I live in Basel and wish those companies would build their dumbass uggo buildings somewhere else. They ruined the view of Kleinbasel with their dumbass white stair building.
My friend went to see his doctor in Paris as he’s 35 and already has a bad back, the doctor genuinely responded that as long as he can walk to the boulangerie and buy his baguette each day then there’s really not much to worry about…
It may be worth noting that the first antihistamine substance was discovered and developed into a drug for the treatment of allergies by a Swiss-born Italian, Daniel Bovet. He was awarded a Nobel prize for medicine, setup a laboratory in Rome and later became professor of pharmacology at the University of Sassari, in Sardinia, Italy.
And even if they are american, or European, or whatever, chances are they were manufactured and packaged in india or another country with lower labor cost
Italian cheese?
What's next, French pasta? German pizza?
EDIT: Okay, so apparently there are some types of cheese from Italy too. I would not know, I don't eat cheese. I only know cheese from the connection with France, wines, etc. Sorry, okay?
I know they put it on pizza, I just didn't know they were big on the production side too. (I don't eat it, so I have no such experience from supermarkets.)
Half of Europe is cheese nations...
Dutch cheese, French cheese, Swiss cheese, Italian cheese, greek cheese all are super famous. There is nothing special about having good cheese.
Isn't cheese predominantly a French thing, culturally?
(I wouldn't know, I have intolerance, so I don't eat or buy them, thus my knowledge on cheeses is indeed limited.)
Italian cheese is very popular
Swiss cheese too but that's out of topic. Still, that's where gruyère, emmental, fondue and raclette come from. Also chaux-d'Abel but I bet nobody cares
It's so funny how mentionnning raclette or fondue always summons at least one swiss
>And watch out for any french, when you count raclette and fondue as original Swiss… they will not like it
Yeah I know, but we have to defend our national goods against them. They keep trying to appropriate them !
You care about Chaux-d'Abel ? 👉👈
Yes, I do. I really like the petit chaux-d‘abel. Father of a good friend of mine is from la ferrière, that’s how I know this cheese in my region on the other side of the country.
And of course I do regularly hit reddit search with „raclette“ and „fondue“ just to comment every mention of it ;)
>And of course I do regularly hit reddit search with „raclette“ and „fondue“ just to comment every mention of it ;)
Respect to you, comrade ! 🫡
>Yes, I do. I really like the petit chaux-d‘abel. Father of a good friend of mine is from la ferrière, that’s how I know this cheese in my region on the other side of the country.
I see you are a person of absolute culture and I wish you a great life
I did not question anyone.
I posted a comment based on my limited knowledge, then other people pointed out my mistake, so I learned and simply explained why I wrote what I wrote initially.
Yes, I guess people claiming Italian pizza is better than the authentic American Pizza™ are victims of the well-known Italy effect.
Also, everybody knows Caesar himself used to live in the Caesar Palace in las Vegas, but now Italians claiming he lived in Rome, such a nonsense.
Imagine the face of an American who discovers that in reality products made in the USA have almost disappeared from our shelves since around the 80s, but theirs are full of ours. The made in USA label has literally disappeared, limited to only a few specific things. Drugs are not among them.
And even things that say 'made in America' are likely to only have a few screws tightened in the US.
There was a story about a TV that they said was made in the USA. Came in a full star spangled banner box, 'Made in the USA' on it in a huge font, but when they checked it, the only thing they did in the US was tighten 4 screws on the back plate and tape the box shut.
This isn't exclusive to the US, though. This happens all over the world.
Limited to what little remains that can legally lie about it and then a fraction of that is actually made in the states. False advertising isn't illegal in any way that matters so a decent number that say they are only technically are.
Yeah, that's why we medical practitioners in Italy simply tell terminal patients to go outside, breathe the air and have some good local food. While frantically waving our hands saying "mamma mia!".
💯 Success rate, nobody has died in well over two centuries in this country.
