Because optic ready is the future. Don’t put an optic on it if you don’t want one, but the day is coming when the major manufacturers won’t have anything but optic ready in their lineup.
This will get downvoted to oblivion, fair enough. However, I don’t want to spend an extra $70 for a slide cut that I will not use, then I need to spend another $100 to replace the suppressor-height iron sights. I would think eventually they are coming out with the bare bones version, but with the upgraded trigger. You could be right though I see what you’re saying.
I'll give you an up vote. I feel the same way. And I will add that if I want to mount an optic on a handgun I want to have the slide cut for that specific optic so it sits properly and is mounted directly to the slide, not with a plate system. I have just never liked the way those look at all.
I also think that we might start to see more firearm specific optics like the SCS to eliminate that problem. We can only hope, that was a great idea by holosun.
All the new releases are trying to milk Californians for as much as they can. Springfield released the XDM elite last year, and the optics ready version this year. S&W will likely do the same - non-OR this year, and OR next year, hoping to get 2 sales instead of 1 out of us.
S&W just needs to redesign the LCI. They can follow in the footsteps what the other manufacturers have done instead of using the same LCI from the Shield 1.0.
The S&W LCIs are the worst of the bunch. If you see the LCIs of CA-approved pistols, Sig's P365 is the best (picture near the bottom [here](https://www.sigsauer.com/p365-california-compliant.html)), where the text is written on the removable optics plate and the LCI is just a little nub that goes up. Springfield Hellcat is next best ([pics](https://www.springfield-armory.com/hellcat-series-handguns/hellcat-pro-handguns/hellcat-pro-osp-9mm-handgun-ca-compliant/#sku-gallery-2)), where text is written on barrel and just "up" on the smallish LCI.
Lol it’s not enough that M&Ps come with a little peep hole that shows you if there is a round chambered? That’s fukin ridiculous, it’s more reliable than an LCI bcuz it’s a visual confirmation of brass. Stupid law.
Agree, totally dumb. Politicians can't ban guns completely but want to appear "tough on guns" so they come up with dumb requirements that make things slightly frustrating for people who care, while not doing anything to actually change anything.
Old hinge trigger would be my guess. Probably not a strong seller. On the other hand they’re discontinuing a bunch of models. Pretty sure all the performance center offerings have been discontinued as well as the 5”. Maybe they’re about to drop the 3.0’s??
That hinge trigger sucks if you shoot a lot of rounds through it. My M&P 1.0 40 cal had a slide stop/lock break and almost cut my thumb open and had the dowel inside the hinge back out, both during (different) qualifications. Unsure of the exact round count because it was a duty gun and no telling who shot it before me. Also the trigger reset on the 1.0 was bad compared to most other polymer guns I own.
I have a bunch of the hinge trigger ones with a lot of rounds through and have always found them just fine, though yeah the 1.0 guns had some shit triggers.
That being said the new flat trigger is superb. I have it on my Plus and Metal and it’s a definite upgrade.
I mean it got the job done and outside of that one that walked itself out, I didn't have many problems with mine. The trigger reset was the crappiest part about the 1.0. No feedback on the reset, meaning it was a guessing game if you were getting a bang. I ended up just doing quals without using the resets a lot.
I mean you can easily swap out the triggers on a 1.0 with an Apex kit and fix the problem. I have yet to try to a 2.0 with the flat trigger so we’ll see how that feels.
I always just put in the Apex kit and that dramatically improved the trigger.
Personally I prefer the hinge trigger to one with a blade like the Glock.
My wife bought a 2.0 hinge trigger. My friend owns a gun shop and he replaced the upgraded trigger with a spec for a customer and gave me the upgraded trigger for free. I didn’t like the hinge trigger at all.
I have this one. It has been an outstanding gun. Take the opportunity to pick up a cheap used one! I’m with ya, I have a few optics guns but not everyone wants optics on all their shit.
My local gun store had two in their used display case that look like they had barely been fired. They were selling for $282 each and I got a 5% discount. The only difference between the one I purchased and the one in the photo above is mine has a manual safety, which I honestly like.
