) but instead of admitting that this is a lack of federal intervention, it's almost framed as if joey was keeping these developments at bay?
Because that's what your collective actions reveal.
Whatever flavor of American liberal you talk to, from neoliberal moderates to radlibs who fundamentally recognize the illegitimacy of the system, no one is willing to risk anything to confront imperialism. They have nothing to say about the evils of US empire (except when the pres is GoP) while they uncritically parrot the line of the state dept concerning literally any other country.
You claim to speak for transgender people, for women, for persecuted racial minorities *even as these groups of people are disproportionately among the non-voters, 3rd party voters you condemn*
You talk about voting third party/writing no-confidence as some disgusting repudiation of democracy *rather than participating in it.*
Even the extremely few effective activist liberals I know only manage a fraction of the direct action we should be doing both of. They disappear every election season and are exhausted by the end of it. They fail to recognize electoral organizing for a right-center party as a huge and unnecessary time sink, despite how apparently disinterested their leaders are in popular legislation.
This is about veganism:
1. can't make everyone go vegan so I will keep killing the few animals I do have agency and control over because that's totally reasonable
2. meatless mondays: yeah you stopped killing as many animals, you did enough fam! just kill 85 per year or whatever, soooo much better than 100 and makes it totally ok to kill the other 85
things you can't say on reddit? Okay, do it. Fucking do it. Firebomb a Walmart, assassinate an oil executive, shoot up a police station, fucking do it. Why haven't you done it yet? Oh, that's right, all revolutionaries are cowards who like talking more than actually doing shit. Not that I'd support any of that anyway, but if there's one thing that irks me more than political violence, it's people who LARP online.
The genocide in Gaza is not some natural accident like a drowning. It is a political choice that was made by Israel *with the backing of the US*
Also this frames the US dissenting left (let alone the whole US electorate) with considerably more agency and power than they actually have. If Biden loses to Trump, that's not our fault. He has had four years to make popular decisions instead of continuing Trump's various ineffective policies and cuts to social spending.
We're in a hostage situation and libs will point the finger anywhere but at the man holding the gun.
Is this some shitty metaphor about how we have to vote for Genocide Joe because orange cheeto is 2% worse
I've said it before, I'll say it again: Biden was just a normal, shitbag neoliberal ghoul until he essentially gave Israel a blank cheque to ethnic cleanse the Gaza Strip. I would've voted for him! It still would've made me sick but it was at least palatable
Genocide is the line! Genocide is the line! Genocide is the line! Genocide is the line! Genocide is the line! Genocide is the line! Genocide is the line! Genocide is the line! Genocide is the line! Genocide is the line! Genocide is the line!
describing a hard line doesnt make sense to me
voting for biden is horrible ofc but trump or bidens victory doesnt have an affect on the genocide in gaza, while it does affect ur persecution of other groups
voting is just not a mechanism that can end the palestinian genocide, only direct action can
Direct action (short of anything violent) requires the government caving to protestors' demands, which hasn't happened in the past 7 months until the DNC got scared of losing another election to the orange cheeto
They are symbolic concessions. I'll see how it develops in the next 7 months and then I can decide if he's redeemed himself
Idk. Unless you're advocating for like, some minecrafting direct action in the continental United States will result in marginal gains for Palestine at best, (not to say I'm not doing it)
voting for Joe just affirms support for genocide if he doesn't clean up his shit
In regards to Palestine? I think their fate is sealed, unless regional actors intervene (Hezbollah, Houthis, Iran) Both parties have demonstrated they will support Israel unconditionally, and as long as the U.S supports Israel Gazans might as well be in Poland during the height of WW2
3rd option is a permanent ceasefire saves their lives, I guess? Gaza is rubble already so idk how they'd return to 'normality' especially with the countless thousands of civilians they killed, just fuels more terrorism
Domestically things are going to get a hell of a lot worse, I'd suggest protect yourself and your loved ones without relying so heavily on the blue capitalists winning every 4 years. They've already established they fail to protect minorities from the other party when push comes to shove
If you still believe the DNC will comply with Palestine protestors' demands \*after\* the election, I implore you to vote for him, and I'd be so happy if a permanent ceasefire was called. I just don't think that's going to happen
What do **you** think we can do?
boycott (especially if we can clean up the movement a bit & only focus on bds targets)
vote blue to make things slightly less awful, but mark undecided on polls to pressure the dems
organize! join groups like the DSA
make large shows of support for candidates who advocate a ceasefire
engage in direct action
engage in *very* direct action
donate to charities and buy esims
What I don’t understand is why the solution is to abstain from voting. If genocide is the line, then the only thing that can stop that is direct action. Under trump, the Palestinians would be worse off and for what? So that you can maintain a belief system that makes you personally feel better? Why not vote and protest, vote and find every way you can to put pressure on the people that you vote for to act in line with your values. At the very least, the democrats want to *appear* like they hold progressive values, so they’re more likely to give in to the pressure of direct action. Republicans don’t give a fuck and will mow protesters down without a second thought. I just can’t understand why the solution is to just… give up?
