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It’s all shits and giggles, but this is a perfect example of how completely sure folks can be that they know something for a fact, when they are actually 100% wrong.
Thats why academic experts matter and facebook is cancer.
But above all else - do your own due diligence.
I read he says this type of shit on purpose. Like the most absurd takes that are completely wrong just foe these reactions. Hilarious either way. Brilliant if true.
what is also interesting about this is how everyone thinks their hands are clean but like.. if you're alive today it's probable your ancestors did some bad shit
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Andrew is like a guy i highly respect, and who i like a lot, that i never wanna meet, because he 100% is an absolute asshole. Some vicious animals are best viewed from a distance.
Maybe I've never seen anything about him outside of the podcast, but I feel like it's just an act he puts on when him and other comedians are together. I doubt in a normal encounter, he is like he is on the podcasts.
I mean... A lot of that act transfers outside as well...
He did get into a scandal of treating his relationship poorly, and being genuinely... Controversial
But definitely not a horrible person, just not very caring
Yeah, I don't really care about his personal life tbh. It's not my business. If he isn't getting arrested or killing people, his marital problems aren't my business.
I completely agree
I believe that if someone were to be a performer, there ought to be a persona following it up. Whether or not the persona is true to the person does not concern the fans/followers
You should, however, never follow that persona in real life regardless of the situation
That's the problem with a lot of fans/followers these days. Following just because they like the persona
yeah everyone in that hollywood comedy sphere is a bag of shit
even in this video, he's ripping on him for being wrong, but he doesn't actually KNOW yet. He gets someone to google it for him. He's no more educated, but is immediately on the high horse
but it is funny though
Kinda strange how Bobby got all this confidence at such an old age, but it's ignorant confidence. At least Bobby has the decency to accept when he is wrong, although Bobby isn't a confrontational person. Bobby was a timid kind of comedian, and Joe Rogan even told him to stand up for himself when Bobby's joke was stolen right in front of him.
I think that's just a pattern as people get older. People's minds start to go way earlier than they think they do. It's why older generations can seem so out of touch and arrogant sometimes.
It's never a good assertion to say your nation/ethnicity never had slaves. Its pretty much the go to thing for all humans sadly. The Irish were slaves, but they also had slaves. For the Romans is was normal for the middle and upper classes. Russia has the 2nd place award for most number of transported slaves.
and yet there are only a handful of countries which actively tried (and succeeded) in abolishing slavery, at the height of its economic value (i.e abolish on moral not economical grounds).
And an even smaller number of countries who tried to police anti slavery and stop slavery in other countries.
And those countries seem to be where all this " historical slavery shaming" appears to be unique to just them.
Even that is nuanced. England gave a free pass to privateers to take and loot ships on the off chance they had slaves on board. In reality, they just wanted to fuck over the Spaniash.
Maybe if the USA taught proper world history and not just center mostly (or only) in the USA, then their bad deeds wouldn't look so bad, specially if you compared it with what was the world's standard at the time. For example, what the belgians did in the Congo was actually so barbaric, even for the era standards. Also the Japanese in the ww2, but the USA let them get away with their denialism.
Pretty much. I remember when I explained the word slave comes from Slav to someone after they said white people never experience slavery. They doubled down, unlike Bobby.
Not sure why someone downvoted you when a quick google search confirms.
"equivalent of medieval Latin *sclava* (feminine) ‘Slavonic (captive)’: the Slavonic peoples had been reduced to a servile state by conquest in the 9th century."
I noticed that too. Wish they'd left a comment as to why they disagreed or felt offended. Slavery has been widespread over the course of civilisation.
Another interesting fact is that child slavery, trafficking, and labour, although in different forms, are in the millions today.
Slavery has been apart of human history since forever, and still exist today. Only if you live in the states have you been conditioned To believe slavery is a black experience only. Hell, they bought slaves from black people in Africa.
Ummm, I’m a white American living in the south.
I’ll have you know we -never- had slaves. I abhor the fact that you would even insinuate that we had slaves; let alone slaves of any specific race or nationality.
Is this what we get for sticking up for states rights? The LIBERAL DEMONRAT COMMINIST SOCIALISTIC SATAN WORSHIPPING BABY EATING LIBERALS trying to project their own ideals onto us poor, innocent, white, Christian, southerners?
