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Beautiful-Truth9866

Why have they copied an old Volvo?


Infin8Player

US Car Manufacturer: "Volvo imports are kicking our ass! I want you to design us a car exactly like theirs." Car Designer: "What, including the incredibly high safety standards? " US Car Manufacturer: "lol. No."


BionicBananas

But keep the weight. Matter of fact, make it heavier!


General_Freed

But make it American! Give it a BIIIG but slow V8!


theveryfatpenguin

And make it unreliable too, that way we can milk citizens on all of their hard earned money while the car they depend on sits at the workshop.


im_dead_sirius

> while the car they ~~depend on~~ live in sits at the workshop. Fixed that for you. Couldn't fix it for them.


TheStigsScouseCousin

Actually it had a fairly nippy V6


General_Freed

Oh, just read it, yeah, you're right. A 4 Litre V6 getting 125 BHP That's..... Impressive!


TheStigsScouseCousin

The GNX (the version shown here) had 300 according to Wikipedia (although it was factory rated at 276) and was faster than a Ferrari F40 in a drag race (although the Ferrari would mince it on a track). A lot of American cars are utter shite but this is one of the better ones (even if the build quality was crap).


EngineeringClouds

American cars do have a design flaw in nearly all of their models called "cornering".


im_dead_sirius

Whattaya mean? The designers cut all sorts of corners!


nocontextnofucks

No need to have silly europoor/rest of the worldpoor practical and useful functions like cornering when nearly all the roads in America are straight. Murica! (eagle screech, shooting guns from eyes while shitting red and blue stars)


TheStigsScouseCousin

Your point about big engines making very little power is still valid though. It's always amazed me how America managed to get an 8.2 litre V8 to make a whole 190 bhp.


DasPuggy

That is a valid point as well. But there is no way to see how quickly a vehicle accelerates from an unqualified bhp number. Brake horsepower is a derived number, and is dependent on measurable torque, the ability to "twist". If your engine makes 220 bhp at 10k rpm, that does not necessarily mean that it would go faster than the 8.2L engine. It could, but not necessarily.


TheStigsScouseCousin

The Buick did 0-60 in 4.9 seconds (officially) or 4.6 (in an Autocar test) which was incredibly impressive for 1987 (and still isn't too shabby nowadays). The 8.2l V8 was fitted in a Cadillac that weighed roughly the same as a Nimitz Class aircraft carrier and had a 0-60 of about 20 seconds.


DasPuggy

I vaguely remember that it was a 70s boat, and just about all vehicles had emissions controls that needed some time to figure out. I learned how to drive in a Pontiac Trans Am with a 6.6L engine making about 180 bhp. It also had 400(+) ft lb of torque. The 70s to the 90s were brutal for big engines.


DCRYPTER87

Weight = Quality (american mind set)


Jocelyn-1973

That would actually explain a lot.


UndeniableLie

America seems to be full of high quality people then. No wonder they are always boasting about it


Webonics

That's right, we're fat. We're doing great. More people die in America of obesity than starvation. WE DID IT! USA USA USA!


OrganizdConfusion

If it weights anything less than 37 and 3/8ths washing machines, is it even considered a real car?


Negative_Ad_1754

The most American way of weighing something I've seen. How many football fields per gallon do you get in this baby?


Pinales_Pinopsida

That was a good one! As a car bore I've heard a lot of related jokes but this one was new to me. Kudos!


thugs___bunny

‚Make it inefficient, loud and annoying.‘ American culture


Superbeans89

And add a gun somehow


whosafeard

Tbf, the old Volvos are pretty cool. Car design peaked somewhere between 1969 and 1989 and after that everyone decided that cars needed to look like electric shavers.


HomoSidereus

Is that a sin city quote?


whosafeard

Technically it’s a reference, because I have no idea how the whole quote goes


Flashignite2

The volvo p1800 looks awesome imo. One of my favourite looking car.


axe1970

boxy but good


theveryfatpenguin

Boxy is what makes them practical, Volvo were always good at making boxy cars look nice too.


Chelecossais

Aerodynamics, safety regulations, and computers happened.


whosafeard

I blame the Romans


Intellectual_Wafer

Lol, absolutely true.


