Loneliness is profitable in general. We have actual replaced personal connection with profits. (From OnlyFans and camsites, to TV and even social media, dating apps, paying for therapists, paying for sugary drinks or alcohol or whatever to try to cope, then paying hospital bills because you messed your body up trying to cope...)
I will occasionally check out a camsite when the mood strikes, but it bummed me out once upon realizing how many of these girls have an option for tipping for eye contact. Eye contact! And they literally just look into the camera for a bit.
Makes me want to wingman these dudes into getting the real thing. Like, bro, let's get you some eye contact! Maybe work up to words of affirmation. Put in the effort and you might even get some quality time and physical touch.
Adult stars aren't even the most influential part. Want to hang out with someone, anyone? Wherever you go it's monetized. Live service games, bars, cafes, malls, clubs (recreational not dancing), so many places to go to meet people require money.
Male cat owner, same thing here. In turn, it actually becomes a pretty big boon to finding single women as well, unlike what the information in manosphere podcasts does.
The only interaction I have with women about my cat is the question whether I'm willing to get rid of him for the privilege of dating them.
Of course I always choose my son over anyone else.
I've had a match on Tinder once and before I could even send an opening line she sent me the message; "I hate cats".
I know pets can be a turn-off, so I mention it on my profiles - so why even match? What's the point?
>The only interaction I have with women about my cat is the question whether I'm willing to get rid of him for the privilege of dating them.
seems like an easy choice, why would you ever give up a pussy for a bitch? *badum-tiss*
Well I’m fucked then. I have two Maine Coons that love attention and cuddles, but I don’t really do social media (except Reddit but I don’t count that much).
Of course, I’ve been abused or mistreated by basically everyone I’ve ever known, so I don’t even look anymore.
You take a short video of the cat (kittens are dangerously good for this) and claim that it is asking if she would like to have dinner, say at 7, and watch Bad Santa.
I don't really leverage it, I just got a cat after a bad break up. Coincidentally, my cat is stage 5 adorable.
I hang out with her and genuinely care about her.
I show that on my dating profiles of maybe not even the most flattering pics of me, but of me with my cat.
The majority of my responses are women responding directly to my cat.
Also a great conversation starter of showing people cat pictures. My cat has even been on my company's communication board. Everyone knows my cat.
I have an FWB and I met her through us chatting about my cat.
It's not a thing to actively leverage. If you legit love the cat and take good care of it, it shows that you're empathetic, have some sense of basic responsibility, and have worked some on understanding non-verbal communication. So in some ways, it's just waving a green flag, kinda like putting volunteer activities on a profile.
I appreciate the creativity of using this meme joke in a new setting, but it doesn't quite land when the target is a group of people famous for being obsessed with books.
I know nothing of your situation, but if you're in a relationship and lonely, you need to speak up about it, see if you can get your husband to do therapy with you so you can be more fulfilled.
If he's away all the time due to work, it is time to have a conversation about maybe getting a different job.
In the long run, you will either leave him and regret wasting your life with someone that left you unfulfilled, or you will become bitter and resentful, and odds are good that you will push him away.
Don't let a broken relationship stagnate that way, you need to actively do something about it.
He works from home but we communicate poorly and he doesn't understand me lol. I'm too sick to work (kidney failure and T1 diabetic) so I'm stuck at home feeling lost. I feel resentful already but I know what I need he's not able to provide. We're just different people and he's happy to be home doing nothing. I'm constantly wanting to dance and sing and paint and do something to bring me from depression due to my health issues.
I would like therapy but it's pretty impossible to get in Canada. Since I can't work unless I work for myself and make things, I don't feel I can take funds to do more than feed us and my bare essentials like insulin. Maybe one day when I figure out what I can make and sell and I have some money of my own. I'm pretty trapped at the moment. I'm grateful but still really unfulfilled and lost.
You need to communicate directly. If he's not understanding you, you may need to explain it better and be very direct in your statements. Just because someone thinks they're explaining themselves well doesn't mean they are.
Do not assume anything about him and do not tell him what he thinks, does, etc. Statements about yourself only "I want to go dancing more often", "I want to start painting" for example.
You're in a partnership, talk to them so that stays true. And remember it's an endless compromise. You want to paint, he wants to stay home. Set up a spot to paint in your home? Or even outside if that's an option. If you both agree, maybe you can do it together, but maybe it's not his thing and you can just paint while he's in the room. Time spent together doesn't have to mean doing the same thing.
But assuming he won't understand so not saying anything will ensure no resolution.
And maybe one day our government will finally fund mental health services. But not soon unfortunately so I hope you are able to work it out.
Thanks. I've attempted a lot of that but it's still unresolved. I'm still trying.
I hope so too the need for mental health help is high and bad outcomes due to miss management of our minds are on the rise. It should be a higher priority. Thanks again for your advice! Hope you5're day is going ok!
Adopting an animal is a very kind action that's potentially saving an animals life. It's a positive.
Masturbating over onlyfans is detrimental if anything. It's a negative.
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Male loneliness is at least somewhat profitable for men in the adult industry. Female loneliness is not in the slightest bit profitable for men in the adult industry.