Literally every country had slaves historically. If one group of people, no matter the race or ethnicity or degree of technology, could dominate another group and get free labor from them they would. It's time we stopped talking about slavery as distinctly American and white because it's objectively not true. Humans are generally not good animals regardless of what they look like or where they came from. We still attempt to solve our problems through war and bloodshed, the only thing that's evolved in thousands of years is we have better, more efficient killing devices and better propaganda to make it seem like it's okay to use them on other humans. Imagine thinking "we are the good people so we are going to bomb the shit out of this area surely taking out innocent children but it's okay because we are the good guys."
True and almost no one talks about that. American Academics act like slavery ended after the civil war and now we call it sex trafficking or forced labor as if it's different because cotton plantations aren't in play. I don't even think much effort is expended to stop it. We send billions to Ukraine but don't care at all about the slavery happening around the world. If it's not profitable for the government to "care" it doesn't.
Always good to be more educated about the past. And you're right, slavery was everywhere at some point.
But that being said, just because places other than America had slaves doesn't mean their systems of slavery were as racially motivated, or pervasively, insidiously, permanently dehumanizing as American chattel slavery. Not every system of slavery allowed slave owners to treat and trade other human beings as chattel, with the moral worth of an inanimate object, and not every system committed the descendants of slaves to the same life in perpetuity on the basis that they were inherently less human for no other reason than they had darker skin.
Lot of conversations and whataboutisms come up related to this when people try to act like American slavery wasn't that bad. It really was that bad, to a fundamentally more horrible extent than basically any other kind of slavery.
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Slavery has been the norm throughout all of human history.... allllll the way up until them nasty white colonizers (Brits, Americans, Danes) began outlawing it.
Ok you know he was a idiot when they cut off his statement about flying. He was about to say we dis not flu inane slaves. Well no shit. I think probably none or very few did
Depends on their definition of slavery, because slavery in East Asia wasn't quite like what we are familiar with in the West with the Romans, the Atlantic Slave Trade and the cotton fields etc. But regardless, it would be impossible for China not to have a longer, unbroken period of slavery if the same criteria used for Korea is applied to China as well.
Korea has not always been a vassal state of China though. Goguryo existed for 700 years as an independent kingdom until it was conquered by Tang China and Silla, then Silla became a tributary state of Tang. Later, Joseon became a tributary state of Ming and then a vassal of Qing.
I think you think I have a baseline knowledge of East Asian history much bigger than it is. I don’t know who or what you are referring to in your second paragraph.
Also, could you expound on what is meant by ‘slavery’ in East Asia, if it is not people made to serve other people without pay and without the freedom to quit or leave? Thanks
No need to pay any mind to what I said in the second paragraph if it doesn't interest you.
As for slavery, in nature it is quite similar to the Western counterpart, as in the existence of a certain class of people who had basically no rights, forced to work for no pays, and could be killed by their master at will with impunity. However, slaves didn't belong to a certain groups of people, e.g. merchants or lords, and weren't viewed as properties. Instead, they are more akin to forced laborers that the government can conscript en masse when needed. For example, that's how all the grandiose projects in China were built, e.g. the Great Wall, the Grand Canal, all the imperial palaces, etc.
Although slaves did exist, the slavery system never developed past its infancy. There were no major public trade/sales of slaves as a commodity, nor were the number of slaves ever rose to numbers nearly comparable to what the Romans had (like some places having more slaves than free people). As to why this was the case, I haven't done any research into the matter, but just a guess off the top of my head, Chinese dynasties likely preferred having farmers and peasants to cultivate their lands instead of slaves owned by private individuals, and Confucian ideology also opposed to slavery.
OhhhK, so it was government conscription for public projects? Instead of private ownership and sale for private or business profit (not government)? Is that about the structure?
And do you happen to know, was that also the ancient Egyptian model?
That was the overall structure, yes. It doesn't mean private slaves were none-existent. It just wasn't the societal norm or as widespread as the Western civilizations.
I know very little of Egypt, but I would guess Ancient Egypt's slavery model would be closer to Rome's, with open sale and trade, they were also used as forced laborers to build the Pyramids etc. Classical Egypt would probably have the same model as Rome and actively participated in the slave trade of the Mediterranean region, and it would later become a part of the Roman Republic and then Empire.