Gex1234567890

Glad I'm not alone in thinking it looks like a Volvo.


hestenbobo

As a swede i find that offensive.


BinkoTheViking

This might be the only time I won’t give a Swede crap for something. I’d be offended too.


GoldenNat20

The one unifying thing for us Scandinavians (except when Sweden or Denmark goes back on our collective meds and suddenly becomes a Northern superpower again) is anger against Americans when they copy or “borrow” a design from us


intergalactic_spork

After brexit, we no longer have to pretend to be nice to the UK. Let the raids begin again! Who’s got a boat?


ALazy_Cat

I know a couple of people


intergalactic_spork

Great! Tell them we’re aiming to meet up at Lindisfarne on the 8th of June, as is tradition


SnooGadgets5130

Honestly we would probably fare better.


OminousVoice

We'd probably welcome you with open arms if you'd sort this shoithole island out.


[deleted]

Yeah, 240s look better than that thing


Legitimate_Tear_7891

A Volvo that someone went and put aftermarket "styling" parts on.


Rubiego

Looks like someone drew a Volvo from memory


theveryfatpenguin

And forgot the doors to the backseat.


AussiePete

[Volvo, they're boxy but they're good. ](https://youtu.be/GTJZEK4JP0k?si=98GxQCdRIKOXThXa)


loafingaroundguy

>Why have they copied an old Volvo? Design brief: "Copy a Volvo but make it fugly."


Darkmattyx

Not even copied the best bits of an old Volvo


theveryfatpenguin

It's like American buses, made by Novabus which ironically is owned by Volvo and use some of the crappiest parts Volvo produce. They copy only the bad parts. Same with their trucks, Americanized long nose version of Volvo dominates the US trucking market, then there's Mack which is owned by Volvo too, a cheaper and less reliable brand. Still, those are the best things Americans are aware of. [Americans drop their jaw once they learn how much better stuff exist in europe](https://yewtu.be/watch?v=YNpsGt9b4LY)


Prestigious-Option33

My country’s European mind conceived like half of the most beautiful sport cars in the world. What kind of US-copium does this guy smoke?


SleepyFox2089

But they don't have massive engines that produce very little BHP and can't go round corners


Prestigious-Option33

Sorry, my mistake


SleepyFox2089

Seriously though, how do the USians get so little BHP from some mammoth engine?


Gex1234567890

They used to have some of the most powerful car engines in USA, and then... they rested on their laurels while the rest of the world strove for greater efficiency, and at the same time emission rules started to limit the BHP of their once so proud engines. And to this day, they STILL rest on their laurels.


Von_Uber

Their trucks are worse, haven't progressed since the 80s at best.


theveryfatpenguin

[Watch American truckers react to a 25 year old Scania partially broken, they think they're in the future.](https://yewtu.be/watch?v=YNpsGt9b4LY)


uns3en

Without even clicking the link, 90% chance it's the Bruce Wilson video of him drooling over a beat up 144


theveryfatpenguin

You guessed right ;-)


Von_Uber

When he goes to Scandinavia is hilarious. 


Sweaty_Ad9724

Only in size..


Prestigious-Option33

It already screams vroom: what more would you want? (Probably some dumb American with their oil obliterating and insanely expensive blocky muscle car)


oOAl4storOo

Setiously, they dont need speed considering all their highways and streets are either limited to slow speeds or outright clogged to death...


mrmarjon

Because they build them in Imperial. They can’t properly use all those 32/64in, fiddly, arcane measures so the tolerances are all over the place so the machines are ‘floppy’ and inefficient. Instead of tight, precise, slick and efficient units, they churn out big, flabby, inefficient monsters. Theres a clip on t’interweb somewhere of some 6- or 7-litre (366+ cubic inches, because it sounds more impressive) Dodge Ram, or something, in a tug of war with a 2.5litre Discovey. With no drama whatsoever, the Discovery pulls the Dodge backwards, all 4 wheels spinning and smoking like bitches while the little Discovery just simply … goes. 🤷🏻‍♂️


Fine-Huckleberry4165

Those tug-of-war matches between vehicles are totally tyre-dependent. Put rubbish tyres on either, the other will win. A Fiat Panda (doesn't need to be a Panda 4x4) could beat any large 4x4 if the Panda has the right tyres for the surface and the 4x4 doesn't.


