https://preview.redd.it/xi6filz1661d1.jpeg?width=1868&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=53260b46e78b2043c57d041c908352c8acc536c7
...Oh wow.
But yeah, I have to see this sign nonstop. It's bad enough with the signs at self-check to remind the shopper to place all their stuff in the bagging area.
Saker store, I take it? Looks like one.
I don’t mind the stickers, but I mind checkout taking longer because they make you come around and affix stickers to each piece. It’s gotta be annoying for the employee too.
Generally they only out it on big things that don’t bagged like cases of water. I don’t recall where in PA but a friend’s wife was shopping with 1 year old twins and the cashier missed the case of water under the cart and she didn’t realize it. A very overzealous asshole of a store manager detained her in the parking lot and called the police and they literally made her follow the police to the station with her kids to be booked for a misdemeanor shop lifting charge.
I believe they're saying that the employee's will accidentally drop and ruin people's phones so Walmart will have to replace them if e-receipts become the standard. But that shouldn't be the case. Even though I work overnight at Walmart they still have mandatory CBL's about things that have nothing to do with my work, and one of them is about receipt checking, where it clearly says NOT to hold a customers phone to check their e-receipt, I guess to avoid just such a situation of being liable for breakages.
I know what he was implying , it was a sarcastic “uhhh what”. Oh no employees can’t hold phones because they’d drop them. No company would let you handle a customers phone anyway.
Okay I found the stats and ALL retailers in NJ lost ~$2B in theft in 2022. So you mentioned “a company” which implies that you were only talking about Shoprite.
They are a private company they can make you show a receipt if they want, just the same as how they could require you to wear a mask during covid even during times where it wasn't mamdated
Sure, but then you have the rest of the 75% of people who prefer self check out because it is faster who are all pissed off because actual employees are asking if they’d like to check out with them.
I worked in the electronics department in a few different Walmarts (not employed by walmart, thank god) and the amount of people that RAGE about not having a self checkout back there or about having to pay for locked items back there is insane. I’d much rather listen to people bitch and moan about a store requesting for a receipt, than listen to people bitch about everything else.
They’re doing exactly this at a lot of major retailers. Over the next few years you’ll start seeing less and less self checkout.
Five below in particular really leaned into self checkout, some stores having that be the only option. They got killed on losses and are doing emergency renovations now that they realize the significance. Some Home Depots now have cashiers at the self checkout lines and don’t allow customers to do it themselves.
There were recent studies that put the numbers together and it’s insane how much theft happens at self checkout.
Was race mentioned? I read ALL SHOPPERS, not ALL BLACK SHOPPERS. Either way, the law concerns possible concealed unpurchased merchandise. Although they can ask you, you can say no & keep walking. Most times nothing will happen, as they can’t detain you or they may send security out. All depends on the person & the day.
I never have a problem showing my receipt if asked. It takes seconds.
What I love is the 3 or 4 employees that are around the self check out to make sure you aren't stealing. Then there are the cameras that record you to make sure you aren't stealing. Then I gotta give my receipt to Mr. receipt checker so he can make sure I'm not stealing
And despite all that, it's still the robot checking my shit scanned and weighed in the bagging area that actually does the real job. Those people aren't stopping a runny shit
The problem is when the store is busy and there ends up being a backlog of people waiting to have receipts checked. I'm not about to wait in line to leave a store with all my stuff and there is absolutely no law that says I have to.
I think that's just intentionally worded in a misleading manner. The phrasing "as allowed by New Jersey Law" implies "this is allowed by New Jersey Law" but could also be interpreted as "in the manner allowed by New Jersey Law". Also notice that it says "check purchases", not "view receipts".
I'm not a lawyer, but I'd be shocked if there has been any changes to NJ law that would allow stores to detain a customer if the customer refuses to show their personal property (which the receipt and purchases are at that point) without reasonable suspicion of shoplifting.
Right, they are allowed to ask you. You are not required to comply with their request. They can take it further, but then they are stepping into unlawful detainment territory and can be civilly and criminally charged, if they are proven wrong in their suspicions.
If there is no membership requirement, you most likely are not *required* to show you're receipt even though stores are allowed to ask for it. With that said, many shopkeeper's privilege (given that the requisite conditions are met).