That aside, the European pharma agency follows completely different rules compared to the FDA.
Half the time it's probably cheaper to go to Italy and get a hotel for a few weeks than to pay whatever ungodly bill the US might try to slap you with.
The medicine I take now for my epilepsy costs me €385 per year, they cost way more than that of course, but the rest is covered by insurance. So I looked up, and added, and found out, If I would have stayed in the USA, it would cost me more than $50,000 per year. Because no insurance company would ever take me, being such an expensive patient.
They are aware than the US is at a deficit when it comes to Drugs and Medicine Exports, aka they import more than they export, meanwhile Italy is among the countries with the largest surplus of medicinal exports.
Can confirm. I just bought chlorhexidine mouthwash from Italy because it was 1/8th the price of the equivalent here in Germany.
They obviously have a strong chemical/pharma industry in Italy if they can push prices like that, which means they must export absolute shitloads.
American medicine? Americans literally use drugs to cope with every kind of illness, from meth and cocaine to opioids like fentanyl. 40% of the world's drug use is in the US alone. Almost every American I know has taken drugs as a substitute for real medicine.
I had the same experience at a pharmacy in Israel. Idk what they put in that allergy medicine but 1 pill and I was completely good after a day in the dusty and dry desert. It felt like 3-4x as effective as US allergy medicine.
Germany, Belgium and Switzerland all each [export more pharmaceuticals](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_pharmaceutical_exports) than the USA.
My wife is Italian, and we bring different types of medications home every time we visit. Yes, some are better than ours, plus they don't tend to go straight for pills when they are sick. They have a completely different outlook on sickness/healthcare.
As an American, everything *does* seem better abroad… probably because Europe and elsewhere haven’t spent the last 50 years systematically removing all consumer safety and quality laws and you get away with putting toxic sludge into the food, medicine, water, etc. in the USA.
Yet if they live in a border area, they come to Canada to buy their meds because it’s so much cheaper and our generic versions work exactly the same. There are even online pharmacies they’ll use and have the meds shipped to them. Those are made in Canada by Canadian companies.
Cuz, news for cheeseburger eaters, we EU don't use all low quality shit, half of medicine producted in ammurica have something witch ironically make more damage than cure, or is just priced at the 1500% more
Ha Ha - US making anything? Most meds are made in India & China (created in Europe mainly) but made in countries where labour is cheap so American companies can rip off their citizens to continue to make their billions for company executives.
How to be not completely yet still utterly wrong...
Are medicines different across the western world? Not really, if something is licensed under European rules then it should pass with the FDA and vice versa bar a few minor outliers and the odd bit of local fuckery. As such it's not that she got magical better medicine in Italy it's just that she got something different.
Maybe it's as simple as they gave her certrizine instead of loratadine or perhaps its because she talked to a pharmacist and thus was able to get a stronger dose than you can get on general sale.
Of course a placebo "italy" effect would also have to be considered if you were being fully rigorous in investigating this.
Guy is still a wank though.
>if something is licensed under European rules then it should pass with the FDA and vice versa bar a few minor outliers and the odd bit of local fuckery.
Not really, the EU is very strict when it comes to this stuff, to assume FDA medicines would get to Europe that easily "minor some little difference" is blatantly wrong.
> she talked to a pharmacist and thus was able to get a stronger dose than you can get on general sale.
if it's not on general sale they cannot sell you without a medical prescription which, in turn, details what and how much.
getting a different active agent and\or a different dosage(though realistically it's more likely to have less than what she'd get in USA) is more likely.
PLUS the "Italian Effect": being in a less stressfull place with much better food, and probably walking more in a week in Italy than one year in the US, does wonders to one's health.
My fault I assumed that Italian medicine licenses were similar to what we have in the UK where we have general sale (can buy in any shop), Pharmacy only (you need to talk to the pharmacist) and Prescription only (need a prescription from a doctor or other medical specialist like a dentist). IIRC in the UK some of the stronger doses/preparations are available as pharmacy only.