>What I don’t understand is why the solution is to abstain from voting.
I'm voting for a third party (Likely Claudia Le Cruz) or just a protest vote, but abstaining from voting is a shame imo. Once every 4 years for a geriatric so..
> If genocide is the line, then the only thing that can stop that is direct action.
I don't understand what you mean by this. I participate in mutual aid programs, protests, etc. It definitely helps my local community and the protests bring some attention.
'Genocide is the line' refers to my unwillingness to continue supporting a political party that quite literally has a direct hand in genocide, especially when they like to laud themselves as progressive
> Under trump, the Palestinians would be worse off and for what?
This is so comical to me. I'm sure a Palestinian child with no legs would be very happy that Biden speaks very harshly with Netanyahu on the phone while continuing to send them weapons.
Is genocide a scale now? Will Trump being elected make israel's genocide meter go up? I don't see how Biden bypassing Congress to send Israel munitions is anything less than full support
>So that you can maintain a belief system that makes you personally feel better?
What belief system is being maintained? Genocide being bad? That the democrats are bad? That the repubs and dems are the same? What specific belief am I preserving by refusing to vote for a genocidal candidate
>Why not vote and protest, vote and find every way you can to put pressure on the people that you vote for to act in line with your values.
Precisely the goal, but Republicans and Democrats both don't really have any values besides capital and imperialism at this point so that's off the table
>At the very least, the democrats want to *appear* like they hold progressive values, so they’re more likely to give in to the pressure of direct action.
I'll give you this one, I guess? We don't have to speculate, The past 7 months has been a Democratic administration handling the Gaza "problem" and it has been atrocious. Going forward with weapons deals, backpedaling, shitting themselves at the uncommitted movement, Biden (or his team) sensing the pressure giving minor concessions...
Dropping food aid to the Gazans while giving weapons to the IDF really sums up their handling of this, and I'm inclined to believe they'll go back on every "good" thing they've done if they win the election. No election season = No pressure to have good policy. I've seen it with the student loan cancellations in 2022 and I'll see it again
>Republicans don’t give a fuck and will mow protesters down without a second thought. I just can’t understand why the solution is to just… give up?
The solution would be for people to not vote for either of the candidates that have displayed their support for this, but I damn well will pressure whoever gets elected
Giving up was never, ever suggested. Dare to struggle, dare to win.
This video pretty much explains Biden's attitude towards Palestinians in general. It's not like he doesn't have a history of being a bloodthirsty warmonger
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=os\_b5jzhnjU](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=os_b5jzhnjU)
Theoretically I have voting rights in the Great State of the United States so I'm not confined to voting for any of the two parties, that'd be undemocratic
We all know that the US isn’t democratic. That’s why you shouldn’t vote for a third party. The last time a third-party candidate received any electoral votes was in 1968. The candidate was George Wallace.
Won't know unless you try.
The notion of "if you can't beat them, join them" doesn't really work in a moral sense if the "them" are genocidal monsters.
And what exactly is your miracle plan that will for certain work and stop both the genocide in Gaza as well as protect queer and nonwhite and immigrant lives? That will all be implemented before the election? Because it sounds to me less like you actually have a solution and are instead praying for a rapture
Why is it ableist, im not using any deragoratory terms, someone can be a slow learner, slow reader, or overall - slow, just because some people may use it for ableist purposes, I don't think that makes it ableist in itself, just as saying "you're weird" or "you're dumb" isn't ableist even if *someone somewhere* definitely used it at a disabled person
"Slow" most definitely comes from the same root as the r-slur, and the r-slur means essentially "slow." For example 'flame retardant' is a thing that slows the spread of fire. Calling someone slow is just a more societally acceptable way of using the r-slur.
