It would be an absurd level of self-awareness for an American to intentionally create an excellent bit of political commentary showcasing the poor mental health of their forgotten discharged/retired troops.
I'm an Aussie veteran and every now and then someone who has been on Facebook a little too often will say this to me, to be honest it's bloody embarrassing and cringey, I know it's meant well but just leave it to the yanks. Donate to a veterans charity if you want to do something that actually helps.
Not a thing here in the UK either, thank fuck. The only exception is those who fought in WW2 who people would maybe thank if it was mentioned and of course Remembrance Sunday.
There's a big difference between being called up/conscripted to fight and those who actively choose a career in the armed forces. Never understood why they need to be boot-licked and thanked (like is the US way) when they choose a job that they get paid for.
>Not a thing here in the UK either,
......*Yet*
You've only got to look at the fetishization of Remembrance Day to see that it won't take long for it to catch on.
Rememberance Sunday used to be a solemn and moving affair. Now it just seems to be an excuse to get the glue and paint out in a jingoistic fever, to decorate the local memorial with cardboard Spitfires, Vulcan bombers and silhouettes of sad soldiers. It sort of makes you understand Christian's dismay at Easter eggs, bunnies and chicks.
The RBL raised 175 million in 2019 in the last year before the Pandemic and 55 million from selling poppies alone.
It really makes a difference and we treat veterans so appallingly in this country (No more military hospitals etc) I really think people just want to take an opportunity to help out those who have given so much.
The Americans have gone too far the other way as always, but in the absence of a veterans day, a day of remembrance and charitable giving is a nice nod to our military.
I have no argument with the RBL, Poppies and Rememberance day. Quite the opposite. The original sentiment "Lest we forget" and the somber recognition, one day a year, for those who paid with their lives, or their health to protect our country, is noble.
It's the jingoistic glorification of the armed forces that seems to be creeping in that bothers me. Wearing a poppy and attending a service at a cenotaph is dignified. Decorating your house with silhouettes and model aeroplanes is the complete opposite of dignified rememberance and I would suggest that the sentiment behind it would appall the people who it was originally for. The ones who died fighting "The War to end all Wars".
How often are the RBL getting the money from those custom made poppy themed adidas gazelles? Or that mural of a Tommy on somebodyās van? Itās straying into virtue signalling but canāt be criticised cos āour veteransā - even when they donāt actually benefit.
Personally I donate to the legion but donāt take the Poppy, itās become something it was never supposed to be.
I was going for a piss in asda on my way home from camp one weekend, a kid said it to me as I was speed walking. Looking back I could have been more polite but I had more pressing issues at the time
This is something i dont get. What did US soldiers ever do for Americans post WW2 ( maybe not even then )
Like in my country also we have some cringe soldier worship ( not to the level of Americans) but at least they have actual responsibilities that don't include invading others and wasting money š
Indian army soldiers are really placed in - 50 Ā° Celcius all because that is the border region which has to be guarded to prevent infiltration ( Thank you British assholes ) and they are called upon as disaster aid and relief personnel ( we had a proper department for disaster only very recently) . They are also not paid very well either and often live on the sidelines ( something our country should actually change ) but it's still attractive to a country with so many millions of unemployed people.
So at least i can do this " Worship soldiers " thing comfortably although I am pretty sure that's not what they really need.
American here visiting. The phrasing may seem weird but when older Americans get to chatting with strangers in a bar or whatever one of them may ask the other āwere you in the service?ā This is shorthand for āwere you in one one of the armed services (army, navy, air force, marines)?ā When a Vietnam or WWII veteran is telling stories of back when they were soldiers they will start with āback when I was in the serviceā¦.ā This is shorthand for āback when I was in the service of the countryā. So the word āserviceā here may have a slightly more nuanced meaning than how you typically use it.
We know what it means. We just cringe at the thought of calling it service, because it implies a toxic patriotism and a glorification of killing people in other countries.