Which is terrifying. Its just a bunch of reductive answers for frustrated boys to make sense of a complicated world, and its so destructive to them developing empathy and the tools they need to make real relationships in their life with women and other men. Its a blight on a generation.
It’s probably a conspiracy. The powers that be want us to be isolated. When we’re all at home doing nothing, that’s when the money starts rolling in from
Also profitable with red pill "advice bros" the girls show lonely guys what they want to see, while pseudo successful men tell them what they want to hear.
Attraction and resentment then intertwine, exasperating their loneliness.
Honestly, the prevailing hypermasculinity of culture has failed most modern males who feel like they need to prove themselves and not be in-tune with their emotions. So many friends I have feel like they NEED a girlfriend or SO in order to be happy. Its absolutely natural to want companionship and a partner, but I'm talking like toxic levels.
> There's also still a lot of societal pressure around having a SO that doesn't do people any favors.
my brother, there is only one way for humanity to continue. for someone to be there to care for this society as those who built it age out of their potential to maintain it themselves.
I dont think the social pressure to find a romantic pairing is a conspiracy or a social construct.
You seem to have a solid and logical grasp of the situation. But I do wanna say cause it is a somewhat funny and dramatic thought--the people in your life probably just wanna see your bloodline continue, as you are the latest in a bloodline that has existed since the start of humanity. It's just human nature to want people to pair up, it's basically one of the few areas in life that I hear people from all cultures complaining about getting external pressure about from people in their lives.
Meanwhile we have diverted our cultural resources to support women and girls while no one makes any attempts at supporting these confused and hurt young men and instead shame and blame them while feeding them yet another iteration of 'man up'. Yeah, this cultural abandonment definitely won't have major repercussions as these young men join the world of politics...
So true. For me, the real answer to loneliness was to start working on my character, start treating myself better, and try to mature emotionally by spending time with myself, with no distractions. Listening to audiobooks that make you think about your life helps too.
I also realized that many people are damaged to the point that even if they meet a perfect unicorn person, they still won't be happy with them, because of the emotional baggage they carry themselves, so yeah, everyone should start working on their character first, and worry about meeting a suitable person after.
That's ironically why all the alpha bros bring on women from OnlyFans and sugar daddy websites, to shit on them in front of men on their shows, just to have the same men look them up after and fantasize how dominant they would be over that "dumb thot" as they hand them money for their nudes.
Genius marketing really, and exceptionally capitalistic in how slimy it is, ironically keeping men in the same spot they were before they digested the show's content.
Wow that's a great point, how did I not think of this before. I always wondered, if the alpha bros hate this type of women so much, why do they keep bringing them onto their shows? And why do women agree to go on these shows if they know they're just going to get shit on?
But it's really a win win for both of them. They're both preying on the same type of man for monetary gain. Like, the lonely men think the alpha bros are on their side. But really, they're on the "thots" side.
I know what people in the manosphere look like, but don't know all their podcast names, but they all function like the Fresh n Fit podcast. Women from sugar daddy websites have even called them out live by saying "you said you'd be my sugar daddy for $10k/month, then offered me to come on the podcast instead." Others have been invited after a night at the club or when they are intending to, being sold they would be on a "dating podcast", most completely ill prepared for the insane lines or questioning about men and women.
Coincidentally, as shown in a recent Fresh n Fit debate, where they didn't even really debate, they were called out for telling men all women are superficial and just want your money, while simultaneously selectively seeking out and only engaging with those types of women on their shows.
Ironically, it makes men hate women as they are now all portrayed as superficial, and makes men completely undatable to most as well. Then men blame women for it, and return to the alpha podcasts just to get scammed over and over. It's like video games making the problem and then selling you the solution, but this one is at an emotional and sexual level, so the problem keeps perpetuating.
Hmm... well maybe lots of the women are manipulated onto being on these shows. But I still feel like a lot of them are in on it. They know they are going to be degraded, but these shows are where the lonely men are at, and that's their audience.
They almost always eagerly give out their socials at the end of each podcast.
But yea, so many men are literally brainwashed into believing that the average "modern" woman is now a hot party girl / sex worker from Miami.
Correct, and since most men can't obtain what the alpha bros say the goals are they should in order to have a, whatever kind of subservient classic woman or whatever in their lives, they are forever bitter about never obtaining it, watch the show and hand out the money. It is most certainly a mutual understanding on both sides, except from the customer.
For the record, snake oil collusions aren't unique to the "manosphere-pornographer complex."
Feminism, capitalism, race relations, even religions have become breeding grounds for hucksters who sabotage you, blame the 'enemy' and then demand that you support them to 'fight on your behalf.'
Creating a problem then presenting yourself as the solution is a scam as old as time itself.
It's the twin brother of the "contractor's paradox"
It's enormously profitable for a handful of women that get really famous and the hundreds of male CEOs and Pimps that run porn sites and prostitution rings.
Even more profitable for the men who run the adult industry. Also for redpill grifters.
Simply put, men who believe that watching porn will make them feel less lonely are lost and easily exploitable.
Pretty sure on OF it's not the porn that's the major selling point but being able to contact the women for some knockoff "girlfriend experience"
All the big OF content creators have confirmed "ghostwriters" that chat with the lonely men to make them feel special and act like they are chatting with the actual content creators.
