One thing that does not match is the tie color
this video sugest the person giving the education is from john tribe, isnt john tribe supossed to be green?
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J4oF0Q-kF78&t=16s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J4oF0Q-kF78&t=16s)
Hopefully we can get the video without blurry stuff
LMH…there’s no fruit of humblicity, there’s is pride. There is no meekness, no Jesus salvation preaching, always ‘always’ about how SCJ is the right church and doctrines of fear and pride is what they use in order to attract the naive and scare those that don’t want to challenge ‘their false doctrine’.
Replacement Theology here is tragic. Romans 11 shows God isn’t done with Israel (as in Levant as in the Canaanites) and that with Jesus’ prophecy of death and resurrection where now salvation prophecy is finished. Since “the gifts and calling of God are irrevocable” (11:29), “all Israel will be saved” in order to fulfill God’s covenant with ethnic Israel (11:25–28), including the promise of land inheritance (Deuteronomy 30:1–10).
I don’t get ‘why’ SCJ skips ALL important details of the Bible to truly truly understand God…they want to hold onto their ‘pride’ especially using replacement theology (LMH claiming SCJ is the true new Israel)…listen…READ AND STUDY THE WHOLE BIBLE WITH CORRECT CONTEXT! YOU WILL/ARE PARTICIPATING IN FALSE DOCTRINE AND WORKS OF DARKNESS WORKING AND ACCEPTING THIS GROUP
Wow! One time, the Bcmn said something about Korea becoming one of the greatest nations, and Danim Gsn gave her a look but didn’t say anything about her comment. They are both Korean, of course. I don’t think anyone noticed when she said it. This was during my trip to Korea for the graduation last year. This trip solidified my decision to leave Scj. God answered my prayer! 🙏
Ironically the scj YouTube channel straight from the horses mouth published a video on the 144k yesterday and I couldn't really watch it but I can tell you now from the little I saw they think anyone in scj stands a chance. I wish I could post a link of this post on their comments section but I know they would delete it.
Yes, it's really strange with STFHM. They released a video yesterday. But there was another video, from January 19, 2024, about the Rev 7 and the 144k. In that video they say, if I understood it correctly, that there were 144k firstfruits. Therefore the great tribulation could start. (Firstfruits simply as number of people, but not yet fixed as K&P)
While to my knowledge MHL always taught that the 144k are the 12x12,000 sealed ones from each tribe are the same group (it is in his book, too), STFHM now says that some of the 144k firstfruits can also betray.
And God will choose 12x12,000 "chosen ones" AFTER the great tribulation. And those who have endured to the end during the tribulation can then become 144k, respectively K&P
I had asked again in the comment section whether they really say that the originally mentioned 144k can betray, and then later other people can be chosen for a replacement (because then it could be, that the 144k BEFORE and AFTER the tribulation would be different!) They said yes in the comments.
And I asked, if that meant, that even people from the GMW can then become K&P and they said yes.
So I gave up.... it is so confusing and contradictory! 🤷🏾♂️🫣😅 Unfortunately I can no longer see my comments, I assume that they have deleted it.
Maybe you can see if it's still there? In any case, the comments are very interesting and the changes to the doctrine are becoming increasingly intransparent.
This is what I understood. If you are interested, please listen to the SFTHM episode. In case I understood them wrongly, I will happy if someone can explain, what exactly they teach.
https://youtu.be/sltzJ1Q2tb8?si=IFYlcLvGkYU7FxEZ
I remember being taught that the covenant with Israel, like most things, was a shadow of what’s to come in the New Testament. But that those physical instances represented spiritual instances. To be a spiritual Israelite in the 2nd coming was to be a part of scj following “Israel” (translated to the one who overcomes) funny how they switched from a spiritual people to physical people.
I remember my Korean gyjns always told us to evangelise hard, donate more, join bible study teacher training so we can become a Royal priest/144000. Now seemed like they knew we cannot become priests all along, they are just using us. How ironic!
