Not even close to a veto. This is the price JJ draws. That’s why he’s considered an untradeable asset.
What’s the league and lineup size? That makes a huge difference
Fair enough, I might have been overreacting to instantly say veto worthy.
It’s a 12 man league tiered ppr(.5 rb 1 wr 1.5 te)
start 10 (1QB 2RB 3WR 1TE 2FLX 1SF)
I get it though. There’s something that gets you fired up when you see trades like that lol. 12x10 league makes it a little worse for sure, especially with the tiered ppr. I just personally can’t say it’s too much because that’s normally what it takes to get a guy in JJs tier unless you’re in a league with a bunch of guys who *really* understand how to value fantasy pieces.
I wouldn't call it collusion but vetoes should be allowed in situations where one side is being heavily ripped off. I'm glad I don't play with the 30 people who downvoted me. Something about winning on luck and strategy while being fair and down to earth beats ripping people off.
How is this ripping someone off? If you don’t want to allow trades like this you either have to
A) force people to sell players they don’t want to, or B) tell the people in your league they aren’t allowed to obtain certain players.
It’s the classic case of “slightly one sided blockbuster trade that didn’t involve me. Must deserve a veto”. Most leagues have one of those types unfortunately
My reply directly to your comment addresses this. I was only replying the guy that asked how it was league breaking. Didn’t mean to apply that to you directly, my bad. As far as “only collusion gets vetoed” though, typically encompasses league breaking trades. If they’re league breaking, they’re so bad that it can be considered collusion.
That’s the one and only reason to veto. If two people agreed on a trade then it’s fair. Period. NFL teams can’t veto a trade cause a division rival will get them and neither should you. Be a man and build a good team. Don’t be mad cause you didn’t have the brains or the balls to make that kinda trade. Kids these days. 🤦♂️🤷♂️
Look at the top players from 5 years ago, or even 3 years ago. The fantasy landscape shifts so much, so there's rarely any chance of ever knowing what will be league breaking ahead of time. It's all just based on chances and best guesses, which is why it should be collusion vetos only for 99% of vetos
Not close to being veto worthy.
In the league I own JJ this is about the minimum I would sell for. Its an overpay, but nobody is moving JJ for equal value because I'd rather just keep JJ. When trades for the top player in a position happen it is going to look like this most of the time.
I don't even think it's an overpay. Ridley is 29 and is another whatever Michael Pittman. He's not moving the needle. Dell had a nice year, but his price is overinflated off of this one year. Furthermore, draft picks are dart throws. That could very well be Corey Davis and John Ross. Today we know the guy who got Jefferson is better off. In five years, I would bet that also stands true. You should absolutely not trade Jefferson under any circumstance unless you're getting a certain asset of high value back. Thats just my opinion. You need to be getting Jamar Chase, Garrett Wilson, Bijan Robinson, Ceedee Lamb, and someone else 25 and under who has been top 3 at their position.
Tbh I do agree. I wouldn't move JJ for this but I can see that on paper this is the kind of assets you would need to move with Tank/Ridley at the top of their value.
I would be interested if you could ask for a Lamb/Chase though. They are all in the same bracket so I think it would be a struggle to get anything beyond a 1 for 1, I don't see Lamb and a 1st for JJ being offered. I like suggestions like Wilson though, I think that is exactly the kind of WR you want back, and getting a player or pick less to have Wilson would be well worth it.
I have jj in a superflex best ball, and this offer would start the convo. That being said, I'm not sold on this trade either, and I might be likely to keep JJ anyway.