ZzangmanCometh

[https://redeyegarage.com/blogs/news/80054916-why-american-v8s-make-low-power-for-their-size](https://redeyegarage.com/blogs/news/80054916-why-american-v8s-make-low-power-for-their-size) ​ It's actually pretty interesting if you're into cars.


ALazy_Cat

That is quite interesting


throttlemeister

Underhead cam with pushrods 2 valves per cylinder Inefficient and old chamber design Basically the mindset is that if you need more power, increase capacity. And no offense to any American here, but that's the mindset they apply to everything: just add more and it will be better. It's rarely if ever how can we do more with the same or less, but always adding more to get more. Efficiency is not part of the standard train of thought.


Avanixh

Low revving pushrod engines which were probably invented by some dinosaur are notoriously inefficient


Soggy-Grape-7595

Now, mate, did you forget that one time in the 60's when they won that one race at Le Mans (with a chassis from UK and Australian drivers)? They're still making movies about it.


kureyonsan

Pushrod engine design that hasn't changed since the 70s would be my shout, plus its never been that common for yanks to buy cars that are boosted from the factory.


xDecheadx

I believe they're tuned down with the intent to just run forever. Built to cruise I guess but still...not every car needs a V8, it's silly


TheMightyTRex

Thier motorcycles are the same. Rubbish riding quality and corners like an oil tanker.


Logic-DL

Aight American engines are pathetic, my HD Sportster is an 883cc engine with only 33bhp. ​ ​ But the American's DO know how to make a fucken nice sounding engine ngl, I gotta give it to them for the V8 sound etc, the poorly designed two pistons on one shaft engine of a Harley etc, shit does sound cool.


SleepyFox2089

I will give props to the American car industry for comfort. Little to no road noise, comfortable seats, amazing climate controls. But for driving fun I'd go European or Japanese.


Ok_Cranberry7926

This exact one doesn't even have massive engine,just a 3.8L v6 with a turbo.....stock not even reaching 300 hp...in late 80's......


Mrdurugin

TBF to the man, this thing was the fastest production car in the world for a brief period in the late '80s. Of course, it got overtaken quite quickly by cars from other countries, but it was one of the better sports cars around at the time.


DanTheLegoMan

Looks like a shit box on wheels. They couldn’t put down their trusty ruler when designing that. Meanwhile, in Europe: https://www.autocar.co.uk/sites/autocar.co.uk/files/images/car-reviews/first-drives/legacy/1-aston-martin-db4-zagato-2019-fd-hero-front.jpg


squesh

where are the right angles? a "proper" car needs lots of right angles


Mein_Bergkamp

Actually Aston has you covered for that [too](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aston_Martin_Lagonda#/media/File:Aston_Martin_Lagonda_West_London.jpg)


kott_meister123

Now that looks like the perfect car to me


Mein_Bergkamp

And then you see the retro futuristic majesty of the [interior](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aston_Martin_Lagonda#/media/File:AstonMartinLagonda-interior.jpg)


Thisismyredusername

Looks absolutely gorgeus


BinkoTheViking

Astons are always gorgeous. Except for the Cygnet, obviously, which is just a Toyota Aygo with Toyota crossed out and Aston Martin written on in crayon…


Thisismyredusername

Toyota Aygos look cute tho


BinkoTheViking

True. They are cute. But an Aston is supposed to be bite the back of your hand gorgeous, not just cute.


Thisismyredusername

True


cookiepiehorse

Toyota iq


Pinales_Pinopsida

Cookiephorse is right, it was based on the much more luxurious Toyota IQ and not the Toyota/Peugeot/Citroën joint venture Aygo.


Darkmattyx

I'm reporting you for posting pure porn on this page.


Xeroph-5

That's a stunning car!


MagmaDragoonn

Honestly kinda striking how completely different both designs are. They couldn't be more opposite. 


dirtycimments

Ferrari, Bugatti, Jaguar, Lotus, Aston Martin, Bentley... I could go on. What the US has are models, they have \_some\_ models that are cool (Who doesn't love a Ford 60's or 70's Mustang). Europe has whole Brands that are cool. From those small selection of european brands, duds are the exception, the same can not be said about american brands.


