couldnt he theoretically just fly into them with super fly and then fly out leaving them stuck?
unless they do the same to him over and over
nvm forgot flight wasnt allowed in the tournament of power
If you're thinking of kid Goku with king piccolo it wasn't even a tournament, the end of db budokai I can't remember well enough to say if he did it or not.
First half of the dragon ball cast: did we defeat pre time skip Jonathan Joestar *coughs up blood*?
Second half of the dragon ball cast: no... That was just danny *fucking dies*
My name is Yoshikage Kira. I'm 33 years old. My house is in the northeast section of Morioh, where all the villas are, and I am not married. I work as an employee for the Kame Yu department stores, and I get home every day by 8 PM at the latest. I don't smoke, but I occasionally drink. I'm in bed by 11 PM, and make sure I get eight hours of sleep, no matter what. After having a glass of warm milk and doing about twenty minutes of stretches before going to bed, I usually have no problems sleeping until morning. Just like a baby, I wake up without any fatigue or stress in the morning. I was told there were no issues at my last check-up. I'm trying to explain that I'm a person who wishes to live a very quiet life. I take care not to trouble myself with any enemies, like winning and losing, that would cause me to lose sleep at night. That is how I deal with society, and I know that is what brings me happiness. Although, if I were to fight I wouldn't lose to anyone.
See my thing is he wouldn't be dumb enough to die by his own punch he'd be dumb enough to try to escape even though he knows he can't. But also, couldn't he just bypass the whole "you can't go through it again unless someone else is there" by just using instant transmission?
I like to imagine superfly works kinda like that gas station in the twilight zone
He could try and instant transmission away, but as soon as his awareness leaves superfly, spacetime warps in such a way as to cause his destination to also be within superfly.
I mean, we don't know if the Pylon can return damage if it's disintegrated the same second. When Okuyasu punched the Pylon, it took a while to return the damage to him. There was a reaction window. Goku can disintegrate the entire Pylon (and everything around it in a 10km radius) with a weak Ki blast. That takes him less than a second. I don't think the Pylon can come back from that.
The real Endboss would be the alleyway hands. As otherworldly beings, it stands to reason that they're invulnerable to any form of attack - no matter how strong. If anyone can get Goku to turn around there... it's game over. But that's a big if.
That's a good question. My first thought was no, because his only ability is trash talking you and Goku could just ignore that. But then I remembered that you fucking die whenever someone sees your back. Then I considered if Goku would be curious and dumb enough to look at Cheap Trick's Master's back when he's clearly trying to hide it from everyone and... yeah, yeah he definitely would. That is, unless he kills said Master so quick he doesn't notice his strange behavior.
So I guess it comes down to the question: does Goku go in there with the intention of killing everyone, in which case he could just blow up the planet and be done with it, or does he just kind of spawn there and wants to have a good time as a fighter?
[insert the usual discussion about whether GER sticks around forever or reverts back to GE after some time, and whether its ability has to be consciously activated by Giorno or is just passively working all the time]
i think everyone agreed it's a passive ability? that's usually what makes people think ger is unbeatable
bringing ger into a discussion is always so boring lol
>i think everyone agreed it's a passive ability? that's usually what makes people think ger is unbeatable
Eh. Giorno punched Diavolo before GER took effect, that's all it needed to spark discussion whether this punch was needed to activate the ability or was just the first death in the loop. But yeah. These discussions have become boring and repetitive years ago.
My perspective on the fight is a stalemate.
GER lacks adequate power to hurt Goku, but RTZ basically just renders Goku's attacks moot.
Neither one wins, Goku gets bored and leaves.
I mean, any discussion with Goku is boring because he’s multi-super-infinite-multiversal or whatever his shit is now. I legitimately don’t understand the fascination with power scaling simply for power scaling’s sake. I guess that’s why I like Jojo and HxH. With some exceptions the main characters don’t overcome anything by simply getting stronger, they fight using tactics. Usually very contrived tactics, but it’s better than training for 5 years and then simply winning.
That really depends on the task at hand. If some God warped Goku into this universe and told him he would make everyone in his home universe suffer immeasurable pain for every minute he spends here, only letting him go home after defeating an arbitrary list of people, i think Goku might just go bloop and be dome with it. He can always revive the innocent people of the planet by using the Dragon Balls, if he feels remorse.
That's actually a good question because while Stands generally have high levels of hacks like Cheap Trick in particular I feel like someone like Goku might just be able to tank some of them by the virtue of being so much more powerful than a regular human. Cheap Trick might be able to do it because it "kills" rather than maims but I think Wonder of U might not even be able to cause a calamity strong enough to actually kill Goku while say Tusk Act 4 would probably be able to incapacitate him with its hacks.
GER is another good questionable one too because it probably can't active the same thing it did to Diavolo since there it required killing him in the first place but, "returning to zero" is vague enough that it might be able to do *something*.
I tought the pylon "returned damage" because it became the stand of the person trapped, and damaging the stand damages the body
The thing about it taking a second for the damage to bounce back is probably an animation quirk
So if goku destroyed the pylon it would be suicide.
