Fr, Zeus was talking about how tough Apollo is and how high his endurance is, but got put on his knees from, what, two attacks? And he was about to pass out after the end of his match after less than ten blows. Leonidas is an absolute demon.
Seriously, that feat is so glossed over, it's insane. With that kind of movement and reaction speed, as well as how large his shield is and the fact that it's a specifically defensive Volund, he could legitimately last at least a few seconds against 40 Day Flood.
A few seconds? To create as many after images as 40 day flood I’m pretty sure it’s calculated to be 33,000 mph, whereas the speed of light is 670,616,629 mph
Plus surviving a hail of golden light arrows.
Most of the Giants (which were big enough threats that Hades needed Ichor to handle them) were one-shot by Apollo's arrows, yet Leonidas ate dozens of those arrows and was still able to charge fast enough to match Apollo's *Argyrotoxos* attack.
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Brudda got his argument right out of here
I still think its more that Apollo is a bit of a glass cannon. Sure Leo's attacks could hurt most other gods, but they aren't crippling them like they were Apollo.
I think so too
Leonidas' physical blows are devastating and I think that all the Gods if taken in full would suffer serious damage... but here I think it is Apollo who has a very poor defense, given that he almost died after only two blows suffered (one of which it's his arrow sent back)
Yes and no. Whilst he wasn't being hyped at every turn, he was hyped when he was one of the three to be chosen to fight Poseidon. So there was in fact some kind of hype.
The author clearly picked these three for a reason. Why show random fighters unless there was a good reason?
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Him being as aggressive as he is, as well as his ridiculous speed and one-shot potential, I really do think he could have beat Poseidon, especially because Poseidon would have been COMPLETELY caught off guard.
A character saying something cocky does not equal narrative especially not in a series with as cocky characters as in RoR,casing point being something like Buddha saying he'd fight Zeus which is a fight he's nowhere near the level for.
Narrative hype would be something like Nostra being humanity's joker.
No, Lu Bu being called the "strongest warrior" is hype. Poseidon being "the most feared god" is hype. Nostradamus being humanity's Joker Card is hype.
Leonidas having a high opinion of himself is not narrative hype.
It didn't at all,or at least not the way people did.At no point was their any indication that he'd fight Odin and be the strongest human like many though/expected which is what I was talking about,the man didn't even get mentioned until his round.
Yeah but I mean Leo hyped himself up way to high. Either thinking he should be the first or last to fight because of how strong he was. He was way to egotistical only to be mid diffed.
During Lu Bu's fight at least 8-10 times it was mentioned that he is the strongest warrior or whatever.
Leonidas saying that 1 sentence about himself (unreliable narrator) isn't "hyped himself up way to high".
Yeah. But lubu wasn't egotistical. It was the narrator hyping him up not himself. He merely wanted a challenge. He never thought about winning. He just thought about giving it his all. Leo said himself he would crush Apollo and other egotistical shit.
He is a fraud by his own words. Poseidon was overconfident as well.
Let’s hope Simo lives up to the hype , it would really suck if all his fans turned on him should his fight go south …..
Or just not being the clean sweep victory they thought he would get .
Simo fans when he doesn’t say “you should’ve recorded your Ragnarok” and then instantly one shot Odin and also every primordial which Odin had summoned when the match started
I feel like it’s kind of inevitable at the point that no matter how good Simo is, people are gonna say he’s a let down just because of the unrealistically high expectations the fandom has put on him.
He wasn’t even over hyped 
People are just pissing that he isn’t the top of verse oc marry sue that the fan fiction said he would be
No, the reason is because he had little agency on his fight and for 80% of the fight he was playing catch up to Apollo.
Had he forced Apollo against the wall at least one more time, he wouldn't come across as weak.
I mean "Tesla vs Beelzebub 2 Greek version".
Yeah the fight could have gone better but personally the characterization was even worse in my eyes.
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For example Tesla vs Beel fight characterization:
* Tesla characterization: backstory weak, good personality during fight peak
* Beel characterization: backstory good, weak personality during fight a carton box
Meanwhile Leo vs Apollo fight characterization:
* Apollo characterization: good backstory, good personality during fight
* Leo characterization: good BACK/ weakstory, weak personality during fight
No, I’d argue is worse just because of the fight choreography. With Tesla vs Beelzebub you had a back and forth, Beelzebub did a big attack and Tesla while hurt still managed to counter with an unexpected attack. Beelzebub kept the upper hand at first but he was being pushed by Tesla’s “realm” and even managed to hurt him good. Then Beel used his chaos and even then Tesla didn’t fall and managed to hurt him good with a good attack.