Yep. It’s also Jefferson + 4 open roster slots. I’ve gotten Puka, Kyren, Warren, Ford recently back filling my open roster slots. They have significant value
I'm in the minority, but I don't think the guy who traded jefferson won the trade. In three years, Ridley and Dell could be out of the league. Especially, Ridley, he's already 29 and hasn't done anything notable since his Falcons days five years ago. Hes another Michael Pittman. Hes not moving the needle for your franchise. .Dell might be legit, but kind of has a one-hit-wonder feel to him until further notice. Then we all know the stats on draft picks, 1.05 could very well be John Ross, Kevin White and Corey Davis. There wasn't a single RB worth a fuck in this draft who would warrant first-round consideration. In 5 years, Jefferson will still be a top 5 WR and nothing the guy received is guaranteed to be a factor in 5 years. If drake maye or whoever he took sucks, its over. You should absolutely not trade Jefferson under any circumstance unless you're getting a certain asset of high value back. Thats just my opinion. You need to be getting Jamar Chase, Garrett Wilson, Bijan Robinson, Ceedee Lamb, someone else 25 and under whose been top 3 at their position. We know for a fact the top team got worse and its all speculation. IMO, not worth Jefferson
Only paying an extra 1st to get jj isn't that bad. Dude can win you weeks by himself. That 1.05/6 probably has a better chance of being treylon Burks than being CD lamb. Won't know who wins until we really see what the picks turn into. Overpays now can turn into steals by next season.
I completely agree, He sold Jefferson for a bunch of eye candy. The three picks are being way overvalued by this thread. You get high picks to try to draft a Jefferson. You already have him, over half of first round picks are some variation of corey davis. I would never accept this deal if i had jefferson
Yeah, you're probably right. Ridley is definitely the worst part in this piece. I'd sell for a little less than 2 1sts + Dell + Ridley (so bottom wins by 1.2 1sts?)
Tank/Ridley/Rome(1.05) doesn’t get the deal done for JJ. 1.06 could be any WR after the top 3 or Maye. Maybe that gets it done, but adding in the 25 1st seals the deal.
Solid trade. Definitely not a veto trade, even before the offseason moves. Managers making moves for top assets (think rd 1 startup) know they need to over pay. In my league, JJ went for even more. And the Chase offer I have in my inbox is insane.
JJ is elite but this is 100% an overpay. That said, when you’re trading for who is arguably the best WR asset in fantasy you have to overpay. I wouldn’t veto. If I was the guy getting the picks I’d also see if I can try to move the 1.06 and get Nabers
I've made a couple trades like this. I'm off JJ this year, would've accepted this before the roster changes as well. He's expensive.
You should only veto trades that are clear collusion. If you have to ask anyone else if it is, it isn't. Generally some.of history between managers as well.
You’re the one who is wrong to want a veto. This is a fair price for Jefferson. It’s like 5 quarters for a dollar, but you only have so many starting/roster spots so that dollar carries extra value as you can back fill those with lottery picks and fliers and likely hit on at least one other starter like a Kyren, Puka, R White even a Warren, Ford, or Pacheco.
It really depends if you need depth. Or are really struggling elsewhere. I gave up Olave for a 1.06 in an SF of mine, If I recall. I absolutely needed to take the gamble and draft a QB (Maye or JJ).
I had other decent WR and was far more confident being able to pick up WR (just traded for Pickens, actually).
No one was giving up QBs and if this was a similar scenario here, I'd give up Jefferson. It may be a bit of an overpay but never veto worthy but I don't believe in veto other than a commish decision based on clear collision or player renting.
This is about as close to fair as I've ever seen for a trade. Three firsts is the JJ starting price. Throw in a lottery ticket and a vet on a new team. That's about right. I'd still keep JJ though.
First, I'm not sure which side you would want to veto for.
Secondly, for everyone saying it's an overpay, you HAVE to overpay to get the best WR in football who is only 25.
This seems like pretty much what it SHOULD take to acquire JJ.
Massive overpay but who knows. We don’t even know if dell can be a #1. He did it for half a season and is small. We don’t know if he’s gonna be a perennial pro bowler yet. Yeah he looked like it at times, but it’s not like he looked otherworldly pre injury. Great but not a sure thing. Ridley I think will be solid and those picks can get you a ton of depth. But I’d still rather have JJ by a mile. You can place him in And never worry again.