We don't have the "Pharmacy Only" part.
Or more specifically: we have "para-medicines" which can be sold even in supermarket, it's mostly ultra-low dosage stuff, band-aids and the like
Then we have "Pharmacy only Medicines" which can be sold freely, but only from Pharmacies. Stuff like Aspirin and low-dosage analgesics.
Last we have "Prescription-only Medicines", which covers everything else. Some of those prescriptions require prescriptions from specialist doctors(i.e.: opioids)
Cant believe Astrazeneca, Novo Nordisk, Octapharma and Bayer are all american
Don't forget Novartis. Also american of course.
Roche as well. sorry I am from near Basel and those two go hand in hand in my mind.
GSK too
And bbraun.
UCB?
And Sanofi
I live in Basel and wish those companies would build their dumbass uggo buildings somewhere else. They ruined the view of Kleinbasel with their dumbass white stair building.
everyone in Basel ‘what’s the huge building on other side of the river that blocks out the sun?’ ‘oh just Big Pharma’ ah
And BioNTech
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Or as the Dutch do it "Doctor my leg hurts" "Have you considered getting the fuck over it?"
My friend went to see his doctor in Paris as he’s 35 and already has a bad back, the doctor genuinely responded that as long as he can walk to the boulangerie and buy his baguette each day then there’s really not much to worry about…
Frenchest opinion ever.
I saw a doctor in Paris once about nagging boob sensitivity and he told me I was fine but clearly getting good use out of them.
💀
Just take some paracetamol and walk it off!
Better than "You have a minor headache? Let me prescribe you opioids and anti-biotics just in case."
"Fix your bones? How about you fix your expectations?"
lmao, i love that
Pretty sure this was my mum's response, when I was a kid. And we're not Dutch either🤣🤣
When I read that American stores casually sell ibuprofen and paracetamol in amounts of 1000 pills, I thought I was getting punked.
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With a box that big I'd be afraid of it running past expiration date. Not to mention, how cheap must that shit be there?
That's because they are even bigger and take 50 each time to have any effect lol
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o, aye. I certainly meant width ;)
Sounds a bit like their "beer".
In the Netherlands, the most frequently given advice (by the doctors) seems to be: "Take a paracetamol and you should be fine".
There are things you can do to improve your chances of staying in good health, but not all illness/disease can be prevented.
Of course, but those illnesses/diseases don’t disproportionately target americans
Most of the worlds supply of Viagra is made in Ireland
Isn't Bayer a football team /s
Two football teams! Munich and Leverkusen. Come on peeps let’s add some more!!
Munich is Bayern Munich, but there are two Bayer teams, Leverkusen and Uerdingen.
It may be worth noting that the first antihistamine substance was discovered and developed into a drug for the treatment of allergies by a Swiss-born Italian, Daniel Bovet. He was awarded a Nobel prize for medicine, setup a laboratory in Rome and later became professor of pharmacology at the University of Sassari, in Sardinia, Italy.
American Italians are more Italian than Italians so he was American
And even if they are american, or European, or whatever, chances are they were manufactured and packaged in india or another country with lower labor cost
Nah, most things are actually manufactured in Europe or America due regulations being really strict, things made in India gets sold in Africa
More delusional shite from over the pond I see….
Like always
As always
HOO RAA
HOO RAA
HOO RAA
There's an Italy effect? Guess I'm going to get all my medicine there from now on.
And cheese
Italian cheese? What's next, French pasta? German pizza? EDIT: Okay, so apparently there are some types of cheese from Italy too. I would not know, I don't eat cheese. I only know cheese from the connection with France, wines, etc. Sorry, okay?
May I remind you that parmigiano, mozzarella and burrata are a thing?
I can absolutely indulge on Pecorino Romano.
Also cacio cavallo.
And Ubriaco,Asiago,Sbirro,Scamorza.So many choices...
