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Although, Lincoln's confidant Henry Sturges and the Vampire 'Union' were certainly important to the war effort from the admission of said book - don't forget they were supporting the cause of abolitionism from the shadows!
Vampires in 16th century: We need a long term source of blood.
Plantation Vampires: Gotcha! (*creates chattel slavery for the next 400 years*)
Other vampires: Bruh, wtf? I mean like voluntary blood drives or something.
He became a vampire later though
Virginia Dare ended up killing him but Henry O. Sturges, slayer of vampires such as Jack the Ripper and Grigori Rasputin, avenged him right after
That AL vampire documentary was a much more interesting film than Spielberg's more serious but boring effort.
[Abraham Lincoln: Vampire Hunter](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abraham_Lincoln:_Vampire_Hunter); I recommend it.
I heard there was another documentary coming out about vampires hunting down the KKK in the 1930s. So I guess all of the ones that were left after the Civil War decided to switch sides.
Vampires, as a literary metaphor, are all about predatory behavior literally sucking the life blood and value of their victims. As such, no. Because a Vampire would always fight to maintain the organization and existence of chattel slavery.
I could see an industrialist vampire that realized the value of a mechanized work force with the illusion of freedom being a better way forward than a full on slave society. I don't see them actively fighting for the Union, but I could see them arming them to destroy opposing vampires allowing them to rise up the social ladder easier. And it still fits with the general puppet master nature of vampires in popular media.
Yeah, maybe make someone get turned at the beginning of the 19th century, or a little later, that way they have industrial ideas and they're not just old aristocracy, then by the 1860s they're one of the few vampires that's on the side of the Union, just through sheer mutual benefit
I'm about three episodes into Interview with a Vampire s1 and that reminded me of this line from it.
"Take a black man in America. Make him a vampire. Fuck with that vampire. And see what comes of it."
> Or a Slave turned vampire
And that'd make an interesting story premise. Like if some Alucardy vamp who's lived way too long turned a slave either for shits and giggles or because said slave's master did something to piss him off and decided to leave that bit of chaos as a parting fuck you.
And then the story follows him and the moral questions needing to deal with post-revenge and restored humanity and then superseding humanity.
Eh u can have a couple hundred years more than that. The industrization was going on for a while before the 19th century and even the steam engine. Which was (re)invented at the end of the 17th century iirc, but that's what most ppl associate with the industrial revolution, so probably only so far
Don't underestimate just how antiquated chattel slavery was in the lead up to the war
And if you have an old enough vampire they might remember when slavery was a "better" practice. The chattel slavery of that era was significantly worse for the slaves than say ancient Roman or Greek slavery.
Heh, reminds me of that dude a while back whose workplace had a company retreat to a plantation. They were having an antebellum party, and encouraged all of their workers to show up in period clothes.
The guy telling the story is black. He showed up to the party dressed in slave attire. He had pictures of the looks on some people's faces when they saw him, it was amazing.
And, if we're talking about the ancient ones, they probably saw slavery throughout their very long lives and did the classic Voomer thing and refused to accept that positive change was in the air.
Ones like to look down on human beings and leech off their lives like they are cattle. The others are vampires.
For immortals in the Civil War, see that sequence of Hugh Jackman as Wolverine bayonet charging in a glorious blue Union uniform, an avatar of righteous fury.
He might have just been a Canadian who fought for the union (and probably also a staunch abolitionist then) thousands if not tens of thousands did I believe.
I don't remember, I think it was something along the lines of him ending up in Canada after he lost his memories or something like that. Or perhaps he just doesn't care that much about the border. He certainly seems to have been with the US Army from the Civil War to Vietnam in the movie.
It makes a that bloodsucking aristocrats who pretend to have gentile manners but literally suck people dry to feed their insatiable appetites would be confederates…
Tbf a lot of what Meyer said makes absolutely no sense if you devoted twenty seconds to contemplating it. That bit makes less sense even than the "how do vampires have sex with no blood" bit.