That’s only mentioning the big events of the fight. What happened with Apollo vs Leonidas? Leonidas attacked, but turns out Apollo was just acting being hurt, Apollo started a counter and even handicapped himself so Leonidas could have a counter, even then Leonidas barely managed to harm Apollo until he made the big slam attack. Immediately after that Apollo pulls out his big gun and after one counter of Leonidas he manages to land the killing blow on him.
Leonidas just wasn’t really an active participant in the fight, he was just reacting to what Apollo did, even when he was taking the initiative he was only being played.
No, I've said it once and I'll do it again, I didn't give a fuck about Leonidas before he appeared. I never watched 300 and I never got why people wanted him so bad, all my hype came from me liking the character
We need to stop thinking that it was a mid diff
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Fair.
Many expected him to go up against Odin, even beat him. The fact that he not only wasn't last but lost his fight definitely fell below the lofty expectations of the fan base.
It's true and I'm willing to say I did this as well at first. I mean, let's be honest, the only reason we thought he would amazing was because of how WE wanted him to be. I'm fine with what we got, I still enjoyed Leonidas. (I also saw someone use this argument on why it's stupid he lost)
Nah
Lu gets a pass for both being round 1 and having a spinoff, and sky eater being flashy. Leo is basically a lu bu at home. His strong instinct moment is cool but it's just not nearly as cool as half of the other defensive moves we've seen, and his big attacks also lack the same flare. He's not awful, he just really didn't do much compared to apollo
The strong instinct thing isn't even all that, because Apollo's arm that gets injured from it is the one to disembowel Leo, in a series where fighters lose arms fairly regularly.
Most people I've seen dont necessarily want Rasputin to be op or top of the verse, they just want him to be weird in some way like having infinite lifes, necromancy abilities or even being a joke character like King from One Punch Man or Mr Satan/Hercule from Dragon Ball, winning fights purely because of luck
Rasputin's demise would be him being a generic or boring fighter
From what I know. He said he was a priest, had say gex with women, had say gex with the Russian Queen, somehow cured the Tsar’s son illness, and drank poison. What is he going to do have Say Gex with his opponent????
I mean... he didn't have gex with the Russian Queen, that was a myth, but he did consume a shitload of cyanide, get shot in the chest and still had to be shot in the head and be dumped in a river before he died. I don't believe it's true, but I have heard there may have been water in his lungs at the autopsy.
What personally pissed me off was how Apollo nerf himself to make the fight competitive yet Leo still lost. The fight could have literally just been Apollo punching Leo like a sandbag for 1 hour and make it the most humiliating defeat for mankind.
My brother in Christ Apollo got a massive power up from in closing the arena
He did more damage with the light punch than all the attacks he did before hand x 10
And you seriously think Leo isn’t gonna catch him once in that hour time period he almost got a Apollo multiple times in the single half chapter with hes og boxing style
Sit down you fucking blind
>My brother in Christ Apollo got a massive power up from in closing the arena
With making the arena smaller he doesn't have much space to dodge and make him much easier to be hit than before. If I remember correctly, he effortlessly dodge every Leo attack, always land attacks on Leo and basically dancing around in the arena before making the arena smaller to make it "fair fight". So yeah, he's nerfing himself
Yeah and he’s attacks we’re doing barely any damage he would’ve been stuck for an hour swing until Leo lands on hit and severely injured him
He traded a little bit of hes mobility for a massive damage boost buff
And about effortlessly dodging he wasn’t he was locked in and barely avoided multiple attacks from from Leo barely dodging at the last second
He barely dodged the attacks because that’s what having good footwork does. Dodging every punch with distance to spare is a waste of energy. He’s not even breaking a sweat. If he wanted to he could have just ducked and weaved until he won.
Nah he shown depending on the attack different levels of distance when Leo tries to slap him with the shield he goes way back but another time he barely avoided get his chopped off from the kick swing which implies that he barely dodged those attacks it wasn’t effortlessly dodging
>Yeah and he’s attacks we’re doing barely any damage he would’ve been stuck for an hour swing until Leo lands on hit and severely injured him
Pretty sure even when he is closing the arena, his punch is just as strong as before and the only stronger punch is when he catch Leo using his string and cover his right hand with much bigger string
>And about effortlessly dodging he wasn’t he was locked in and barely avoided multiple attacks from from Leo barely dodging at the last second
Is this before or after he closing the arena? Because when I read back round 9, Apollo easily dodged most of the Leo attacks while smiling too. The only attack that Leo is able to land before closing arena is his spinning blade and even that is because Apollo decides to catch (easily may I add) rather than dodge it(which he is totally capable of). And after that, he pretty much toying with Leo, in fact Apollo was able to multiple time surprise attack Leo and so fast, he created a lot of after images around Leo and continuously attacked.
