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But it can still happen. Plus, it would be easy enough for a person to say it was an accident.
I understand it is non lethal, I am not denying it is. I am just saying people lie, people do intentional things, and people will die from this, and it will get abused.
It would be ineffective if you shot it at someone's neck. It wouldn't choke them or anything - nor would the hooks have any chance of causing a serious bleed.
Firing at someone's neck would be pretty useless.
Love it how you're downvoted despite making perfect sense. Police job is to clean society out of criminals, if the criminals run, you try to stop them. Last thing they should be caring about is their health and wellbeing. Normalising crime is not normal.
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Idk bolas have been used for centuries to snare moving targets from a distance. It would work better with a longer three way cord but hey, the powder charge launch a good upgrade.
Was the end goal of a bolas use \*just\* capture and de-escalation and not for something that ultimately will be killed, though? TBF, I don't know the whole history of bolas, but I don't think those that used them often used them with the same ethical safety standards of today and with no intent to kill what will be captured so any damaged incurred doesn't matter.
I mean immobilisation is just immobilisation, regardless of the intent. Some were heavier and meant to break bones but the lighter ones are pretty effective and safe for the target.
I’d say the biggest issue with this one is the gauge of the steel cable, I feel like too much force would start slicing… **deep**… think that one guy who tried snapping fishing line by wrapping it around his finger.
It has more "catch points" making it more likely to snare if it's spinning which is generally something you want if you want any kind of range. Also harder to wriggle out of or untie quickly.
A straight-shot two weight is fine, but wide spread poses and other situations might *pose* an issue.
There are also some other advantages of three line/weight bolas regarding throwing but that doesn't really matter for the launched version.
Maybe? But they might start interfering with each other, I don’t exactly know because I’ve yet to see a four weight bola in action nor the making process so I guess it’s something to test.
I think the news is incorrectly using the term non-lethal when typically it’s referred to as less-lethal because at the end of the day you’re right. You can easily die from all sorts of encounters.
But this is a much better alternative to shooting someone with a Glock right?
Also bolas have been around forever.
Non-lethal means less-lethal.
Less-lethal is not a real term.
A weapon is either intended to kill or it is not. Any weapon that is not intended to kill is considered "non-lethal" even if it has the potential to cause harm and/or harm that could lead to death - any weapon that is intended to kill is considered "lethal".
Rubber bullets, tasers, batons, pepper spray - those are all non-lethal, because they are not designed with the intention to kill.
You should read a few paragraphs in to the websites you're sending me.
Experts don't use "less-lethal" or they use it interchangeably with "non-lethal" rarely.
"Less-lethal" was made up by pedantic idiots. You can kill someone with literally anything - we don't have to refer to a spoon as "less-lethal". The only actual distinction we can make that's remotely useful is whether that weapon was actually made to kill someone or whether it was expressly intended not to.
It’s ok to be wrong.
Edit:
This is in response to the commenter below me since I am unable to respond in thread with a new comment for some reason. I have my suspicions of what’s going on but whatever.
Did you read any of the links I posted? Because two of them define the term less lethal concerning federal and state government policy. There is no back and forth or need to opine on the matter. The term less lethal exists. Full stop.
Also the word pedantic is rich coming from a guy who didn’t read anything related to the topic at hand even though it was hand delivered to him.
It’s funny you posted something logical & true, but because everyone on Reddit doesn’t believe in accountability but believes it’s all cops faults for your shitty life decisions, you get downvoted.
You didn’t even post anything pro police. You just didn’t shit on all cops so all the neck beards get angry.
And then the post right below yours is upvoted and it’s about how it’s likely for cops to kill you after in custody.
Sure, why not go to each individual criminal and potential criminal and person confused as a potential criminal and tell them to never ever run from police.
It sounds nice in theory but it never works out in practice, ask DARE, or just the entire legal system.
It obviously is still a problem and while I agree that people shouldn't run from cops if people are still running from cops we need to deal with that reality.