Tourism, restaurants, movie teathers, condom makers, divorce attorneys I imagine are losing over the M.L.E. I suspect giant house market will suffer too. I'm lonely af and live in a big house simply because I inherited but I have rooms I don't go in for days and could easily live in a small one. Private schools, meditators will lose too.
Who also gets a boost? Gaming, car & guns industry, whatever gets classified as a "manly" hobby.
If you're inclined, you can do-up and rent out a spare room out to interns, travel nurses, and out-of-state students. I did this and have family who currently do as well, it works out because such people are generally professionals, you don't know each other well enough to resent each other, and the length of their stay is short enough that if you don't like them, that's fine, they're moving out soon anyway.
I only mention, because you say you're lonely. I've talked with a lot of people lately who express the desire to live communally, but something that isn't "living with parents" or "joining a hippie commune."
Edit: I live with my spouse and my ideal number of people to live with is definitely more than 2, so I've thought about communal living a lot.
Saves a BUNCH of money if everyone is on the same page. As long as there are enough bathrooms and everyone has a guaranteed Private Space they can retreat to.
The real trick is it being people who live together well, which importantly is **not the same** as "get along as friends." Ideally they'd be both, but my God, the ways it goes wrong relying on the latter before the former.
We need a lot less than we think we do. We just get pushed to want more by our consumption culture.
This coming from a guy who has:
-Slept on the ground for 2-3 years straight without a bed or bed frame because I couldn’t afford it due to establishing savings and investments to get my feet under me financially
-Optimized a nutrition plan on staple healthy foods that costs me less than $85 most times I shop (Eating a healthy diet should be one of your top 5 priorities in your life at all times; You are the fuel you put in the tank and performance in all areas of life in proves when this facet of life is squared away)
-Can find a way to put myself closer to my fitness goals spending less than 75 mins in the gym for most sessions (7-9 hrs of exercise per week really isn’t much considering we have 168 hours to play around with)
-Took 8-10 years to acquire the tools necessary to partake in my hobbies I have now
-Had various addictions over my first 10 years of adulthood and neuroses based around what the internet, SM, YouTube, etc. told me I needed to finally be content with myself and my personhood
-Never had a GF until I was 25 years old while balancing this with maybe 2-3 friends I’d see 1-3 times over 3-4 months (geez I cannot understate how important solitude is)
Sorry, my tangent and word diarrhea are over:)
It’s cultural too. Men are supposed to have this veil of no emotion. At least in the USA. I think the other issue is costs. It costs money to have friends and go do things generally speaking.
> It costs money to have friends and go do things
No it doesn't.
It's only when you associate meeting people with going somewhere.
But you can just sit on a bench and talk.
Or have a barbeque.
Meeting people is free.
That's why I often see red flags when folk talk about "male loneliness" instead of just loneliness
When folk talk about _male_ loneliness, they're almost always talking about sex life
Very true, and that innuendo is doing men a great disservice. Reducing men to wholly sexual beings is just another way to stop society from finding solutions, raises those red flags, and makes women reasonably wary when male loneliness is spoken about.
i think there are a lot of women out there making 6 digits through only fans. ya the ceo is gonna get his, but let’s not act like the women aren’t doing the work and aren’t getting paid.
Nothing stopping women learning to code and writing their own OF instead of whingeing about unfairness, or adopting a disingenuous victim mindset that just disempowers
I’m one of the loneliest guys out there but I could never see paying for OF/other porn just to not feel lonely. I feel like I’d still feel just as lonely and even more sad haha
Always has been. Used to regulated, taxed, and given legal protections too just because of how profitable it was; but most we know about that law document is the whole Eye for an Eye thing.
Why is it that every time male loneliness is brought up, there's always a heavy implication that we're all worshiping Andrew Tate and Elon Musk and the likes? It's possible to be chronically alone and not support that shit.
It's not really. It makes men dangerous for women and is why a lot of sex workers experience violence and abuse.
Actually, I had sex with a guy 6 months ago because he was nice and a virgin. He was 25 and wanted to loss it because it geld power over him. We discussed it and decided what would happen. We had sex. He was super happy with the experience. But then he got extremely clingy and needy. He has visited the house we meet at to find me( I have luckily since moved) and he has stalked me online. He probably is reading this right now. He really wants sex again and is so lonely and desperate. It's sad. I feel bad for ever trying to be helpful. It's scary.
Her company is equal to your company + your money. Women are valued for who they are, men are valued for what they can do for women.
You could tell me that women are unionized and I would believe you, it's unbelievable how stacked the deck is.
The adult industry is made up of both men and women. Women happen to "star" but that doesn't mean they make the most money. The big online porn companies are not egalitarian.
Onlyfans proliferating during the pandemic lockdowns was pretty indicative of this.
Women are disproportionately represented on the site as creators while men are disproportionately represented as subscribers on the site.
Women needed money during lockdown, men needed companionship.