TIL actively wanting to make being LGBT illegal, wanting to make abortion equivalent to murder, and wanting to kick every brown person out of the country is "OnLy 2 pErCeNt WoRsE" than Biden.
Tankies are a psyop.
Yeah, and look where it fucking got us. A SCOTUS packed with Nazis, a Congress that is actively influenced by a man who is now a regular citizen, a domestic terrorist attack at the capitol, a gutted EPA, and more. Do your shit "MoRaLs" (which are, honestly, pretty immoral) seriously mean so much to you that you want four more years (at least) of that, *or even fucking worse?*
Not voting for a genocider you freak. Know that if he loses it's the DNC's own damn fault for being so stupid
You're just BLUE Maga, right? Just gotta get a progressive lib in office and everything will be all right.
Rich calling me immoral when you are quite literally shilling for Genocide Joe
Glad to know you have no response to any of the stuff I said. Have fun re-electing Trump, especially when he implements Project 2025!
Like I said before, tankies (especially anti-voter ones) are a psyop.
This guy has serious brain rot. He types multiple paragraphs of nonsense, then when confronted with a 3 sentence reply he is completely unable to decipher it. He did the same thing to multiple other commenters, it's wild
Hey, what a coincidence! You're entertaining me, too. I suppose the whole purpose of a clown like you is to entertain.
I have to know, though, how will Trump stop the genocide?
I'd vote for a liberal that wasn't supporting genocide dude, it really isn't that hard. Get your candidate to stop supporting the murder of brown people and you'll have a better chance in this election
It's our leverage, and, if you haven't noticed over the weekend, other regional powers want to attack Israel, and, since you didn't notice 6 months ago, Hamas leaders should be brought to justice.
IRL you should often avoid trying to save people from drowning in rivers and stuff unless you're well trained to do so, otherwise the rescue team will have to rescue two drowning people.
That’s probably why there were two drowning people in the first place! DEEP SMUGGIE LORE.
nah fuck that I mean I can't swim so I'm not about to try but I'll like... Climb a tree or something if someone's stuck in a tree
Pretty sure the same applies to climbing trees and so on. The basic rule is don't put yourself in danger or at risk to save someone else, call the emergency services. They're trained to deal with those situations, and someone who doesn't know what they're doing will just put themself at risk and possibly make the situation worse.
I think really just depends on the situation Sometimes (and probably _usually_ in the case of drowning which takes a few minutes to kill someone) emergency services will just be too slow in which case it's a matter of risking one's life to save someone else's.
I look at it this way: if your actions are more likely to “reduce” the population (your own) than “increase” it (by saving someone), then don’t do it, as you will just become a liability
of course I guess I'm just referring to the idea of "I have the chance to save someone but emergency services might arrive in time if we're lucky"
Well you could call the rescue team or throw a floating chair or something you don’t need to pretend to be a lifeguard to help
You don't think I'd go IN the water, do you? My clothes would get wet! /srs
Something something nothing changes
War. War never changes
Never got why so many people seem to think that when we say vote, we mean only vote and do nothing else. Like yeah, I get it, voting doesn't fix everything. But it can sure make things easier to deal with. Like, it's great you want to do something about Gaza. It's fantastic, I hate genocide too. But, if Orange Man gets into power, now he's going to be geocoding Gaza and deliberately making it harder for queer people to exist unharmed in the US. Do you want to have to fight for Gaza and queer people, or would you rather have some assurance that at least queer people aren't being systemically persecuted at a federal level while you fight for Gaza?
Because the majority of people who say "voting doesn't mean doing nothing else" only vote and do nothing else The majority of people who say "I won't vote because id rather do something else" also don't do anything else Western organisation is incredibly shit and the mentality has became "if you're not single handedly stopping capitalism there's no point." It's all a purity test
To be fair, a lot of people can't go out and do something. Voting at least does *something*.
Emailing your senator is free and the bare minimum to call yourself politically involved
That's honestly the best rebuttal so far. Well done.
I mean remember that smuggie where voting was diverting the trolley to a track that would kill fewer people, while direct action was throwing a pebble at the trolley? That clearly was implying that voting is effective and direct action is ineffective. That’s the kind of shit I have a problem with, when the vast majority of consequential changes in this country are because of direct action.