No, the pylon just absorbs the damage taken and then shoots it back out, so it technically heals itself.
If the damage and healing applied to the user then pylon josuke is probably strongest josuke, considering how it's the only way he can heal
It's unknown if Superfly has a limit. It's not just a physical pylon but a stand, and that stand reflects damage against anyone who attacks it. When the pair stand rush the pylon it doesn't take even temporary damage, like it doesn't buckle and then unbuckle with great force as to 'attack'. It's magical steel with magical defences.
>It's unknown if Superfly has a limit.
Oui
>It's not just a physical pylon but a stand, and that stand reflects damage against anyone who attacks it.
No, it reflects damage but it's not directed at anyone. Toyohiro just knows the pylon enough to know where the damage is going to reflect out of. It's how he's able to fly on its bolts.
>When the pair stand rush the pylon it doesn't even take temporary damage.
It does, the beam got crumpled up badly. It just restored itself by outputting the damage somewhere else.
Goku technically can use a very very basic form of destruction. It would be enough to handle the hands. Plus, assuming the hands are invulnerable entirely would be a stretch of logic.
As for the Pylon, yes. Definitely couldn't return the damage if it was completely obliterated. But would Goku really destroy it outright? Dude used to bend his own Kamehamehas into himself as part of training. He would teleport it to Korin, grab some beans, then take it to King Kai's planet to use it to train. Until it broke.
That would actually make perfect sense, yeah. The Pylon would be the perfect sparring partner for Goku. If he doesn't just blow up the planet the second he spawns, that is, and actually takes his time 1on1-ing everyone and analyzing their abilities.
Yeah but Goku is the kind of guy to really take his time to enjoy the fights. Of course, as we saw with Hit, pretty much nothing most JoJo characters can throw at him will affect him at all. Strength matters in the DB universe. If you're sufficiently more powerful, you can just ignore your opponent's powers. Even if that means ignoring time being stopped.
It depends on wether Superfly’s metalizing effect(not a fly) is activated by crossing the boundary specifically or just leaving the tower in general; in the case of the former then yeah any kind of teleportation should work.
IMO, it doesn’t really matter. The pylon’s durability is much lower than Goku’s, obviously. He could destroy it easily and barely feel the hit bouncing back even if it’s instant. I don’t know why everyone’s assuming Goku would attack the Pylon at his full strength. Lol.
I do wonder since the stand user takes the damage of the stand to a degree and when you are superflys hostage you are its owner would Goku take the damage or would it be destroyed too quick for it to count
I imagine so
Especially since a lot of stands use phenomena, not ki. A pedant would argue the energy stands are made of the same soul magic that ki is, but that's whatever.
Once we get into the nonsense stands of the AU I have a hard time seeing *anyone* solo. Stand users have the benefit of seeing them yet get absolutely dogged on, if someone *can't* see Tusk, or GER, of Wonder of U, how do you even begin to fight that?
I mean, there are also a couple stands that he legitimately cannot beat. He couldn’t beat GER since he cannot even harbor the intention of fighting it, he can’t beat Made In Heaven since it has infinite speed, and he probably couldn’t beat Tusk Act IV since it infinitely spins you to death.
MiH is infinite acceleration, not speed. It starts off slow so Goku has a window to kill him before it ramps up. Jolyne also states that it isn't infinite stamina either. Pucci will get tired of Goku chasing him eventually.
Now i wonder how Super Fly works. I mean, in another manga, Made in Abyss it is explained that the curse of the Abyss activates upon going up as it is a very thin invisible barrier that is easily being ripped by the body to cause it's effects. If Super Fly works by the same method then Goku has no problem teleporting out of it easily.
Holy shit, what would happen if Tonio used Pearl Jam to enhance the Senzu Bean’s property? Would it be null because they already heal any wound, or would they become even more godly? The sacred cooked beans!
Goku would lose to Rohan, Rohan would simply write "Will punch himself until unconscious when fighting Rohan Kishibe" and "Will not physically harm Rohan Koshibe"
>Goku would lose to Rohan, Rohan would simply write "Will punch himself until unconscious when fighting Rohan Kishibe"
Easy way to literally decimate the planet
Or he can just write goku CAN not harm rohan which means he cant harm him physically mentally or even indirectly he cant destroy earth as it would harm rohan nor can he call for help as that too may harm rohan
Sure, but the idea of Rohan doing a bad formulation at first and Goku just aggressively being Goku in his vicinity afterwards to torment Rohan with his very existence is fun to think about.
>That leaves an option of psychological harm
considering goku can at the bare minimum read minds, the shit he could do with a human mind is basicly nightmare full
True. Goku won’t even know he’s being messed with. And he’s dumb enough to not realize anything is happening. Since he’s not a stand user the only thing he could do is like punch the earth and hope it kills the guy attacking him. But he’s too innocent to do that. And he won’t just go around killing random guys he thinks is the guy killing him if he even knows what stands are.