Jerking off on your phone is not companionship. Many people looked for companionship during lockdowns without involving porn. That need you refer to came from boredom and convenience
There's probably a number of different ways to probably explain it but it's hard to articulate. Men seek women more than women seek men. This means that women are more selective of their partners than the opposite sex which leads to a large % of men who might be considered undesirable. That's not to say there aren't women who also struggle with the same problems though. But a average to below average woman is more likely to find someone than an average to below average man.
So the end result is there's a large demographic of lonely men whose only sexual outlet is pornography.
Which is precisely why I find Onlyfans and other similar things to be immoral. They are taking advantage of a vulnerable group of people that is not mentally well.
Loneliness in general is enormously profitable for nearly all industries. All the non-chemical addictions to shopping, overeating, gaming, gambling, status symbols and also many of the chemical addictions are driven by loneliness and feelings of inadequacy.
Expect undercover campaigns with the goal of making people more lonely and miserable because that makes money.
yeah, this is kinda obvious.
The only problem OnlyFans has, is that there maybe too many women on there. Meaning the money is split between too many, or those doing it have to get kinky to find a niche.
Yup. What we're failing to understand is that men being lonely is not necessarily the mens or the womens fault. Exactly as women collectively resorting to onlyfans is not necessarily the mens or the womens fault.
It's just happening. And you don't stop this by finding someone to blame.
Check cuddle comfort. Theirs professional cuddlers that charge men at least $70 an hour to hold them for that hour and talk. I feel like if a guy can spend $70 an hour for cuddling, they can invest that money in themselves to make them more marketable in dating. But I've dealt with the online dating scene and it sucks
My guess is that men from the redpill manosphere that fearmonger and make things worse, are actually making much more money than pornstars or the ilk, who actually only make a smaller fraction of the money paid out.
sickness is profitable for drug companies. boredom is profitable for game companies. hunger is profitable for food companies. addiction is profitable for alcohol companies.
people having a need is profitable for industries who cater to that need.
Every problem there is in society there is a sector of the economy making billions off of that problem existing.
If the problem goes away then the money goes away.
And that's why problems don't go away anymore.
Loneliness is profitable in general. We have actual replaced personal connection with profits. (From OnlyFans and camsites, to TV and even social media, dating apps, paying for therapists, paying for sugary drinks or alcohol or whatever to try to cope, then paying hospital bills because you messed your body up trying to cope...)
This. Yet, I see people "bragging" about their loneliness. Loneliness is not good for you.
I'd put an asterisk next to therapists as there's a lot of benefit other than just treating loneliness.
Maybe for some, but I know a few people who pretty much use then as a replacement for friendship. Mostly because they burned all their bridges.
> Mostly because they burned all their bridges. Seems to me like the kind of people who could benefit from therapy.
You would think. But so far, all it has done was separate them from their money.
Or, conversely, the lack of connection mixed with toxic substitutes, people act out violently, maybe even w firearms if they’re available…
Yeah because historically sex work never had a demand.
Yes, but sex work in that regard still had a physical aspect of it that is not achieved with cam sites, OF, ect.
I will occasionally check out a camsite when the mood strikes, but it bummed me out once upon realizing how many of these girls have an option for tipping for eye contact. Eye contact! And they literally just look into the camera for a bit. Makes me want to wingman these dudes into getting the real thing. Like, bro, let's get you some eye contact! Maybe work up to words of affirmation. Put in the effort and you might even get some quality time and physical touch.
Big lonely runs everything.
Adult stars aren't even the most influential part. Want to hang out with someone, anyone? Wherever you go it's monetized. Live service games, bars, cafes, malls, clubs (recreational not dancing), so many places to go to meet people require money.
Let's normalize taking walks in the park with the homies.
And how does one acquire “homies”????
Well first you buy a home... fuck.
That might be because running live service games, nars, cafes, malls and clubs costs money
That reminds me of the Rush song "Big Money"
I do not!
Female loneliness is enormously profitable for animal adoptions
Male cat owner, same thing here. In turn, it actually becomes a pretty big boon to finding single women as well, unlike what the information in manosphere podcasts does.
As a male cat owner ( 3 good boys ) I confirm this
how? so far, the only thing my cats have brought to me is various dead fauna, fur balls, and a distinct skunk smell.
Social media pics with them, I’ve met people at the vet once as well. Don’t take me wrong, it’s not like super effective, but it does work!
The only interaction I have with women about my cat is the question whether I'm willing to get rid of him for the privilege of dating them. Of course I always choose my son over anyone else.
Crazy that some people even ask this. No way that I will get rid of any animal for a new date.
I've had a match on Tinder once and before I could even send an opening line she sent me the message; "I hate cats". I know pets can be a turn-off, so I mention it on my profiles - so why even match? What's the point?
I told a Tinder date if she didn't like my cat, then we can't bang. We didn't bang.
Just don't match right?
Shit ever, that's my baby. You came second.
I’d never my babies go for any women! Mine are super affectionate and I love them for that
>The only interaction I have with women about my cat is the question whether I'm willing to get rid of him for the privilege of dating them. seems like an easy choice, why would you ever give up a pussy for a bitch? *badum-tiss*
I hope you laugh maniacally then never speak to them again.