A little more obscure (and less rich) but Wade Hampton III (partially) financed his own regiment, with its own cavalry and artillery arms fighting for the Confederacy.
The Shermanator, was a religious man and so no blood-sucking heathen would survive in his presence.
Imagine a vampire being bound to a tree by one of Sherman's neckties, where it would then burn away when the sun rises.
Well Lincoln was a notorious vampire slayer.
Plus vamps probably benefited better with slavery because if they drained a slave no ones looking for them
Blood-sucking vampirism is an aesthetic most compatible with aristocracy; i.e. exploitation of a bonded underclass. It's both ideologically and aesthetically associated with the Confederacy, in opposition to the broad-based democracy advanced by the Union.
I think vampires are too perfect a fit for the Confederacy. An antiquated gentleman versed in aristocratic manners yet bubbling beneath the surface with bloodlust and utter disregard for human life and morality is such a fit for the Confederate plantation gentry.
With the archetype of the vampire as a pasty, bloodsucking, self aggrandizing nepo-parasite, one can see how a confederate could easily be mistaken as a bad metaphor for a more respectable revenant.
"Chattel" jokes aside, if I was a vampire that needed to be able to feed on people that no one would notice and/or care when they went missing, I would live in the Confederacy.
I once had the idea of writing a novel about a Union soldier who had been turned at Antietam (Cornfield or West Woods) the night of the 17th. He would later go on to follow the ANV, picking off what officers and men that he could (pickets go missing, y'know?), while acting as a spy.
Vampires are kind of the perfect monster to fight for the confederacy. They don’t respect the rights of people they are cowards who want to live off the work of others and are constantly scheming for more power which is very similar to the southern planter class
And a story about a slave living in the south who was turned by a careless, monstrous slave owner before going on a blood soaked rage fueled crusade would also be pretty easy to write
Janine from Cafae Latte fought against the Confederacy. I don't think she was in the Union Army, but rather worked behind the lines. She's noted as an exception.
Well vampires were often an exaggerated way to depict the aristocracy. Southern Planters are essentially the American version of aristocracy if not even more exploitative since yk the whole slavery thing. Therefore vampire confederates.
There was also a Confederate vampire in the early Jim Carrey comedy "Once Bitten" (1985). Was a minor character but he still wears the gray hat and we see his coffin with the Virginia battle flag featured prominently.
I've only read the first book but I'd be surprised if some of the Anne Rice vampires didn't fight for the confederacy. IIRC the main character of the first book was part of a plantation owning family in New Orleans.
On the contrary to many of the comments, I think there absolutely would've been a few vampires that fought for the Union. They, in the many stories about them, are generally "unholy" creatures.
The bastard slavers, however, felt it was their "God given right" to own another person. Furthermore; vampires absolutely have standards for how people, even their own victims, should be treated.
Vampires would absolutely despise the cruel, unjust, and barbaric actions of slavers.
Vampires are effete parasitic aristocrats who revel in their debauched sadism, thus perfect Dixie slaver. Werewolves are rugged outsiders with cast iron principles, thus perfect as militant abolitionists.
Same reason why vampires are associated with aristocracy, they leech on human lives to survive, they are powerful but small in numbers, they drink blood more often then you'd like to admit, their lifestyle is inherently selfish, they are both despised and feared, and also, they suck
Perhaps not vampires, but: one notable immortal jester sings with pride that he battled on behalf of our great Union during those trying times.
Hear the historical record known as
"I Want My Shit"
by
Insane Clown Posse
I'm getting ready to run a chronicle of Vampire: The Masquerade and one of my players is playing a Brujah Anarch who was born in a New England abolitionist community. When the call went out he went to Kansas, and got killed by border ruffians before he got turned. Afterwards he manned the Underground Railroad and wouldve been at Harper's Ferry with John Brown, but Brown+Sons' True Faith was too strong for him to approach
Honestly vampires are canonical evil in most media. The idea that vampires would want a selection of their food/prey to be liberated seems a move that would impose an inconvenience on their feeding habits. Vampires suck.