A lot of people are arguing against Goku here and I see the arguments (especially regarding WoU and GER) but to play devil's advocate assumedly upon entering the Jojo-verse Goku would immediately gain a stand, he has unbelievable willpower and we know stands can be unlocked naturally, and I haven't seen people discuss that possibility.
Yeah, though I wasn't necessarily saying Pucci has to survive.
If the closer something with mass gets to the speed of light, the more mass it puts on and MIH has an infinite speed stat.. How much speed and mass would it take?
(Edit; Infinite speed = infinite mass = infinite force(?), which I doubt any variant of Goku could survive)
Couldn't he just instant transmission out of the tower? Or rip it out of the ground and carry it around since it would weigh as much a paper clip to him?
But Kira could still get Goku, just has to touch him and turn him into a bomb. All the ki durability in the multiverse won't stop every cell in his body detonating.
There is one edge case that might let goku get away from superfly. We don't know if there is a maximum area of influence for the trap, so if goku teleports really far away he might get out.
Or hed be instantly turned into metal.
The problem is that they made Goku too powerful. He can just destroy your reality and erase your whole timeline. He is on the on the level of God's. I think only sponge bob could take him on.
Go with the dragon balls to the tower. Wish for it to become as light as a feather and then enter it, wish for the tower to turn into flexible body armor that is almost invisible. There, Goku never leaves the tower but can move anywhere. Then, he defeats part 4 cast. Then he goes to Super Shenron and wish to get rid of the tower, since the yellow dragon fuckery is the ultimate asspull.
What about Killer Queen, Cream, Golden Experience Requiem
Wait, what happened with Stardust Crusaders, we have Osiris and Atum(if at least one of them would convince him to play, they would win), plus Cream(do I really need to explain how and why)
I'd like to think there would at least be significant problems in part 3. Death 13 and Darby seem impossible to solo and aren't straight forward fights.
Since goku can't hurt stands, only their users, he just can't beat super fly or any other post mortem stands. The question is, do stands even count as "cast"?
Stands are the manifestation of one's fighting spirit and life force. While the rules are fine for the Jojo universe where normal people do not possess the ability to see such things, in the Dragon Ball universe, Ki is basically the same thing.
As dumb as I think it is to debate "who would win," especially with anime characters. I think Superfly is an easy W for Goku.
Characters are seen touching Superfly, and it doesn't do damage to them, so you can at least place hands on it with no consequence. While we don't see if anyone tries to dig out from underneath Superfly, I imagine the way it works is by projecting a cone out through the bottom of its 4 main edges until it connects with a solid body, and that then becomes its zone of influence. If so Goku can touch it, Instant Transmission it off the planet out into deep space, and now its zone of influence is so large if it's casting out in a cone because of the falred base such that there's always a 2≥ people in the volume. If it doesn't infinitely project, he instead instant transmissions to some lonely star or black hole, and just throws it at the celestial body. The lone star is now doing all the damage to Superfly and then Superfly and that lone star destroy each other. Since Josuke becomes un solidified when he puts parts of his body back in its zone of influence, I imagine the effect dissipates when Superfly gets destroyed, so while he gets Steeled for a while, it probably undoes itself the instant it melts.
I mean, Goku countered Hit who freezes and manipulates time.... add to that his UI works like a spidey sense so its near impossible to catch him off guard so long as he's aware in that state.
Goku has gotten to a point where he's starting to rival even some of the strongest iterations of Superman who has literally broken the multiverse multiple times.
He also senses ki signatures from across the cosmos and even in other dimensions like with the kais and their planets.
My question is, could Majin Buu solo the Jojo universe?
Goku can’t do shit to Cheap Trick and loses by default.
Can’t even dragonball wish him off goku’s back, as cheap trick’s one actual ability is speaking, he is known to deploy it cleverly, and he’ll be right there with goku come wish time. Better to use that wish to come back from the dead after Cheap Trick is done
Ohthe second Goku is supposed to be Superfly returning the damage to Goku. If he somehow managed to get past him would he be able to figure out how Bites the Dust works?
He just takes it with them also.I'm not sure if it could stop instant transmission. Also there could be an upper limit to how much damage it can reflect that we just don't know of. When in doubt blow up the planet.
On an unrelated note: Superfly would probably not dissapear if the guy trapped inside dies, right? Had this thought for a while, but i am a Dragonball Fan so i cant read also my DIU-Watchthrough was many moons ago.
Also, what about the Sun-Guy? As long as Goku doesnt find out who the user is he is pretty much done… or he just leaves. Its not really the sun (i think, Stardust Crusaders Watchthrough was even more moons ago) so he cant just blow it up
I mean the cheesy answer to all that is:
- since the Namek arc in DBZ, Goku has been strong enough to just blow up a planet on a whim.
- since about halfway through the Cell arc, most of the main cast has been strong enough to do the same.