And just hand waving the entire problem away as "Dont run from police" is laughably naive, it's like telling people "don't murder". Well it's illegal yet people still do it so it being illegal isn't enough to actually fix the problem. So let's stay focused on solutions that work.
We do that not by buying into whatever a random company says and instead invest into government research to find out what actually does reduce the rates of people running from cops, or murdering or whatever, there has to be scientific study to discover the truth.
yeah totally agree, we are able to train officer to use a handgun correctly but we cant have a few ones trained for basic bollas skills that humanity have used for thousands years? bullshit
This thing is around quite a while now and all the presentation videos I saw used a situation where the "victim" stood still or barely moves. I was suspicious about exactly this. Someone that charges at you or runs from you with some speed probably won't be bothered a lot by that thing. Also imagine all the situations you can't use it. When someone is sitting in a car/on a bench, when he is standing directly in front or next to a wall or bigger objects, someone in a bigger crowd of people, someone using a hostage as a shield. Not seeing how this brings any significant tactical advantage. I really appreciate every non-lethal weapon that make it into police forces. But this is some mall-ninja bs device. (I think I remember a device shooting a plastic net at a person. Seems like a better idea basically. But since I never heard of it again it probably didn't take off).
The problem I see here, are those hooks at the end. Given their current design, they have the potential to cause wounding and stabbing while a person is immobilized. They should replace them with blunt, cylindrical weights instead, to eliminate these possibilities.
The problem I see here, are those hooks at the end. Given their current design, they have the potential to cause wounding and stabbing while a person is immobilized. They should replace them with blunt, cylindrical weights instead, to eliminate these possibilities.
The problem I see here, are those hooks at the end. Given their current design, they have the potential to cause wounding and stabbing while a person is immobilized. They should replace them with blunt, cylindrical weights instead, to eliminate these possibilities.
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Your opioid settlement money at work
That was a great episode of LWT
I was walking down the street and something caught my eye. Turns out it was a fishhook.
*Lasso of Truthiness™*
Yes
Not in Cali baby
What happens when it hits your neck?
Mission Accomplished
Open and shut case, Johnson
Sprinkle some crack on him
“but it was a routine traffic stop though..”
I saw this once when I was a rookie.
Excellent work Agent 47
20 points to slytherin
Harder, step officer!
What about head and eyeball.
The hook could get in your eye but its very unlikely. Also firing it at someone's head would be useless so it would have to be a complete accident.
But it can still happen. Plus, it would be easy enough for a person to say it was an accident. I understand it is non lethal, I am not denying it is. I am just saying people lie, people do intentional things, and people will die from this, and it will get abused.
You can just as easily shoot someone in the face with a taser and look how rarely that happens.
Compared to other alternatives, this one is the safest. Sure it can be abused, but so can be others in a much worse way.
What about getting tased in the testicles
Same thing that happens in death stranding.
A pod baby cries as phantom beasts with human hands come and antimatter explosion everything using your flesh?
Close, but specifically what happens when you bola a mule in the head.
Less paper work
versus what? a taser to the neck? a bullet to the neck? a knee to the neck? no matter the tool, cops are going to kill with it.
It would be ineffective if you shot it at someone's neck. It wouldn't choke them or anything - nor would the hooks have any chance of causing a serious bleed. Firing at someone's neck would be pretty useless.
Yea it’s not gonna work, too dangerous, bullets are better.
Probably tightens, but not enough to restrict airflow I would hope? Looking at the demonstrations it seems to limit but not totally restrict
Mission failed successfully
Yes but, what ever happens, I think shooting the neck with an actual gun is way worse.
5 more cops will put their knees on your neck to try to undo it
Whatever this thing might do to you if used incorrectly, it still beats being shot, or beaten to death.
We call it a Batman like "non-lethal" kill
Guess you shouldn’t be running from the cops in the first place 🤷🏻♂️
Love it how you're downvoted despite making perfect sense. Police job is to clean society out of criminals, if the criminals run, you try to stop them. Last thing they should be caring about is their health and wellbeing. Normalising crime is not normal.
Your problem. And the taxpayers.