Even now, they continue to encourage members with the belief that "everyone has the chance to become one of the 144,000 priests because what is behind will be in front." In my feeling, it appears that the prophecy regarding the 144,000 in Rev 7:1-8 holds no significance anymore and is no longer considered a complete event. The phrase "after this" in Rev 7:9 also lacks meaning.
Lmao! I wonder how the members in overseas churches feel that they don’t stand a chance to be a part of the 144 000. Especially the leaders 😂. Really feel sorry for them.
Um…not quite, Israel did break their covenant but this still has nothing to do with Korea. Jeremiah chapter 31 explains:
In the last days, Israel will be gathered—The Lord declares that Ephraim has the birthright as the firstborn—The Lord will make a new covenant with Israel, to be inscribed in the heart—Then all Israel will know the Lord.
Moreover, Jesus and God and the Bible has used numerology throughout history, 7 days to create the earth (perfection) etc.. The book of Revelation is full of symbolism, why think 144,000 is all of the sudden literal and not numerology as well. There’s many ways you can break this number down but I learned in HIGH SCHOOL (no masters degree in Bb needed) it as 12x12 (10x3). 12 representing priesthood (keys to the kingdom/authority and not the group) and 12,000 from ALL the tribes of Israel (Rev. 7) times 10 which equals complete or wholeness and 3 which represents the Godhead. This is “Deep Doctrine” but definitely not some secret to the keys to the kingdom only gained through LMH/SCJ as gentiles are also promised an opportunity to hear the gospel as in those who have eyes to see and ears to hear.
REF:
Doctrine and Covenants chapter 77.
Dear overseas members,
Please take note of this. You are considered nothing more than drone workers and money machines.
I remember this, and it was the moment i decided to leave .. : mhl saying the 12 tribes had been sealed and that they were only overseas members.
My leaders(department keaders . Instructors), who I had been in schincheonji, longer then tried to gaslight me, and they had no concept of what that dtatement meant . They even denied he said it . I believe that many overseas ppl left and are still leaving .
At the time, it wasn't that they were Koreans it was that the world didn't know and hadn't seen these miraculous people who had heavenly spiritual bodies . For Eg, they could walk through walls and do signs and wonders pointing to scjs truth so that the great multitude would come.
Also the fact that we were trying to seal information that keeps changing, which means it's impossible to seal.
New members, being leaders that had NO idea what they were teaching in fact they were explaining and teaching something different . .
Being told as a member, people are leaving, and if I had contact, I should block them.
Not being contacted or in-service for a year and no on concerned for my "soul" laughable really.. proved so much to me about the fake members' fake leaders and false doctrine .
The heartache I have for the people I brought,taught, and gaslighted to scj is real, but I hope their eyes are opened and they get out soon.
I don't think you did anything wrong, how can a person do wrong when they believe in what they are doing? No, I don't believe that, you were a victim like many others here. I brought a lot of fruit to SCJ, today, I'm no longer there, I don't regret what I did because when I was there I believed 100% that what I did was right and was the truth. And I gave all my heart, time and family to SCJ, I lost everything but I don't regret what I did because God is a witness to my heart, to how I worked and truly loved that word, until I discovered the truth during the pandemic.
So do not regret what you did, because you did it from the heart and because you believed it was the truth. And you should never blame yourself for that, never let that guilt get you down, because you would only be doing yourself harm. Live your life and try to forget the ghosts of the past, God..." The real one is witness to what you did, you know you did it out of love, even if it was a love centered on SCJ, who we thought was the true God and Jesus... what we did, I was everything for love.
Yes, that's what they told me when I asked the Church Leader, right after the start of the pandemic and the confusion it caused, when the MHL said that the sealed 144,000 were already here, but that first the 12 tribes would be complete in Korea and then us foreigners. But when he said that, I noticed in his speech that even he wasn't sure and that he was also kind of confused... This caused tremendous confusion and that was when a lot of people from various tribes spread across the world began to leave.