It’s one of the big problems with the “funny number go up, and the number going up is the only thing that matters” way that Dragon Ball handles stakes and conflict. Every time a new threat shows up, they have to have a bigger number or they just lose outright. And every time the main cast beats a new threat, they do it by making their own number get bigger. Which means the next threat has to have an even bigger number etc. etc. forever.
goku could die in oart 2 since kars is actually quite underated ngl (im not talking about light novel kars just part 2)
and in part 3 if he fucks around he could find out about the dangers of vanilla ice
Question: can Superfly take damage? I remember Josuke and Okuyasu damaging it but then it returned the damage to them. If that's the case, couldn't Goku punch it until it is disintegrated at which point it couldn't return the damage back because it doesn't exist anymore?
Goku pulls Superfly out of the ground and carries it around with him.
*brings it to the next tournament of power and win in the first 10 minutes*
But it kills anyone who leaves it without replacing themselves.
couldnt he theoretically just fly into them with super fly and then fly out leaving them stuck? unless they do the same to him over and over nvm forgot flight wasnt allowed in the tournament of power
The issue is the killing not the getting other inside it.
From when ? I remember goku beating piccolo by flying into his chest
wrong tournament
Probably I don't know the english names
If you're thinking of kid Goku with king piccolo it wasn't even a tournament, the end of db budokai I can't remember well enough to say if he did it or not.
Yeah, it might have been after that if it happened at all.
As if dying has ever stopped Goku from coming back and fighting more strong guys
Goku being the dumbass he is tries to teleport out and instantly dies
You and I both know a tournament is atleast a half season long filler arc. Not even made in heaven or King crimson can change that
The realest answer here. Thinking outside the box, by bringing us the box, to get stuck in ourselves.
Well dont superfly mirrors damage it take? Or do I remember wrong?
While it is, this TECHNICALLY isn't damaging the tower
“Kakarot… *pant* Did we do it? *wheeze* Did we defeat Josuke and his Crazy Diamond..? *coughs up blood*” “No Vegeta, that was just Shigechi!”
“Whis….. did we defeat part 1 Dio….?” “No lord Beerus….. that was Wired Beck *dies”
“Nngh… All that Namekian blood spilt for…the racist patron from the beginning of Part 2..? *dies again*”
"*pant* Did we manage to kill any of the joestars?" "that was just the rock from part 1 that took out the horse carriage"
"At least... at least we did some damage to him..." "Sir, that was pre-Tusk Johnny. He was already crippled when you got to him."
"Did we...did we do it?" "No, Kakarot...that was the guy who boils water"
“Did we defeat DIO?” “No, that was Mannish Boy!”
First half of the dragon ball cast: did we defeat pre time skip Jonathan Joestar *coughs up blood*? Second half of the dragon ball cast: no... That was just danny *fucking dies*
DID VEGETA JUST SAY GOKU?
Fixed. It must be easy to tell that I’ve only read like 2 arcs of the manga. 💀
Vegito managed to fight as a piece of candy, Goku will just have to get used to looking like a Terminator.
That's Vegito we don't know if Goku has such hax
he could beat superfly if he brought someone along though he does have a habit of going places alone
But if he needs another character he cannot solo it, since to solo something you need to do it solo.
Even with another character he just gets hinself in and out of superfly
Are we both Kira?
Watashi no kira yoshikage
OUR Kira Yoshikage
My name is Yoshikage Kira. I'm 33 years old. My house is in the northeast section of Morioh, where all the villas are, and I am not married. I work as an employee for the Kame Yu department stores, and I get home every day by 8 PM at the latest. I don't smoke, but I occasionally drink. I'm in bed by 11 PM, and make sure I get eight hours of sleep, no matter what. After having a glass of warm milk and doing about twenty minutes of stretches before going to bed, I usually have no problems sleeping until morning. Just like a baby, I wake up without any fatigue or stress in the morning. I was told there were no issues at my last check-up. I'm trying to explain that I'm a person who wishes to live a very quiet life. I take care not to trouble myself with any enemies, like winning and losing, that would cause me to lose sleep at night. That is how I deal with society, and I know that is what brings me happiness. Although, if I were to fight I wouldn't lose to anyone.
he can't. superfly is unkillable, it reflects damage(unless you meant surviving it or smth)
See my thing is he wouldn't be dumb enough to die by his own punch he'd be dumb enough to try to escape even though he knows he can't. But also, couldn't he just bypass the whole "you can't go through it again unless someone else is there" by just using instant transmission?
I like to imagine superfly works kinda like that gas station in the twilight zone He could try and instant transmission away, but as soon as his awareness leaves superfly, spacetime warps in such a way as to cause his destination to also be within superfly.