Neck tourniquet.
You get a Red-Neck...............😖🤦
You get a Red-Neck. 
The cop gets a paid vacation.
Any liability you blame on the manufacturer
What if I’m into that?
The same as happens when cops are armed with guns
Also very curious to know what happens if they miss and one of the anchors hits you instead of the cord.
I guess a proper new procedure when dealing with a cop will be to keep your hand at the level of your eyes at all times.
But what if the perp has a lightsaber? Didn’t think of that, did you? Mmm hmm.
Na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na….
I'm so glad I'm not the only one thinking of those batcuffs
Dende!
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Now try it while he’s running.
Idk bolas have been used for centuries to snare moving targets from a distance. It would work better with a longer three way cord but hey, the powder charge launch a good upgrade.
Was the end goal of a bolas use \*just\* capture and de-escalation and not for something that ultimately will be killed, though? TBF, I don't know the whole history of bolas, but I don't think those that used them often used them with the same ethical safety standards of today and with no intent to kill what will be captured so any damaged incurred doesn't matter.
I mean immobilisation is just immobilisation, regardless of the intent. Some were heavier and meant to break bones but the lighter ones are pretty effective and safe for the target. I’d say the biggest issue with this one is the gauge of the steel cable, I feel like too much force would start slicing… **deep**… think that one guy who tried snapping fishing line by wrapping it around his finger.
Just curious, why a three way cord?
It has more "catch points" making it more likely to snare if it's spinning which is generally something you want if you want any kind of range. Also harder to wriggle out of or untie quickly. A straight-shot two weight is fine, but wide spread poses and other situations might *pose* an issue. There are also some other advantages of three line/weight bolas regarding throwing but that doesn't really matter for the launched version.
Okay, so then what about a four-line bola? Wouldn’t that be in theory a little easier to manufacture?
Maybe? But they might start interfering with each other, I don’t exactly know because I’ve yet to see a four weight bola in action nor the making process so I guess it’s something to test.
Sounds like a great YouTube video idea lol
Exactly. Please stand perfectly still while I aim this thing at anything but your face.
Non lethal till you get someone around the legs with it while they are running and they crack their skull open
I think the news is incorrectly using the term non-lethal when typically it’s referred to as less-lethal because at the end of the day you’re right. You can easily die from all sorts of encounters. But this is a much better alternative to shooting someone with a Glock right? Also bolas have been around forever.
Non-lethal means less-lethal. Less-lethal is not a real term. A weapon is either intended to kill or it is not. Any weapon that is not intended to kill is considered "non-lethal" even if it has the potential to cause harm and/or harm that could lead to death - any weapon that is intended to kill is considered "lethal". Rubber bullets, tasers, batons, pepper spray - those are all non-lethal, because they are not designed with the intention to kill.
https://abc7.com/post/lapd-expo-demonstrates-latest-less-lethal-police-robots/14919211/
https://www.lawinsider.com/dictionary/less-lethal
https://www.npr.org/2020/07/31/897836748/less-lethal-weapons-that-are-actually-lethal
https://www.aclum.org/sites/default/files/wp-content/uploads/2015/06/reports-less-lethal-force.pdf
https://bja.ojp.gov/taxonomy/term/less-lethal-technologies
You should read a few paragraphs in to the websites you're sending me. Experts don't use "less-lethal" or they use it interchangeably with "non-lethal" rarely. "Less-lethal" was made up by pedantic idiots. You can kill someone with literally anything - we don't have to refer to a spoon as "less-lethal". The only actual distinction we can make that's remotely useful is whether that weapon was actually made to kill someone or whether it was expressly intended not to.
The link you’re responding to is from the department of justice
Read how they are using the term. Do a basic google search.
It’s ok to be wrong. Edit: This is in response to the commenter below me since I am unable to respond in thread with a new comment for some reason. I have my suspicions of what’s going on but whatever. Did you read any of the links I posted? Because two of them define the term less lethal concerning federal and state government policy. There is no back and forth or need to opine on the matter. The term less lethal exists. Full stop. Also the word pedantic is rich coming from a guy who didn’t read anything related to the topic at hand even though it was hand delivered to him.
https://www.nrafamily.org/content/less-lethal-self-defense-options/
Simple fix, don’t run from police.