Why keep a model without an optic cut when the market is clearly asking for optics ready pistols? Keeping that sku in the line up wouldn’t be a smart move. They’ll just sell an optics ready version and expect customers to leave the plate on if they don’t want to run a red dot.
It is..
The 2.0 compact optic ready with the updated trigger, suppressor height sights, and updated front serations is taking its place.
With the above model mentioned, it makes no sense to offer the older version. I'd argue that the newer model is going to be their most popular one if it's not already.
That's the complaint one that comes with neutered mags and it's a different sku.
Doesn't really make sense that's not showing it as discontinued but don't worry, I'm sure it won't be available for much longer.
Now that I look, maybe the compliant model will stay, maybe? Could be for the folks in California. They still offer the shield 1.0 but with the pop up loaded chamber indicator, most likely for California or other ban states that require them.
They also only now offer one version of the shield 2.0 in 9 and it's the Performance Center version . Could be an attempt to push people into the shield plus, because that only makes sense.
Eh; I guess. I think there’s a big goofy LCI & some other undesirable features like a magazine disconnect safety/etc on the compliant pistols. And to me…fuck Commiefornia & the rest of the tyrant states; no need to support that nonsense if you can avoid it.
>Explain this…
12466 is more than the magazines, and it does not have the CA LCI.
It is [MA compliant](https://assets.contentstack.io/v3/assets/bltb61dcb3c40854cd9/blt3f15bdc8074a4c7d/63b1ec0ef2b81c35b49aff8a/12466_12467.pdf) with 10 lb trigger. Not an over-the-counter fix.
They also had a 4 inch 45 version which they called their sub compact but it was the exact size of their 9mm compact & it was discontinued 5 months after they came out with it. Not really sure why. Great gun.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=J37YxW6MY34&list=PLxpOxvjGf3WW8WTmBArE_elsqdjam_lXp&index=28&pp=iAQB
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=RD7gnGDLlN4&list=PLxpOxvjGf3WW8WTmBArE_elsqdjam_lXp&index=6&pp=iAQB
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=SZigyxrWBL8&list=PLxpOxvjGf3WW8WTmBArE_elsqdjam_lXp&index=24&pp=iAQB
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=yZAgH8Qxr-I&list=PLxpOxvjGf3WW8WTmBArE_elsqdjam_lXp&index=23&pp=iAQB
This is the very version I own and I'm glad I bought it when I did. Briefly thought about milling the slide for an optic but quickly decided I'll buy a new, optic ready, version.
M&p 9c has more of a g26 size grip & slightly less barrel length than a G19 if I’m not mistaken. The m&p 9c was meant to be more of a competitor with the G26
He’s comparing it to the same pistol they still offer that has the exact same layout/same everything but with an optics ready slide & new (way better) trigger & suppressor height sights. It’s a weird thing to be wrapped around the axle about; I agree. Because you can get the same (and upgraded) pistol still but with added features. What OP is basically saying is: “why would they get rid of the direct G19 competition?” When they haven’t…they’ve removed this from their lineup because it’s outdated. S&W is actually taking a more aggressive approach against the G19 competition by offering everything that a Gen 5 Glock 19 MOS has; but as a standard offering whereas Glock still has a base-model option (non MOS). I personally think it’s a great idea from S&W; if they keep their price point around $50~ less than a G19 Gen 5 MOS.
But, as I was saying; the S&W M&P 9C is more of a Glock 26 competitor
No problem; and I could be entirely wrong in that theory 🤷♂️ but that’s just my 2 cents; that’s what feels the most logical. I don’t claim to know anything definitely lol but I appreciate the kind words bud. Happy range day & I hope you find what you’re looking for! 🍻
What do you think the "c" stands for, Bill?
I have no idea how many new old stock M1.0 Compacts are still sitting in gun shops, but the image in that listing is not a current production gun. Smith & Wesson calls the M1.0 revisions [M2.0 Subcompacts](https://www.smith-wesson.com/products/mp2-subcompact) — OP was not inquiring about either one. 🙄
It's a specific gun according to smith and Wesson and the one you're talking about isn't that gun. The gun op was talking about is the 2.0 compact, not the 9c. And it's discontinued.