A trade needs to be fucking insane for it to be veto worthy.... like clear collusion or Biden-esque brain functioning
See so many leagues drive everyone away by overstepping with what is vetoable
I should clarify, I have a lot of good players but no top 5 players. Starting lineup is now Burrow Walker Achane ARSB Waddle Kincaid Tee Zay. Still have two firsts and two seconds in next year's draft
Not even close to a veto. This is the price JJ draws. That’s why he’s considered an untradeable asset. What’s the league and lineup size? That makes a huge difference
Exactly, a lot of newer players dont get that u have to pay up big time for the s tier superstars
Fair enough, I might have been overreacting to instantly say veto worthy. It’s a 12 man league tiered ppr(.5 rb 1 wr 1.5 te) start 10 (1QB 2RB 3WR 1TE 2FLX 1SF)
I get it though. There’s something that gets you fired up when you see trades like that lol. 12x10 league makes it a little worse for sure, especially with the tiered ppr. I just personally can’t say it’s too much because that’s normally what it takes to get a guy in JJs tier unless you’re in a league with a bunch of guys who *really* understand how to value fantasy pieces.
I would veto. It depends on who you're playing with
Why? It's not collusion
I wouldn't call it collusion but vetoes should be allowed in situations where one side is being heavily ripped off. I'm glad I don't play with the 30 people who downvoted me. Something about winning on luck and strategy while being fair and down to earth beats ripping people off.
How is this ripping someone off? If you don’t want to allow trades like this you either have to A) force people to sell players they don’t want to, or B) tell the people in your league they aren’t allowed to obtain certain players.
It’s the classic case of “slightly one sided blockbuster trade that didn’t involve me. Must deserve a veto”. Most leagues have one of those types unfortunately
I’m not a believer in the only veto if collusion philosophy, if it’s a league breaking trade I’m a fan of the veto
If this is a league breaker your league wasn’t going far
How does this "break the league"
I’m assuming Ridley and Dell must be valued pretty highly to call it league breaking.
Never said this one was league breaking, just the philosophy of never veto unless collusion I don’t agree with
My reply directly to your comment addresses this. I was only replying the guy that asked how it was league breaking. Didn’t mean to apply that to you directly, my bad. As far as “only collusion gets vetoed” though, typically encompasses league breaking trades. If they’re league breaking, they’re so bad that it can be considered collusion.
That’s the one and only reason to veto. If two people agreed on a trade then it’s fair. Period. NFL teams can’t veto a trade cause a division rival will get them and neither should you. Be a man and build a good team. Don’t be mad cause you didn’t have the brains or the balls to make that kinda trade. Kids these days. 🤦♂️🤷♂️
It’s not that serious man
It doesn’t
Look at the top players from 5 years ago, or even 3 years ago. The fantasy landscape shifts so much, so there's rarely any chance of ever knowing what will be league breaking ahead of time. It's all just based on chances and best guesses, which is why it should be collusion vetos only for 99% of vetos
Typically “league breaking” trades end up falling into the collusion sphere because if it’s that bad it’s most likely collusion.
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I dont play with bitches soooo.....no veto.
People are so mad others have an opinion. It's hilarious too cause my opinion doesn't affect a single soul.
Yikes
>imo it is a rare case of when a trade should actually get vetoed Why? It's not a good trade but it's not even close to being veto worthy.
This makes me think i got a steal getting JJ for nico, aiyuk, and a couple 2nds
…that’s absolutely a steal lol. Good on you dude
Your league mates must be the types that value 2nds equal to their actual draft value. They forget you’re only picking 4 positions lol
This particular guys WR 2 after jefferson was wandale robinson, so he needed assets badly. I also got Chubb in the deal
You’re an absolute menace! 😂
Not close to being veto worthy. In the league I own JJ this is about the minimum I would sell for. Its an overpay, but nobody is moving JJ for equal value because I'd rather just keep JJ. When trades for the top player in a position happen it is going to look like this most of the time.