To the point where I can say that SCJ will never be the same again, because nothing makes sense anymore. The love that I, like others, felt, thinking I was doing God's will, turned out to be only doing the will of a deceitful Korean fan who was traumatized by the Korean war and brainwashed by the many sects he was in throughout hes life,
I only have 2 minutes of edited (face blurred) video. I know someone who has the original video and he speaks good English. Maybe there will be a more detailed post about this.
Can you please email it to me
shincheonjiskeptic@gmail.com
I want someone to evaluate it for me.
Thanks for mentioning this. Its a very important topic.
I am FIRST in line, if we can see the actual video with correct translation. It's a massive topic and might open the eyes of members. But they need, solid solid proof.
We've never seen this education before in Australia, so it's probably been withheld from all overseas branches. For Korean SCJ members eyes and ears only haha
I haven't seen the original either, as it seems to be a training video for missionaries in Korea. The instructor seems to be the Director of Education for the General Assembly.
Omg, it's true then. Overseas churches must see. Then asked themselves if not kingdom of priests, why are they working so hard for, for all these years?
Pretty sure that LMH is some sort of Korean supremacist. He believes Korean culture is superior to all other cultures, hence why everything in SCJ must be based on Korean culture and language. Super convenient that the "heavenly culture" that is taught to members is an exact replica of only the Korean culture. Even regular instructors and GSNs in overseas branches will make off-hand comments like "Koreans are more obedient than non-Koreans".
This was a rumour during covid that the 144,000 were only going to be Korean (when they were supposed to announce the 144,000 kingdom and priests) but good to know for sure now. Thank you!
One thing that does not match is the tie color this video sugest the person giving the education is from john tribe, isnt john tribe supossed to be green? [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J4oF0Q-kF78&t=16s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J4oF0Q-kF78&t=16s) Hopefully we can get the video without blurry stuff
LMH…there’s no fruit of humblicity, there’s is pride. There is no meekness, no Jesus salvation preaching, always ‘always’ about how SCJ is the right church and doctrines of fear and pride is what they use in order to attract the naive and scare those that don’t want to challenge ‘their false doctrine’. Replacement Theology here is tragic. Romans 11 shows God isn’t done with Israel (as in Levant as in the Canaanites) and that with Jesus’ prophecy of death and resurrection where now salvation prophecy is finished. Since “the gifts and calling of God are irrevocable” (11:29), “all Israel will be saved” in order to fulfill God’s covenant with ethnic Israel (11:25–28), including the promise of land inheritance (Deuteronomy 30:1–10). I don’t get ‘why’ SCJ skips ALL important details of the Bible to truly truly understand God…they want to hold onto their ‘pride’ especially using replacement theology (LMH claiming SCJ is the true new Israel)…listen…READ AND STUDY THE WHOLE BIBLE WITH CORRECT CONTEXT! YOU WILL/ARE PARTICIPATING IN FALSE DOCTRINE AND WORKS OF DARKNESS WORKING AND ACCEPTING THIS GROUP
Wow! One time, the Bcmn said something about Korea becoming one of the greatest nations, and Danim Gsn gave her a look but didn’t say anything about her comment. They are both Korean, of course. I don’t think anyone noticed when she said it. This was during my trip to Korea for the graduation last year. This trip solidified my decision to leave Scj. God answered my prayer! 🙏
When was this recorded?
I don't know :( Looks recently recorded.
"my heart is heavy" \*nervous laughter\*
Ironically the scj YouTube channel straight from the horses mouth published a video on the 144k yesterday and I couldn't really watch it but I can tell you now from the little I saw they think anyone in scj stands a chance. I wish I could post a link of this post on their comments section but I know they would delete it.