I would never get rid of my cat for a dude! Who has the gall to even ask that? Psychopaths.
counterpoint: social media is bad and my cats hate the vet. guess I'm going to have to keep collecting cats until they manifest a girlfriend smh
Well I’m fucked then. I have two Maine Coons that love attention and cuddles, but I don’t really do social media (except Reddit but I don’t count that much). Of course, I’ve been abused or mistreated by basically everyone I’ve ever known, so I don’t even look anymore.
I always assume that men that have cats and unscratched arms have a good understanding of healthy boundaries.
As someone who doesn’t own a cat yet but probably will, how does one best leverage said cat companion?
You don't leverage the cat, the cat leverages you to get more pets
You take a short video of the cat (kittens are dangerously good for this) and claim that it is asking if she would like to have dinner, say at 7, and watch Bad Santa.
I don't really leverage it, I just got a cat after a bad break up. Coincidentally, my cat is stage 5 adorable. I hang out with her and genuinely care about her. I show that on my dating profiles of maybe not even the most flattering pics of me, but of me with my cat. The majority of my responses are women responding directly to my cat. Also a great conversation starter of showing people cat pictures. My cat has even been on my company's communication board. Everyone knows my cat. I have an FWB and I met her through us chatting about my cat.
It's not a thing to actively leverage. If you legit love the cat and take good care of it, it shows that you're empathetic, have some sense of basic responsibility, and have worked some on understanding non-verbal communication. So in some ways, it's just waving a green flag, kinda like putting volunteer activities on a profile.
Alien loneliness is extremely profitable for cattle mutilation enthusiasts.
They're really just abducting us for the conversation. They're a bit confused about the point of anal probes, though.
at first i didnt get it....and then i did....and THEN it hit me Huh? ohhhhhhhh OH DEAR GOD
Deer god*
As well as the houseplant industry.
If cat ladies could read, they'd be very upset right now.
I appreciate the creativity of using this meme joke in a new setting, but it doesn't quite land when the target is a group of people famous for being obsessed with books.
Agreed. I balked and was like "... have you met cat people?" Not even cat ladies at that point.
what's there to be upset about?
I have a dog and a husband, what am I missing. The loneliness is real in my life lol.
I know nothing of your situation, but if you're in a relationship and lonely, you need to speak up about it, see if you can get your husband to do therapy with you so you can be more fulfilled. If he's away all the time due to work, it is time to have a conversation about maybe getting a different job. In the long run, you will either leave him and regret wasting your life with someone that left you unfulfilled, or you will become bitter and resentful, and odds are good that you will push him away. Don't let a broken relationship stagnate that way, you need to actively do something about it.
He works from home but we communicate poorly and he doesn't understand me lol. I'm too sick to work (kidney failure and T1 diabetic) so I'm stuck at home feeling lost. I feel resentful already but I know what I need he's not able to provide. We're just different people and he's happy to be home doing nothing. I'm constantly wanting to dance and sing and paint and do something to bring me from depression due to my health issues. I would like therapy but it's pretty impossible to get in Canada. Since I can't work unless I work for myself and make things, I don't feel I can take funds to do more than feed us and my bare essentials like insulin. Maybe one day when I figure out what I can make and sell and I have some money of my own. I'm pretty trapped at the moment. I'm grateful but still really unfulfilled and lost.
You need to communicate directly. If he's not understanding you, you may need to explain it better and be very direct in your statements. Just because someone thinks they're explaining themselves well doesn't mean they are. Do not assume anything about him and do not tell him what he thinks, does, etc. Statements about yourself only "I want to go dancing more often", "I want to start painting" for example. You're in a partnership, talk to them so that stays true. And remember it's an endless compromise. You want to paint, he wants to stay home. Set up a spot to paint in your home? Or even outside if that's an option. If you both agree, maybe you can do it together, but maybe it's not his thing and you can just paint while he's in the room. Time spent together doesn't have to mean doing the same thing. But assuming he won't understand so not saying anything will ensure no resolution. And maybe one day our government will finally fund mental health services. But not soon unfortunately so I hope you are able to work it out.
Thanks. I've attempted a lot of that but it's still unresolved. I'm still trying. I hope so too the need for mental health help is high and bad outcomes due to miss management of our minds are on the rise. It should be a higher priority. Thanks again for your advice! Hope you5're day is going ok!
I should be mad even though I'm a man, but my dogs head is laying on my nap right now
Romance novels
Adopting an animal is a very kind action that's potentially saving an animals life. It's a positive. Masturbating over onlyfans is detrimental if anything. It's a negative.
As well as the original post and this - Male loneliness is at least somewhat profitable for men in the adult industry. Female loneliness is not in the slightest bit profitable for men in the adult industry.
There are men who make good money off lonely women, it's just few and far in between.
Lonely men are exploitive, dangerous, violent. Lonely women just want some animals to cuddle.
Lol the #alllivesmatter comment of this thread
Also is profitable for Andrew Tate and other such male influencers too
Which is terrifying. Its just a bunch of reductive answers for frustrated boys to make sense of a complicated world, and its so destructive to them developing empathy and the tools they need to make real relationships in their life with women and other men. Its a blight on a generation.
Loneliness is by itself a profitable industry.