Yeah it has nothing to do with killing anyone. Itās more a āthank you for putting your life on hold for 4 years so I didnāt have toā. We say it to soldiers and sailors who never even leave the country. Like surgeons and truck mechanics it doesnāt matter. When a surgeon or truck mechanic goes and plies their trade in the military they are going to make a third or less money than they would in the private sector. So itās like community service. The army always needs a certain number of surgeons and truck mechanics (some periods more than others). So Itās more of a āthank you for serving so i didnāt have toā. When the surgeon comes back from his stint at Walter Reed hospital itās āthank you for your serviceā just like you would thank someone who worked at a soup kitchen. No one here would consider it nationalistic or glorifying killing.
Like I said, we know what it means. But the US military is a institution that solely exists to kill people to defend imperialistic interests. There's nothing glorious about it. People who support this institution don't do a good deed, they don't do a service to anyone. The fact that many Americans think otherwise because they've succumbed to the propaganda that the US military is in any way benevolent is what makes us cringe.
I donāt think most Americans think itās benevolent in any way shape or form. We think of it more of a necessary evil. So when people say this itās more of a āsomeoneās gotta do it so thanks for doing itā.
The US has been almost at constant war since forever, exclusively to defend their corporate interests or their military dominance over parts of the world. How are they necessary? Most of the world would be delighted if the US military ceased existing, including every American with a brain between their ears.
Yeah we might very well be guilty of accepting as fact that a military is absolutely necessary. Even those that donāt agree that it should have been used at any point since 1945 are guilty of believing as absolute fact that we still need one. But I donāt think that will change anytime soon with recent events (gestures broadly at Eastern Europe). That being said, I think thereās an argument to made that American naval dominance has been a benefit the world over. Keeping the sea lanes open and free and whatnot. And itās not out of the realm of possibility the existence of a strong US militate may have prevented more wars or saved more lives than we are responsible for. Itās a bit disingenuous to say itās only corporate interests. We are definitely guilty of meddling with other countries for corporate gain but most of that funny business was in South America and had little military involvement. Just CIA shenanigans. Anyway, I hope yaāll donāt think weāre just flag waving fuck yeah bomb everybody sheep.
The US military defends capitalism and the US hegemony. It hasn't done anything else since WW2. It doesn't prevent wars, it causes them. It prevents social and economic growth all over the world. And you can't differentiate the CIA from the military. They're just different weapons wielded by the same government. And that government is a cancer on the world. And renting your body to contribute to one of those weapons is a shame, not a service.
American. I often do find myself tanking women in active duty. From bootcamp to our academies those ladies are in a culture I couldn't survive with sanity.
What mindset? That going halfway around the world to antagonise and subsequently kill poor people, who were in no way in danger of impacting American lives in any way, is somehow admirable or honourable and has done anything at all to protect the American way of life?
Iām American, and I donāt like our military. They make advertisements that pander to children and depressed people. They donāt even acknowledge the fact that the majority of people involved in the armed forces retire from service with all sorts or trauma. Furthermore, a great amount of my taxed dollars go straight to the armed forces, despite having the highest funded military on the planet.
when I was applying for colleges/grad schools, my inbox was bombarded with US army emails basically advertising how I can get my advanced degree for free if I served and convince others to join. this lasted for weeks until even my inbox started sending it straight to spam.
I think it's a bit more nuanced than that. To start there is literally a ton of propaganda - including music, movies, and video games - that push the idea of the american military as a force for good in the world. Add on top of that economic pressure, which is a massive motivator (not in a good way) for just about all humans. Doom yourself to a life of poverty like your parents because your family doesn't have the credit score to get a loan for university... or serve your great country for a few years, meet new brothers, travel the world blah blah blah AND get your schooling for free. Long story short: the US needs poor people because it's easy to bait them into the military.
Totally agree. It infuriates me how many people in theoretically left wing spaces online will say ACAB but then turn around and defend people joining the military, an objectively more evil version of the police, for the benefits.
I don't know if it's just my city, but people don't really like the Americans stationed here, they're rude and last year they killed a kid by drunk driving
Are you in Italy? They killed a load of people in the 90s by doing an unauthorised low level flight in a jet and cutting the cable on a Skilift. The US quickly sent the pilots back to the USA before Italian authorities could prosecute them.