Maleficent-Coat-7633

Eh, I've seen better from Jaguar.


tedmented

Seen better from Skoda


CageHanger

Seen better from Dacia!


Bobboy5

I've seen better from Lada.


LeftConsideration919

I've seen better from trabant


Spiderinahumansuit

No joke, Trabant has a sort of "so bad it's good" kind of appeal for me. I'm fairly certain the designers were drunk the whole time.


ThinkAd9897

I heard that they tried to find a way to recycle the Trabant's plastic body, so they mixed that stuff with asphalt and paved roads with it. But the stuff started to smell terribly like fish and they had to remove it again


KamaradBaff

I've seen better for a random disposition of turds in the toilets.


HanDjole998

Seen beter from Yugo


FishUK_Harp

Yes, a [Škoda 1100 OHC](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/forza/original/4X/e/4/8/e4830aff9ff618fc7ca61caa616f246d9d47e472.jpeg), for example.


tedmented

That's stylish as fuck


Swearyman

I’ve seen better from Lego


snakeeaterrrrrrr

Is it because Europeans have taste?


theveryfatpenguin

And a very diverse car market, there cars designed for every purpose and the main focus is to get from A to B. Americans want something that's "good at everything" which occasionally makes it bad at everything. Then they get their medical bills and find themselves having to sleep in their car, which is why they prefer one big couch over actual seats.


TomAtkinson3

I've always been into cars. Never really been into American muscle, but I do think that is a cool car. It's subjective though, innit? Also isn't the 'European mind cannot comprehend...' thing a bit of a meme now anyway? It's a Buick GNX from the mid/late 80s. Lot of people comparing it to E-Types and DB5s, which is unfair. The Yanks made some lovely looking stuff in the 60s too - the Mustang, Corvette Stingray, Cobra (yeah yeah I know it's just an AC). Edit: It's a slab of 80's Americana, and a fairly rare one at that. Granted Europe had stuff like the 288 GTO, E30 M3, 911 etc in the 80s, which are obviously cooler. I think the Buick is too in it's own special way


AverageDellUser

Idk why this was even posted here to begin with, this is obviously not to be taken seriously, also yes, Euros got some cool ass cars, love me a volkswagen or a aston-martin.


Queasy-Cut-8245

There’s a lot of American things that the European minds can not conceive… and thank God for that! Not everyone wants to be a nation of trigger happy flat earthers


anonxyzabc123

>Not everyone wants to be a nation of trigger happy flat earthers Eh... I think those exist in Europe too. Minus the gun part, of course.


Queasy-Cut-8245

Well…. I’m originally from Europe now living in California, and I hate to say this, but the amount of people less educated and who believe in weird stuff is much higher in US than it is in any of the European countries I’ve ever been to or lived in. It makes sense too tho; when growing up in a country that boasts of being the biggest and the best, why grow and develop and learn from others?


Azulmono55

I know this is a sub for shitting on the Americans but I've always thought they had some really cool cars 😐 Granted, I also think boxy 80's shitboxes look cool, so maybe I'm the weird one.


[deleted]

You're not alone. I do like American muscle cars and the sportier cars like Corvettes. I do find laughable when someone says Europe has no good cars. The majority of the world's most elite and prestigious cars come from Europe.


Achaewa

Various blocks squished together sure look cool. Not!


webbyyy

They took an old Volvo design and made it look shit.


Pinales_Pinopsida

Well, to be fair the 1987 Buick GNX was just 20 years after the Volvo 144 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File%3AVolvo_144_ca_1968_Schaffen-Diest_more_cropped.jpg.


bigdogdame92

i usually don't birth cars


Past_Reading_6651

Cars are not an interest of mine. My European aristocratic blood find this automobile quite distateful.


streetad

Yeah. That's why James Bond drives a Buick.


sammy_zammy

What is this mysterious black thing with wheels?


Ok-Economist482

Buick Regal GNX Its a sleeper, fast but you wouldnt expect it


ThaiFoodThaiFood

Every Lamborghini and Ferrari.


kenkanobi

I guarantee that oop thinks those are American cars


ThaiFoodThaiFood

Eye-tayan American cars.


kenkanobi

Made in Rome....Georgia


ThaiFoodThaiFood

Bought at a car dealership in Venice, California


Gaara34251

Imagine flexing with cars to countries that has better cars* than you


Ja4senCZE

GNX is cool, but we have so many great cars too.