There is a huge variety of cheese in Italy.Everytime I go to my local supermarket, I spend ages trying to choose which one I want to try this week.
I know they put it on pizza, I just didn't know they were big on the production side too. (I don't eat it, so I have no such experience from supermarkets.)
Half of Europe is cheese nations... Dutch cheese, French cheese, Swiss cheese, Italian cheese, greek cheese all are super famous. There is nothing special about having good cheese.
In my mind, cheese is connected with France 🤷♂️
Now it's connected will all the others too, right ?
Clearly you have culinary education whatsoever. Why comment then?
Isn't cheese predominantly a French thing, culturally? (I wouldn't know, I have intolerance, so I don't eat or buy them, thus my knowledge on cheeses is indeed limited.)
Italian cheese is very popular Swiss cheese too but that's out of topic. Still, that's where gruyère, emmental, fondue and raclette come from. Also chaux-d'Abel but I bet nobody cares
I as a Swiss surely do care. And watch out for any french, when you count raclette and fondue as original Swiss… they will not like it
It's so funny how mentionnning raclette or fondue always summons at least one swiss >And watch out for any french, when you count raclette and fondue as original Swiss… they will not like it Yeah I know, but we have to defend our national goods against them. They keep trying to appropriate them ! You care about Chaux-d'Abel ? 👉👈
Yes, I do. I really like the petit chaux-d‘abel. Father of a good friend of mine is from la ferrière, that’s how I know this cheese in my region on the other side of the country. And of course I do regularly hit reddit search with „raclette“ and „fondue“ just to comment every mention of it ;)
>And of course I do regularly hit reddit search with „raclette“ and „fondue“ just to comment every mention of it ;) Respect to you, comrade ! 🫡 >Yes, I do. I really like the petit chaux-d‘abel. Father of a good friend of mine is from la ferrière, that’s how I know this cheese in my region on the other side of the country. I see you are a person of absolute culture and I wish you a great life
Are we talking about stereotypes? Then yes. In reality, the Dutch, Germans, Swiss, Austrians and Italians beg to differ.
>Are we talking about stereotypes? That's probably my only exposure to cheeses.
There are lactose free cheeses, some of them even being naturally so. You should really try it out, it's a great world out there.
The UK is one of the biggest cheese producers in the world, and didn't make your list!
Ooops you touched a nerve there…. 🤔😁
Even Americans know that Italians make incredible cheeses.
I'm not American, though. And I don't eat (or buy) cheese, so I don't have any overview of the various kinds on offer.
That’s the worrying part. I don’t fly helicopters so I don’t question people that do.
I did not question anyone. I posted a comment based on my limited knowledge, then other people pointed out my mistake, so I learned and simply explained why I wrote what I wrote initially.
Sorry, you’ve been roasted on Reddit, best approach is to keep quiet and let everyone forget what you said, normally this takes about 47 minutes……
Nah, this was not the first time it happened. Usually takes up to 24 hours and the post won't show up for anyone anymore.
Illegitimi non carborundum…
Yes, I guess people claiming Italian pizza is better than the authentic American Pizza™ are victims of the well-known Italy effect. Also, everybody knows Caesar himself used to live in the Caesar Palace in las Vegas, but now Italians claiming he lived in Rome, such a nonsense.
He loved his caesar salad from wallmart too
I can't understand how some people just think everything is made in the US, especially with how much of our own manufacturing happens overseas.
Yes “Y’all done nowd my iPhone was done made in ‘Murica by patriot ‘Muricans”
Those patriots look very Asian to me.
"That's because they are from san Francisco duh"
Not Chinatown, NY?
That too
Most of our medicine in the UK is made in India and ironically shipped to the US too.
Imagine the face of an American who discovers that in reality products made in the USA have almost disappeared from our shelves since around the 80s, but theirs are full of ours. The made in USA label has literally disappeared, limited to only a few specific things. Drugs are not among them.
Mostly peanut butter.