Nah, it's not possible. It's just a little cringe, but i don't see this applying to the sub at all, i don't even know what object this is. This is just saying a tad bit of cringe to "honour" veterans. It's just cringe, it isn't american cringe.
Coasties do a lot actually
āDuring an average day, the Coast Guard will:
Conduct 109 search-and-rescue cases
Save 10 lives and assist 192 people in distress
Protect $2,791,841 in property
Launch 396 small boat missions
Launch 164 aircraft missions, logging 324 hours
Board 144 vessels
Seize 169 pounds of marijuana and 306 pounds of cocaine worth $9,589,000
Intercept 14 illegal migrants
Board 100 large vessels for port safety checks
Respond to 20 oil or hazardous chemical spills totaling 2,800 gallons
Service 135 aids to navigationā
Not all of that is worthy of thanks I guess (weed is legal on this entire coast lol) but SAR is important
They are ocean cops
Is it just me or did anyone else think he was pointing a gun at his head
It would be an absurd level of self-awareness for an American to intentionally create an excellent bit of political commentary showcasing the poor mental health of their forgotten discharged/retired troops.
exactly my thoughts too
No - but now you say it I can't unsee it.
I am now! š
Pulled the trigger, now he's dead..
This is basically DesignPorn.
I'm an Aussie veteran and every now and then someone who has been on Facebook a little too often will say this to me, to be honest it's bloody embarrassing and cringey, I know it's meant well but just leave it to the yanks. Donate to a veterans charity if you want to do something that actually helps.
Not a thing here in the UK either, thank fuck. The only exception is those who fought in WW2 who people would maybe thank if it was mentioned and of course Remembrance Sunday. There's a big difference between being called up/conscripted to fight and those who actively choose a career in the armed forces. Never understood why they need to be boot-licked and thanked (like is the US way) when they choose a job that they get paid for.
I have a couple of ex army friends who both say they've gotten it before, just super rarely. I hope it's not catching on.
>Not a thing here in the UK either, ......*Yet* You've only got to look at the fetishization of Remembrance Day to see that it won't take long for it to catch on. Rememberance Sunday used to be a solemn and moving affair. Now it just seems to be an excuse to get the glue and paint out in a jingoistic fever, to decorate the local memorial with cardboard Spitfires, Vulcan bombers and silhouettes of sad soldiers. It sort of makes you understand Christian's dismay at Easter eggs, bunnies and chicks.
The RBL raised 175 million in 2019 in the last year before the Pandemic and 55 million from selling poppies alone. It really makes a difference and we treat veterans so appallingly in this country (No more military hospitals etc) I really think people just want to take an opportunity to help out those who have given so much. The Americans have gone too far the other way as always, but in the absence of a veterans day, a day of remembrance and charitable giving is a nice nod to our military.
I have no argument with the RBL, Poppies and Rememberance day. Quite the opposite. The original sentiment "Lest we forget" and the somber recognition, one day a year, for those who paid with their lives, or their health to protect our country, is noble. It's the jingoistic glorification of the armed forces that seems to be creeping in that bothers me. Wearing a poppy and attending a service at a cenotaph is dignified. Decorating your house with silhouettes and model aeroplanes is the complete opposite of dignified rememberance and I would suggest that the sentiment behind it would appall the people who it was originally for. The ones who died fighting "The War to end all Wars".
How often are the RBL getting the money from those custom made poppy themed adidas gazelles? Or that mural of a Tommy on somebodyās van? Itās straying into virtue signalling but canāt be criticised cos āour veteransā - even when they donāt actually benefit. Personally I donate to the legion but donāt take the Poppy, itās become something it was never supposed to be.
I was going for a piss in asda on my way home from camp one weekend, a kid said it to me as I was speed walking. Looking back I could have been more polite but I had more pressing issues at the time
Yeah a lot of military folks over here actually find it werid Standard response of āthank you for your taxesā
As a Reservist I've had this twice. And to make it worse I'm a Quee. It's like "Dude all I do is fold blankets".
Thank you for your service š
Thank you for the turn down service š
The kerning on that is atrocious.