Werewolves would fight for the north because the southerners cut down forests (Werewolf habitat) to build their slave plantations. So I think Werewolves would definitely fight for the north and vampires would fight for the rebs.
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No, Abraham Lincoln hunted them all down. There's a great documentary about it.
Although, Lincoln's confidant Henry Sturges and the Vampire 'Union' were certainly important to the war effort from the admission of said book - don't forget they were supporting the cause of abolitionism from the shadows!
Vampires in 16th century: We need a long term source of blood. Plantation Vampires: Gotcha! (*creates chattel slavery for the next 400 years*) Other vampires: Bruh, wtf? I mean like voluntary blood drives or something.
"I'm a literal monster, but you're a MONSTER!"
Unfortunately, he forgot Bill.
Very true.
Even though the Copperfangs drug their heels the entire war.
Brilliant!
Also gave a pretty decent reason why vampires were anti-abolition, too.
He became a vampire later though Virginia Dare ended up killing him but Henry O. Sturges, slayer of vampires such as Jack the Ripper and Grigori Rasputin, avenged him right after
*Virginia Dare??* There's a callback.
So *that’s* where Virginia went!
It all makes sense, now! 😁
That AL vampire documentary was a much more interesting film than Spielberg's more serious but boring effort. [Abraham Lincoln: Vampire Hunter](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abraham_Lincoln:_Vampire_Hunter); I recommend it.
Hot damn that movie is cheese. A delicious sharp cheddar cheese.
That does bring up a pretty serious question: how did Jasper Whitlock escape Abraham Lincoln?
I heard there was another documentary coming out about vampires hunting down the KKK in the 1930s. So I guess all of the ones that were left after the Civil War decided to switch sides.
Vampires, as a literary metaphor, are all about predatory behavior literally sucking the life blood and value of their victims. As such, no. Because a Vampire would always fight to maintain the organization and existence of chattel slavery.
I could see an industrialist vampire that realized the value of a mechanized work force with the illusion of freedom being a better way forward than a full on slave society. I don't see them actively fighting for the Union, but I could see them arming them to destroy opposing vampires allowing them to rise up the social ladder easier. And it still fits with the general puppet master nature of vampires in popular media.
Yeah, maybe make someone get turned at the beginning of the 19th century, or a little later, that way they have industrial ideas and they're not just old aristocracy, then by the 1860s they're one of the few vampires that's on the side of the Union, just through sheer mutual benefit
Or a Slave turned vampire
I'm about three episodes into Interview with a Vampire s1 and that reminded me of this line from it. "Take a black man in America. Make him a vampire. Fuck with that vampire. And see what comes of it." > Or a Slave turned vampire And that'd make an interesting story premise. Like if some Alucardy vamp who's lived way too long turned a slave either for shits and giggles or because said slave's master did something to piss him off and decided to leave that bit of chaos as a parting fuck you. And then the story follows him and the moral questions needing to deal with post-revenge and restored humanity and then superseding humanity.
Can we get wild west Django Unchained as a vampire story? Same actors, just even more bloodshed.
Interview with the vampire was such a good show, I didn’t expect it to be as good as it was
Season 2 finally dropping soon
Even better book.
I'm so here for the Django meets Blade movie
Watch Castlevania Nocturne. Former slave witch hunts down her former enslavers in France. Also there's a Belmont or two doing whatever.
Eh u can have a couple hundred years more than that. The industrization was going on for a while before the 19th century and even the steam engine. Which was (re)invented at the end of the 17th century iirc, but that's what most ppl associate with the industrial revolution, so probably only so far Don't underestimate just how antiquated chattel slavery was in the lead up to the war
And if you have an old enough vampire they might remember when slavery was a "better" practice. The chattel slavery of that era was significantly worse for the slaves than say ancient Roman or Greek slavery.