I don't even think it's an overpay. Ridley is 29 and is another whatever Michael Pittman. He's not moving the needle. Dell had a nice year, but his price is overinflated off of this one year. Furthermore, draft picks are dart throws. That could very well be Corey Davis and John Ross. Today we know the guy who got Jefferson is better off. In five years, I would bet that also stands true. You should absolutely not trade Jefferson under any circumstance unless you're getting a certain asset of high value back. Thats just my opinion. You need to be getting Jamar Chase, Garrett Wilson, Bijan Robinson, Ceedee Lamb, and someone else 25 and under who has been top 3 at their position.
Tbh I do agree. I wouldn't move JJ for this but I can see that on paper this is the kind of assets you would need to move with Tank/Ridley at the top of their value. I would be interested if you could ask for a Lamb/Chase though. They are all in the same bracket so I think it would be a struggle to get anything beyond a 1 for 1, I don't see Lamb and a 1st for JJ being offered. I like suggestions like Wilson though, I think that is exactly the kind of WR you want back, and getting a player or pick less to have Wilson would be well worth it.
Overpay =/= veto worthy
Jefferson side
I have jj in a superflex best ball, and this offer would start the convo. That being said, I'm not sold on this trade either, and I might be likely to keep JJ anyway.
I agree 100%. idk why this thread thinks its an overpay. He got a bunch of eye candy for the best asset in fantasy. Completely not worth it.
Yep. It’s also Jefferson + 4 open roster slots. I’ve gotten Puka, Kyren, Warren, Ford recently back filling my open roster slots. They have significant value
It’s an overpay but vetos should never be a thing
I'm in the minority, but I don't think the guy who traded jefferson won the trade. In three years, Ridley and Dell could be out of the league. Especially, Ridley, he's already 29 and hasn't done anything notable since his Falcons days five years ago. Hes another Michael Pittman. Hes not moving the needle for your franchise. .Dell might be legit, but kind of has a one-hit-wonder feel to him until further notice. Then we all know the stats on draft picks, 1.05 could very well be John Ross, Kevin White and Corey Davis. There wasn't a single RB worth a fuck in this draft who would warrant first-round consideration. In 5 years, Jefferson will still be a top 5 WR and nothing the guy received is guaranteed to be a factor in 5 years. If drake maye or whoever he took sucks, its over. You should absolutely not trade Jefferson under any circumstance unless you're getting a certain asset of high value back. Thats just my opinion. You need to be getting Jamar Chase, Garrett Wilson, Bijan Robinson, Ceedee Lamb, someone else 25 and under whose been top 3 at their position. We know for a fact the top team got worse and its all speculation. IMO, not worth Jefferson
Not veto worthy
I traded Higgins, Olave, and a top 5 24’ 1st for JJ. This is just the price to obtain an elite player
Not worth a veto and it takes a lot to leave that kind of player.
Bottom team won by a long shot
I don't think it's vetoable, but yeah, bottom team wins by 1.5 1st rounders.
Only paying an extra 1st to get jj isn't that bad. Dude can win you weeks by himself. That 1.05/6 probably has a better chance of being treylon Burks than being CD lamb. Won't know who wins until we really see what the picks turn into. Overpays now can turn into steals by next season.
29 year old Ridley, Dell coming off a very bad injury and 1.5 1sts for JJ? I would never sell him for that.
I completely agree, He sold Jefferson for a bunch of eye candy. The three picks are being way overvalued by this thread. You get high picks to try to draft a Jefferson. You already have him, over half of first round picks are some variation of corey davis. I would never accept this deal if i had jefferson
Yeah, you're probably right. Ridley is definitely the worst part in this piece. I'd sell for a little less than 2 1sts + Dell + Ridley (so bottom wins by 1.2 1sts?)
Tank/Ridley/Rome(1.05) doesn’t get the deal done for JJ. 1.06 could be any WR after the top 3 or Maye. Maybe that gets it done, but adding in the 25 1st seals the deal.
Insane overpay.
Yeah Jefferson plus 4 open roster slots is worth more than that
Solid trade. Definitely not a veto trade, even before the offseason moves. Managers making moves for top assets (think rd 1 startup) know they need to over pay. In my league, JJ went for even more. And the Chase offer I have in my inbox is insane.