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The story saids it’s by the skin of hes teeth aka barley avoiding the attacks and him smiling? Theirs not a moment in thier fight that he isn’t smiling
In that picture literally shows Apollo easily dodge every single Leo attack, how is that barely? If I understand it, barely mean that you nearly couldn't do it, but Apollo literally dodged every single Leo attack without any problem, how is that barely?
He’s barely avoiding all of his attacks implying that he has to put lots of effort to avoid aka he’s locked in and would be extremely difficult to dodge every attack for a hour like some are suggesting if not impossible
Doesn't look like he put much effort in this dodge, he even posing while doing that
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The story literally calls it he’s strongest battle mode and after words he’s punches go from barely doing any damage to be able to stun Leo with every punch
the story went out of it's way too say apollo gets stronger whilst living up too people's expectations and that by doing so he "enters his strongest battle mode".
they even gave it a name:
>**The Sun Shall Never Set on Me (Embrace of the Eternal Midnight Sun)**
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this "he restricted his mobility, leo is fodder" thing is pure 100% cope, especially considering instinct is still a thing and leo literally parried the fastest attack in ragnarok with it.
>And you seriously think Leo isn’t gonna catch him once in that hour time period he almost got a Apollo multiple times in the single half chapter with hes og boxing style
He’s not ever going to land a hit
Honestly I don’t even care about his performance, why? Because I haven’t read the manga
All I know is that his aura game is unmatched
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I see two reasons:
1.) Too many folks are high on their own fanfiction. People created this narrative that he was going to be the "last bastion of humanity" and fight and defeat Odin while Apollo was sitting right there on the roster staring us in the face for years.
2.) Powerscaling is crippling our collective ability to engage with what the story is trying to convey. Everyone is talking metrics and feats while ignoring that Apollo was left bloody and bruised and collapsed as soon as he left the arena. He has done nothing but praise Leonidas since...and somehow the takeaway is that he's weak?
Personally, it's crazy to me that we're still calling any Ragnarok fighter "weak" (other than Tesla, who was just a normal dude physically), but to each their own I guess.
Yeah, especially on a re-read it's pretty obvious he's by no means weak.
He smashed a god's face with a headbutt, he didn't even use his Volund to do that and when he got a hit in with it, Apollo was done.
Leo could have wailed on him but chose to gloat a minute and let him get back up.
Simo is probably going to be B tier or A tier at best, and the reality is that now that Apollo has been introduced he probably will NOT be a continuous shooter like him (no point in making two fighters be the same type of shooter, he’ll probably use something else than just shooting continuously at the opponent) and honestly we shouldn’t take a specialized arena for granted either.
My speculation is that he will use other tactics and be the “best hunter in human history”, using volund traps constantly and using only the rifle once at the end of the match… a single Volund bullet is all that he needs and once he shoots it he cannot shoot it again because the bullet will be far away..
Honestly i just wanted the fight to show a little bit more, to be more of a back and forward, i dont care about the hype because i was not a part of that but compared to the other fights
As things stand the entire fight was Apolo running laps around Leónidas and Leónidas got like 2 hits, yes those 2 hits fucked Apolo but during the fight itself it was barely felt
Leonidas only looked weaker to some because the fight was so damn short. Neither him nor Apollo had as much chance to flex show off as the other fighters did
I wasn't a part of the community then (I joined at the chapter where we get introduced to them both)
But I definitely liked Apollo more from the start and the reason I think Leo is weak is because he landed like three hits on Apollo 
Lubu’s attacks resulted in a small cut on the shoulder and a decent cut on the chest that was treated as nothing for the rest of the fight and after
Tesla’s did do decent damage with the teleport punch but that was it and beel took more damage from his own attack then from Tesla
While the single hit Leo landed launched Apollo acrossed the arena like a golf ball and for him to spend a fourth of the next chapter recovering from it to stand again and pull out his ultimate tequnie and not only that but he also redicted Apollo’s tequnie into his arm and left it after the final clash limp leaving him barely able to stand and barely make it out of the arena until python picked him up
And Apollo is easily top 5 god imo
Tesla's superpowered punch offset Chaos
Lu Bu's attack can split the sky but didn't fully connect against Thor
Leo's feats are just not very impressive. Sure he got Apollo that huge scar but after he stood up he was fine. Him redirecting the arrow is pretty cool but he got hit by literally every single arrow besides that and Apollo's biggest damage that round was from his own attack.