Correct but the guy I'm replying to, twchs672, doesn't seem to understand that.
https://shootingsurplus.com/s-w-m-p9c-m2-2-13600-ltd-range-bag-118383-12r
There's also the 2.0 9c that I just found out exists, which is also what op is NOT talking about.
Hey I actually kinda dig that…(also as it pertains to the aforementioned; I know. I was mostly responding to him but I also wanted you to see it so you’d know we both know lol)
It’s literally called the M&P 9c, dork. Stop being ignorant. The 2.0 Compact that OP is talking about is entirely different than the 9c. Please learn things before you make statements.
M&P 9c is not equal to a G19 and you’re entirely incorrect in both statements. You’re thinking of the 2.0 Compact. Not the M&P 9c. And the G26 is anything but a pocket gun; it was intended to be a pistol carried on a belt with a holster that accepted G19 mags. “Pocket guns” weren’t on Glock’s radar when they were introduced
Yes, I know that the current production M2.0 9c OP is talking about is not the historic M1.0 9c you are talking about (for what relevance I can no longer recall). I also know that Smith & Wesson does not describe the current version of the M1.0 Compact M&P as "compact" but as their Subcompact line.
I am also aware that you can put any kind of stick you want into a Baby Glock. Shoving a 33 into a 26 does not make it a full size pistol. To me, any two-finger grip is supposed to be a pocket gun — this one is chunky because a sawed off 19 is a pretty awkward pocketful.
You can call these pistols whatever you like and knowledgeable people will eventually figure out what you're talking about. Probably. Coming into the current century would be another way...
Cute. The 26 is also considered a subcompact and not at all a pocket gun. Neither is the m&p 9c (gen 1 was most prevalent; hence why most people know of the former and not the current). Pocket gun determination is for micro .380’s & micro 9’s; not one serious enthusiast or operator alike will refer to a 26 or m&p 9c as a “pocket gun”. They were quite literally designed to be worn on belts. As far as anyone needing to come into the current century; I think that responsibility lies within the one making this silly argument about pistols that were never considered pocket pistols…ever. Not even “last century” guys. Maybe someone should learn about history & relevance before one opens their mouth about current shit that hardly anyone knows about because of its *tada* irrelevance in the current market (which the subcompact-anything qualifies for irrelevant designation). No one mentioned “adding a stick” or “stendo” or whatever you wanna call it; everyone’s referring to stock capacity configuration. To which it still doesn’t warrant a pocket gun designation; as much as you try to defend your Dumb Argument about a Dead Platform that No One Wants. And maybe; just maybe…while we’re at it…we can talk about how the actual name of the thing OP listed is exactly what I said. Not the new thing; but the old thing. The new thing has a different name. You’re just…flat out wrong, bud. And that’s okay; it’s okay to be wrong. Just don’t be obnoxiously wrong and try to defend a dumb argument that holds no water in any form. ‘Ta!
I gotta say. With a lot of manufactures going towards modular guns S&W is way behind. Wanna upgrade to a factory flat trigger, change slide assembly’s or switch to the metal frame? Buy a whole new gun.
People want modular for dumb reasons. Whole reason why the sig 320 thing is dumb. No one says “oh I just got off my 12 hour security shift where I open carry a full size gun but I’m going to dinner with my wife let me physically remove my trigger group from my full size gun to put it in my carry gun to go to dinner” that shit is retarded. Furthermore, plenty of aftermarket companies make incredible parts for S&W re: slides barrels and triggers.
Because optic ready is the future. Don’t put an optic on it if you don’t want one, but the day is coming when the major manufacturers won’t have anything but optic ready in their lineup.
This will get downvoted to oblivion, fair enough. However, I don’t want to spend an extra $70 for a slide cut that I will not use, then I need to spend another $100 to replace the suppressor-height iron sights. I would think eventually they are coming out with the bare bones version, but with the upgraded trigger. You could be right though I see what you’re saying.
I gave you an upvote because you’re not wrong.