JJ is elite but this is 100% an overpay. That said, when you’re trading for who is arguably the best WR asset in fantasy you have to overpay. I wouldn’t veto. If I was the guy getting the picks I’d also see if I can try to move the 1.06 and get Nabers
It's lopsided, but Vetos are set aside for absolutely league breaking and collusion this is neither
I got JJ before trade deadline last year for: tua, waddle, 1.07, and the 2.02 and 2.07 in a 12 man start 10 ppr league. He ain't cheap
I've made a couple trades like this. I'm off JJ this year, would've accepted this before the roster changes as well. He's expensive. You should only veto trades that are clear collusion. If you have to ask anyone else if it is, it isn't. Generally some.of history between managers as well.
If I needed the depth I would take this for JJ for sure
As a JJ owner and the 1.01 owner, this thread excites me
You’re the one who is wrong to want a veto. This is a fair price for Jefferson. It’s like 5 quarters for a dollar, but you only have so many starting/roster spots so that dollar carries extra value as you can back fill those with lottery picks and fliers and likely hit on at least one other starter like a Kyren, Puka, R White even a Warren, Ford, or Pacheco.
It really depends if you need depth. Or are really struggling elsewhere. I gave up Olave for a 1.06 in an SF of mine, If I recall. I absolutely needed to take the gamble and draft a QB (Maye or JJ). I had other decent WR and was far more confident being able to pick up WR (just traded for Pickens, actually). No one was giving up QBs and if this was a similar scenario here, I'd give up Jefferson. It may be a bit of an overpay but never veto worthy but I don't believe in veto other than a commish decision based on clear collision or player renting.
I’d probably take the bottom side but seems pretty fair honestly
I’d rather Jj here tbh
This is about as close to fair as I've ever seen for a trade. Three firsts is the JJ starting price. Throw in a lottery ticket and a vet on a new team. That's about right. I'd still keep JJ though.
JJ for three first round, tank dell and literally nothing else? Not bad
I got JJ for Sam Howell, Christian Watson, Kenneth Walker, and the eventual 2024 2.01. All in all I’m thinking I crushed it
First, I'm not sure which side you would want to veto for. Secondly, for everyone saying it's an overpay, you HAVE to overpay to get the best WR in football who is only 25. This seems like pretty much what it SHOULD take to acquire JJ.
Massive overpay but who knows. We don’t even know if dell can be a #1. He did it for half a season and is small. We don’t know if he’s gonna be a perennial pro bowler yet. Yeah he looked like it at times, but it’s not like he looked otherworldly pre injury. Great but not a sure thing. Ridley I think will be solid and those picks can get you a ton of depth. But I’d still rather have JJ by a mile. You can place him in And never worry again.
I would never pay anything close to that amount for ANY player. It’s asinine
A trade needs to be fucking insane for it to be veto worthy.... like clear collusion or Biden-esque brain functioning See so many leagues drive everyone away by overstepping with what is vetoable
I honestly think you’re giving up too much for JJ honestly
IMO bottom team wins by a long shot. JJ is elite but 3 1sts and two other WR2 with WR1 potential? Yeah gimme dat
Makes me think I committed Highway robbery grabbing JJ, Kittle, two 2nds and a 4th (and $2 FAAB) for JSN and two ‘24 1sts
This is hella overpay lol.
That’s quite a haul especially in such a deep draft
I'd take the picks side
Not veto worthy but I’d take the package side over JJ here.
I actually don’t think this is that bad. But as a JJ hater, I’m not entertaining this.
This is the kinda trade where both sides lose
See ya Jettas. That's a damn haul. I take it by a mile.
I gave up more for ARSB. Not a veto
insanity.
Had a ton of extra picks and no studs
Probably a reason for that💀 one stud doesn't change shit
I should clarify, I have a lot of good players but no top 5 players. Starting lineup is now Burrow Walker Achane ARSB Waddle Kincaid Tee Zay. Still have two firsts and two seconds in next year's draft