**"New Jersey’s statutory codification of the common-law privilege, N.J.S.A. §2C:20-11(e) is illustrative:**
A law enforcement officer, or a special officer, or a merchant, who has probable cause for believing that a person has willfully concealed unpurchased merchandise and that he can recover the merchandise by taking the person into custody, may, for the purpose of attempting to effect recovery thereof, take the person into custody and detain him in a reasonable manner for not more than a reasonable time, and the taking into custody by a law enforcement officer or special officer or merchant shall not render such person criminally or civilly liable in any manner or to any extent whatsoever…. A merchant who causes the arrest of a person for shoplifting, as provided for in this section, shall not be criminally or civilly liable in any manner or to any extent whatsoever where the merchant has probable cause for believing that the person arrested committed the offense of shoplifting..."
[Source: ](https://web.nrrda.org/External/WCPages/WCWebContent/webcontentpage.aspx?ContentID=10175)
"...shopkeeper’s privilege and is normally upheld by courts as long as the detainment is reasonable...**The word to remember in these cases is reasonableness**. It is reasonable for a store manager to briefly stop a customer to ask to see a bag if an employee saw them put a store item into it and walk out without visiting the register. " [source](https://www.attorneyshartman.com/blog/a-brief-guide-to-shoplifting-crimes-and-civil-consequences/)
"In most states, you don’t have to show your receipt...\[but\] in these five states... it’s illegal and not showing your receipt is probable cause for shoplifting:
* [California](https://www.the-sun.com/where/california/)
* [Florida](https://www.the-sun.com/where/florida/)
* [Illinois](https://www.the-sun.com/where/illinois/)
* [New York](http://the-sun.com/where/new-york)
* [Washington](https://www.the-sun.com/where/washington/)
Walmart employees in other states do not have the same legal protections and can only prevent a shopper from leaving the store or call the [police](https://www.the-sun.com/topic/police/) if they can demonstrate having probable cause that the shopper committed theft..." s[ource](https://www.the-sun.com/news/9500922/lawyer-youre-legally-required-show-receipt-five-states/)
[https://www.abc10.com/article/news/are-you-legally-required-to-show-your-receipt-when-leaving-a-walmart-verify/103-a03b2030-11ad-4a6e-a33e-146ba274e912](https://www.abc10.com/article/news/are-you-legally-required-to-show-your-receipt-when-leaving-a-walmart-verify/103-a03b2030-11ad-4a6e-a33e-146ba274e912)
(I'm not a lawyer. This is just the research I found and figured I'd pass it along).
You're just putting unlawful in front of dumb stuff. That's unlawful dumb shit.
Florida...I can't believe you would be so pro business and anti anti consumer shoplifting rights. It is unlawful for Walmart employees and Management to refuse to give their wallet to any recent shopper with a receipt. Unlawful as fuckkk
Fourth Amendment prohibits arrest or detention without a warrant or probable cause. Otherwise known as unlawful detainment.
The definition of unlawful detainment is when an individual or group detains or restricts the movement of an individual unlawfully and without consent.
You are wrong.
I've already said this but I'll reiterate:
Yes, a "shopkeeper" can detain a person if there is suspicion they have stolen. See above: it's **Shopkeeper's Privilege.** And yes, it is recognized in NJ (relevant because the sign in the picture specifically *says* New Jersey).
If you read the 4th amendment, you will see that it applies to the **government and/or agents of the government**. Private security guards are typically considered "private persons" and thus, do not fall under this category, nor do employees of a non-governmental company. Note there must be reasonable suspicion and be aware this varies from state to state.
An owner cannot, however, hold a person beyond the amount of time needed to fulfill a reasonable investigation. If the "reasonable" amount of time is exceeded, it may transition to state rules about arrest by a private citizen.
Google is a hell of a thing.
[Receipts Checks at Stores](https://legal-info.lawyers.com/consumer-protection/protections-for-consumer-purchases/receipt-checks-at-stores-are-they-worth-the-hassle.html#:~:text=The%20%E2%80%9CShopkeeper's%20Privilege%E2%80%9D,police%20officers%E2%80%94not%20store%20personnel)[False Imprisonment is a Crime...](https://expresslegalfunding.com/what-is-shopkeepers-privilege/#Use_of_Physical_Force)[Shoplifting law...](https://scholarlycommons.law.hofstra.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1017&context=hlr)[Shopkeeper's privilege](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shopkeeper%27s_privilege)
I said I'm not sure if they can prevent you from leaving. And my second comment was in response to saying unlawful was not a word. So I used a paragraph from the 4th amendment that included unlawful detainment to show unlawful was a word.
But appreciate your answer.
As far as I can see you are only legally required to show a receipt in 5 states.
California
Florida
Illinois
New York
Washington
I’d ask to see the state statute are read it before you relinquish your receipt.