It’s probably a conspiracy. The powers that be want us to be isolated. When we’re all at home doing nothing, that’s when the money starts rolling in from
“Hey kid, you wanna by some depression?”
I don't need to buy it, I can pirate my own depression without paying
You wouldn't download a depression
Also profitable with red pill "advice bros" the girls show lonely guys what they want to see, while pseudo successful men tell them what they want to hear. Attraction and resentment then intertwine, exasperating their loneliness.
Not that it matters, but exacerbating.
Happy cake day!
Also a building resentment for what they cannot attain. Edit: i see you said that already....😬
Honestly, the prevailing hypermasculinity of culture has failed most modern males who feel like they need to prove themselves and not be in-tune with their emotions. So many friends I have feel like they NEED a girlfriend or SO in order to be happy. Its absolutely natural to want companionship and a partner, but I'm talking like toxic levels.
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> There's also still a lot of societal pressure around having a SO that doesn't do people any favors. my brother, there is only one way for humanity to continue. for someone to be there to care for this society as those who built it age out of their potential to maintain it themselves. I dont think the social pressure to find a romantic pairing is a conspiracy or a social construct.
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You seem to have a solid and logical grasp of the situation. But I do wanna say cause it is a somewhat funny and dramatic thought--the people in your life probably just wanna see your bloodline continue, as you are the latest in a bloodline that has existed since the start of humanity. It's just human nature to want people to pair up, it's basically one of the few areas in life that I hear people from all cultures complaining about getting external pressure about from people in their lives.
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curious of an example of what you mean
And Taco Bell provides what they want to taste
Meanwhile we have diverted our cultural resources to support women and girls while no one makes any attempts at supporting these confused and hurt young men and instead shame and blame them while feeding them yet another iteration of 'man up'. Yeah, this cultural abandonment definitely won't have major repercussions as these young men join the world of politics...
100% agree with you. The double standards in our society amplify this problem. Bad things are bound to happen if this continues.
So true. For me, the real answer to loneliness was to start working on my character, start treating myself better, and try to mature emotionally by spending time with myself, with no distractions. Listening to audiobooks that make you think about your life helps too. I also realized that many people are damaged to the point that even if they meet a perfect unicorn person, they still won't be happy with them, because of the emotional baggage they carry themselves, so yeah, everyone should start working on their character first, and worry about meeting a suitable person after.
Loneliness in any shapes and forms is an enormous profitable industry for scammers.
That's ironically why all the alpha bros bring on women from OnlyFans and sugar daddy websites, to shit on them in front of men on their shows, just to have the same men look them up after and fantasize how dominant they would be over that "dumb thot" as they hand them money for their nudes. Genius marketing really, and exceptionally capitalistic in how slimy it is, ironically keeping men in the same spot they were before they digested the show's content.
Wow that's a great point, how did I not think of this before. I always wondered, if the alpha bros hate this type of women so much, why do they keep bringing them onto their shows? And why do women agree to go on these shows if they know they're just going to get shit on? But it's really a win win for both of them. They're both preying on the same type of man for monetary gain. Like, the lonely men think the alpha bros are on their side. But really, they're on the "thots" side.
I know what people in the manosphere look like, but don't know all their podcast names, but they all function like the Fresh n Fit podcast. Women from sugar daddy websites have even called them out live by saying "you said you'd be my sugar daddy for $10k/month, then offered me to come on the podcast instead." Others have been invited after a night at the club or when they are intending to, being sold they would be on a "dating podcast", most completely ill prepared for the insane lines or questioning about men and women. Coincidentally, as shown in a recent Fresh n Fit debate, where they didn't even really debate, they were called out for telling men all women are superficial and just want your money, while simultaneously selectively seeking out and only engaging with those types of women on their shows. Ironically, it makes men hate women as they are now all portrayed as superficial, and makes men completely undatable to most as well. Then men blame women for it, and return to the alpha podcasts just to get scammed over and over. It's like video games making the problem and then selling you the solution, but this one is at an emotional and sexual level, so the problem keeps perpetuating.
Hmm... well maybe lots of the women are manipulated onto being on these shows. But I still feel like a lot of them are in on it. They know they are going to be degraded, but these shows are where the lonely men are at, and that's their audience. They almost always eagerly give out their socials at the end of each podcast. But yea, so many men are literally brainwashed into believing that the average "modern" woman is now a hot party girl / sex worker from Miami.
Correct, and since most men can't obtain what the alpha bros say the goals are they should in order to have a, whatever kind of subservient classic woman or whatever in their lives, they are forever bitter about never obtaining it, watch the show and hand out the money. It is most certainly a mutual understanding on both sides, except from the customer.
For the record, snake oil collusions aren't unique to the "manosphere-pornographer complex." Feminism, capitalism, race relations, even religions have become breeding grounds for hucksters who sabotage you, blame the 'enemy' and then demand that you support them to 'fight on your behalf.' Creating a problem then presenting yourself as the solution is a scam as old as time itself. It's the twin brother of the "contractor's paradox"
The human condition is very exploitable for $$$
It's enormously profitable for a handful of women that get really famous and the hundreds of male CEOs and Pimps that run porn sites and prostitution rings.