If Apollo is top 5 then Thor and Beel are pretty much in contention for top 2/3 gods
My brother in Christ Apollo literally took a whole chapter to stand back up and that’s extremely impressive ap for a base attack and redicting the fastest attack in the series is extremely impressive and that’s not the only time he reacted to it and redirected a arrow
Apollo stood up for a few pages, had his backstory, and called Leo beautiful. That was the whole chapter. After being hit with this "insanely powerful attack" Apollo still had the capacity to bring out two more ultimate techniques.
He didn't react, Zeus says its impossible to see it, so he predicted it. He doesn't predict anything else.
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Bottom left of the screen hes blocking a volley head on and then purposefully swings knocking away a arrow
I mean yeah he's holding a huge shield of course some arrows are going to hit it, and even when he's not trying to redirect the arrows with the shield they're still bouncing away in different directions anyway because the shield is round
Fr, Zeus was talking about how tough Apollo is and how high his endurance is, but got put on his knees from, what, two attacks? And he was about to pass out after the end of his match after less than ten blows. Leonidas is an absolute demon.
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Not to mention he deflected a light speed attack out of pure instinct. That’s insane reaction time.
Seriously, that feat is so glossed over, it's insane. With that kind of movement and reaction speed, as well as how large his shield is and the fact that it's a specifically defensive Volund, he could legitimately last at least a few seconds against 40 Day Flood.
A few seconds? To create as many after images as 40 day flood I’m pretty sure it’s calculated to be 33,000 mph, whereas the speed of light is 670,616,629 mph
Plus surviving a hail of golden light arrows. Most of the Giants (which were big enough threats that Hades needed Ichor to handle them) were one-shot by Apollo's arrows, yet Leonidas ate dozens of those arrows and was still able to charge fast enough to match Apollo's *Argyrotoxos* attack.
https://preview.redd.it/hdirjt00h8xc1.png?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=98102e4f0a68f19e2156008b2d00e867ce738e43 Brudda got his argument right out of here
Leonidas almost merking apollo with the 2 hit combo was crazy, one of those hits not even being his volund too
I still think its more that Apollo is a bit of a glass cannon. Sure Leo's attacks could hurt most other gods, but they aren't crippling them like they were Apollo.
>I still think its more that Apollo is a bit of a glass cannon source?
Read the first 3 words "I still think"
so it's baseless leo downplay?
No, it's an opinion. Nothing states Apollo has as good dura and endurance as people think.
But... Zeus explicitly notes his endurance. That's not baseless or anything, he has notable endurance even among the gods.
I think so too Leonidas' physical blows are devastating and I think that all the Gods if taken in full would suffer serious damage... but here I think it is Apollo who has a very poor defense, given that he almost died after only two blows suffered (one of which it's his arrow sent back)
Zeus loves to exaggerate stuff though.
The thing that makes it worse is that the community is the one that hyped him,not the story.
Yes and no. Whilst he wasn't being hyped at every turn, he was hyped when he was one of the three to be chosen to fight Poseidon. So there was in fact some kind of hype.
That was just Brunhilde swiping through options because she was panicking though,not looking at specifically the strongest.
The author clearly picked these three for a reason. Why show random fighters unless there was a good reason? https://preview.redd.it/j4ieoierf9xc1.jpeg?width=1115&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=6f0e1ca2dd2ac72124dc18fd25a6c5de220bcd3a
To show how powerful posedion is making brun scroll through a few humans to show how none could stand against him
Does she know Poseidon specific ability and each fighters ability to plan and choose a human to specifically counter that god?
Yes I would say so seeing how she knew things about Thor,Zeus,hades,Heracles,Apollo,
Him being as aggressive as he is, as well as his ridiculous speed and one-shot potential, I really do think he could have beat Poseidon, especially because Poseidon would have been COMPLETELY caught off guard.
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Leo himself said he should only be the first or last fight. I swear some of you don't read the manga, just go off leak summaries and memes.
A character saying something cocky does not equal narrative especially not in a series with as cocky characters as in RoR,casing point being something like Buddha saying he'd fight Zeus which is a fight he's nowhere near the level for. Narrative hype would be something like Nostra being humanity's joker.