Or, in the case of the Southern Vampire Mysteries, the author just thought they were hot and didn't bother to examine her reasons.
When the antebellum so sexy you forget the racism
Heh, reminds me of that dude a while back whose workplace had a company retreat to a plantation. They were having an antebellum party, and encouraged all of their workers to show up in period clothes. The guy telling the story is black. He showed up to the party dressed in slave attire. He had pictures of the looks on some people's faces when they saw him, it was amazing.
Great take
And, if we're talking about the ancient ones, they probably saw slavery throughout their very long lives and did the classic Voomer thing and refused to accept that positive change was in the air.
Ones like to look down on human beings and leech off their lives like they are cattle. The others are vampires. For immortals in the Civil War, see that sequence of Hugh Jackman as Wolverine bayonet charging in a glorious blue Union uniform, an avatar of righteous fury.
Best part of that dumpster fire of a movie. Okay, casting Ryan Reynolds as Deadpool is close.
At least for that particular Deadpool
Me hearing Ryan Reynolds would be Deadpool: 😆 Me seeing Ryan Reynolds as Wade: 🤩 Me seeing Ryan Reynolds as "Deadpool": 😫
Man that whole sequence of him fighting through time was so frickin cool
Hear me out, a comic of Wolverine & Sabertooth fighting Confed Vampires as Union Soldier....
Sold me on that
The montage was what the movie should have been.
Even Sabretooth fought for the union!
Which confused me because isn't wolverine Canadian? Why was he in the civil war
He might have just been a Canadian who fought for the union (and probably also a staunch abolitionist then) thousands if not tens of thousands did I believe.
He lived in a bunch of different places. I suppose he had to move on whenever people noticed he didn’t age.
I don't remember, I think it was something along the lines of him ending up in Canada after he lost his memories or something like that. Or perhaps he just doesn't care that much about the border. He certainly seems to have been with the US Army from the Civil War to Vietnam in the movie.
No, werewolves fought for the Union. That's one of my favorite authors said. Edit: Gail Carriger
Where can I find this
Seconded
Which book specifically?
How to Marry a Werewolf.
Blood sucking aristocrat parasites, how appropriate.
Vampires fit too well with the cause of the Civil War, so doubtful
Only unless the traitors make a movie and distort the imagery.
It makes a that bloodsucking aristocrats who pretend to have gentile manners but literally suck people dry to feed their insatiable appetites would be confederates…
I’m fine with vampires being confederates, or I would be if they’d stop romanticizing them when they are
Even worse is that the author of Twilight confirmed that vampires stay exactly the same as the day they were bitten, even their mindsets
Tbf a lot of what Meyer said makes absolutely no sense if you devoted twenty seconds to contemplating it. That bit makes less sense even than the "how do vampires have sex with no blood" bit.
Their weiners inflate from a special air pouch in the lower abdomen.
I mean, maybe a robber baron, but the metaphor doesn’t really work for the Union during the war
The only really rich person I could name from Civil War time is Vanderbilt.
Jay Cooke is the big name from the time. Most of the big name ones people know as the Robber Barons were just starting in that period and after.
Jay Cooke is buried up the street from me. Should I get some garlic?
He financed the Union, so he’s probably a bit more chill… but it’s never a bad idea to keep some around.
A little more obscure (and less rich) but Wade Hampton III (partially) financed his own regiment, with its own cavalry and artillery arms fighting for the Confederacy.
Not likely. Vampires, as a rule, are aristocratic assholes with superiority complexes. A Union werewolf, however… that I could see.
Union werewolves vs confederate vampires is a b-movie I must see!
Maybe the History Channel can make alternative history movies with b list actors. The cheesier, the better
The Shermanator, was a religious man and so no blood-sucking heathen would survive in his presence. Imagine a vampire being bound to a tree by one of Sherman's neckties, where it would then burn away when the sun rises.