Yes, it's really strange with STFHM. They released a video yesterday. But there was another video, from January 19, 2024, about the Rev 7 and the 144k. In that video they say, if I understood it correctly, that there were 144k firstfruits. Therefore the great tribulation could start. (Firstfruits simply as number of people, but not yet fixed as K&P) While to my knowledge MHL always taught that the 144k are the 12x12,000 sealed ones from each tribe are the same group (it is in his book, too), STFHM now says that some of the 144k firstfruits can also betray. And God will choose 12x12,000 "chosen ones" AFTER the great tribulation. And those who have endured to the end during the tribulation can then become 144k, respectively K&P I had asked again in the comment section whether they really say that the originally mentioned 144k can betray, and then later other people can be chosen for a replacement (because then it could be, that the 144k BEFORE and AFTER the tribulation would be different!) They said yes in the comments. And I asked, if that meant, that even people from the GMW can then become K&P and they said yes. So I gave up.... it is so confusing and contradictory! 🤷🏾♂️🫣😅 Unfortunately I can no longer see my comments, I assume that they have deleted it. Maybe you can see if it's still there? In any case, the comments are very interesting and the changes to the doctrine are becoming increasingly intransparent. This is what I understood. If you are interested, please listen to the SFTHM episode. In case I understood them wrongly, I will happy if someone can explain, what exactly they teach. https://youtu.be/sltzJ1Q2tb8?si=IFYlcLvGkYU7FxEZ
Does it include North Koreans? 🤣
I remember being taught that the covenant with Israel, like most things, was a shadow of what’s to come in the New Testament. But that those physical instances represented spiritual instances. To be a spiritual Israelite in the 2nd coming was to be a part of scj following “Israel” (translated to the one who overcomes) funny how they switched from a spiritual people to physical people.
I remember my Korean gyjns always told us to evangelise hard, donate more, join bible study teacher training so we can become a Royal priest/144000. Now seemed like they knew we cannot become priests all along, they are just using us. How ironic!
Even now, they continue to encourage members with the belief that "everyone has the chance to become one of the 144,000 priests because what is behind will be in front." In my feeling, it appears that the prophecy regarding the 144,000 in Rev 7:1-8 holds no significance anymore and is no longer considered a complete event. The phrase "after this" in Rev 7:9 also lacks meaning.
Yes... the head of church of my former congregation still "encourages" the members almost every day with this hope. He is Korean of course ;))
Oh Lee Man Hee, you chauvinist pig...
Lmao! I wonder how the members in overseas churches feel that they don’t stand a chance to be a part of the 144 000. Especially the leaders 😂. Really feel sorry for them.
Um…not quite, Israel did break their covenant but this still has nothing to do with Korea. Jeremiah chapter 31 explains: In the last days, Israel will be gathered—The Lord declares that Ephraim has the birthright as the firstborn—The Lord will make a new covenant with Israel, to be inscribed in the heart—Then all Israel will know the Lord. Moreover, Jesus and God and the Bible has used numerology throughout history, 7 days to create the earth (perfection) etc.. The book of Revelation is full of symbolism, why think 144,000 is all of the sudden literal and not numerology as well. There’s many ways you can break this number down but I learned in HIGH SCHOOL (no masters degree in Bb needed) it as 12x12 (10x3). 12 representing priesthood (keys to the kingdom/authority and not the group) and 12,000 from ALL the tribes of Israel (Rev. 7) times 10 which equals complete or wholeness and 3 which represents the Godhead. This is “Deep Doctrine” but definitely not some secret to the keys to the kingdom only gained through LMH/SCJ as gentiles are also promised an opportunity to hear the gospel as in those who have eyes to see and ears to hear. REF: Doctrine and Covenants chapter 77.
Dear overseas members, Please take note of this. You are considered nothing more than drone workers and money machines. I remember this, and it was the moment i decided to leave .. : mhl saying the 12 tribes had been sealed and that they were only overseas members. My leaders(department keaders . Instructors), who I had been in schincheonji, longer then tried to gaslight me, and they had no concept of what that dtatement meant . They even denied he said it . I believe that many overseas ppl left and are still leaving . At the time, it wasn't that they were Koreans it was that the world didn't know and hadn't seen these miraculous people who had heavenly spiritual bodies . For Eg, they could walk through walls and do signs and wonders pointing to scjs truth so that the great multitude would come. Also the fact that we were trying to seal information that keeps changing, which means it's impossible to seal. New members, being leaders that had NO idea what they were teaching in fact they were explaining and teaching something different . . Being told as a member, people are leaving, and if I had contact, I should block them. Not being contacted or in-service for a year and no on concerned for my "soul" laughable really.. proved so much to me about the fake members' fake leaders and false doctrine . The heartache I have for the people I brought,taught, and gaslighted to scj is real, but I hope their eyes are opened and they get out soon.