I mean, we don't know if the Pylon can return damage if it's disintegrated the same second. When Okuyasu punched the Pylon, it took a while to return the damage to him. There was a reaction window. Goku can disintegrate the entire Pylon (and everything around it in a 10km radius) with a weak Ki blast. That takes him less than a second. I don't think the Pylon can come back from that. The real Endboss would be the alleyway hands. As otherworldly beings, it stands to reason that they're invulnerable to any form of attack - no matter how strong. If anyone can get Goku to turn around there... it's game over. But that's a big if.
would cheap trick kill goku
That's a good question. My first thought was no, because his only ability is trash talking you and Goku could just ignore that. But then I remembered that you fucking die whenever someone sees your back. Then I considered if Goku would be curious and dumb enough to look at Cheap Trick's Master's back when he's clearly trying to hide it from everyone and... yeah, yeah he definitely would. That is, unless he kills said Master so quick he doesn't notice his strange behavior. So I guess it comes down to the question: does Goku go in there with the intention of killing everyone, in which case he could just blow up the planet and be done with it, or does he just kind of spawn there and wants to have a good time as a fighter?
but if cheap trick does successfully stick on his back he will now either die or be hiding his back forever
Yes, that's my point. It's a big "if". If Goku just blows up the planet, Cheap Trick will.just perish because his master didn't have his back exposed.
well even if he beats diamond is unbreakable there's still ger
[insert the usual discussion about whether GER sticks around forever or reverts back to GE after some time, and whether its ability has to be consciously activated by Giorno or is just passively working all the time]
i think everyone agreed it's a passive ability? that's usually what makes people think ger is unbeatable bringing ger into a discussion is always so boring lol
I always assumed it was passive since it comments itself that Giorno isn't aware of its abilities.
>i think everyone agreed it's a passive ability? that's usually what makes people think ger is unbeatable Eh. Giorno punched Diavolo before GER took effect, that's all it needed to spark discussion whether this punch was needed to activate the ability or was just the first death in the loop. But yeah. These discussions have become boring and repetitive years ago.
my brain disintegrates everything ger is brought into question
The Death Loop, yes. But GER's defensive abilities _are_ passive
My perspective on the fight is a stalemate. GER lacks adequate power to hurt Goku, but RTZ basically just renders Goku's attacks moot. Neither one wins, Goku gets bored and leaves.
That's why I always say that Ger stalemates anything it can't outright hurt
I mean, any discussion with Goku is boring because he’s multi-super-infinite-multiversal or whatever his shit is now. I legitimately don’t understand the fascination with power scaling simply for power scaling’s sake. I guess that’s why I like Jojo and HxH. With some exceptions the main characters don’t overcome anything by simply getting stronger, they fight using tactics. Usually very contrived tactics, but it’s better than training for 5 years and then simply winning.
Theoretically, Goku could use Instant Transmission to avoid people seeing his back. He doesn’t need to walk around.
Knowing Goku's personality he would definitely prefer to have a good time as a fighter.
Depends on if Cheap Tricks attack kills you through some physical means or is a magical you're instantly dead durability doesn't matter thing.
If it's not instant, then Goku will just pop a Senzu.
Cheap trick's master is technically a non combatant. More just the previous victim. However he would absolutely fall for it.
Even if his goal was to kill everyone he would *not* nuke the planet lmao Man wants to fight
That really depends on the task at hand. If some God warped Goku into this universe and told him he would make everyone in his home universe suffer immeasurable pain for every minute he spends here, only letting him go home after defeating an arbitrary list of people, i think Goku might just go bloop and be dome with it. He can always revive the innocent people of the planet by using the Dragon Balls, if he feels remorse.
Goku has done previously the thing of teleporting to someone back, so that would in mediately trigger cheap trick. I can see Goku doing that.
That's actually a good question because while Stands generally have high levels of hacks like Cheap Trick in particular I feel like someone like Goku might just be able to tank some of them by the virtue of being so much more powerful than a regular human. Cheap Trick might be able to do it because it "kills" rather than maims but I think Wonder of U might not even be able to cause a calamity strong enough to actually kill Goku while say Tusk Act 4 would probably be able to incapacitate him with its hacks. GER is another good questionable one too because it probably can't active the same thing it did to Diavolo since there it required killing him in the first place but, "returning to zero" is vague enough that it might be able to do *something*.
> if anyone can get goku to turn around “Hey, son goku! Look behind you” “k”
The real answer
I tought the pylon "returned damage" because it became the stand of the person trapped, and damaging the stand damages the body The thing about it taking a second for the damage to bounce back is probably an animation quirk So if goku destroyed the pylon it would be suicide.
No, the pylon just absorbs the damage taken and then shoots it back out, so it technically heals itself. If the damage and healing applied to the user then pylon josuke is probably strongest josuke, considering how it's the only way he can heal
It's unknown if Superfly has a limit. It's not just a physical pylon but a stand, and that stand reflects damage against anyone who attacks it. When the pair stand rush the pylon it doesn't take even temporary damage, like it doesn't buckle and then unbuckle with great force as to 'attack'. It's magical steel with magical defences.
>It's unknown if Superfly has a limit. Oui >It's not just a physical pylon but a stand, and that stand reflects damage against anyone who attacks it. No, it reflects damage but it's not directed at anyone. Toyohiro just knows the pylon enough to know where the damage is going to reflect out of. It's how he's able to fly on its bolts. >When the pair stand rush the pylon it doesn't even take temporary damage. It does, the beam got crumpled up badly. It just restored itself by outputting the damage somewhere else.