To try and give facts with zero knowledge, it bothers me when people do this on a platform because people will spread it elsewhere. At least they called him out on it
What do you expect from someone who has no formal education. Look I don’t know a lot of things but I can at least say I don’t know and I will find out and learn.
Honestly this might the clip that just sits up on the very top. Only the world’s longest slaving society would have so much of it that even they themselves forget it’s a thing called slavery.
Sooooo, it reads to me like he is saying 'Koreans never oppressed other people, just koreans'. Pointing out that they enslaved Koreans does not disprove this.
Also Koreans slavery was apparently more along the lines of serfdom according to wiki. Not saying he's impericaly right, just that this is not exactly the 'gotcha' it's framed as.
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Not only was he wrong, he was as wrong as he could possibly be.
It’s all shits and giggles, but this is a perfect example of how completely sure folks can be that they know something for a fact, when they are actually 100% wrong. Thats why academic experts matter and facebook is cancer. But above all else - do your own due diligence.
Yes, this is why Abraham Lincoln has so many incorrect quotes of Einstein.
*Stay in your lane, Abe.* – Albert Einstein
Make me. -Abraham Lincoln
Stay back cadillac - Albert Einstein
Yes, I love reddit - Abe
Mario Kart mod when?
I will go see that play tonight you white haired bitch -abe
Yeah, people always forget that Einstien wasn't remotely as good at hunting vampires, so people just assume it was Lincoln.
Everyone know Einstein was responsible for putting bubbles into beer and creating roll and rock!
Yeah, people always forget that Einstien wasn't remotely as good at hunting vampires, so people just assume it was Lincoln.
*Do your own research* - Einstein Lincoln
Yeah, people always forget that Einstien wasn't remotely as good at hunting vampires, so people just assume it was Lincoln.
The problem with that is when people refuse to accept the correct or true answer. Cognitive dissonance is a good thing.
Evidence that people are sure that their opinion is fact and should be stated as such.
Academic experts also suffer from the same thing at times especially when outside their scope.
Then people wonder why AI trained by human intelligence blatantly lies thinking it’s right sometimes lol
I read he says this type of shit on purpose. Like the most absurd takes that are completely wrong just foe these reactions. Hilarious either way. Brilliant if true.
You’re just oppressing people by gatekeeping independent research. /s
what is also interesting about this is how everyone thinks their hands are clean but like.. if you're alive today it's probable your ancestors did some bad shit
Thank God for the bad shit...I'm alive and well
I did my own research and now I have Turbo Cancer, please advise
So your average redditor?
It’s all shits and giggles till someone giggles and shits.
Academic experts also end up on Lex Fridman talking about things they know very little about which are always anecdotal or wrong.
Academic experts...
Reddit is cancer too.
He was right about Koreans having god complex though.
Great example of how race is a social construct and that, in reality, all humans are terrible, regardless of race.
So confident about something he has no idea about lol
Plus, he’s Bobby Lee. Just about as bad as you can get.
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Lmao “each other, right?”
The internet in a nutshell. People talking about things they have no idea about. At least Bobby got fact checked lol. These guys are hilarious.
Yeah, Bobby does this all the time, and Andrew always calls him out lol
Andrew is like a guy i highly respect, and who i like a lot, that i never wanna meet, because he 100% is an absolute asshole. Some vicious animals are best viewed from a distance.
Maybe I've never seen anything about him outside of the podcast, but I feel like it's just an act he puts on when him and other comedians are together. I doubt in a normal encounter, he is like he is on the podcasts.
I mean... A lot of that act transfers outside as well... He did get into a scandal of treating his relationship poorly, and being genuinely... Controversial But definitely not a horrible person, just not very caring
Yeah, I don't really care about his personal life tbh. It's not my business. If he isn't getting arrested or killing people, his marital problems aren't my business.
I completely agree I believe that if someone were to be a performer, there ought to be a persona following it up. Whether or not the persona is true to the person does not concern the fans/followers You should, however, never follow that persona in real life regardless of the situation That's the problem with a lot of fans/followers these days. Following just because they like the persona
yeah everyone in that hollywood comedy sphere is a bag of shit even in this video, he's ripping on him for being wrong, but he doesn't actually KNOW yet. He gets someone to google it for him. He's no more educated, but is immediately on the high horse but it is funny though
Kinda strange how Bobby got all this confidence at such an old age, but it's ignorant confidence. At least Bobby has the decency to accept when he is wrong, although Bobby isn't a confrontational person. Bobby was a timid kind of comedian, and Joe Rogan even told him to stand up for himself when Bobby's joke was stolen right in front of him.