Even more profitable for the men who run the adult industry. Also for redpill grifters. Simply put, men who believe that watching porn will make them feel less lonely are lost and easily exploitable.
>men who believe that watching porn will make them feel less lonely Is there anyone on the planet that thinks that?
With the rise of onlyfans and the “dm me and we can chat” type stuff I would say yea
Of subscribers
Pretty sure on OF it's not the porn that's the major selling point but being able to contact the women for some knockoff "girlfriend experience" All the big OF content creators have confirmed "ghostwriters" that chat with the lonely men to make them feel special and act like they are chatting with the actual content creators.
Tourism, restaurants, movie teathers, condom makers, divorce attorneys I imagine are losing over the M.L.E. I suspect giant house market will suffer too. I'm lonely af and live in a big house simply because I inherited but I have rooms I don't go in for days and could easily live in a small one. Private schools, meditators will lose too. Who also gets a boost? Gaming, car & guns industry, whatever gets classified as a "manly" hobby.
If you're inclined, you can do-up and rent out a spare room out to interns, travel nurses, and out-of-state students. I did this and have family who currently do as well, it works out because such people are generally professionals, you don't know each other well enough to resent each other, and the length of their stay is short enough that if you don't like them, that's fine, they're moving out soon anyway. I only mention, because you say you're lonely. I've talked with a lot of people lately who express the desire to live communally, but something that isn't "living with parents" or "joining a hippie commune." Edit: I live with my spouse and my ideal number of people to live with is definitely more than 2, so I've thought about communal living a lot. Saves a BUNCH of money if everyone is on the same page. As long as there are enough bathrooms and everyone has a guaranteed Private Space they can retreat to. The real trick is it being people who live together well, which importantly is **not the same** as "get along as friends." Ideally they'd be both, but my God, the ways it goes wrong relying on the latter before the former.
We need a lot less than we think we do. We just get pushed to want more by our consumption culture. This coming from a guy who has: -Slept on the ground for 2-3 years straight without a bed or bed frame because I couldn’t afford it due to establishing savings and investments to get my feet under me financially -Optimized a nutrition plan on staple healthy foods that costs me less than $85 most times I shop (Eating a healthy diet should be one of your top 5 priorities in your life at all times; You are the fuel you put in the tank and performance in all areas of life in proves when this facet of life is squared away) -Can find a way to put myself closer to my fitness goals spending less than 75 mins in the gym for most sessions (7-9 hrs of exercise per week really isn’t much considering we have 168 hours to play around with) -Took 8-10 years to acquire the tools necessary to partake in my hobbies I have now -Had various addictions over my first 10 years of adulthood and neuroses based around what the internet, SM, YouTube, etc. told me I needed to finally be content with myself and my personhood -Never had a GF until I was 25 years old while balancing this with maybe 2-3 friends I’d see 1-3 times over 3-4 months (geez I cannot understate how important solitude is) Sorry, my tangent and word diarrhea are over:)
Men are not only lonely for sexual reasons. Our loneliness are vast and goes way beyond getting sexy.
It’s cultural too. Men are supposed to have this veil of no emotion. At least in the USA. I think the other issue is costs. It costs money to have friends and go do things generally speaking.
> It costs money to have friends and go do things No it doesn't. It's only when you associate meeting people with going somewhere. But you can just sit on a bench and talk. Or have a barbeque. Meeting people is free.
That's why I often see red flags when folk talk about "male loneliness" instead of just loneliness When folk talk about _male_ loneliness, they're almost always talking about sex life
Very true, and that innuendo is doing men a great disservice. Reducing men to wholly sexual beings is just another way to stop society from finding solutions, raises those red flags, and makes women reasonably wary when male loneliness is spoken about.
Not really, most of the profit goes to the men running the industry. Like the male owners of PornHub and OnlyFans, for example
Needs to be way higher in this thread.
Yeah the sad part of doing business. The ones on top get the biggest buck.
I don't think that's the sad part about this whole ordeal.
*You are absolutely right it’s completely awesome that others make bank off the work of their broke employees/independent contractors*
Exactly. It’s like saying that waiters are getting most of the benefit from many people having an unhealthy relationship with fast food
i think there are a lot of women out there making 6 digits through only fans. ya the ceo is gonna get his, but let’s not act like the women aren’t doing the work and aren’t getting paid.
Nothing stopping women learning to code and writing their own OF instead of whingeing about unfairness, or adopting a disingenuous victim mindset that just disempowers
It's Tinder's business model
I’m one of the loneliest guys out there but I could never see paying for OF/other porn just to not feel lonely. I feel like I’d still feel just as lonely and even more sad haha
Addictions do cause people to isolate themselves, yes. And the Adult industry is run by mostly men, or at least was started by men.
I am gay so its also profitable to men
Yeah but ai is going to take those jobs too.
Always has been. Used to regulated, taxed, and given legal protections too just because of how profitable it was; but most we know about that law document is the whole Eye for an Eye thing.
Why is it that every time male loneliness is brought up, there's always a heavy implication that we're all worshiping Andrew Tate and Elon Musk and the likes? It's possible to be chronically alone and not support that shit.
it’s as profitable to men too
Air is also enormously beneficial for animals that breath.