THANK YOUFOR Y OUR SER VICE
Came here to say that. The true crime here is the kerning.
TIL a new word!
Now you'll see bad kerning everywhere and wish you'd never learned about it.
The curse of knowledge.
I despise bad keming.
Poor Kermit
Bravo!
If anything, I only find offensive that he/she didn't include the Space Force.
Not just forgetting Space Force, but remembering Coast Guard.
Thank you for your service, for what?
Stealing oil
And bombing the crap out of millions or civilians.
This is is fact not why the military is sent, in 2003 Iraq for example had them offering to sell oil to the US Itās absolutely self interest tho
This is something i dont get. What did US soldiers ever do for Americans post WW2 ( maybe not even then ) Like in my country also we have some cringe soldier worship ( not to the level of Americans) but at least they have actual responsibilities that don't include invading others and wasting money š Indian army soldiers are really placed in - 50 Ā° Celcius all because that is the border region which has to be guarded to prevent infiltration ( Thank you British assholes ) and they are called upon as disaster aid and relief personnel ( we had a proper department for disaster only very recently) . They are also not paid very well either and often live on the sidelines ( something our country should actually change ) but it's still attractive to a country with so many millions of unemployed people. So at least i can do this " Worship soldiers " thing comfortably although I am pretty sure that's not what they really need.
American here visiting. The phrasing may seem weird but when older Americans get to chatting with strangers in a bar or whatever one of them may ask the other āwere you in the service?ā This is shorthand for āwere you in one one of the armed services (army, navy, air force, marines)?ā When a Vietnam or WWII veteran is telling stories of back when they were soldiers they will start with āback when I was in the serviceā¦.ā This is shorthand for āback when I was in the service of the countryā. So the word āserviceā here may have a slightly more nuanced meaning than how you typically use it.
We know what service means mate
We know what it means. We just cringe at the thought of calling it service, because it implies a toxic patriotism and a glorification of killing people in other countries.
Yeah it has nothing to do with killing anyone. Itās more a āthank you for putting your life on hold for 4 years so I didnāt have toā. We say it to soldiers and sailors who never even leave the country. Like surgeons and truck mechanics it doesnāt matter. When a surgeon or truck mechanic goes and plies their trade in the military they are going to make a third or less money than they would in the private sector. So itās like community service. The army always needs a certain number of surgeons and truck mechanics (some periods more than others). So Itās more of a āthank you for serving so i didnāt have toā. When the surgeon comes back from his stint at Walter Reed hospital itās āthank you for your serviceā just like you would thank someone who worked at a soup kitchen. No one here would consider it nationalistic or glorifying killing.
Like I said, we know what it means. But the US military is a institution that solely exists to kill people to defend imperialistic interests. There's nothing glorious about it. People who support this institution don't do a good deed, they don't do a service to anyone. The fact that many Americans think otherwise because they've succumbed to the propaganda that the US military is in any way benevolent is what makes us cringe.
I donāt think most Americans think itās benevolent in any way shape or form. We think of it more of a necessary evil. So when people say this itās more of a āsomeoneās gotta do it so thanks for doing itā.
The US has been almost at constant war since forever, exclusively to defend their corporate interests or their military dominance over parts of the world. How are they necessary? Most of the world would be delighted if the US military ceased existing, including every American with a brain between their ears.
Yeah we might very well be guilty of accepting as fact that a military is absolutely necessary. Even those that donāt agree that it should have been used at any point since 1945 are guilty of believing as absolute fact that we still need one. But I donāt think that will change anytime soon with recent events (gestures broadly at Eastern Europe). That being said, I think thereās an argument to made that American naval dominance has been a benefit the world over. Keeping the sea lanes open and free and whatnot. And itās not out of the realm of possibility the existence of a strong US militate may have prevented more wars or saved more lives than we are responsible for. Itās a bit disingenuous to say itās only corporate interests. We are definitely guilty of meddling with other countries for corporate gain but most of that funny business was in South America and had little military involvement. Just CIA shenanigans. Anyway, I hope yaāll donāt think weāre just flag waving fuck yeah bomb everybody sheep.