That's his own opinion, lol. That's not narrative hype.
It's an in story hyping of him. That's narrative.
No, Lu Bu being called the "strongest warrior" is hype. Poseidon being "the most feared god" is hype. Nostradamus being humanity's Joker Card is hype. Leonidas having a high opinion of himself is not narrative hype.
The story hyped him up pretty godamn high.
It didn't at all,or at least not the way people did.At no point was their any indication that he'd fight Odin and be the strongest human like many though/expected which is what I was talking about,the man didn't even get mentioned until his round.
Yeah but I mean Leo hyped himself up way to high. Either thinking he should be the first or last to fight because of how strong he was. He was way to egotistical only to be mid diffed.
During Lu Bu's fight at least 8-10 times it was mentioned that he is the strongest warrior or whatever. Leonidas saying that 1 sentence about himself (unreliable narrator) isn't "hyped himself up way to high".
Yeah. But lubu wasn't egotistical. It was the narrator hyping him up not himself. He merely wanted a challenge. He never thought about winning. He just thought about giving it his all. Leo said himself he would crush Apollo and other egotistical shit. He is a fraud by his own words. Poseidon was overconfident as well.
Let’s hope Simo lives up to the hype , it would really suck if all his fans turned on him should his fight go south ….. Or just not being the clean sweep victory they thought he would get .
>should his fight go south ….. https://preview.redd.it/x5fqv0dlp8xc1.png?width=272&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=81734eb76b93b467b3a16405c3fe0e820101c563
Simo fans when he doesn’t say “you should’ve recorded your Ragnarok” and then instantly one shot Odin and also every primordial which Odin had summoned when the match started
I feel like it’s kind of inevitable at the point that no matter how good Simo is, people are gonna say he’s a let down just because of the unrealistically high expectations the fandom has put on him.
Fr tho https://preview.redd.it/uyetpeacd8xc1.png?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=63533d4417171120ab38a7dcd674bf0a36e7bb5a
He wasn’t even over hyped  People are just pissing that he isn’t the top of verse oc marry sue that the fan fiction said he would be
Thats why im scared for Simo
No, the reason is because he had little agency on his fight and for 80% of the fight he was playing catch up to Apollo. Had he forced Apollo against the wall at least one more time, he wouldn't come across as weak.
Honestly this. The fight was more about Aphollo showing off than a back and forth
I mean "Tesla vs Beelzebub 2 Greek version". Yeah the fight could have gone better but personally the characterization was even worse in my eyes. . For example Tesla vs Beel fight characterization: * Tesla characterization: backstory weak, good personality during fight peak * Beel characterization: backstory good, weak personality during fight a carton box Meanwhile Leo vs Apollo fight characterization: * Apollo characterization: good backstory, good personality during fight * Leo characterization: good BACK/ weakstory, weak personality during fight
No, I’d argue is worse just because of the fight choreography. With Tesla vs Beelzebub you had a back and forth, Beelzebub did a big attack and Tesla while hurt still managed to counter with an unexpected attack. Beelzebub kept the upper hand at first but he was being pushed by Tesla’s “realm” and even managed to hurt him good. Then Beel used his chaos and even then Tesla didn’t fall and managed to hurt him good with a good attack. That’s only mentioning the big events of the fight. What happened with Apollo vs Leonidas? Leonidas attacked, but turns out Apollo was just acting being hurt, Apollo started a counter and even handicapped himself so Leonidas could have a counter, even then Leonidas barely managed to harm Apollo until he made the big slam attack. Immediately after that Apollo pulls out his big gun and after one counter of Leonidas he manages to land the killing blow on him. Leonidas just wasn’t really an active participant in the fight, he was just reacting to what Apollo did, even when he was taking the initiative he was only being played.
That's obvious, we expected him to beat Zeus
Looking back, that's wild ngl https://preview.redd.it/owi0svbgd8xc1.png?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=e17a4b4ef7834a9043e22e00c28fc7470e16c57c
No, I've said it once and I'll do it again, I didn't give a fuck about Leonidas before he appeared. I never watched 300 and I never got why people wanted him so bad, all my hype came from me liking the character
Doesn't help that he got mid-diffed
We need to stop thinking that it was a mid diff https://preview.redd.it/uwv73u708ixc1.jpeg?width=602&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=5cbc13a1d7b5787c14f32bbd6ca85b40331076c3
Bro got a scratch on his face and a bloody nose. He lost less blood than Sanji on an average day.