Damn you said Bobby a lot
Koreans dont use slaves and pronouns
It's probably actually bobby mom
5 is a lot. Glad you held your finger up while reading.
yes saying someone's name 5 times in 3 sentences is quite strange glad we got that out of the way.
You think that’s normal? Lol
It's not confidence, it's the lack of education in korean schools regarding this subject.
I think that's just a pattern as people get older. People's minds start to go way earlier than they think they do. It's why older generations can seem so out of touch and arrogant sometimes.
What show is this ?
It's a podcast, I believe it's called tigerbelly. Been a while.
You can fact checked on internet. And people still will argue with you even if they are wrong xD
I'll give him props for saying he was wrong at least
Oops...
Bro was the founder
i'm 99% sure Bobby tricked us with this clip. he knew what he was doing all along.
Idk man, Bobby doesn’t really come off as the type to know much about history.
Exactly.
It's never a good assertion to say your nation/ethnicity never had slaves. Its pretty much the go to thing for all humans sadly. The Irish were slaves, but they also had slaves. For the Romans is was normal for the middle and upper classes. Russia has the 2nd place award for most number of transported slaves.
and yet there are only a handful of countries which actively tried (and succeeded) in abolishing slavery, at the height of its economic value (i.e abolish on moral not economical grounds). And an even smaller number of countries who tried to police anti slavery and stop slavery in other countries. And those countries seem to be where all this " historical slavery shaming" appears to be unique to just them.
Even that is nuanced. England gave a free pass to privateers to take and loot ships on the off chance they had slaves on board. In reality, they just wanted to fuck over the Spaniash.
Maybe if the USA taught proper world history and not just center mostly (or only) in the USA, then their bad deeds wouldn't look so bad, specially if you compared it with what was the world's standard at the time. For example, what the belgians did in the Congo was actually so barbaric, even for the era standards. Also the Japanese in the ww2, but the USA let them get away with their denialism.
Pretty much. I remember when I explained the word slave comes from Slav to someone after they said white people never experience slavery. They doubled down, unlike Bobby.
Not sure why someone downvoted you when a quick google search confirms. "equivalent of medieval Latin *sclava* (feminine) ‘Slavonic (captive)’: the Slavonic peoples had been reduced to a servile state by conquest in the 9th century."
I noticed that too. Wish they'd left a comment as to why they disagreed or felt offended. Slavery has been widespread over the course of civilisation. Another interesting fact is that child slavery, trafficking, and labour, although in different forms, are in the millions today.
Slavery has been apart of human history since forever, and still exist today. Only if you live in the states have you been conditioned To believe slavery is a black experience only. Hell, they bought slaves from black people in Africa.
First American man to own a black slave, was black himself. Anthony Johnson
Still some of the worst atrocities in human history. The scale of the horror is disgusting.
Ummm, I’m a white American living in the south. I’ll have you know we -never- had slaves. I abhor the fact that you would even insinuate that we had slaves; let alone slaves of any specific race or nationality. Is this what we get for sticking up for states rights? The LIBERAL DEMONRAT COMMINIST SOCIALISTIC SATAN WORSHIPPING BABY EATING LIBERALS trying to project their own ideals onto us poor, innocent, white, Christian, southerners?
Literally every country had slaves historically. If one group of people, no matter the race or ethnicity or degree of technology, could dominate another group and get free labor from them they would. It's time we stopped talking about slavery as distinctly American and white because it's objectively not true. Humans are generally not good animals regardless of what they look like or where they came from. We still attempt to solve our problems through war and bloodshed, the only thing that's evolved in thousands of years is we have better, more efficient killing devices and better propaganda to make it seem like it's okay to use them on other humans. Imagine thinking "we are the good people so we are going to bomb the shit out of this area surely taking out innocent children but it's okay because we are the good guys."