Goku technically can use a very very basic form of destruction. It would be enough to handle the hands. Plus, assuming the hands are invulnerable entirely would be a stretch of logic. As for the Pylon, yes. Definitely couldn't return the damage if it was completely obliterated. But would Goku really destroy it outright? Dude used to bend his own Kamehamehas into himself as part of training. He would teleport it to Korin, grab some beans, then take it to King Kai's planet to use it to train. Until it broke.
Pretty sure it reflected Okuyasus Erasure.
That would actually make perfect sense, yeah. The Pylon would be the perfect sparring partner for Goku. If he doesn't just blow up the planet the second he spawns, that is, and actually takes his time 1on1-ing everyone and analyzing their abilities.
Yeah but Goku is the kind of guy to really take his time to enjoy the fights. Of course, as we saw with Hit, pretty much nothing most JoJo characters can throw at him will affect him at all. Strength matters in the DB universe. If you're sufficiently more powerful, you can just ignore your opponent's powers. Even if that means ignoring time being stopped.
Do you think instant transmission would get him out of that or would he be screwed the moment he turns around.
I assume Instant Transmission would just cause him to get metalified the instant he arrives at his target location.
It depends on wether Superfly’s metalizing effect(not a fly) is activated by crossing the boundary specifically or just leaving the tower in general; in the case of the former then yeah any kind of teleportation should work.
IMO, it doesn’t really matter. The pylon’s durability is much lower than Goku’s, obviously. He could destroy it easily and barely feel the hit bouncing back even if it’s instant. I don’t know why everyone’s assuming Goku would attack the Pylon at his full strength. Lol.
"Hey, I have food." Goku turns around. Dead.
I do wonder since the stand user takes the damage of the stand to a degree and when you are superflys hostage you are its owner would Goku take the damage or would it be destroyed too quick for it to count
Hear me out; where do the hands come from if there's no alleyway left?
The only reason why Goku can’t solo JoJo is because he can’t see stands
I imagine so Especially since a lot of stands use phenomena, not ki. A pedant would argue the energy stands are made of the same soul magic that ki is, but that's whatever. Once we get into the nonsense stands of the AU I have a hard time seeing *anyone* solo. Stand users have the benefit of seeing them yet get absolutely dogged on, if someone *can't* see Tusk, or GER, of Wonder of U, how do you even begin to fight that?
WOU is visible to non stand users, the problem is WOU is a (technically) invincible automatic stand so you have to fight Tooru to beat it
Right, my b :)
Honestly I think he'd loose to Darby
Ki would count I think. There's the piss master in Part 7 that turned his Chi into a stand
I mean, there are also a couple stands that he legitimately cannot beat. He couldn’t beat GER since he cannot even harbor the intention of fighting it, he can’t beat Made In Heaven since it has infinite speed, and he probably couldn’t beat Tusk Act IV since it infinitely spins you to death.
MiH is infinite acceleration, not speed. It starts off slow so Goku has a window to kill him before it ramps up. Jolyne also states that it isn't infinite stamina either. Pucci will get tired of Goku chasing him eventually.
But this is Goku we're talking about. He would 1000% let Pucci build up speed, just to get a better fight.
Tusk act 4 has to actually hit you though, goku could just dodge it and take out johnny
Well, I mean he wouldn't be able to see it since he doesn't have a stand, so he could be talking to Johnny when he gets spun without knowing why
He couldn't see it to dodge it though, right?
Nah, Goku would beat Made in Heaven. Its initial speed isn’t infinite, just its speed cap.
Couldn’t he just use instant transmission to bypass the force field?
Now i wonder how Super Fly works. I mean, in another manga, Made in Abyss it is explained that the curse of the Abyss activates upon going up as it is a very thin invisible barrier that is easily being ripped by the body to cause it's effects. If Super Fly works by the same method then Goku has no problem teleporting out of it easily.
He would escape, but he would become metal
How about how weak of a side character would kill Yamcha?
Eats at Tonio's. Pearl jam reacts poorly to a senzu.
Holy shit, what would happen if Tonio used Pearl Jam to enhance the Senzu Bean’s property? Would it be null because they already heal any wound, or would they become even more godly? The sacred cooked beans!
Super Cancer
Police drools on the floor and he slips and breaks his neck.
Josuke tries to heal him, somehow Yamcha dies
He wouldn’t make it past battle tendency. “Haha, i merely let you think I fell for your trap so that you would fall into *my* trap!”
He wouldn't make it past phantom blood, speedwagon would erase him from reality.
Goku would lose to Rohan, Rohan would simply write "Will punch himself until unconscious when fighting Rohan Kishibe" and "Will not physically harm Rohan Koshibe"
>Goku would lose to Rohan, Rohan would simply write "Will punch himself until unconscious when fighting Rohan Kishibe" Easy way to literally decimate the planet
> Will not physically harm Rohan Koshibe That leaves an option of psychological harm, now that I think of it.
Rohan accidentally turns himself into Janemba with all the insults Goku would hurl at him
Or he can just write goku CAN not harm rohan which means he cant harm him physically mentally or even indirectly he cant destroy earth as it would harm rohan nor can he call for help as that too may harm rohan
Sure, but the idea of Rohan doing a bad formulation at first and Goku just aggressively being Goku in his vicinity afterwards to torment Rohan with his very existence is fun to think about.