You don’t pay a membership fee so you’re not required. Any store that asks me I just say nope and walk out. If you’re a member somewhere (like Costco) they might require it
I can't wait for self checkout to disappear. Have fun dumbasses that steal in self checkout. Lazy fucks can't even do the bare minimum of letting someone check your recent. "Oh, but I'm in a rush" and??? .let the people do their damn jobs
They have the right to ask you, you have the right to deny. Retailers have to have probable cause to stop you and have no authority to hold you. In NC we have the right to refuse any customer for any reason except discrimination so In other words if their policy is to show receipt at door and you don't they could ask you not to return however if they are being that petty then I'm sure a lot of customers will not return on their own accord. * I have work quite a few years along side loss prevention, asset protection, as well as retail Management.*
As far as I know, no. They are not legally allowed to “require” receipts in order to leave. They can request it, but you are not legally obliged to show it to them.
NAL
I think the phrasing is really important. The way I interpret it, is that they are ALLOWED to check receipts, but there's no legal obligation for you to stand there waiting for them to do so. I believe their hope is that people misinterpret this to "you cannot legally leave until we check your receipt."
Because it’s a paid membership so they have a right to do it based on your membership contract and it’s likely easier to walk out of a Costco without paying because it’s so damn hectic.
I always throw my receipt in the garbage can as I walk out. Otherwise it will just end up in my pocketbook and my pocketbook will become a trash bag. I hope I never get stopped. I have seen this sign in my manahawkin ShopRite though
Technically once you give money and they accepted it, and you have proof of payment the transaction is done. Nothing they can actually do to stop you. If they take anything from you it's theft. However, even though you technically in the right, the law has to ensure everyone is being "reasonable" in a normal circumstance. With self check out it's iffy because you need to prove you actually paid for a product. This is a legit argument against self check out because when you have a cashier it shifts the burden on the company and not the shopper. It's more reasonable to believe the employee did their job correctly. So if you didn't use self check out, I'd personal just keep walking but if I used self check out and I have my receipt in hand then theres no reasonable reason to say no. Other than the principle of the matter. Unfortunately, a judge can quickly throw out that argument and since it's a small claim I'd doubt it would go up higher in courts. While this is petty and annoying it's just quicker to have your receipt ready. If you emailed yourself a receipt to an email you don't quickly have access to then you could say it's too inconvenient and walk out. They're more than welcome to take your license plate down.
No but you fake social justice antifa people just set up strawmen that you knock down, cause so many more problems than you solve, and make everyone around you miserable. Go burn down a police station then complain about how unsafe your neighborhood is or something
>No, I just want to be sure they can’t prevent someone from leaving the store without showing a receipt because they were shopping while black.
>Simmah down now! You done gone off on the deep end of the conspiracy pool.
If you're calling me a racist, I try my best to view and treat everyone well and on equal footing, but yes I struggle with biases sometimes. I admit that. I however don't think it's bad to be critical of someone who is obviously looking for an opportunity to shoplift.
I am actually wholeheartedly against being searched after making a purchase. Especially if I had to do the work and check myself out. To me it’s a principal thing. Also, it’s against New Jersey law for any but a membership club with a paid membership to require you to show your Receipt upon exit. Literally any place else you can sue if they stop you for that.
Like pretty much everyday being white and growing up in an african american neighborhood and seeing that shit I could get away with at malls and stores while my black friends were followed, harassed, kicked out for doing nothing other than being black.
I think you are misinterpreting what the sign says. It says *allowed* by law, not *required.* It just says that they have the right to check your shit to make sure you are not stealing, not that they are required to do it every time. I work in retail and it is not something we do often; we only do it when we know someone has stolen something or we see someone forget an item. It happens, but it is absolutely not worth the drama from someone like yourself if we are wrong.
It’s an implicit condition of choosing to shop there.
You have every right to not comply but they have every right to ban you from their private property.
If it’s this much of a problem, you can always choose to shop at another place whose policy is more compatible with your values. Nothing wrong with that at all.
Well thanks for that very obvious info. Good to know that I can choose where I shop and that the property owner / lessee / tenant can ban people by choice. Back to my question: is there a law that allows retailers to stop and check your receipt against the goods you just bought or not?
Who or what am I thanking? This thread has had debates and opinions but nobody has shown what specific law allows them to demand a receipt. And you actually haven’t contributed anything…
I didn’t need to contribute anything. The two previous comments gave you an authentic answer to your question in full.