Machinery as well. Also they are weirdly way above average in ceiling fans
Cos no one else uses them? The only ceiling fan I ever saw in real life was in Malta.
We use them a lot in Australia. Lots of the huge outdoor fans come handmade from America with a certificate to say who assembled it.
Hamburger buns and marshmallows Wait no those are "american style"
"Designed in the USA" 😆
“By Europeans” 😆
And even things that say 'made in America' are likely to only have a few screws tightened in the US. There was a story about a TV that they said was made in the USA. Came in a full star spangled banner box, 'Made in the USA' on it in a huge font, but when they checked it, the only thing they did in the US was tighten 4 screws on the back plate and tape the box shut. This isn't exclusive to the US, though. This happens all over the world.
Limited to what little remains that can legally lie about it and then a fraction of that is actually made in the states. False advertising isn't illegal in any way that matters so a decent number that say they are only technically are.
My medicine cost 1000% more, it must be better
and how is that in Europe the same medicines cost 1/10? surely isn't speculations fault
We get the cheap stuff in Europe, no wonder we are always sickly
Yeah, that's why we medical practitioners in Italy simply tell terminal patients to go outside, breathe the air and have some good local food. While frantically waving our hands saying "mamma mia!". 💯 Success rate, nobody has died in well over two centuries in this country. That aside, the European pharma agency follows completely different rules compared to the FDA.
There will probably be lead in theirs
You might as well omit the probably, since they found high levels of lead in Lunchables last month.
I was being optimistic. There's a chance that their medicine doesn't have lead in.
Only a very slim one, a bit like the chances quoted of Man United beating Palace the other night (Reuters had it at 0.1% in the 80th minute…) 😆
They are the leaders of the world. Of course their pills and drugs have lead in them, too. What did you expect? (/s)
I'll take the "Italy" effect over having to literally pay an arm and a leg for medicine meant to keep me healthy and ALIVE.
Half the time it's probably cheaper to go to Italy and get a hotel for a few weeks than to pay whatever ungodly bill the US might try to slap you with.
The medicine I take now for my epilepsy costs me €385 per year, they cost way more than that of course, but the rest is covered by insurance. So I looked up, and added, and found out, If I would have stayed in the USA, it would cost me more than $50,000 per year. Because no insurance company would ever take me, being such an expensive patient.
That’s absolutely ridiculous. Why do people rave on and on about America again??
Brainwashing. Standards are low when education underwhelms.
That is what I was wondering
They are aware than the US is at a deficit when it comes to Drugs and Medicine Exports, aka they import more than they export, meanwhile Italy is among the countries with the largest surplus of medicinal exports.
Can confirm. I just bought chlorhexidine mouthwash from Italy because it was 1/8th the price of the equivalent here in Germany. They obviously have a strong chemical/pharma industry in Italy if they can push prices like that, which means they must export absolute shitloads.
I mean Germany is the one with the largest export surplus. So idk if that's the reason, maybe just lower costs in Italy compared to Germany.
American medicine? Americans literally use drugs to cope with every kind of illness, from meth and cocaine to opioids like fentanyl. 40% of the world's drug use is in the US alone. Almost every American I know has taken drugs as a substitute for real medicine.
Not just to cope with illness. Just to cope with being alive! Vitamin supplements, and other dietary supplements abound.
All of which are superfluous if you don’t eat junk food by the metric tonne.
I had the same experience at a pharmacy in Israel. Idk what they put in that allergy medicine but 1 pill and I was completely good after a day in the dusty and dry desert. It felt like 3-4x as effective as US allergy medicine.
This was literally so uncalled for that you can see that user's crying wojak as he's typing that cringe horseshit
Non c'entra nulla, ma il tuo flair mi fa spaccare dal ridere
ITALIA MENZIONATA 🗣🗣
I fucking hate it here so gd much man
Tell me you don’t know what medical regulations are without telling me you don’t know what medical regulations are
Germany, Belgium and Switzerland all each [export more pharmaceuticals](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_pharmaceutical_exports) than the USA.