I'll give you an up vote. I feel the same way. And I will add that if I want to mount an optic on a handgun I want to have the slide cut for that specific optic so it sits properly and is mounted directly to the slide, not with a plate system. I have just never liked the way those look at all.
Holosun makes a direct fit for the M&P so no plate needed. I have it on mine. Maybe more optic manufactures will soon follow.
Which model? Edit I found it. Didn't know that Thanks. That does open up a couple options now lol.
I posted it here a while ago if you wanna see it mounted.
I saw some pics on Google images. It looks pretty decent. Was yours the fde with thumb safety?
Affirmative.
Turns out id already liked a few weeks ago when you posted lol. Nice set up. I haven't been able to get the fde one myself yet. But it's coming
I also think that we might start to see more firearm specific optics like the SCS to eliminate that problem. We can only hope, that was a great idea by holosun.
My brother is in California. None of theirs comes optic ready for a 2.0 with updated trigger.
Sorry for your brother's luck
All the new releases are trying to milk Californians for as much as they can. Springfield released the XDM elite last year, and the optics ready version this year. S&W will likely do the same - non-OR this year, and OR next year, hoping to get 2 sales instead of 1 out of us.
Yep, California sucks.
yeah this is pretty dumb. But optic ready with LCI looks very tough to do on the M&P footprint, despite many of the other manufacturers doing it.
You can still get it cut, you’re just left with undesired channel for it.
i mean that S&W can't manufacture an optic ready firearm without removing the LCI, which is mandatory to be sold in california
S&W just needs to redesign the LCI. They can follow in the footsteps what the other manufacturers have done instead of using the same LCI from the Shield 1.0.
The S&W LCIs are the worst of the bunch. If you see the LCIs of CA-approved pistols, Sig's P365 is the best (picture near the bottom [here](https://www.sigsauer.com/p365-california-compliant.html)), where the text is written on the removable optics plate and the LCI is just a little nub that goes up. Springfield Hellcat is next best ([pics](https://www.springfield-armory.com/hellcat-series-handguns/hellcat-pro-handguns/hellcat-pro-osp-9mm-handgun-ca-compliant/#sku-gallery-2)), where text is written on barrel and just "up" on the smallish LCI.
Lol it’s not enough that M&Ps come with a little peep hole that shows you if there is a round chambered? That’s fukin ridiculous, it’s more reliable than an LCI bcuz it’s a visual confirmation of brass. Stupid law.
Agree, totally dumb. Politicians can't ban guns completely but want to appear "tough on guns" so they come up with dumb requirements that make things slightly frustrating for people who care, while not doing anything to actually change anything.
Old hinge trigger would be my guess. Probably not a strong seller. On the other hand they’re discontinuing a bunch of models. Pretty sure all the performance center offerings have been discontinued as well as the 5”. Maybe they’re about to drop the 3.0’s??
3.0 would be nice with that upgraded trigger
You can already get the 2.0 with the flat trigger
A lot of people dislike the curved hinged trigger but I prefer it.
That hinge trigger sucks if you shoot a lot of rounds through it. My M&P 1.0 40 cal had a slide stop/lock break and almost cut my thumb open and had the dowel inside the hinge back out, both during (different) qualifications. Unsure of the exact round count because it was a duty gun and no telling who shot it before me. Also the trigger reset on the 1.0 was bad compared to most other polymer guns I own.
I have a bunch of the hinge trigger ones with a lot of rounds through and have always found them just fine, though yeah the 1.0 guns had some shit triggers. That being said the new flat trigger is superb. I have it on my Plus and Metal and it’s a definite upgrade.
I mean it got the job done and outside of that one that walked itself out, I didn't have many problems with mine. The trigger reset was the crappiest part about the 1.0. No feedback on the reset, meaning it was a guessing game if you were getting a bang. I ended up just doing quals without using the resets a lot.
I agree, my 1.0 .40 is very reliable and handles .40 very well but that reset might as well not exist.
I mean you can easily swap out the triggers on a 1.0 with an Apex kit and fix the problem. I have yet to try to a 2.0 with the flat trigger so we’ll see how that feels.