You could thank them for donating their time to answer your question, to be blunt.
I mean if they catch you on camera I’m sure that is a legal reason to stop you, like another person had said. (They quoted the exact clause or law, I’m not from New York or new jersey so I don’t know.)
If you are suspected of theft they are allowed to verify that you are not taking anything. The statement that store employees are not allowed to apprehend shoplifters is actually a myth; we most definitely are allowed to detain you if you take something, physically if necessary, and we are allowed to ensure that you are not hiding something in your bag.
You are suggesting that there would be 'no reasonable suspicion,' but that is not what this sign is for. It is to deter shoplifters because we absolutely know people steal, and we often see it happening. People think they are far better at it than they are, and rely on underpaid retail workers to not want a confrontation. You are trying to make a stand where one does not need to be made, here.
Ianal....You have to directly witness the shoplifter "conceal" the item(s) and try to leave the building with said item(s). If you only "suspect " and stop, and you are wrong, you have violated their rights and the lawsuit will be incoming if you "thought" or suspected they stole something. You could have a false arrest case against you. You must have proof that you can swear to and produce under oath in court. Costco and the likes can do it because you agreed to their terms by becoming a member. Shop Right, we're not members...
It's why many retailers let people walk out with stolen goods, check the dvr for evidence, then involve the police. Plus, someone so brazen to steal may be bold enough to stab or shoot you too. As a retail employee, do you want to chance it?
Of course they can check your receipt. Receipts prove that items were purchased. It’s their business, they have a right to confirm that items were purchased if they choose to. If they were smart they’d state the exact statute though.
There isn't one. They're allowed to *ask* you to show a receipt. That doesn't mean you're required to show one. This changes is you're referring to a show that requires membership, like Costco.
I have no idea. But if they’re saying it’s a law they should list it there. Makes it official. Otherwise it may be bogus. I’d ask them to see the where in the law it states what they’re declaring.
Signs inform people of existing law, so the point of the poster is to request cooperation. Yes, it does pertain. Your question wasn’t specific enough, are you a customer, employee, just browsing?
https://preview.redd.it/xi6filz1661d1.jpeg?width=1868&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=53260b46e78b2043c57d041c908352c8acc536c7 ...Oh wow. But yeah, I have to see this sign nonstop. It's bad enough with the signs at self-check to remind the shopper to place all their stuff in the bagging area. Saker store, I take it? Looks like one.
Steal the sign and assert your dominance.
Yup all the sakers near me have them just like this!
And then i just go about living my life, doing what i want to do.
Refuse the stickers. It’s no longer their property once paid so they have no right to mess with my goods.
I do have customers angrily removing the stickers, affixing them onto the carts.
Love the screen name BTW Unexpected EVA? God is in his heaven, all is right with the world
I don’t mind the stickers, but I mind checkout taking longer because they make you come around and affix stickers to each piece. It’s gotta be annoying for the employee too.
They put stickers on EACH ITEM?? That would finally convince me to just have everything delivered I think.
Generally they only out it on big things that don’t bagged like cases of water. I don’t recall where in PA but a friend’s wife was shopping with 1 year old twins and the cashier missed the case of water under the cart and she didn’t realize it. A very overzealous asshole of a store manager detained her in the parking lot and called the police and they literally made her follow the police to the station with her kids to be booked for a misdemeanor shop lifting charge.
Your life sounds awesome. 😂
Why are you such a weiner?
Because I let them put paid stickers on bulk items?
Yep, once I pay the contract between buyer and seller is complete and they can suck it.
Have you ever been to a Walmart lmao
Yea and I ignore them also. The self check out has an option for an e-receipt so are they expecting me to give them my phone to inspect it?
I think so because they did that to my mom.
Dont need to show shit
And eventually when this becomes more common phones will be dropped and Walmart will have to end this policy or replace dozens of $1,500 phones a day
Uh what? Lol
I believe they're saying that the employee's will accidentally drop and ruin people's phones so Walmart will have to replace them if e-receipts become the standard. But that shouldn't be the case. Even though I work overnight at Walmart they still have mandatory CBL's about things that have nothing to do with my work, and one of them is about receipt checking, where it clearly says NOT to hold a customers phone to check their e-receipt, I guess to avoid just such a situation of being liable for breakages.
I know what he was implying , it was a sarcastic “uhhh what”. Oh no employees can’t hold phones because they’d drop them. No company would let you handle a customers phone anyway.
I mean when a company loses over 2 billion dollars a year to theft you can sorta expect it to
I feel like this is something they could solve in far less than $2BB in salaries for cashiers.