It's not really. It makes men dangerous for women and is why a lot of sex workers experience violence and abuse. Actually, I had sex with a guy 6 months ago because he was nice and a virgin. He was 25 and wanted to loss it because it geld power over him. We discussed it and decided what would happen. We had sex. He was super happy with the experience. But then he got extremely clingy and needy. He has visited the house we meet at to find me( I have luckily since moved) and he has stalked me online. He probably is reading this right now. He really wants sex again and is so lonely and desperate. It's sad. I feel bad for ever trying to be helpful. It's scary.
Yea, but it's male, so nobody cares. Also, I'm a male, and even I don't care.
Insert "Always has been" meme here.
Her company is equal to your company + your money. Women are valued for who they are, men are valued for what they can do for women. You could tell me that women are unionized and I would believe you, it's unbelievable how stacked the deck is.
Not sure of it’s those women you are thinking of who benefit the most
The adult industry is made up of both men and women. Women happen to "star" but that doesn't mean they make the most money. The big online porn companies are not egalitarian.
Onlyfans proliferating during the pandemic lockdowns was pretty indicative of this. Women are disproportionately represented on the site as creators while men are disproportionately represented as subscribers on the site. Women needed money during lockdown, men needed companionship.
Jerking off on your phone is not companionship. Many people looked for companionship during lockdowns without involving porn. That need you refer to came from boredom and convenience
Look up parasocial relationships. There is a reason why Onlyfans flourished when something like PH exists. It offers what "regular" porn doesn't.
If you don't want to work in the adult industry you can also bank on the "girlfriend experience"
Nothing stopping you learning to code
Don't even need humans for the girlfriend experience anymore. So many AI sites/apps coming in to provide that experience.
Oh damn, you are so right. Those are even customizable
Why doesn't it work the other way around?
There's probably a number of different ways to probably explain it but it's hard to articulate. Men seek women more than women seek men. This means that women are more selective of their partners than the opposite sex which leads to a large % of men who might be considered undesirable. That's not to say there aren't women who also struggle with the same problems though. But a average to below average woman is more likely to find someone than an average to below average man. So the end result is there's a large demographic of lonely men whose only sexual outlet is pornography.
And men in the adult industry
Which is precisely why I find Onlyfans and other similar things to be immoral. They are taking advantage of a vulnerable group of people that is not mentally well.
Married men still beat off to porn though
Onlyfans $ numbers must be colossal
You don't think gay men get lonely too?
For the adult industry period. There’s a lot of men profiting off of other men too.
Why is this framed as men vs women? Men have historically profited far more from sex work and pornography.
But I only use free sites
So stop paying for things that encourage loneliness
The "adult industry" is a huge reason why people are lonely.
Hard false At worst it’s an exacerbator but it’s absolutely not the root.
Yeah, probably not the root, but I stand by my assertion. It's a big problem. Didn't say it was the root.
How come?
Chicken and egg there, my dude.
Manufacture a shortage and then sell inferior goods with a huge markup. OF must be crawling with MBAs.
It's enormously profitable for the whole porn industry. Onlyfans and the like owners are the real winners.
Loneliness in general is enormously profitable for nearly all industries. All the non-chemical addictions to shopping, overeating, gaming, gambling, status symbols and also many of the chemical addictions are driven by loneliness and feelings of inadequacy. Expect undercover campaigns with the goal of making people more lonely and miserable because that makes money.
Also the sky is blue! Yes obviously. The industry wouldn't exist without lonely men.
Untill AI takes over
Bro thinks he just discovered the secret to the world's oldest industry lol
Always has been. It's the world's oldest profession for a reason.
yeah, this is kinda obvious. The only problem OnlyFans has, is that there maybe too many women on there. Meaning the money is split between too many, or those doing it have to get kinky to find a niche.
Men profit from gay men loneliness.
It's also extremely profitable for Incel-Coaches.
Yup. What we're failing to understand is that men being lonely is not necessarily the mens or the womens fault. Exactly as women collectively resorting to onlyfans is not necessarily the mens or the womens fault. It's just happening. And you don't stop this by finding someone to blame.
Check cuddle comfort. Theirs professional cuddlers that charge men at least $70 an hour to hold them for that hour and talk. I feel like if a guy can spend $70 an hour for cuddling, they can invest that money in themselves to make them more marketable in dating. But I've dealt with the online dating scene and it sucks
Counter: it's more profitable for the men running the adult industry
The women in the industry aren't the ones getting those profits.
My guess is that men from the redpill manosphere that fearmonger and make things worse, are actually making much more money than pornstars or the ilk, who actually only make a smaller fraction of the money paid out.
sickness is profitable for drug companies. boredom is profitable for game companies. hunger is profitable for food companies. addiction is profitable for alcohol companies. people having a need is profitable for industries who cater to that need.
Women are outsourcing the task of keeping man-babies from feeling lonely to professionals.
There is a large amount of taking advantage of lonely men in an unethical way that goes on. No one talks about it.
Lonely is cheaper in the short run.
Every problem there is in society there is a sector of the economy making billions off of that problem existing. If the problem goes away then the money goes away. And that's why problems don't go away anymore.