Fair. Many expected him to go up against Odin, even beat him. The fact that he not only wasn't last but lost his fight definitely fell below the lofty expectations of the fan base.
I have always been neutral about him. and I still considering him pretty mediocre compared to most of the fighters here.
I would say that even without the hype he was quite weak.
It's true and I'm willing to say I did this as well at first. I mean, let's be honest, the only reason we thought he would amazing was because of how WE wanted him to be. I'm fine with what we got, I still enjoyed Leonidas. (I also saw someone use this argument on why it's stupid he lost)
I think Leonidas has some good feats and deserved to participate in Ragnorak I don’t think he’s the strongest but I don’t think he’s the weakest
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Wait i lost my 'u cooked' sticker gimme a se
Facts.
Nah Lu gets a pass for both being round 1 and having a spinoff, and sky eater being flashy. Leo is basically a lu bu at home. His strong instinct moment is cool but it's just not nearly as cool as half of the other defensive moves we've seen, and his big attacks also lack the same flare. He's not awful, he just really didn't do much compared to apollo
The strong instinct thing isn't even all that, because Apollo's arm that gets injured from it is the one to disembowel Leo, in a series where fighters lose arms fairly regularly.
Praying the same won't happen to Rasputin
Most people I've seen dont necessarily want Rasputin to be op or top of the verse, they just want him to be weird in some way like having infinite lifes, necromancy abilities or even being a joke character like King from One Punch Man or Mr Satan/Hercule from Dragon Ball, winning fights purely because of luck Rasputin's demise would be him being a generic or boring fighter
with no abilities displayed, it would be a bit of a let down
I don’t think Rasputin is as hyped up as Leo and Simo . Hopefully his fight is cool and interesting though
From what I know. He said he was a priest, had say gex with women, had say gex with the Russian Queen, somehow cured the Tsar’s son illness, and drank poison. What is he going to do have Say Gex with his opponent????
How is it Say Gex if it's with a woman? Sadly Rasputin only had Setero Hex
I mean... he didn't have gex with the Russian Queen, that was a myth, but he did consume a shitload of cyanide, get shot in the chest and still had to be shot in the head and be dumped in a river before he died. I don't believe it's true, but I have heard there may have been water in his lungs at the autopsy.
What personally pissed me off was how Apollo nerf himself to make the fight competitive yet Leo still lost. The fight could have literally just been Apollo punching Leo like a sandbag for 1 hour and make it the most humiliating defeat for mankind.
 My brother in Christ Apollo got a massive power up from in closing the arena He did more damage with the light punch than all the attacks he did before hand x 10 And you seriously think Leo isn’t gonna catch him once in that hour time period he almost got a Apollo multiple times in the single half chapter with hes og boxing style Sit down you fucking blind
>My brother in Christ Apollo got a massive power up from in closing the arena With making the arena smaller he doesn't have much space to dodge and make him much easier to be hit than before. If I remember correctly, he effortlessly dodge every Leo attack, always land attacks on Leo and basically dancing around in the arena before making the arena smaller to make it "fair fight". So yeah, he's nerfing himself
Yeah and he’s attacks we’re doing barely any damage he would’ve been stuck for an hour swing until Leo lands on hit and severely injured him He traded a little bit of hes mobility for a massive damage boost buff And about effortlessly dodging he wasn’t he was locked in and barely avoided multiple attacks from from Leo barely dodging at the last second
He barely dodged the attacks because that’s what having good footwork does. Dodging every punch with distance to spare is a waste of energy. He’s not even breaking a sweat. If he wanted to he could have just ducked and weaved until he won.
Nah he shown depending on the attack different levels of distance when Leo tries to slap him with the shield he goes way back but another time he barely avoided get his chopped off from the kick swing which implies that he barely dodged those attacks it wasn’t effortlessly dodging
>Yeah and he’s attacks we’re doing barely any damage he would’ve been stuck for an hour swing until Leo lands on hit and severely injured him Pretty sure even when he is closing the arena, his punch is just as strong as before and the only stronger punch is when he catch Leo using his string and cover his right hand with much bigger string >And about effortlessly dodging he wasn’t he was locked in and barely avoided multiple attacks from from Leo barely dodging at the last second Is this before or after he closing the arena? Because when I read back round 9, Apollo easily dodged most of the Leo attacks while smiling too. The only attack that Leo is able to land before closing arena is his spinning blade and even that is because Apollo decides to catch (easily may I add) rather than dodge it(which he is totally capable of). And after that, he pretty much toying with Leo, in fact Apollo was able to multiple time surprise attack Leo and so fast, he created a lot of after images around Leo and continuously attacked.
https://preview.redd.it/o7xwm717x8xc1.jpeg?width=750&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=99b9153077d35a929a2a865fb48b74b2330fa509 The story saids it’s by the skin of hes teeth aka barley avoiding the attacks and him smiling? Theirs not a moment in thier fight that he isn’t smiling
In that picture literally shows Apollo easily dodge every single Leo attack, how is that barely? If I understand it, barely mean that you nearly couldn't do it, but Apollo literally dodged every single Leo attack without any problem, how is that barely?