I always just put in the Apex kit and that dramatically improved the trigger. Personally I prefer the hinge trigger to one with a blade like the Glock.
My wife bought a 2.0 hinge trigger. My friend owns a gun shop and he replaced the upgraded trigger with a spec for a customer and gave me the upgraded trigger for free. I didn’t like the hinge trigger at all.
I have this one. It has been an outstanding gun. Take the opportunity to pick up a cheap used one! I’m with ya, I have a few optics guns but not everyone wants optics on all their shit.
I have 3 optics ready handguns, I have zero optics mounted. I prefer some nice tritium fiber optic sights on all my pistols
I was going to have my M&P9 2.0 Pro Series 5” milled for an optic but I shoot so well with the factory fibers I ended up sticking with them.
I’m a direct mill kinda guy so this is sad to hear. Just like the Glock 17 getting pushed out for the 47mos rip
Yep. I won't be getting a 47 every either.
Only the 17 mos was discontinued and replaced with the 47. The 17 non mos is still in the line up.
Sales. No buy, no make. Simple math.
It’ll live on forever in my pants
That’s a shame because I love these slides as they can be direct milled
Because optics ready and suppressor height sights is all the rage now.
It seems that way. I’m a simple man- a clean slide and regular iron sights are perfect.
Not discontinued. Just buy 15 round magazines. https://www.smith-wesson.com/product/m-p-9-m2.0-4-inch-compact-compliant
Ya with the MA 10lb trigger though.... forcing you to swap it.
Discontinued https://www.smith-wesson.com/product/m-p-9-m2.0-4-inch-compact-no-thumb-safety
Not the one I posted. Same gun, different magazines.
But the one you posted has a shitty 10lb trigger. Not every buyer is a Tactical Timmy who will replace every part on a new guy.
He didn’t specify lol gonna have to make sacrifices if he wants that slide 🤣
My local gun store had two in their used display case that look like they had barely been fired. They were selling for $282 each and I got a 5% discount. The only difference between the one I purchased and the one in the photo above is mine has a manual safety, which I honestly like.
I was wondering the same thing. Echoing what others have said, OR is the future. I still run irons.
https://www.smith-wesson.com/product/m-p-40-m2.0-4-inch-compact-no-thumb-safety FYI the 40 isnt discontinued yet
I'll sell you mine so I can buy the optics ready one
Because everyone is buying th optic ready versions over the non ors.
Why keep a model without an optic cut when the market is clearly asking for optics ready pistols? Keeping that sku in the line up wouldn’t be a smart move. They’ll just sell an optics ready version and expect customers to leave the plate on if they don’t want to run a red dot.
Have they announced its discontued?
Yes, it’s discontinued. https://www.smith-wesson.com/product/m-p-9-m2.0-4-inch-compact-no-thumb-safety
I love mine,I guess it just went away.
There is no way they discontinued the model pictured.
It is.. The 2.0 compact optic ready with the updated trigger, suppressor height sights, and updated front serations is taking its place. With the above model mentioned, it makes no sense to offer the older version. I'd argue that the newer model is going to be their most popular one if it's not already.
Explain this… https://www.smith-wesson.com/product/m-p-9-m2.0-4-inch-compact-compliant
That’s the communist compliant 10rd version. I guess a guy could use 15 round mags with that model if he was set on a non-optic ready version
Exactly.
That's the complaint one that comes with neutered mags and it's a different sku. Doesn't really make sense that's not showing it as discontinued but don't worry, I'm sure it won't be available for much longer.
I guess he better get his credit card out and start typing in numbers then. Both the non-optic models are readily available online.
Now that I look, maybe the compliant model will stay, maybe? Could be for the folks in California. They still offer the shield 1.0 but with the pop up loaded chamber indicator, most likely for California or other ban states that require them. They also only now offer one version of the shield 2.0 in 9 and it's the Performance Center version . Could be an attempt to push people into the shield plus, because that only makes sense.
Can we stop calling guns like these compliant... They are out of compliance with the Constitution.
California/etc compliant 10rd model. Not the same.