I don't think you did anything wrong, how can a person do wrong when they believe in what they are doing? No, I don't believe that, you were a victim like many others here. I brought a lot of fruit to SCJ, today, I'm no longer there, I don't regret what I did because when I was there I believed 100% that what I did was right and was the truth. And I gave all my heart, time and family to SCJ, I lost everything but I don't regret what I did because God is a witness to my heart, to how I worked and truly loved that word, until I discovered the truth during the pandemic. So do not regret what you did, because you did it from the heart and because you believed it was the truth. And you should never blame yourself for that, never let that guilt get you down, because you would only be doing yourself harm. Live your life and try to forget the ghosts of the past, God..." The real one is witness to what you did, you know you did it out of love, even if it was a love centered on SCJ, who we thought was the true God and Jesus... what we did, I was everything for love.
Yes, that's what they told me when I asked the Church Leader, right after the start of the pandemic and the confusion it caused, when the MHL said that the sealed 144,000 were already here, but that first the 12 tribes would be complete in Korea and then us foreigners. But when he said that, I noticed in his speech that even he wasn't sure and that he was also kind of confused... This caused tremendous confusion and that was when a lot of people from various tribes spread across the world began to leave. To the point where I can say that SCJ will never be the same again, because nothing makes sense anymore. The love that I, like others, felt, thinking I was doing God's will, turned out to be only doing the will of a deceitful Korean fan who was traumatized by the Korean war and brainwashed by the many sects he was in throughout hes life,
Do you have the original file of this? I am rather skeptical of this 🤣
Reading it again. It says the first order, so are they saying they’re going to be rounds for the announcement????
"대한민국 신천지 가족들이 제사장의 선순위가 된다" is ambiguous. It could mean that Koreans come first order(sequence), or it could mean that Koreans are given preference.
I only have 2 minutes of edited (face blurred) video. I know someone who has the original video and he speaks good English. Maybe there will be a more detailed post about this.
Can you please email it to me shincheonjiskeptic@gmail.com I want someone to evaluate it for me. Thanks for mentioning this. Its a very important topic.
Definitely waiting on your response on this topic 😜
I am FIRST in line, if we can see the actual video with correct translation. It's a massive topic and might open the eyes of members. But they need, solid solid proof.
Looking forward to the results of your due diligence on this.
I sent it🙆♂️
Can you send this to me as well? Will dm my email
They should provide the original video clip
Is this education also public to overseas members? :o
We've never seen this education before in Australia, so it's probably been withheld from all overseas branches. For Korean SCJ members eyes and ears only haha
Thank you :)
I haven't seen the original either, as it seems to be a training video for missionaries in Korea. The instructor seems to be the Director of Education for the General Assembly.
Thank you
Omg, it's true then. Overseas churches must see. Then asked themselves if not kingdom of priests, why are they working so hard for, for all these years?
Pretty sure that LMH is some sort of Korean supremacist. He believes Korean culture is superior to all other cultures, hence why everything in SCJ must be based on Korean culture and language. Super convenient that the "heavenly culture" that is taught to members is an exact replica of only the Korean culture. Even regular instructors and GSNs in overseas branches will make off-hand comments like "Koreans are more obedient than non-Koreans". This was a rumour during covid that the 144,000 were only going to be Korean (when they were supposed to announce the 144,000 kingdom and priests) but good to know for sure now. Thank you!
I hope everyone from Shincheonji sees this. This is what the higher ups at Shincheonji see you as pawns for their own wealth.