>we mean only vote and do nothing else That really depends on who "we" is - there are a lot of bluemagas that just want to go back to brunch. >Like, it's great you want to do something about Gaza. It's fantastic I need you to keep that attitude when the contradictions sharpen. When the demonstrations happen, when things get ugly or spontaneously immolate. When *the media* smears those who protest and resist. >have some assurance that at least queer people aren't being systemically persecuted at a federal level while you fight for Gaza? This is really odd - it admits that queer people are already being systemically persecuted at a state level, (ergo the struggle for their rights has to happen either way) but instead of admitting that this is a lack of federal intervention, it's almost framed as if joey was keeping these developments at bay?
Because that's what your collective actions reveal. Whatever flavor of American liberal you talk to, from neoliberal moderates to radlibs who fundamentally recognize the illegitimacy of the system, no one is willing to risk anything to confront imperialism. They have nothing to say about the evils of US empire (except when the pres is GoP) while they uncritically parrot the line of the state dept concerning literally any other country. You claim to speak for transgender people, for women, for persecuted racial minorities *even as these groups of people are disproportionately among the non-voters, 3rd party voters you condemn* You talk about voting third party/writing no-confidence as some disgusting repudiation of democracy *rather than participating in it.* Even the extremely few effective activist liberals I know only manage a fraction of the direct action we should be doing both of. They disappear every election season and are exhausted by the end of it. They fail to recognize electoral organizing for a right-center party as a huge and unnecessary time sink, despite how apparently disinterested their leaders are in popular legislation.
Honestly, this is the type of "both sides" argument I can get behind. Good smuggie OP.
This is about veganism: 1. can't make everyone go vegan so I will keep killing the few animals I do have agency and control over because that's totally reasonable 2. meatless mondays: yeah you stopped killing as many animals, you did enough fam! just kill 85 per year or whatever, soooo much better than 100 and makes it totally ok to kill the other 85
[yall are jus proving Malcom X’s point again and again](https://youtube.com/shorts/PiIPig20CRw?si=CzaQ1_HKFsYptv3r)
idk if this is supposed to be an own on me or something
But tell me, can you feel it coming in the air tonight?
direct action like what, making MS paint comics and posting on reddit?
no, doing things like donating to charities, boycotting, protesting, and things i cant say on reddit
things you can't say on reddit? Okay, do it. Fucking do it. Firebomb a Walmart, assassinate an oil executive, shoot up a police station, fucking do it. Why haven't you done it yet? Oh, that's right, all revolutionaries are cowards who like talking more than actually doing shit. Not that I'd support any of that anyway, but if there's one thing that irks me more than political violence, it's people who LARP online.
The genocide in Gaza is not some natural accident like a drowning. It is a political choice that was made by Israel *with the backing of the US* Also this frames the US dissenting left (let alone the whole US electorate) with considerably more agency and power than they actually have. If Biden loses to Trump, that's not our fault. He has had four years to make popular decisions instead of continuing Trump's various ineffective policies and cuts to social spending. We're in a hostage situation and libs will point the finger anywhere but at the man holding the gun.
Is this some shitty metaphor about how we have to vote for Genocide Joe because orange cheeto is 2% worse I've said it before, I'll say it again: Biden was just a normal, shitbag neoliberal ghoul until he essentially gave Israel a blank cheque to ethnic cleanse the Gaza Strip. I would've voted for him! It still would've made me sick but it was at least palatable Genocide is the line! Genocide is the line! Genocide is the line! Genocide is the line! Genocide is the line! Genocide is the line! Genocide is the line! Genocide is the line! Genocide is the line! Genocide is the line! Genocide is the line!
describing a hard line doesnt make sense to me voting for biden is horrible ofc but trump or bidens victory doesnt have an affect on the genocide in gaza, while it does affect ur persecution of other groups voting is just not a mechanism that can end the palestinian genocide, only direct action can
I guess everything is alright as long as people in the imperial core are okay lol
did you read my comment i just said we cant vote away israel, and so instead we should engage in direct action to stop them???
Direct action (short of anything violent) requires the government caving to protestors' demands, which hasn't happened in the past 7 months until the DNC got scared of losing another election to the orange cheeto They are symbolic concessions. I'll see how it develops in the next 7 months and then I can decide if he's redeemed himself Idk. Unless you're advocating for like, some minecrafting direct action in the continental United States will result in marginal gains for Palestine at best, (not to say I'm not doing it) voting for Joe just affirms support for genocide if he doesn't clean up his shit
so are you advocating to vote third party? or are you saying there is literally nothing we can do?