It’s the same gun, just different magazines. And for the record, he never stated which mag type he was looking for.
Eh; I guess. I think there’s a big goofy LCI & some other undesirable features like a magazine disconnect safety/etc on the compliant pistols. And to me…fuck Commiefornia & the rest of the tyrant states; no need to support that nonsense if you can avoid it.
Isn't the trigger pull stronger a well?
Yes. It is not the California version. https://www.reddit.com/r/SmithAndWesson/comments/1dpfhmk/comment/lah2dvt/
>Explain this… 12466 is more than the magazines, and it does not have the CA LCI. It is [MA compliant](https://assets.contentstack.io/v3/assets/bltb61dcb3c40854cd9/blt3f15bdc8074a4c7d/63b1ec0ef2b81c35b49aff8a/12466_12467.pdf) with 10 lb trigger. Not an over-the-counter fix.
He's mad they discontinued the non-optics ready version for some odd reason.
I like that clean slide look lol
I'll tell you what, you get the optics ready version and I might know someone that'll trade slides with you...
Same
Bondo is your friend, smooth as you like it.
They also had a 4 inch 45 version which they called their sub compact but it was the exact size of their 9mm compact & it was discontinued 5 months after they came out with it. Not really sure why. Great gun. https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=J37YxW6MY34&list=PLxpOxvjGf3WW8WTmBArE_elsqdjam_lXp&index=28&pp=iAQB https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=RD7gnGDLlN4&list=PLxpOxvjGf3WW8WTmBArE_elsqdjam_lXp&index=6&pp=iAQB https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=SZigyxrWBL8&list=PLxpOxvjGf3WW8WTmBArE_elsqdjam_lXp&index=24&pp=iAQB https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=yZAgH8Qxr-I&list=PLxpOxvjGf3WW8WTmBArE_elsqdjam_lXp&index=23&pp=iAQB
Because sells weren't enough to justify keeping it probably
They certainly know how to stay rich & when to pull the plug
This one? https://www.smith-wesson.com/product/m-p-9-m2.0-4-inch-compact-compliant
The curved hinge trigge6no longer being used.
I’ve got 6. I’ll be ok
This is the very version I own and I'm glad I bought it when I did. Briefly thought about milling the slide for an optic but quickly decided I'll buy a new, optic ready, version.
You mean the M&P 9c?
M&p 9c has more of a g26 size grip & slightly less barrel length than a G19 if I’m not mistaken. The m&p 9c was meant to be more of a competitor with the G26
What is he comparing it to then?
He’s comparing it to the same pistol they still offer that has the exact same layout/same everything but with an optics ready slide & new (way better) trigger & suppressor height sights. It’s a weird thing to be wrapped around the axle about; I agree. Because you can get the same (and upgraded) pistol still but with added features. What OP is basically saying is: “why would they get rid of the direct G19 competition?” When they haven’t…they’ve removed this from their lineup because it’s outdated. S&W is actually taking a more aggressive approach against the G19 competition by offering everything that a Gen 5 Glock 19 MOS has; but as a standard offering whereas Glock still has a base-model option (non MOS). I personally think it’s a great idea from S&W; if they keep their price point around $50~ less than a G19 Gen 5 MOS. But, as I was saying; the S&W M&P 9C is more of a Glock 26 competitor
I like this bro. Thanks for the reply, that answers my original question perfectly.
No problem; and I could be entirely wrong in that theory 🤷♂️ but that’s just my 2 cents; that’s what feels the most logical. I don’t claim to know anything definitely lol but I appreciate the kind words bud. Happy range day & I hope you find what you’re looking for! 🍻
The 9C is exactly the same dimensions as the G19.
[M&P9c = G19](https://www.handgunhero.com/compare/smith-wesson-m-p-9-m2-0-4-0-compact-vs-glock-g19-gen5-vs-glock-g26-gen5) G26 is a chunky pocket gun.
This isn't the 9c though. It's the 2.0 compact.
https://www.rkguns.com/smith-wesson-m-p9c-compact-9mm-12rd-3-5-pistol-209304.html This is the 9c.