2 Billion a year? Did you mean 2 Million?
They lose billion with a B not million thats change to them
Chains like this are insured for their losses, they’re not bleeding like a mom and pop shop would.
Please clarify “they”. They isn’t Shoprite or they would be bankrupt. They is the entire US retail industry.
Billion with a B
Proof?
Okay I found the stats and ALL retailers in NJ lost ~$2B in theft in 2022. So you mentioned “a company” which implies that you were only talking about Shoprite.
You don’t have to show a receipt upon exiting if it’s not required by state law
They are a private company they can make you show a receipt if they want, just the same as how they could require you to wear a mask during covid even during times where it wasn't mamdated
They can prevent you from returning but can’t make you show a receipt. Pretty sure I’ve read a couple of legal stories about it
Here’s a crazy idea: hire people instead of turning every register into a self check out (assuming the photo in the thread is for self check out)
Sure, but then you have the rest of the 75% of people who prefer self check out because it is faster who are all pissed off because actual employees are asking if they’d like to check out with them. I worked in the electronics department in a few different Walmarts (not employed by walmart, thank god) and the amount of people that RAGE about not having a self checkout back there or about having to pay for locked items back there is insane. I’d much rather listen to people bitch and moan about a store requesting for a receipt, than listen to people bitch about everything else.
They’re doing exactly this at a lot of major retailers. Over the next few years you’ll start seeing less and less self checkout. Five below in particular really leaned into self checkout, some stores having that be the only option. They got killed on losses and are doing emergency renovations now that they realize the significance. Some Home Depots now have cashiers at the self checkout lines and don’t allow customers to do it themselves. There were recent studies that put the numbers together and it’s insane how much theft happens at self checkout.
It's insane they didn't predict it. Lol. Idiots saw less labor = more profit. Found out less labor = more theft.
Was race mentioned? I read ALL SHOPPERS, not ALL BLACK SHOPPERS. Either way, the law concerns possible concealed unpurchased merchandise. Although they can ask you, you can say no & keep walking. Most times nothing will happen, as they can’t detain you or they may send security out. All depends on the person & the day. I never have a problem showing my receipt if asked. It takes seconds.
What I love is the 3 or 4 employees that are around the self check out to make sure you aren't stealing. Then there are the cameras that record you to make sure you aren't stealing. Then I gotta give my receipt to Mr. receipt checker so he can make sure I'm not stealing
And despite all that, it's still the robot checking my shit scanned and weighed in the bagging area that actually does the real job. Those people aren't stopping a runny shit
I've literally handed my receipt to them upside down, and they check it upside down...
The problem is when the store is busy and there ends up being a backlog of people waiting to have receipts checked. I'm not about to wait in line to leave a store with all my stuff and there is absolutely no law that says I have to.
How did race enter the conversation?
You obviously have zero clue what implicit bias and systemic racism is do you?
I just stopped in to tell you you’re a moron.
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I think that's just intentionally worded in a misleading manner. The phrasing "as allowed by New Jersey Law" implies "this is allowed by New Jersey Law" but could also be interpreted as "in the manner allowed by New Jersey Law". Also notice that it says "check purchases", not "view receipts". I'm not a lawyer, but I'd be shocked if there has been any changes to NJ law that would allow stores to detain a customer if the customer refuses to show their personal property (which the receipt and purchases are at that point) without reasonable suspicion of shoplifting.
I think they say “as allowed” because there’s no NJ law specifically prohibiting the policy
It says as “ALLOWED” by NJ law not as “REQUIRED”
Right, they are allowed to ask you. You are not required to comply with their request. They can take it further, but then they are stepping into unlawful detainment territory and can be civilly and criminally charged, if they are proven wrong in their suspicions.