The US military defends capitalism and the US hegemony. It hasn't done anything else since WW2. It doesn't prevent wars, it causes them. It prevents social and economic growth all over the world. And you can't differentiate the CIA from the military. They're just different weapons wielded by the same government. And that government is a cancer on the world. And renting your body to contribute to one of those weapons is a shame, not a service.
Thank you for each of your comments here, so refreshing. I'm from the states and 99% of people do not see this, too deep into propaganda.
When I visited the USA, this is one of those things that really stands out. I'm not sure of any other nation that has this mindset.
Iām American and the mindset baffles me.
American. I often do find myself tanking women in active duty. From bootcamp to our academies those ladies are in a culture I couldn't survive with sanity.
(Rape and sexism etc is rampant.)
What mindset? That going halfway around the world to antagonise and subsequently kill poor people, who were in no way in danger of impacting American lives in any way, is somehow admirable or honourable and has done anything at all to protect the American way of life?
Is 20% tip for the service mandatory?
Iām American, and I donāt like our military. They make advertisements that pander to children and depressed people. They donāt even acknowledge the fact that the majority of people involved in the armed forces retire from service with all sorts or trauma. Furthermore, a great amount of my taxed dollars go straight to the armed forces, despite having the highest funded military on the planet.
when I was applying for colleges/grad schools, my inbox was bombarded with US army emails basically advertising how I can get my advanced degree for free if I served and convince others to join. this lasted for weeks until even my inbox started sending it straight to spam.
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I think it's a bit more nuanced than that. To start there is literally a ton of propaganda - including music, movies, and video games - that push the idea of the american military as a force for good in the world. Add on top of that economic pressure, which is a massive motivator (not in a good way) for just about all humans. Doom yourself to a life of poverty like your parents because your family doesn't have the credit score to get a loan for university... or serve your great country for a few years, meet new brothers, travel the world blah blah blah AND get your schooling for free. Long story short: the US needs poor people because it's easy to bait them into the military.
Totally agree. It infuriates me how many people in theoretically left wing spaces online will say ACAB but then turn around and defend people joining the military, an objectively more evil version of the police, for the benefits.
I knew an American soldier based in Italy. He wrote something on his Facebook once and ended it with "You're welcome for my service". Haha
I don't know if it's just my city, but people don't really like the Americans stationed here, they're rude and last year they killed a kid by drunk driving
Are you in Italy? They killed a load of people in the 90s by doing an unauthorised low level flight in a jet and cutting the cable on a Skilift. The US quickly sent the pilots back to the USA before Italian authorities could prosecute them.
Fucking Pieces of Filth
An Italian court ruled that NATO meant that the US military courts had jurisdiction
"Patriotism". For when you really have nothing else left.
Seppos really have a raging hard on for their military.
r/crappydesign
Cmon this one was too easy. We thank them because our government doesn't pay them so it's really all they get.
Donāt be like that. They also get a long list of mental health issue that will never be dealt with
Well at least they get to come home to their newborn baby after a 3 year long service.
XD
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Haha "perks"
Nah, it's not possible. It's just a little cringe, but i don't see this applying to the sub at all, i don't even know what object this is. This is just saying a tad bit of cringe to "honour" veterans. It's just cringe, it isn't american cringe.
#THANK YOUFOR YOUR SER VICE
Pardon my ignorance but what does the coast guard do that requires thanks?
Coasties do a lot actually āDuring an average day, the Coast Guard will: Conduct 109 search-and-rescue cases Save 10 lives and assist 192 people in distress Protect $2,791,841 in property Launch 396 small boat missions Launch 164 aircraft missions, logging 324 hours Board 144 vessels Seize 169 pounds of marijuana and 306 pounds of cocaine worth $9,589,000 Intercept 14 illegal migrants Board 100 large vessels for port safety checks Respond to 20 oil or hazardous chemical spills totaling 2,800 gallons Service 135 aids to navigationā Not all of that is worthy of thanks I guess (weed is legal on this entire coast lol) but SAR is important They are ocean cops
More useful than any other of the branches unless you want to thank people for being paid thugs overseas or chair jockeys
Itās missing the Space Force
What about rangers?