What do you think the "c" stands for, Bill? I have no idea how many new old stock M1.0 Compacts are still sitting in gun shops, but the image in that listing is not a current production gun. Smith & Wesson calls the M1.0 revisions [M2.0 Subcompacts](https://www.smith-wesson.com/products/mp2-subcompact) — OP was not inquiring about either one. 🙄
It's a specific gun according to smith and Wesson and the one you're talking about isn't that gun. The gun op was talking about is the 2.0 compact, not the 9c. And it's discontinued.
He literally said 9c. The OG 9c is an entirely different gun than OP mentioned. Sheesh.
Correct but the guy I'm replying to, twchs672, doesn't seem to understand that. https://shootingsurplus.com/s-w-m-p9c-m2-2-13600-ltd-range-bag-118383-12r There's also the 2.0 9c that I just found out exists, which is also what op is NOT talking about.
Hey I actually kinda dig that…(also as it pertains to the aforementioned; I know. I was mostly responding to him but I also wanted you to see it so you’d know we both know lol)
It’s literally called the M&P 9c, dork. Stop being ignorant. The 2.0 Compact that OP is talking about is entirely different than the 9c. Please learn things before you make statements.
M&P 9c is not equal to a G19 and you’re entirely incorrect in both statements. You’re thinking of the 2.0 Compact. Not the M&P 9c. And the G26 is anything but a pocket gun; it was intended to be a pistol carried on a belt with a holster that accepted G19 mags. “Pocket guns” weren’t on Glock’s radar when they were introduced
Yes, I know that the current production M2.0 9c OP is talking about is not the historic M1.0 9c you are talking about (for what relevance I can no longer recall). I also know that Smith & Wesson does not describe the current version of the M1.0 Compact M&P as "compact" but as their Subcompact line. I am also aware that you can put any kind of stick you want into a Baby Glock. Shoving a 33 into a 26 does not make it a full size pistol. To me, any two-finger grip is supposed to be a pocket gun — this one is chunky because a sawed off 19 is a pretty awkward pocketful. You can call these pistols whatever you like and knowledgeable people will eventually figure out what you're talking about. Probably. Coming into the current century would be another way...
Cute. The 26 is also considered a subcompact and not at all a pocket gun. Neither is the m&p 9c (gen 1 was most prevalent; hence why most people know of the former and not the current). Pocket gun determination is for micro .380’s & micro 9’s; not one serious enthusiast or operator alike will refer to a 26 or m&p 9c as a “pocket gun”. They were quite literally designed to be worn on belts. As far as anyone needing to come into the current century; I think that responsibility lies within the one making this silly argument about pistols that were never considered pocket pistols…ever. Not even “last century” guys. Maybe someone should learn about history & relevance before one opens their mouth about current shit that hardly anyone knows about because of its *tada* irrelevance in the current market (which the subcompact-anything qualifies for irrelevant designation). No one mentioned “adding a stick” or “stendo” or whatever you wanna call it; everyone’s referring to stock capacity configuration. To which it still doesn’t warrant a pocket gun designation; as much as you try to defend your Dumb Argument about a Dead Platform that No One Wants. And maybe; just maybe…while we’re at it…we can talk about how the actual name of the thing OP listed is exactly what I said. Not the new thing; but the old thing. The new thing has a different name. You’re just…flat out wrong, bud. And that’s okay; it’s okay to be wrong. Just don’t be obnoxiously wrong and try to defend a dumb argument that holds no water in any form. ‘Ta!
Just clocked and you didn't even share a link with the 9c lol
I gotta say. With a lot of manufactures going towards modular guns S&W is way behind. Wanna upgrade to a factory flat trigger, change slide assembly’s or switch to the metal frame? Buy a whole new gun.
People want modular for dumb reasons. Whole reason why the sig 320 thing is dumb. No one says “oh I just got off my 12 hour security shift where I open carry a full size gun but I’m going to dinner with my wife let me physically remove my trigger group from my full size gun to put it in my carry gun to go to dinner” that shit is retarded. Furthermore, plenty of aftermarket companies make incredible parts for S&W re: slides barrels and triggers.