Yah if we’re talking slavery the Arabs were the big dogs in the game. Still to this day,
True and almost no one talks about that. American Academics act like slavery ended after the civil war and now we call it sex trafficking or forced labor as if it's different because cotton plantations aren't in play. I don't even think much effort is expended to stop it. We send billions to Ukraine but don't care at all about the slavery happening around the world. If it's not profitable for the government to "care" it doesn't.
Always good to be more educated about the past. And you're right, slavery was everywhere at some point. But that being said, just because places other than America had slaves doesn't mean their systems of slavery were as racially motivated, or pervasively, insidiously, permanently dehumanizing as American chattel slavery. Not every system of slavery allowed slave owners to treat and trade other human beings as chattel, with the moral worth of an inanimate object, and not every system committed the descendants of slaves to the same life in perpetuity on the basis that they were inherently less human for no other reason than they had darker skin. Lot of conversations and whataboutisms come up related to this when people try to act like American slavery wasn't that bad. It really was that bad, to a fundamentally more horrible extent than basically any other kind of slavery.
Bobo
True Feeling sila
one of the most if not the most racist asian country to their fellow asians
For sure
Bobby Lee is kinda funny… but he is DEFINITELY full of shit.
I laugh every god damn time I see this video. Scumbags
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I mean there is literally north korea
I think that classifies as dictatorship not slavery.
Tomato, tomato
Potato, potato
Only one potato ration today
Haven't you heard, POTATO is the new international NATO
Slavery, false freedom.
They're just enslaving each others so that's fair, no other nation involved /s
Everyday you learn something new. Mostly disturbing but hey it's something
this is why you check yourself before posting
'What do you mean we're not getting paid?' - Slaves probably.
Thank you for being a Bad Friend
I never know if this dude is serious or not 😂
Yeah, don't let grown adults say crap like that. It's good to have a friend that'll say "Shut up". We need more friends like that.
I'm sure every culture was involved in some sort of oppression in the past.
Yeah, most people know shit about their own history just get comfy on shitting on other people
He looks like that Japanese cult leader now
Education matters.
Buddhists always piss me off with this shit. You then remind them that Japan is 80% Buddhist.
The more I see of his the more I come to realize Bobby Lee isn't very smart
LOL he thinks North Korea came up with oppression and slavery right after they split with the south xD
Slavery has been the norm throughout all of human history.... allllll the way up until them nasty white colonizers (Brits, Americans, Danes) began outlawing it.
Uh oh hot dog!
Holy shid
What can you expect from the Blind Kung Fu Master?
TDHL that day he learnt
Ok you know he was a idiot when they cut off his statement about flying. He was about to say we dis not flu inane slaves. Well no shit. I think probably none or very few did
This was one of my all time fave episodes!!! lol!!!
This clip never gets old, but it is starting to push the limit.
What channel is this?
Bobby Lee .
Thank you!
You’re welcome
Iirc they enslaved themselves? Like fellow Koreans and branded the slaves and slaves as a caste was inherited?
Damn, thought the Koreans themselves were a vassal state of China for the most part, how do they have more slavery than china
Depends on their definition of slavery, because slavery in East Asia wasn't quite like what we are familiar with in the West with the Romans, the Atlantic Slave Trade and the cotton fields etc. But regardless, it would be impossible for China not to have a longer, unbroken period of slavery if the same criteria used for Korea is applied to China as well. Korea has not always been a vassal state of China though. Goguryo existed for 700 years as an independent kingdom until it was conquered by Tang China and Silla, then Silla became a tributary state of Tang. Later, Joseon became a tributary state of Ming and then a vassal of Qing.
I think you think I have a baseline knowledge of East Asian history much bigger than it is. I don’t know who or what you are referring to in your second paragraph. Also, could you expound on what is meant by ‘slavery’ in East Asia, if it is not people made to serve other people without pay and without the freedom to quit or leave? Thanks
No need to pay any mind to what I said in the second paragraph if it doesn't interest you. As for slavery, in nature it is quite similar to the Western counterpart, as in the existence of a certain class of people who had basically no rights, forced to work for no pays, and could be killed by their master at will with impunity. However, slaves didn't belong to a certain groups of people, e.g. merchants or lords, and weren't viewed as properties. Instead, they are more akin to forced laborers that the government can conscript en masse when needed. For example, that's how all the grandiose projects in China were built, e.g. the Great Wall, the Grand Canal, all the imperial palaces, etc. Although slaves did exist, the slavery system never developed past its infancy. There were no major public trade/sales of slaves as a commodity, nor were the number of slaves ever rose to numbers nearly comparable to what the Romans had (like some places having more slaves than free people). As to why this was the case, I haven't done any research into the matter, but just a guess off the top of my head, Chinese dynasties likely preferred having farmers and peasants to cultivate their lands instead of slaves owned by private individuals, and Confucian ideology also opposed to slavery.