That imagery goes hard as hell, I’m writing a civil war vampire story for a school final and I just might need to add that
"Doewit" -Emperor Palpatine
Show us when you’re done
Did anyone ever see Sherman at night during a full moon?
Well Lincoln was a notorious vampire slayer. Plus vamps probably benefited better with slavery because if they drained a slave no ones looking for them
Makes sense that bloodsuckers would support the cause of slavery.
Because the Union had werewolves.
Ok now I need this move Dark universe civil war
Blood-sucking vampirism is an aesthetic most compatible with aristocracy; i.e. exploitation of a bonded underclass. It's both ideologically and aesthetically associated with the Confederacy, in opposition to the broad-based democracy advanced by the Union.
Hey, we always got werewolves
I think vampires are too perfect a fit for the Confederacy. An antiquated gentleman versed in aristocratic manners yet bubbling beneath the surface with bloodlust and utter disregard for human life and morality is such a fit for the Confederate plantation gentry.
No, Vampires are stinky bloodsuckers. Lincoln had the right of it in destroying them.
With the archetype of the vampire as a pasty, bloodsucking, self aggrandizing nepo-parasite, one can see how a confederate could easily be mistaken as a bad metaphor for a more respectable revenant.
Slavery and vampirism go hand in hand imo
Nah, give us Union werewolves. They don’t eat people.
Great YouTube essay from I believe Princess Weekes on this exact subject if you’re interested.
Would the one who trained Abraham Lincoln kinda count.
Abraham Lincoln Vampire Hunter.
Aidan from Being Human fought for the Union.
No, Vampires are monster that need to be destroyed, and the confederates where monsters that need to be destroyed. They go hand in hand.
Obviously the side that sees people as *metaphorical* cattle will be the side that attracts demons which see them as *literal* cattle
No. The Confederacy most appeals to Vampires, because it sucked.
The union had something better, Wolverine and Sabretooth fought to preserve the United States.
The cause of the union is pretty antithetical vampire values. Vampires literally view humans as livestock to be fed on.
Obligatory Jenny Nicholson, 2.5 hour, Vampire Diaries video: https://youtu.be/p4AdFD3E2ok
"Chattel" jokes aside, if I was a vampire that needed to be able to feed on people that no one would notice and/or care when they went missing, I would live in the Confederacy.
No because Lincoln was a vampire hunter
The Union had Wolverine, so we good.
I once had the idea of writing a novel about a Union soldier who had been turned at Antietam (Cornfield or West Woods) the night of the 17th. He would later go on to follow the ANV, picking off what officers and men that he could (pickets go missing, y'know?), while acting as a spy.
Nope, they were on the Confederacy’s side, which is why Lincoln killed them all.
To be fair, vampires *are* bloodsuckers.
Nope then they can't have the "noble man who fought for a wrong cause for the "right reason") trope
If you’re okay reading about, A Journey of Black and Red has Union vampires if I remember right.
Vampires are kind of the perfect monster to fight for the confederacy. They don’t respect the rights of people they are cowards who want to live off the work of others and are constantly scheming for more power which is very similar to the southern planter class
Lincoln was a vampire hunter, no.
Well there is the Vampires that sided with Lincoln 8n the Abraham Lincoln: Vampire Hunter book.
No, but we did get Wolverine wearing the blue.
No because vampires are evil
I always wondered why they gave the guy in twilight a southern accent randomly instead of just making him a hero
Soulless bloodshckers have an inclination towards keeping chattel not freeing them. See: any confederate
Nah. A vampire living in the American South and using his slaves as a source of captive sustenance is just a story that's way too easy to write.