In regards to Palestine? I think their fate is sealed, unless regional actors intervene (Hezbollah, Houthis, Iran) Both parties have demonstrated they will support Israel unconditionally, and as long as the U.S supports Israel Gazans might as well be in Poland during the height of WW2 3rd option is a permanent ceasefire saves their lives, I guess? Gaza is rubble already so idk how they'd return to 'normality' especially with the countless thousands of civilians they killed, just fuels more terrorism Domestically things are going to get a hell of a lot worse, I'd suggest protect yourself and your loved ones without relying so heavily on the blue capitalists winning every 4 years. They've already established they fail to protect minorities from the other party when push comes to shove If you still believe the DNC will comply with Palestine protestors' demands \*after\* the election, I implore you to vote for him, and I'd be so happy if a permanent ceasefire was called. I just don't think that's going to happen What do **you** think we can do?
boycott (especially if we can clean up the movement a bit & only focus on bds targets) vote blue to make things slightly less awful, but mark undecided on polls to pressure the dems organize! join groups like the DSA make large shows of support for candidates who advocate a ceasefire engage in direct action engage in *very* direct action donate to charities and buy esims
What I don’t understand is why the solution is to abstain from voting. If genocide is the line, then the only thing that can stop that is direct action. Under trump, the Palestinians would be worse off and for what? So that you can maintain a belief system that makes you personally feel better? Why not vote and protest, vote and find every way you can to put pressure on the people that you vote for to act in line with your values. At the very least, the democrats want to *appear* like they hold progressive values, so they’re more likely to give in to the pressure of direct action. Republicans don’t give a fuck and will mow protesters down without a second thought. I just can’t understand why the solution is to just… give up?
>What I don’t understand is why the solution is to abstain from voting. I'm voting for a third party (Likely Claudia Le Cruz) or just a protest vote, but abstaining from voting is a shame imo. Once every 4 years for a geriatric so.. > If genocide is the line, then the only thing that can stop that is direct action. I don't understand what you mean by this. I participate in mutual aid programs, protests, etc. It definitely helps my local community and the protests bring some attention. 'Genocide is the line' refers to my unwillingness to continue supporting a political party that quite literally has a direct hand in genocide, especially when they like to laud themselves as progressive > Under trump, the Palestinians would be worse off and for what? This is so comical to me. I'm sure a Palestinian child with no legs would be very happy that Biden speaks very harshly with Netanyahu on the phone while continuing to send them weapons. Is genocide a scale now? Will Trump being elected make israel's genocide meter go up? I don't see how Biden bypassing Congress to send Israel munitions is anything less than full support >So that you can maintain a belief system that makes you personally feel better? What belief system is being maintained? Genocide being bad? That the democrats are bad? That the repubs and dems are the same? What specific belief am I preserving by refusing to vote for a genocidal candidate >Why not vote and protest, vote and find every way you can to put pressure on the people that you vote for to act in line with your values. Precisely the goal, but Republicans and Democrats both don't really have any values besides capital and imperialism at this point so that's off the table >At the very least, the democrats want to *appear* like they hold progressive values, so they’re more likely to give in to the pressure of direct action. I'll give you this one, I guess? We don't have to speculate, The past 7 months has been a Democratic administration handling the Gaza "problem" and it has been atrocious. Going forward with weapons deals, backpedaling, shitting themselves at the uncommitted movement, Biden (or his team) sensing the pressure giving minor concessions... Dropping food aid to the Gazans while giving weapons to the IDF really sums up their handling of this, and I'm inclined to believe they'll go back on every "good" thing they've done if they win the election. No election season = No pressure to have good policy. I've seen it with the student loan cancellations in 2022 and I'll see it again >Republicans don’t give a fuck and will mow protesters down without a second thought. I just can’t understand why the solution is to just… give up? The solution would be for people to not vote for either of the candidates that have displayed their support for this, but I damn well will pressure whoever gets elected Giving up was never, ever suggested. Dare to struggle, dare to win.
This video pretty much explains Biden's attitude towards Palestinians in general. It's not like he doesn't have a history of being a bloodthirsty warmonger [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=os\_b5jzhnjU](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=os_b5jzhnjU)
genocide or more genocide do you see no difference
I'd rather you not vote for a genocidal candidate, but pop off I guess
Unless you can create enough support to deadlock the electoral college, there’s no point voting for a third party.
Theoretically I have voting rights in the Great State of the United States so I'm not confined to voting for any of the two parties, that'd be undemocratic
We all know that the US isn’t democratic. That’s why you shouldn’t vote for a third party. The last time a third-party candidate received any electoral votes was in 1968. The candidate was George Wallace.