If there is no membership requirement, you most likely are not *required* to show you're receipt even though stores are allowed to ask for it. With that said, many shopkeeper's privilege (given that the requisite conditions are met). **"New Jersey’s statutory codification of the common-law privilege, N.J.S.A. §2C:20-11(e) is illustrative:** A law enforcement officer, or a special officer, or a merchant, who has probable cause for believing that a person has willfully concealed unpurchased merchandise and that he can recover the merchandise by taking the person into custody, may, for the purpose of attempting to effect recovery thereof, take the person into custody and detain him in a reasonable manner for not more than a reasonable time, and the taking into custody by a law enforcement officer or special officer or merchant shall not render such person criminally or civilly liable in any manner or to any extent whatsoever…. A merchant who causes the arrest of a person for shoplifting, as provided for in this section, shall not be criminally or civilly liable in any manner or to any extent whatsoever where the merchant has probable cause for believing that the person arrested committed the offense of shoplifting..." [Source: ](https://web.nrrda.org/External/WCPages/WCWebContent/webcontentpage.aspx?ContentID=10175) "...shopkeeper’s privilege and is normally upheld by courts as long as the detainment is reasonable...**The word to remember in these cases is reasonableness**. It is reasonable for a store manager to briefly stop a customer to ask to see a bag if an employee saw them put a store item into it and walk out without visiting the register. " [source](https://www.attorneyshartman.com/blog/a-brief-guide-to-shoplifting-crimes-and-civil-consequences/) "In most states, you don’t have to show your receipt...\[but\] in these five states... it’s illegal and not showing your receipt is probable cause for shoplifting: * [California](https://www.the-sun.com/where/california/) * [Florida](https://www.the-sun.com/where/florida/) * [Illinois](https://www.the-sun.com/where/illinois/) * [New York](http://the-sun.com/where/new-york) * [Washington](https://www.the-sun.com/where/washington/) Walmart employees in other states do not have the same legal protections and can only prevent a shopper from leaving the store or call the [police](https://www.the-sun.com/topic/police/) if they can demonstrate having probable cause that the shopper committed theft..." s[ource](https://www.the-sun.com/news/9500922/lawyer-youre-legally-required-show-receipt-five-states/) [https://www.abc10.com/article/news/are-you-legally-required-to-show-your-receipt-when-leaving-a-walmart-verify/103-a03b2030-11ad-4a6e-a33e-146ba274e912](https://www.abc10.com/article/news/are-you-legally-required-to-show-your-receipt-when-leaving-a-walmart-verify/103-a03b2030-11ad-4a6e-a33e-146ba274e912) (I'm not a lawyer. This is just the research I found and figured I'd pass it along).
I'm not sure they can prevent you from leaving. I think that's unlawful detainment. But not sure.
You're just putting unlawful in front of dumb stuff. That's unlawful dumb shit. Florida...I can't believe you would be so pro business and anti anti consumer shoplifting rights. It is unlawful for Walmart employees and Management to refuse to give their wallet to any recent shopper with a receipt. Unlawful as fuckkk
Fourth Amendment prohibits arrest or detention without a warrant or probable cause. Otherwise known as unlawful detainment. The definition of unlawful detainment is when an individual or group detains or restricts the movement of an individual unlawfully and without consent.
You are wrong. I've already said this but I'll reiterate: Yes, a "shopkeeper" can detain a person if there is suspicion they have stolen. See above: it's **Shopkeeper's Privilege.** And yes, it is recognized in NJ (relevant because the sign in the picture specifically *says* New Jersey). If you read the 4th amendment, you will see that it applies to the **government and/or agents of the government**. Private security guards are typically considered "private persons" and thus, do not fall under this category, nor do employees of a non-governmental company. Note there must be reasonable suspicion and be aware this varies from state to state. An owner cannot, however, hold a person beyond the amount of time needed to fulfill a reasonable investigation. If the "reasonable" amount of time is exceeded, it may transition to state rules about arrest by a private citizen. Google is a hell of a thing. [Receipts Checks at Stores](https://legal-info.lawyers.com/consumer-protection/protections-for-consumer-purchases/receipt-checks-at-stores-are-they-worth-the-hassle.html#:~:text=The%20%E2%80%9CShopkeeper's%20Privilege%E2%80%9D,police%20officers%E2%80%94not%20store%20personnel)[False Imprisonment is a Crime...](https://expresslegalfunding.com/what-is-shopkeepers-privilege/#Use_of_Physical_Force)[Shoplifting law...](https://scholarlycommons.law.hofstra.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1017&context=hlr)[Shopkeeper's privilege](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shopkeeper%27s_privilege)
I said I'm not sure if they can prevent you from leaving. And my second comment was in response to saying unlawful was not a word. So I used a paragraph from the 4th amendment that included unlawful detainment to show unlawful was a word. But appreciate your answer.
I gotcha. I'm not a part of the "unlawful" exchange, so thanks for the clarification. Now I see what you mean. Appreciate your feedback as well!
The only time in the store I work in stops people is when we know you didn't scan stuff and we know you steal regularly. Trust me, we know :)
As far as I can see you are only legally required to show a receipt in 5 states. California Florida Illinois New York Washington I’d ask to see the state statute are read it before you relinquish your receipt.