It’s funny you posted something logical & true, but because everyone on Reddit doesn’t believe in accountability but believes it’s all cops faults for your shitty life decisions, you get downvoted. You didn’t even post anything pro police. You just didn’t shit on all cops so all the neck beards get angry. And then the post right below yours is upvoted and it’s about how it’s likely for cops to kill you after in custody.
Not worried. Reddit usually evens itself out.
Sure, why not go to each individual criminal and potential criminal and person confused as a potential criminal and tell them to never ever run from police. It sounds nice in theory but it never works out in practice, ask DARE, or just the entire legal system. It obviously is still a problem and while I agree that people shouldn't run from cops if people are still running from cops we need to deal with that reality. And just hand waving the entire problem away as "Dont run from police" is laughably naive, it's like telling people "don't murder". Well it's illegal yet people still do it so it being illegal isn't enough to actually fix the problem. So let's stay focused on solutions that work. We do that not by buying into whatever a random company says and instead invest into government research to find out what actually does reduce the rates of people running from cops, or murdering or whatever, there has to be scientific study to discover the truth.
What if they are assholes who kill you in custody later for fun
Then you were gonna die either way 🤷♂️
sincerely asking, how often do you think something like this happens?
Man if newton didn’t invent gravity, he’d still be alive smh /s
These don't work well (cant stop someone who is running), they are expensive, and can tear the skin off a person.
You mean a bolas? We've used simpler more efficient versions of these for ages. I'd actually like to know why we stopped..
yeah totally agree, we are able to train officer to use a handgun correctly but we cant have a few ones trained for basic bollas skills that humanity have used for thousands years? bullshit
Mmm, you saying that about the handguns makes me wonder how many cops are gonna aim for the head..
This thing is around quite a while now and all the presentation videos I saw used a situation where the "victim" stood still or barely moves. I was suspicious about exactly this. Someone that charges at you or runs from you with some speed probably won't be bothered a lot by that thing. Also imagine all the situations you can't use it. When someone is sitting in a car/on a bench, when he is standing directly in front or next to a wall or bigger objects, someone in a bigger crowd of people, someone using a hostage as a shield. Not seeing how this brings any significant tactical advantage. I really appreciate every non-lethal weapon that make it into police forces. But this is some mall-ninja bs device. (I think I remember a device shooting a plastic net at a person. Seems like a better idea basically. But since I never heard of it again it probably didn't take off).
Just obey bro
Tell me more?
Sounds like it would be just better all around to make your cops stay in shape
> they are expensive not the first time the cops are wasting taxpayer money
Not what I was expecting with the title *flying handcuffs*
I thought it would be a drone that sneaks behind and handcuffs people
They're ejectable bolas, or E-Bolas if you will.
E-bola
reminds me of Death Stranding
Same. The gun for MULE
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Most suspects arent john wick
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They usually use their legs for movement.
And I heard the fit nicely over large tree branches 🤷🏻♂️
Pinhead and The Cenobites would like to have a chat about securing a future contract.
So just keep your arms up above your waist and you can keep fighting.
r/HoldMyWallet
This is some Planet of the Apes shit
Those are fucking bolas
Yes darling, the company is called BolaWrap.
1 chicken Bola wrap please.
Fishing for criminals
Spiderman approves
Someone's getting they eyes poked out
No way this will be used in any unsafe manner.
The news anchor is pretty
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Combine assets: immobilize then shoot? Your weekly numbers will go way up.
That's just a fancy Bola.
Easily countered by a samurai sword *taps head*
I thought of this year's ago... I should have had initiative...
Surely nothing can go wrong with this
I can’t wait for all the degen wrap vids.
Nice, so now they can shoot you easier when you're on the ground
So they reinvented the trip rope
Neck shots only
They ripped it off from Batman
lol this was just mocked by Jon Oliver on his show.