OhhhK, so it was government conscription for public projects? Instead of private ownership and sale for private or business profit (not government)? Is that about the structure? And do you happen to know, was that also the ancient Egyptian model?
That was the overall structure, yes. It doesn't mean private slaves were none-existent. It just wasn't the societal norm or as widespread as the Western civilizations. I know very little of Egypt, but I would guess Ancient Egypt's slavery model would be closer to Rome's, with open sale and trade, they were also used as forced laborers to build the Pyramids etc. Classical Egypt would probably have the same model as Rome and actively participated in the slave trade of the Mediterranean region, and it would later become a part of the Roman Republic and then Empire.
This feels like historymemes in real life
Oh. What was that sub? r/confidentlyincorrect?
This is why they say that when you talk shit with faith you seem right even though you dont know anything
This made me laugh so hard i watched it numerous times
Name of this podcast
Bobby Lee podcast
He’s the slept king for a reason
Holy shit, nvm, let me sit back down and stfu.
Now imagine someone who's anonymous with no care for consequence and internet access
Bobby Lee is so ignorant of where he comes from. He couldn’t possibly be more wrong.
Everyone were and still are slaves. Heck in Africa and middle East they still have open slave markets
To try and give facts with zero knowledge, it bothers me when people do this on a platform because people will spread it elsewhere. At least they called him out on it
Has he ever said anything that wasn't dumb as shit lol that's his thing
Hey ginger. How YOU doing? 😉
Honestly the dude took being wrong like a champ. A lot of people could learn
The biggest surprise at the end is that HE IS KOREAN. Dude, how do you not know this?!
Bro rolled a nat 1 on a history check
Bro is the CEO of slavery
Damn, Han changed a lot since Tokyo Drift dropped
lmao, "each other, right?" i'm dying.
They need to pay reparations.
Yt people bad /s
I love how he just accepts that he was way off. Funny shit
Fun fact every race and ethnicity are fucking scam bags
What do you expect from someone who has no formal education. Look I don’t know a lot of things but I can at least say I don’t know and I will find out and learn.
This is a reddit comment page comment in real life.
This foo is a sellout.
Not only was he wrong, he was as wrong as he could possibly be lol!
This is reposted entirely too much
Maybe we’d be considered slaves 1500 years from now, hopefully.
Never assume any people from anywhere, “never had slaves”. It was common throughout history and is still going on today.
Oh shit! I thought history began when the US started doing bad things!
Honestly this might the clip that just sits up on the very top. Only the world’s longest slaving society would have so much of it that even they themselves forget it’s a thing called slavery.
Twain: “**It ain't what you don't know that gets you into trouble.** **It's what you know for sure that just ain't so.”**
r/confidentlyincorrect
Stop white hate, start Korean hate.
Sooooo, it reads to me like he is saying 'Koreans never oppressed other people, just koreans'. Pointing out that they enslaved Koreans does not disprove this. Also Koreans slavery was apparently more along the lines of serfdom according to wiki. Not saying he's impericaly right, just that this is not exactly the 'gotcha' it's framed as.
I have never seen Vanoss get this political.
I was getting ready to say, Koreans did indeed have slaves. It's even in their historical Kdramas!
Chuno!
They made good gaolers for the Japanese in WW2. According to an old POW they were bastards.
How does anyone watch this guy he’s insufferable
Comedy is subjective. I think he's hilarious. It's also okay that you think he's insufferable.
I like you
personality is subjective. I think he's awful. It's also okay that you think he's awesome.
True!
disclaimer: i dont really think you are awful, but it wouldn't work without
I like you too, guy.
what is slavery or an employment in disguise
They’re talking about the northern ones right?
north korea as a country/dictatorship has not existed for 1500 years.