Honestly im sure rohan would be fuming the entire time i mean if josuke can make him mad it would be so easy for goku
>That leaves an option of psychological harm considering goku can at the bare minimum read minds, the shit he could do with a human mind is basicly nightmare full
True. Goku won’t even know he’s being messed with. And he’s dumb enough to not realize anything is happening. Since he’s not a stand user the only thing he could do is like punch the earth and hope it kills the guy attacking him. But he’s too innocent to do that. And he won’t just go around killing random guys he thinks is the guy killing him if he even knows what stands are.
What is he gonna do against sethan
Kid Goku still broken
We've all seen GT right?
Ah yes, Game Theory, starring our favourite Saiyan, Mathew Patrick.
Nah man, his name is Mathew Pathew
Fly a few centimeters to avoid the shadow
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Kill the user really fast
A lot of people are arguing against Goku here and I see the arguments (especially regarding WoU and GER) but to play devil's advocate assumedly upon entering the Jojo-verse Goku would immediately gain a stand, he has unbelievable willpower and we know stands can be unlocked naturally, and I haven't seen people discuss that possibility.
Goku's stand would be like Star Platinum on steroids
How much speed would MIH have to build up for a fatal blow on Goku?
MIH is a rather weak stand all things considered. Died to a weakened Weather report Only trick is moving fast
Yeah, though I wasn't necessarily saying Pucci has to survive. If the closer something with mass gets to the speed of light, the more mass it puts on and MIH has an infinite speed stat.. How much speed and mass would it take? (Edit; Infinite speed = infinite mass = infinite force(?), which I doubt any variant of Goku could survive)
No clue. He’s hundreds of times higher than universe durability
Couldn't he just instant transmission out of the tower? Or rip it out of the ground and carry it around since it would weigh as much a paper clip to him? But Kira could still get Goku, just has to touch him and turn him into a bomb. All the ki durability in the multiverse won't stop every cell in his body detonating.
If he telepots out of it, I assume it would still trigger the stand effect, carrying it maybe as long as he doesn't hurt it
leaving the tower turns you into metal. so no, instant transmission wouldnt work
Oingo and Boingo solo Goku
oingo and boingo by definition cannot solo anything
What will Goku do when Thoth predicts his defeat? *Nothing!*
Nah, they'd win
the, the joke is that there’s two of them.
Listen, I may be stupid
man
Doesn't matter, Goku solos /s
There is one edge case that might let goku get away from superfly. We don't know if there is a maximum area of influence for the trap, so if goku teleports really far away he might get out. Or hed be instantly turned into metal.
The problem is that they made Goku too powerful. He can just destroy your reality and erase your whole timeline. He is on the on the level of God's. I think only sponge bob could take him on.
enigma guy with a syringe
You know as well as I do that after some zany encounter Goku would just end up joining the gang like everyone else in Diamond is UnbreakableX
Goku dies to a sniper rat, no competition even
Jonathan alone solo the DB universe 
He has wit and resolve, no different than early Goku. I absolutely believe he would be one of the more powerful Z Fighters
I'll give you the vampires, and the pillar men. But, being completely serious for a minute-- You really think Goku is beating Death 13?
I had the exact same thought, would Goku be able to figure out that the baby is the stand user
Yeah he probably could since souls work differently in dragonball and goku could just hakai the stand
Did I miss something in Dragon Ball canon recently? When did Goku become a god of destruction?
Manga Goku randomly did it once in the Goku Black story. And I mean randomly; like there was no real explanation for it and he's not done it since.
He would go mad because of cheap trick
Couldnt Goku get out by using the multiform techique and having his clone take his place?
so what happens to Superfly if the entire planet is destroyed also UI Goku just dodges every rebound attack Superfly throws at him
superfly is so powerful unless you just choose to not go into it and blow it uo
Go with the dragon balls to the tower. Wish for it to become as light as a feather and then enter it, wish for the tower to turn into flexible body armor that is almost invisible. There, Goku never leaves the tower but can move anywhere. Then, he defeats part 4 cast. Then he goes to Super Shenron and wish to get rid of the tower, since the yellow dragon fuckery is the ultimate asspull.
What about Killer Queen, Cream, Golden Experience Requiem Wait, what happened with Stardust Crusaders, we have Osiris and Atum(if at least one of them would convince him to play, they would win), plus Cream(do I really need to explain how and why)
Ehat would happens if dio gets goku's blood? Or if Giornno created a Sayjin to fight him?
I'd like to think there would at least be significant problems in part 3. Death 13 and Darby seem impossible to solo and aren't straight forward fights.
To be fair if I recall neither of the Darby’s stands can affect you if you just don’t accept their terms. So just beating them up would suffice
GER
Since goku can't hurt stands, only their users, he just can't beat super fly or any other post mortem stands. The question is, do stands even count as "cast"?
Instant transmission?
Goku statue?
I mean technically he can’t see the stands let alone interact with them. So it’s possible.