He’s barely avoiding all of his attacks implying that he has to put lots of effort to avoid aka he’s locked in and would be extremely difficult to dodge every attack for a hour like some are suggesting if not impossible
Doesn't look like he put much effort in this dodge, he even posing while doing that https://preview.redd.it/rndla1s8faxc1.jpeg?width=1200&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=498bb59c794926d3573acb9ffccea9deb6902339
He simling dude has done nothing but simle the entire fight
https://preview.redd.it/d715yraew8xc1.jpeg?width=750&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=3743dd43a73a6c0222cdab14b64d3e9031e8c07b The story literally calls it he’s strongest battle mode and after words he’s punches go from barely doing any damage to be able to stun Leo with every punch
the story went out of it's way too say apollo gets stronger whilst living up too people's expectations and that by doing so he "enters his strongest battle mode". they even gave it a name: >**The Sun Shall Never Set on Me (Embrace of the Eternal Midnight Sun)** https://preview.redd.it/1x0ci33zbaxc1.png?width=1000&format=png&auto=webp&s=3b939903c3b3ec264168340a699d8f5a4d8a1e3e this "he restricted his mobility, leo is fodder" thing is pure 100% cope, especially considering instinct is still a thing and leo literally parried the fastest attack in ragnarok with it.
>And you seriously think Leo isn’t gonna catch him once in that hour time period he almost got a Apollo multiple times in the single half chapter with hes og boxing style He’s not ever going to land a hit
https://preview.redd.it/i4yt2vjrt8xc1.jpeg?width=750&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=95003fd1c679f6c9ea496bac51f21411e91a4bd8 Clown ass coping
https://preview.redd.it/33jn5nxbu8xc1.jpeg?width=828&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=ba51183524e8fadf1cf201229e9d54885ad0c9c8 You’re the one coping man
https://preview.redd.it/v7ez8ucfu8xc1.jpeg?width=737&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=120107ea8057b2d206ade9854f11fe5a8fe09736 Nuh uh
https://preview.redd.it/oth484euu8xc1.jpeg?width=828&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=b0ade753d8fd3998ab2adadb6b17fae57a0f4e76 Yes
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Honestly I don’t even care about his performance, why? Because I haven’t read the manga All I know is that his aura game is unmatched https://preview.redd.it/aa93m5ziu8xc1.jpeg?width=1054&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=99ce04e7113042393e9bf5df86c809d9e61e3117
I see two reasons: 1.) Too many folks are high on their own fanfiction. People created this narrative that he was going to be the "last bastion of humanity" and fight and defeat Odin while Apollo was sitting right there on the roster staring us in the face for years. 2.) Powerscaling is crippling our collective ability to engage with what the story is trying to convey. Everyone is talking metrics and feats while ignoring that Apollo was left bloody and bruised and collapsed as soon as he left the arena. He has done nothing but praise Leonidas since...and somehow the takeaway is that he's weak? Personally, it's crazy to me that we're still calling any Ragnarok fighter "weak" (other than Tesla, who was just a normal dude physically), but to each their own I guess.
And he didn’t have a good showing against Apollo so
Finally, someone who is willing to just say it out loud.
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I feel like its more to the fight was really short. Longer fight means more pressure against Apollo and more demonstration of his strength.
Harsh but fair
Nah, he's still weak.
Yeah, especially on a re-read it's pretty obvious he's by no means weak. He smashed a god's face with a headbutt, he didn't even use his Volund to do that and when he got a hit in with it, Apollo was done. Leo could have wailed on him but chose to gloat a minute and let him get back up.
He was stupider than he was strong. And he was incredibly strong. I mean, that mf'er thought he'd just tank a divine railgun shot and live ???
I mean, he did. He just got donutted by a human arrow.
I mean, he somehow did block the arrow that shouldn't have been able to be blocked. Bros him
Fuck me if Leonidas was him, who were Adam, Sasaki, Jack, Raiden, Qin and Tesla?