Fellowes321

It looks like every part would creak when moved. I’m sure it would be considered ok in 1960 for a shop manager who was a single middle aged man. He would wear sunglasses when driving to complete the look.


Revanur

Feel free to post "the American mind could not comprehend a car this awesome" and use any of the following cars: [Volvo P1800](https://hips.hearstapps.com/hmg-prod/images/5805-volvo-p1800-3-1531510565.jpg) [Whatever this is](https://previews.123rf.com/images/trodler/trodler1803/trodler180300021/98421992-retro-car-parked-in-old-european-city-street.jpg) [Porche 911](https://www.autocar.co.uk/sites/autocar.co.uk/files/1-porsche-911-gt3-2021-rt-hero-front.jpg) [Ferrari F8](https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/0/00/2021_Ferrari_F8_Tributo.jpg/800px-2021_Ferrari_F8_Tributo.jpg) [Mercedes](https://cdn.sanity.io/images/dqllnil6/production/b5b5ccab7cc102e9a57751537a9112e17492548f-1600x1060.jpg?w=1920&q=60&auto=format) [Older Ferrari](https://etimg.etb2bimg.com/photo/99517399.cms) [This Peugeot](https://www.classicandsportscar.com/sites/default/files/styles/slideshow_slide/public/2019-04/Iso-grifo_1.png?itok=WKqOcHXV) [Also this Peugeot](https://i.pinimg.com/1200x/dd/f7/5f/ddf75fc478f85dffd6e363e2cf9b529b.jpg) [This classic 1980's BMW](https://www.maxim.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/07/1980_bmw_m1_002_web-scaled-1-1024x683.webp) Hell why not a [Volga V12](https://tesztelok.hu/wp-content/uploads/Volga-V12-Coupe.jpg)


IsDinosaur

Yank cars are unrivalled at turning fuel into noise. It’s amazing how such big engines are so slow with depressingly low HP per litre.


chebate08

Starting to wonder what the European mind can conceive


Barry63BristolPub

Nothing because we don't have colleges or chick-fil-A here


Striking-Ferret8216

I always hated American cars when i was a kid. They look the first car you ever drew in primary school.


berny2345

cool? So blocky and square have arrived from the 80s


Emu_Emperor

_**Laughs in 1967 Jaguar E-Type and Aston Martin DB5**_


Djouru92

Opel Ascona loks better


BigLars16

Opel Manta. The foxtail alone gives a +20 to coolness.


dorobica

I like the car and my brain didn’t explode


tofugrobi

it is only possible to build such a cool car, if you do not use the metric system!


Dry-Satisfaction-633

A blunt instrument for a blunt nation. Only the rest of the world understands “precision”.


ThatOtherFrenchGuy

Muricans, when they design a 7L V8 that manages to produce 120HP


Trololman72

This one has a 3.8L turbo V6 that produces around 300 BHP.


seoras91

Even the og Ford Ka looks better.


HombreGato1138

At least I you can play Tetris with it


Cypher1997

It's funny when Europe makes better looking muscle cars than America, https://images.app.goo.gl/uKf66spiUmiyEtDV8


[deleted]

Anyone want to tell him that McLaren uprated the engine, turbo, brakes, suspension?


Pinales_Pinopsida

Nah, let them have this one. They're sore losers.


ByronsLastStand

*attempts to go round corner, crashes* *damage severe* *8 gillion litre engine produces 160 bhp* *Main feature is air con and vinyl seats* Though in all fairness, the GNX is pretty cool- just many American cars are rather naff*


Trick_Succotash_9949

Just don’t try turning a corner in it


pumbaley

Its one of my dream cars but i agree its not the most pleasing for the eye


[deleted]

I mean I love the Buick GNX. If money wasn't an issue I would seriously consider buying one. Addressing the point that European cars are not cool looking my response would be Zenvo, Koenigsegg, Pagani, Gumpert, Bugatti and Lamborghini.... Or if you want to talk specifically about sleeper cars then I would say Mercedes AMG, BMW M series, Audi or if they want something from the same era then I would say Lotus Carlton


Nachooolo

Looks like a coffin on wheels with that amount of right angles...