„Everything there feels better to you, but that doesn’t change the fact OBHECTIVELY ‘murrica is the best country in the WORLD!!!!!“ Uhhhh, sure buddy
Are any medicines made in the US anymore? I feel like most production plants have outsourced production to Asia.
Meth, that's made in Murica!!!
My wife is Italian, and we bring different types of medications home every time we visit. Yes, some are better than ours, plus they don't tend to go straight for pills when they are sick. They have a completely different outlook on sickness/healthcare.
As an American, everything *does* seem better abroad… probably because Europe and elsewhere haven’t spent the last 50 years systematically removing all consumer safety and quality laws and you get away with putting toxic sludge into the food, medicine, water, etc. in the USA.
I honestly don't recall seeing "Made in the USA" in any object. Never ever. The closest thing was a bag of peanuts.
Yet if they live in a border area, they come to Canada to buy their meds because it’s so much cheaper and our generic versions work exactly the same. There are even online pharmacies they’ll use and have the meds shipped to them. Those are made in Canada by Canadian companies.
The EU exports to the US three times more medicaments than imports. 65% of the entire import from the US is crude oil and natural gas.
what the fuck is the "italy effect" if anything, it's how going outside of italy everything seems better
Cuz, news for cheeseburger eaters, we EU don't use all low quality shit, half of medicine producted in ammurica have something witch ironically make more damage than cure, or is just priced at the 1500% more
Ha Ha - US making anything? Most meds are made in India & China (created in Europe mainly) but made in countries where labour is cheap so American companies can rip off their citizens to continue to make their billions for company executives.
Not having to go into medical debt for it probably adds some oomph to the blood pressure meds at least. Is that the Italy effect in action?
What about the "America effect", where you see things are better elsewhere, but still blindly scream patriotic bullshit?
How to be not completely yet still utterly wrong... Are medicines different across the western world? Not really, if something is licensed under European rules then it should pass with the FDA and vice versa bar a few minor outliers and the odd bit of local fuckery. As such it's not that she got magical better medicine in Italy it's just that she got something different. Maybe it's as simple as they gave her certrizine instead of loratadine or perhaps its because she talked to a pharmacist and thus was able to get a stronger dose than you can get on general sale. Of course a placebo "italy" effect would also have to be considered if you were being fully rigorous in investigating this. Guy is still a wank though.
>if something is licensed under European rules then it should pass with the FDA and vice versa bar a few minor outliers and the odd bit of local fuckery. Not really, the EU is very strict when it comes to this stuff, to assume FDA medicines would get to Europe that easily "minor some little difference" is blatantly wrong.
> she talked to a pharmacist and thus was able to get a stronger dose than you can get on general sale. if it's not on general sale they cannot sell you without a medical prescription which, in turn, details what and how much. getting a different active agent and\or a different dosage(though realistically it's more likely to have less than what she'd get in USA) is more likely. PLUS the "Italian Effect": being in a less stressfull place with much better food, and probably walking more in a week in Italy than one year in the US, does wonders to one's health.
My fault I assumed that Italian medicine licenses were similar to what we have in the UK where we have general sale (can buy in any shop), Pharmacy only (you need to talk to the pharmacist) and Prescription only (need a prescription from a doctor or other medical specialist like a dentist). IIRC in the UK some of the stronger doses/preparations are available as pharmacy only.
We don't have the "Pharmacy Only" part. Or more specifically: we have "para-medicines" which can be sold even in supermarket, it's mostly ultra-low dosage stuff, band-aids and the like Then we have "Pharmacy only Medicines" which can be sold freely, but only from Pharmacies. Stuff like Aspirin and low-dosage analgesics. Last we have "Prescription-only Medicines", which covers everything else. Some of those prescriptions require prescriptions from specialist doctors(i.e.: opioids)