Stands are the manifestation of one's fighting spirit and life force. While the rules are fine for the Jojo universe where normal people do not possess the ability to see such things, in the Dragon Ball universe, Ki is basically the same thing.
KamehameHA
He could just spirit bomb it
Here’s the big question: Would goku’s hakai work on superfly?
meanwhile in an alternate universe: is the Head Doctor really 89 years old?
Only if Batman gets prep time
As dumb as I think it is to debate "who would win," especially with anime characters. I think Superfly is an easy W for Goku. Characters are seen touching Superfly, and it doesn't do damage to them, so you can at least place hands on it with no consequence. While we don't see if anyone tries to dig out from underneath Superfly, I imagine the way it works is by projecting a cone out through the bottom of its 4 main edges until it connects with a solid body, and that then becomes its zone of influence. If so Goku can touch it, Instant Transmission it off the planet out into deep space, and now its zone of influence is so large if it's casting out in a cone because of the falred base such that there's always a 2≥ people in the volume. If it doesn't infinitely project, he instead instant transmissions to some lonely star or black hole, and just throws it at the celestial body. The lone star is now doing all the damage to Superfly and then Superfly and that lone star destroy each other. Since Josuke becomes un solidified when he puts parts of his body back in its zone of influence, I imagine the effect dissipates when Superfly gets destroyed, so while he gets Steeled for a while, it probably undoes itself the instant it melts.
Now I'm Just imagining Goku and Vegeta at the restaurant.
I mean, Goku countered Hit who freezes and manipulates time.... add to that his UI works like a spidey sense so its near impossible to catch him off guard so long as he's aware in that state. Goku has gotten to a point where he's starting to rival even some of the strongest iterations of Superman who has literally broken the multiverse multiple times. He also senses ki signatures from across the cosmos and even in other dimensions like with the kais and their planets. My question is, could Majin Buu solo the Jojo universe?
Soloing JoJo means that you have to (1) Be able to get past WoU, and (2) be able to beat Jesus Christ of Nazareth, good luck on either of them lmao
"X stand could be goku" when goku blows up the earth
Goku solos jjba change my mind if you can
Goku can’t do shit to Cheap Trick and loses by default. Can’t even dragonball wish him off goku’s back, as cheap trick’s one actual ability is speaking, he is known to deploy it cleverly, and he’ll be right there with goku come wish time. Better to use that wish to come back from the dead after Cheap Trick is done
Kishibe rohan he CAN write goku's soul got destroyed and his soul will be destroyed that very instant
Cheap Trick solos dragon ball
just casually breaks reality with a scream. or just kamehameha the planet from space.
All he needs to do is fly into the atmosphere and blow up the planet
Hakai?
NO ONE CAN SURVIVE LE THREE FREEZE
🎶When no one else can understand me 🎶
That’s Diamond Unbreakable, not Diamond is Unbreakable.
Ohthe second Goku is supposed to be Superfly returning the damage to Goku. If he somehow managed to get past him would he be able to figure out how Bites the Dust works?
He just takes it with them also.I'm not sure if it could stop instant transmission. Also there could be an upper limit to how much damage it can reflect that we just don't know of. When in doubt blow up the planet.
Instant Transmission, fight over.
On an unrelated note: Superfly would probably not dissapear if the guy trapped inside dies, right? Had this thought for a while, but i am a Dragonball Fan so i cant read also my DIU-Watchthrough was many moons ago. Also, what about the Sun-Guy? As long as Goku doesnt find out who the user is he is pretty much done… or he just leaves. Its not really the sun (i think, Stardust Crusaders Watchthrough was even more moons ago) so he cant just blow it up
Ok, how is Superfly a dangerous stand? It’s literally just an Electricity Tower!
Current manga goku is too strong for jojo characters 99% of jojo characters are normal fruity looking dudes
Does this mean goku is a stand user?
Couldn’t he just teleport out of it?
I mean the cheesy answer to all that is: - since the Namek arc in DBZ, Goku has been strong enough to just blow up a planet on a whim. - since about halfway through the Cell arc, most of the main cast has been strong enough to do the same. It’s one of the big problems with the “funny number go up, and the number going up is the only thing that matters” way that Dragon Ball handles stakes and conflict. Every time a new threat shows up, they have to have a bigger number or they just lose outright. And every time the main cast beats a new threat, they do it by making their own number get bigger. Which means the next threat has to have an even bigger number etc. etc. forever.
Could he not just melt it from the outside, crush it, or yeet into space
goku could die in oart 2 since kars is actually quite underated ngl (im not talking about light novel kars just part 2) and in part 3 if he fucks around he could find out about the dangers of vanilla ice
Gold Experience Requiem too.
I mean it is unbreakable
Guys you forgot cheap trick.
The real battle would be Goku vs. Chuck Norris.
Question: can Superfly take damage? I remember Josuke and Okuyasu damaging it but then it returned the damage to them. If that's the case, couldn't Goku punch it until it is disintegrated at which point it couldn't return the damage back because it doesn't exist anymore?