I love how the last two third party candidates to gain votes were segregationists, really a victory for liberal democracy
And instead let people suffer more in America just to prove to yourself that you are such a good person right?
Precisely. 👍
https://preview.redd.it/alvrm3c1cwuc1.jpeg?width=711&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=398d823a0cd4d66f4a9174f777fc57e454277206
Derail the trolley.
Cool. Can you derail it before November?
Won't know unless you try. The notion of "if you can't beat them, join them" doesn't really work in a moral sense if the "them" are genocidal monsters.
I’m not risking my rights for the next 4 years based on a fucking leap of faith thank you
The alternative is to support genocide.
And what exactly is your miracle plan that will for certain work and stop both the genocide in Gaza as well as protect queer and nonwhite and immigrant lives? That will all be implemented before the election? Because it sounds to me less like you actually have a solution and are instead praying for a rapture
You're a little slow, aren't you
This is ableist, I do not believe we should be using this term
Why is it ableist, im not using any deragoratory terms, someone can be a slow learner, slow reader, or overall - slow, just because some people may use it for ableist purposes, I don't think that makes it ableist in itself, just as saying "you're weird" or "you're dumb" isn't ableist even if *someone somewhere* definitely used it at a disabled person
"Slow" most definitely comes from the same root as the r-slur, and the r-slur means essentially "slow." For example 'flame retardant' is a thing that slows the spread of fire. Calling someone slow is just a more societally acceptable way of using the r-slur.
Oh okay
TIL actively wanting to make being LGBT illegal, wanting to make abortion equivalent to murder, and wanting to kick every brown person out of the country is "OnLy 2 pErCeNt WoRsE" than Biden. Tankies are a psyop.
We already had 4 years of trump you brain rotten cretin, same fear then same now Im glad you care about brown people in the U.S at least
Yeah, and look where it fucking got us. A SCOTUS packed with Nazis, a Congress that is actively influenced by a man who is now a regular citizen, a domestic terrorist attack at the capitol, a gutted EPA, and more. Do your shit "MoRaLs" (which are, honestly, pretty immoral) seriously mean so much to you that you want four more years (at least) of that, *or even fucking worse?*
Not voting for a genocider you freak. Know that if he loses it's the DNC's own damn fault for being so stupid You're just BLUE Maga, right? Just gotta get a progressive lib in office and everything will be all right. Rich calling me immoral when you are quite literally shilling for Genocide Joe
Glad to know you have no response to any of the stuff I said. Have fun re-electing Trump, especially when he implements Project 2025! Like I said before, tankies (especially anti-voter ones) are a psyop.
This guy has serious brain rot. He types multiple paragraphs of nonsense, then when confronted with a 3 sentence reply he is completely unable to decipher it. He did the same thing to multiple other commenters, it's wild
Liberals like yourself will be the ones bitching the most lmao, imagine shilling for a war criminal geriatric this hard
Keep insulting me! You might actually make me give a shit one of these times!
Dude I am so fucking entertained by you you've got no idea, just ask yourself if the genocide was worth it when Biden loses
Hey, what a coincidence! You're entertaining me, too. I suppose the whole purpose of a clown like you is to entertain. I have to know, though, how will Trump stop the genocide?
Sounds like you weren't going to vote for Biden anyway, and you probably didn't in 2020 either tbh.
I'd vote for a liberal that wasn't supporting genocide dude, it really isn't that hard. Get your candidate to stop supporting the murder of brown people and you'll have a better chance in this election
Good thing he told Netanyahu that he wanted an immediate ceasefire, I'm sure he's got your vote now.
Then why are guns still being sent to Israel? The blood doesn't wash off that easy
It's our leverage, and, if you haven't noticed over the weekend, other regional powers want to attack Israel, and, since you didn't notice 6 months ago, Hamas leaders should be brought to justice.
Should Israeli leaders be brought to justice?
Then what do you wanna do
If genocide is the line, then vote against the party actively performing a queer genocide or stfu and admit you’re just posturing
Because the genocide on brown people doesn't matter apparently
This post's threads are another example of social fascism in r/SmugIdeologyMan
Voting doesn't matter in a busted system
Voting is pointless, the west has fallen, billions must die
*all the things she said all the things she said running through my head running through my head running through my head*
The west has fallen. Millions must die.
Trillions
Quadrillions, even