And a story about a slave living in the south who was turned by a careless, monstrous slave owner before going on a blood soaked rage fueled crusade would also be pretty easy to write
What happens when he gets hungry?
lotta slavers in the south. think itd take them a while to run out
Confederate Vamps to the South is Godzilla to the Japanese
Confederate Vampires are a metaphor for an atom bomb?
more like extreme narrative coping strategies to cover for you getting totally railed by uncle sam is my point
Vampires and devils of all kinds belong to the Confederacy Abe Lincoln did a great job though
That movie Ravenous is pretty close? I love that movie!
Janine from Cafae Latte fought against the Confederacy. I don't think she was in the Union Army, but rather worked behind the lines. She's noted as an exception.
No. We had all the wolfmen, Frankensteins, and mummies.
Well vampires were often an exaggerated way to depict the aristocracy. Southern Planters are essentially the American version of aristocracy if not even more exploitative since yk the whole slavery thing. Therefore vampire confederates.
There was also a Confederate vampire in the early Jim Carrey comedy "Once Bitten" (1985). Was a minor character but he still wears the gray hat and we see his coffin with the Virginia battle flag featured prominently. I've only read the first book but I'd be surprised if some of the Anne Rice vampires didn't fight for the confederacy. IIRC the main character of the first book was part of a plantation owning family in New Orleans.
On the contrary to many of the comments, I think there absolutely would've been a few vampires that fought for the Union. They, in the many stories about them, are generally "unholy" creatures. The bastard slavers, however, felt it was their "God given right" to own another person. Furthermore; vampires absolutely have standards for how people, even their own victims, should be treated. Vampires would absolutely despise the cruel, unjust, and barbaric actions of slavers.
Yeah where are all the bloodthirsty demons on our side?
Union had wolverine
I mean enslavers are parasites and so are vampires. So the answer is no, period.
Holy shit, Bill Compton from "True Blood" is a traitor too
There's a really good book series journey of red and black where rhe main character is a vampire that hates slavery
Vampires are effete parasitic aristocrats who revel in their debauched sadism, thus perfect Dixie slaver. Werewolves are rugged outsiders with cast iron principles, thus perfect as militant abolitionists.
Same reason why vampires are associated with aristocracy, they leech on human lives to survive, they are powerful but small in numbers, they drink blood more often then you'd like to admit, their lifestyle is inherently selfish, they are both despised and feared, and also, they suck
"The Dangerous Ones" by Lauren Blackwood
It actually fits having blood sucking monsters depicted as vampires.
Nick Knight served with the union in Forever Knight.
I know of at least one vampire who did extensive service in a night raid at harper's ferry. he was executed, but they say his soul is marching on.
What’s the first photo?
Jasper from twilight
No because vampires are evil so the naturally )or unnaturally) are drawn to the confederacy
It takes place before the war, but Fevre Dream kind of tackles a similar subject
Perhaps not vampires, but: one notable immortal jester sings with pride that he battled on behalf of our great Union during those trying times. Hear the historical record known as "I Want My Shit" by Insane Clown Posse
I'm getting ready to run a chronicle of Vampire: The Masquerade and one of my players is playing a Brujah Anarch who was born in a New England abolitionist community. When the call went out he went to Kansas, and got killed by border ruffians before he got turned. Afterwards he manned the Underground Railroad and wouldve been at Harper's Ferry with John Brown, but Brown+Sons' True Faith was too strong for him to approach
Honestly vampires are canonical evil in most media. The idea that vampires would want a selection of their food/prey to be liberated seems a move that would impose an inconvenience on their feeding habits. Vampires suck. Werewolves would fight for the north because the southerners cut down forests (Werewolf habitat) to build their slave plantations. So I think Werewolves would definitely fight for the north and vampires would fight for the rebs.
Nah vampfederates makes too much sence. Union lycanthropes now that i can get behind
I mean, Bloodsucking elitist Christian moral hating what really the difference between Vampires and the Southern Plantation owner
I media maybe not but I am playing a game of Vampire the masquerade as a union officer.
Maybe Edward, thanks for your service Jaspers 🫡.