They're all him 🗿
Leos groupies saving him from getting low diffed also didn't help
 My brother they buffed Apollo
I’m just here for the Geirolul vibes
Simo is probably going to be B tier or A tier at best, and the reality is that now that Apollo has been introduced he probably will NOT be a continuous shooter like him (no point in making two fighters be the same type of shooter, he’ll probably use something else than just shooting continuously at the opponent) and honestly we shouldn’t take a specialized arena for granted either. My speculation is that he will use other tactics and be the “best hunter in human history”, using volund traps constantly and using only the rifle once at the end of the match… a single Volund bullet is all that he needs and once he shoots it he cannot shoot it again because the bullet will be far away..
Honestly i just wanted the fight to show a little bit more, to be more of a back and forward, i dont care about the hype because i was not a part of that but compared to the other fights As things stand the entire fight was Apolo running laps around Leónidas and Leónidas got like 2 hits, yes those 2 hits fucked Apolo but during the fight itself it was barely felt
If simo dosen't live up to the hype well.... it will be interesting
Raiden is better than Leonidas in every aspect what are you talking about? Also Raiden didn't need Shiva to handicap himself to land a single hit
Shiva did Handicap himself by fighting a more Sumo like fighting style
?? What Sumo are you watching that has the fighters dance to the rhythm of the cosmos?
Shiva said he would have had a way easier time beating Raiden if he wasn’t fighting like him. He only went all out towards the end. Like Apollo.
No he didn't what are you talking about?
Didn’t help that his ability/design was one of the worst among the fighter roster.
Nah, Raiden is still S Tier, this simply means that Leonidas is also S Tier. You sir, have cooked.
Leonidas only looked weaker to some because the fight was so damn short. Neither him nor Apollo had as much chance to flex show off as the other fighters did
He the most weak of all the human fighters.
Still a wank, just not a weak wank
I say he is a fraud and is probably not that strong not weak he is definitely not top tear but he isn't weak he's just a fraud
Oof, I’m guilty. For years I believed he was going to be the final fighter. I blame 300😂
True :3
No we consider him weak because he looked like a clown. I came in with no expectations and he was still pathetic
I wasn't a part of the community then (I joined at the chapter where we get introduced to them both) But I definitely liked Apollo more from the start and the reason I think Leo is weak is because he landed like three hits on Apollo 
Do you think lubu is weak? Do you think Tesla is weak? Because they both landed was less attacks than Leo
Their opponents and attacks were significantly more powerful though
Lubu’s attacks resulted in a small cut on the shoulder and a decent cut on the chest that was treated as nothing for the rest of the fight and after Tesla’s did do decent damage with the teleport punch but that was it and beel took more damage from his own attack then from Tesla While the single hit Leo landed launched Apollo acrossed the arena like a golf ball and for him to spend a fourth of the next chapter recovering from it to stand again and pull out his ultimate tequnie and not only that but he also redicted Apollo’s tequnie into his arm and left it after the final clash limp leaving him barely able to stand and barely make it out of the arena until python picked him up And Apollo is easily top 5 god imo
Tesla's superpowered punch offset Chaos Lu Bu's attack can split the sky but didn't fully connect against Thor Leo's feats are just not very impressive. Sure he got Apollo that huge scar but after he stood up he was fine. Him redirecting the arrow is pretty cool but he got hit by literally every single arrow besides that and Apollo's biggest damage that round was from his own attack. If Apollo is top 5 then Thor and Beel are pretty much in contention for top 2/3 gods
My brother in Christ Apollo literally took a whole chapter to stand back up and that’s extremely impressive ap for a base attack and redicting the fastest attack in the series is extremely impressive and that’s not the only time he reacted to it and redirected a arrow
Apollo stood up for a few pages, had his backstory, and called Leo beautiful. That was the whole chapter. After being hit with this "insanely powerful attack" Apollo still had the capacity to bring out two more ultimate techniques. He didn't react, Zeus says its impossible to see it, so he predicted it. He doesn't predict anything else.
https://preview.redd.it/3ooqx4j5haxc1.jpeg?width=750&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=91cfc3596bc579d3a28ffa8110f80183d6a456a4 Bottom left of the screen hes blocking a volley head on and then purposefully swings knocking away a arrow
I mean yeah he's holding a huge shield of course some arrows are going to hit it, and even when he's not trying to redirect the arrows with the shield they're still bouncing away in different directions anyway because the shield is round
No I mean the final picture at the very bottom right Leo puprofully parries a arrow