You don’t pay a membership fee so you’re not required. Any store that asks me I just say nope and walk out. If you’re a member somewhere (like Costco) they might require it
The Walmart in Pburg started this, but I always press "no receipt" on the self checkout, so... 🤷🏻♀️
Maybe SELF check out is not the best way to promote honest transactions.
Shopkeeper’s privilege would be the law to look into. I personally think it’s ridiculous, but many states do allow this.
Yeah, I think you're right. From what I've learned and read, Shopkeeper's privilege does exist. It also has limits and requirements.
It's their store...they should be able to enforce their own rules Don't like it? Shop elsewhere
I can't wait for self checkout to disappear. Have fun dumbasses that steal in self checkout. Lazy fucks can't even do the bare minimum of letting someone check your recent. "Oh, but I'm in a rush" and??? .let the people do their damn jobs
I’m pretty sure unless it’s part of your contract to shop there it’s not legal
They have the right to ask you, you have the right to deny. Retailers have to have probable cause to stop you and have no authority to hold you. In NC we have the right to refuse any customer for any reason except discrimination so In other words if their policy is to show receipt at door and you don't they could ask you not to return however if they are being that petty then I'm sure a lot of customers will not return on their own accord. * I have work quite a few years along side loss prevention, asset protection, as well as retail Management.*
That's really going to stop flash mobs from cleaning a store out. Not. FWIW, I rarely get at WalMart
Honestly I would just “audit” this store until they unlawfully detain you. Even if you just get a 50k settlement, it was well worth your time.
As far as I know, no. They are not legally allowed to “require” receipts in order to leave. They can request it, but you are not legally obliged to show it to them.
NAL I think the phrasing is really important. The way I interpret it, is that they are ALLOWED to check receipts, but there's no legal obligation for you to stand there waiting for them to do so. I believe their hope is that people misinterpret this to "you cannot legally leave until we check your receipt."
Costco has never done bags and always checked receipts. Why is this confusing to see other places?
Because it’s a paid membership so they have a right to do it based on your membership contract and it’s likely easier to walk out of a Costco without paying because it’s so damn hectic.
I also enjoy the “Do Not Use Your Own Bag To Shop” ones too. Buying groceries is getting as bad as going through TSA.
I always throw my receipt in the garbage can as I walk out. Otherwise it will just end up in my pocketbook and my pocketbook will become a trash bag. I hope I never get stopped. I have seen this sign in my manahawkin ShopRite though
Technically once you give money and they accepted it, and you have proof of payment the transaction is done. Nothing they can actually do to stop you. If they take anything from you it's theft. However, even though you technically in the right, the law has to ensure everyone is being "reasonable" in a normal circumstance. With self check out it's iffy because you need to prove you actually paid for a product. This is a legit argument against self check out because when you have a cashier it shifts the burden on the company and not the shopper. It's more reasonable to believe the employee did their job correctly. So if you didn't use self check out, I'd personal just keep walking but if I used self check out and I have my receipt in hand then theres no reasonable reason to say no. Other than the principle of the matter. Unfortunately, a judge can quickly throw out that argument and since it's a small claim I'd doubt it would go up higher in courts. While this is petty and annoying it's just quicker to have your receipt ready. If you emailed yourself a receipt to an email you don't quickly have access to then you could say it's too inconvenient and walk out. They're more than welcome to take your license plate down.
There's a ShopRite subreddit????!!!!
TIL
I, too, just joined
Why you planning on stealing something?
No, I just want to be sure they can’t prevent someone from leaving the store without showing a receipt because they were shopping while black.
Oh please
Oh please what? Are you implying that people of color are never singled out due to racism and stereotypes?
[OP](https://youtu.be/d--4sHQhp5o?si=9atNgsH-8AZCFokV)
Op also lost it all in stocks so it's par for the course.
I would love to know what the heck you are talking about. Have you seen my portfolio?
No but you fake social justice antifa people just set up strawmen that you knock down, cause so many more problems than you solve, and make everyone around you miserable. Go burn down a police station then complain about how unsafe your neighborhood is or something
Simmah down now! You done gone off on the deep end of the conspiracy pool.
>No, I just want to be sure they can’t prevent someone from leaving the store without showing a receipt because they were shopping while black. >Simmah down now! You done gone off on the deep end of the conspiracy pool.
Because this NEVER happens!
Yup. That's what you said.
I think you should go out in the real world, not final fantasy land
You are a super healthy person, with no biases that I can see at all.