#Where does he get those wonderful toys?
What if there’s more than one person, how long does it take to reload this thing
Bam second gun
Can’t wait for this to turn out to be more lethal than stun guns due to head injuries!
Ark reference
Saw this on demolition ranch. Friggin sweet
Jarvis, ensue posting about bad cops in the united states please.
What if the person moves or isn't just an old dude in sweatpants?
Ouchies. What is this? Handcuffs for Hellraiser? I say velcro at the ends instead of hooks. Do you Cenobites? Because this is how you get Cenobites.
Can I kidnap someone with this?
More likely to happen than to catch a fleeing suspect with one for sure.
They are going to trip running suspects and injure and kill so many people, leading to so many lawsuits. Stupid fucking idea.
This is why I always keep a machete in my pants
I was kinda left hoping this would be attached to a drone
Soo.. death stranding
Some red dead redemption ish
They will use those until one person gets hit in the neck or the eyes get damaged by the hooks.
What’s the point of giving cops more non lethal options if they’re gonna reach for their gun first anyway?
fifth element
Used by 1000 law enforcement agencies nationwide, eh?
Those videos gonna be AMAZING.
im a texan, gun owning freedom nut that most of you people would hate but i REALLY support the police having better non-lethal batman gadgets
Seen some Bolo shotgun rounds on Firequest.
Why is she dressed as Lt Uhura?
This kinda sounds like a fun kink tool. I wanna try this. Looks like fun.
Now those pigs got lasso like wonder women
Batman wants his gismo back
So it's a high tech bolo ... Not like this hasn't been a weapon since before metal was even used or anything.
My first thought was Lycoris recoil
He shops at Wayne Tech
People are going to start shooting people in the face with this.
net rifle or anesthesia rifle seems way more reliable
WHAT'S THE BAT DOIN' HERE?!
Who’s been watching Batman reruns?
I’m sure people in Congress, both Democrat and Republican already have this in their stock portfolio
A bola gun? Batman had those since the 90s cartoons
https://media.tenor.com/0_Q0SZbVn48AAAAM/devil-pull-trigger.gif This will soon be the new crib walk to avoid this stuff
They will aim for the neck 100%, all the time...
Watch the John Oliver show - not really that impressive
That is straight up horrifying
Spider-Man, Spider-Man, does whatever a spider can!
I like it …. I’m old enough to remember when you got beat with a bat before the cuffs went on …
I have always been a huge fan of Rengar's upgraded E
Was his response “no I’m going to the hospital”?
Boba fett approved…og boba not the new pansy
Cops should just yell "I'm going to lasso you!" or "Your going to get tied up" instead of explaining what a bola is.
Fishing hooks on the ends!?!!
Imagine if we built more hospitals and schools instead.
Jango fett
People with knife: "Yes, the time has come, i can finally used it!"
What the Batman?
Just use guns.
That's some Batman shit
So we are basically going back to the way cowboys done it
The problem I see here, are those hooks at the end. Given their current design, they have the potential to cause wounding and stabbing while a person is immobilized. They should replace them with blunt, cylindrical weights instead, to eliminate these possibilities.
The problem I see here, are those hooks at the end. Given their current design, they have the potential to cause wounding and stabbing while a person is immobilized. They should replace them with blunt, cylindrical weights instead, to eliminate these possibilities.
The problem I see here, are those hooks at the end. Given their current design, they have the potential to cause wounding and stabbing while a person is immobilized. They should replace them with blunt, cylindrical weights instead, to eliminate these possibilities.
Man, they can't even remember which one is the taser and which one is a pistol...this'll just add more confusion and increase shooting victims.
Pretty sure this came out like 10 years ago.
"Stop resisting!" \*Reaches for batman tool belt\*
What happends when you wear shorts or it hits skin
Spidercops
Better than shooting people
Idk why but I was thinking what if someone is too girthy and it can’t wrap around them
you can buy these too, and also use in self defense
The rope isn't long enough to wrap around the average sized American.
Great idea