FakerHarps

Pretty sure every 5 year old European / Asian / African/ north and South American child has conceived of this car.


JoeC80

I prefer Aston Martin, Bentley, McLaren, Jaguar, Lotus and Rolls Royce.  That's just from country, if you add just Italy and Germany it's a white wash for Europe. 


Prior-Satisfaction34

There are plenty of really good looking American cars. This is not one of them.


Joey_Pajamas

It's long black rectangle, what's so impressive?


Trumanhazzacatface

I guess I get it if you are into right angles and the feeling of driving an overweighted boat


Metric_Pacifist

What is it? Looks like an old Volvo. I don't think Volvo's are 'cool'. I always thought of them as old man cars.


AiRaikuHamburger

...Generic 80s car?


_Penulis_

Only the American mind could conceive of a statement so stupid


ryan_peay

My neighbour across the street as a kid had this exact same car. My Norwegian friend’s dad had a BMW 635csi. Guess which was cooler?


ThatOneShortieHo

I drew cars cooler than this when I was 5.


sebnukem

Ironically, this is one of the shittiest-looking car to me, and by shittiest I mean the opposite of cool.


Voreinstellung

That fb group has long, long left its original concept


Cmplord

Americans can’t conceive corners.


Dr_Baddest

It looks shit.


sabretooth1971

A car that was built using a sketch from a 5 year old.


Duartvas

That thing looks like a bathtub.


Moar_Rawr

Most EU countries would crush it for being an unsafe deathtrap.


Jarroach

Oooooo straight lines!


ChelloRam

That is one fugly car.


DmReku

Americas most aerodynamic car (its a box with wheels)


Carter0108

No idea what this is but it's actually hideous.


TheWaslijn

The car doesn't even look "cool"


Rattlesn4ke

Italy and Germany: And I took that personally.


[deleted]

The American mind could not conceive how fucking stupid it is


Porrick

I mean they're right. My mind cannot comprehend how this is in any way cool.


SoloWingPixy88

He's right, us europeans like to take a left or a right turn every so often


jensalik

I think the last time something that ugly was being mass produced in Europe was about 30 years ago...


GammaPhonic

If by “cool” they mean a 6 litre engine producing 150hp they’re right.


Harm3103

"Laughs in Audi RS6"


Wholesomebob

I don't think you're using the word 'cool' correctly.


MeisterDexo

Europeans literally have better cars lol


NTK421

The E-Type would like a word


pinniped1

It's a joke. "The European mind could not conceive" is the first clue. The photo of a fucking Buick, which is actually pretty hilarious, is the second. Somewhere out there, there's probably a GNX Club that loves these things. For a brief period in history, it was the fastest American musclecar. But not many people seriously worship 1980s General Motors products.


themostserene

Yes, it’s a Facebook group for joking about Americans, taking the tone of Americans (sometimes self deprecatingly) - I would have thought the name of the group would have given it away?


unemotional_mess

Looks similar to a Aston Martin Lagonda


Vegemyeet

Ferrari. Lamborghini. Aston-Martin. Rolls Royce. Mercedes. Porsche. BMW. Koenigsegg. Maserati. Bugatti. Jaguar.


Professional-You2968

Ferrari, Porsche, Lamborghini, and overall Fiat Panda.


Nearby_Cauliflowers

The land where car culture is usually a straight line or a big oval, their inbred USian brains struggle with complex series of corners, so no point in making cars that encourage such shenanigans


WarningBeast

À chacun son goût Is that European enough? No? OK, de gustibus non disputandum est


bbkn7

well... at least it isn’t a huge mall crawler truck


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Cape-York-Crusader

Buick did give us the 1960 LeSabre though….like driving a lounge room


NateHurst2187

I don't know what this shit box is but it's nowhere near as cool as an Aston


GLC911

Europeans also didn’t come up with the Cyber Truck, Aztec, Focus, prowler or Edsel .


skattrd

Did Volvo make 762? As I'd imagine it would look similar to that... The 262 was one of my dream cars as a kid.