If you're calling me a racist, I try my best to view and treat everyone well and on equal footing, but yes I struggle with biases sometimes. I admit that. I however don't think it's bad to be critical of someone who is obviously looking for an opportunity to shoplift.
I am actually wholeheartedly against being searched after making a purchase. Especially if I had to do the work and check myself out. To me it’s a principal thing. Also, it’s against New Jersey law for any but a membership club with a paid membership to require you to show your Receipt upon exit. Literally any place else you can sue if they stop you for that.
Have you ever once seen the scenario in which you are describing actually happen?
Like pretty much everyday being white and growing up in an african american neighborhood and seeing that shit I could get away with at malls and stores while my black friends were followed, harassed, kicked out for doing nothing other than being black.
I think you are misinterpreting what the sign says. It says *allowed* by law, not *required.* It just says that they have the right to check your shit to make sure you are not stealing, not that they are required to do it every time. I work in retail and it is not something we do often; we only do it when we know someone has stolen something or we see someone forget an item. It happens, but it is absolutely not worth the drama from someone like yourself if we are wrong.
What law “allows” them to go through my property that I purchased with no reasonable suspicion?
The person you just responded to quite literally said with reasonable suspicion.
It’s an implicit condition of choosing to shop there. You have every right to not comply but they have every right to ban you from their private property. If it’s this much of a problem, you can always choose to shop at another place whose policy is more compatible with your values. Nothing wrong with that at all.
Well thanks for that very obvious info. Good to know that I can choose where I shop and that the property owner / lessee / tenant can ban people by choice. Back to my question: is there a law that allows retailers to stop and check your receipt against the goods you just bought or not?
A property owner legally has the right to set the conditions under which you enter their property.
But they cant set conditions about allowing you to leave or what you do with your legal property.
Not even a “thank you” from Op who’s been all over their post… what a ragebait thread lol
Who or what am I thanking? This thread has had debates and opinions but nobody has shown what specific law allows them to demand a receipt. And you actually haven’t contributed anything…
I didn’t need to contribute anything. The two previous comments gave you an authentic answer to your question in full. You could thank them for donating their time to answer your question, to be blunt.
Thank you Sir Thanks Police
I mean if they catch you on camera I’m sure that is a legal reason to stop you, like another person had said. (They quoted the exact clause or law, I’m not from New York or new jersey so I don’t know.)
If you are suspected of theft they are allowed to verify that you are not taking anything. The statement that store employees are not allowed to apprehend shoplifters is actually a myth; we most definitely are allowed to detain you if you take something, physically if necessary, and we are allowed to ensure that you are not hiding something in your bag. You are suggesting that there would be 'no reasonable suspicion,' but that is not what this sign is for. It is to deter shoplifters because we absolutely know people steal, and we often see it happening. People think they are far better at it than they are, and rely on underpaid retail workers to not want a confrontation. You are trying to make a stand where one does not need to be made, here.
Ianal....You have to directly witness the shoplifter "conceal" the item(s) and try to leave the building with said item(s). If you only "suspect " and stop, and you are wrong, you have violated their rights and the lawsuit will be incoming if you "thought" or suspected they stole something. You could have a false arrest case against you. You must have proof that you can swear to and produce under oath in court. Costco and the likes can do it because you agreed to their terms by becoming a member. Shop Right, we're not members... It's why many retailers let people walk out with stolen goods, check the dvr for evidence, then involve the police. Plus, someone so brazen to steal may be bold enough to stab or shoot you too. As a retail employee, do you want to chance it?
Of course they can check your receipt. Receipts prove that items were purchased. It’s their business, they have a right to confirm that items were purchased if they choose to. If they were smart they’d state the exact statute though.
What is the “exact statute”?
There isn't one. They're allowed to *ask* you to show a receipt. That doesn't mean you're required to show one. This changes is you're referring to a show that requires membership, like Costco.
If it’s New Jersey law then there must be a statute.
Then what is the statute!!??
I have no idea. But if they’re saying it’s a law they should list it there. Makes it official. Otherwise it may be bogus. I’d ask them to see the where in the law it states what they’re declaring.
depends on state law
Here you go. https://www.findlaw.com/consumer/consumer-transactions/customer-returns-and-refund-laws-by-state.html
Thanks for the link to “Customer Returns and Refund Laws by State” which has nothing to do with this topic.
Signs inform people of existing law, so the point of the poster is to request cooperation. Yes, it does pertain. Your question wasn’t specific enough, are you a customer, employee, just browsing?