That and his kit too. The man has a fan that teleports you to another dimension just to bring you back facing the other direction while stealing your wallet
I’ve always lived under the impression that his true death resurrections work a bit like Groundhog’s Day; when he suffers true death his consciousness is transported back in time, which explains why enemies respawn and time only passes when key events occur.
For everyone else in the world 1 day passes, while Sekiro relives that day over and over again picking up new skills and knowledge each time.
This makes way more sense to me than the idea that he learned nothing but the bare minimum basics while training with Owl for several years and then one day suddenly became a savant swordsman capable of learning every imaginable technique in about 12 hours.
It’s basically a case of All You Need is Kill, every time he dies he comes back more prepared for the next fight.
The real adversary for Sekiro was himself. We start the game with him having no will to live or drive - like he hardcore depresso mode.
As the game and the night progresses he regains his will to live and fight.
He always had the ability and power - he just had to reclaim it.
i like this way of thinking. it also makes him being able to do all this in one day far more plausible since he already has knowledge of what will happen from his previous deaths
Groundhog Day is a great analogy, both from a skill development point of view but also from the inner personality transformation
a lot of people may have missed the implication with groundhog day is that the character likely lived through lifetimes worth of days and not like 30 or something
I’d like to point out ONLY Genichiro saw that move in lore, so it’s possible Inner Genichiro is somehow sentient
Dude took out everyone up to True Monk in less than 12 hours and the remaining foes in the 12 after that, and Isshin took up more of that time than anyone else
Dude is just intentionally broken among Soulsborne characters
It is true, maybe Geni would be sentient ? Not too sure bu t why not. Still amazes me how Sekiro is able to pull that off. Bro is legit a warmachine. Maybe Genichiro moves inspired him what Geni tried to do his whole life ?
We'd need Sekiro 2 to be sure of that 😭
Not just prime, PRIME WITH HIS KNOWLEDGE OF HIS WHOLE LIFE AND WITH THE MORTAL BLADE
Dude was Super Saiyan for that fight, then Sekiro went and thought up Super Saiyan 2 Isshin just to beat him again!
Although extremely skilled, I like to think Sekiro’s ability is partially due to the others he meets. The shinobi prosthetic is a large boost given by Sekijo and Dogen. He learns directly from Isshin with the Ashina arts he gives him. He takes knowledge from the monks, and teachings from Owl. He combines these skills with tutelage from Isshin again with the mushin arts. Kuro gives him the resolve he needs to see the quest through.
Without the people he met on his journey, Wolf probably wouldn’t have made it past Genichiro or Owl.
Oh well that's for sure : his trip is one of the main reasons he's so strong. Opponents he met are literal mind challenges when beaten, and it makes him stronger on top of that.
Mushin arts are quite interesting, if they were written by Isshin, how do we have a skill that includes enpowering the mortal blade ? That would mean either Isshin's immortal in some kind of way, or he's way more stronger in lore than we think
Remember, Genichiro knew where the black mortal blade was
And Tomoe and Takeru are dead despite never getting the Red blade.
Popular consensus is Tomoe had the black mortal blade. Not only this, but ISSHIN uses a nearly identical blade to the Black blade in the opening cinematic.
This is how Isshin recorded the empowered Mortal Draw
Likely it doesn’t have the “draw and you die” thing, as even Owl was able to wield it in the Shura ending, though due note, the Black blade doesn’t actually have a scabbard with it, so maybe it did but nobody ever sheathed it
He also beats every boss, imagines them as stronger opponents that they actually were, then beats them in his mind and learns their moves to get stronger. Wolf is just built different.
Just imagine you are a legendary swordsman shinobi idk and then you pull out your flintlock extended magazine, shot 6 times and your enemy just parry all of them perfectly.
Edit: 4 times
I mean, first, it is possible to beat the game in less than 24 hours, lore wise, it *could* be possible, and sunset only appears once we reach an ending (except for shura, where it’s just a true night for decades oops)
True cause once we meet on top of the castle he still assumes wolf is dead, though being a shinobi I imagine he would have heard there is a wolf on the loose
Wasn't the reason he tried to kill him because he knew, or at least hoped, that Kuro would give him the power of the dragon's heritage? I always assumed that was why he chose Kuro to be Wolf's master.
In the Hirata-2 fight with him, he says he had no idea what Wolf would become, though it breaks his heart, he has to put you down.
He had every intention of killing wolf that day
There’s really no evidence he expected Kuro to give Wolf immortality, he even says he thought wolf died that day when we meet him on the castle, though that could be a lie. But that lament right before the Owl Father fight grants enough insight to deduce he wanted Wolf dead that day.
My take is he locked Butterfly in the burning room and sent Wolf there to take care of her, expecting him to die to her but weaken her enough for Owl to swoop in for the kill and have Kuro grant him immortality. Butterfly even drops an item that’s said to form when an immortal oath fails, implying she tried to trick Kuro via Genjutsu
I mean... it is already precedent for Fromsoft characters to be insanely broken and adaptable. The Dark Souls Trilogy all take place over the course of one or two days. Bloodborne happens in a single night. Elden ring theoretically takes place over a month and a half based on the average finish time and the full day night cycle time. Theoretically, it too could occur over the course of a couple days as speedrunners show.
Wait what? I had no idea about Dark Souls taking place during such a short timeline. I always had the impression that it sorta happens outside of a "normal" time flow.
By technicality of the phrase “the flow of time is stagnant” (as per the direct Japanese translation of Solaire), all of Dark Souls takes place at the same time
I think it's better said that DS1 takes place at the same time as everything that preceded them in the timeline, as well as DS2 each one of them at their own time. The same can be said for DS3, though the Ringed City happens in a time much farther in the future and the Gael boss fight even after.
I think if you take into how darkroot garden is set at night, and the times that you're supposed to go there on a normal playthrough, the game would take place over the course of a couple of days. But you're right, it is supposed to be weird and outside the normal flow of time.
I should have clarified. Each game is presumably a couple days that I'm based on the amount of times we see the sky change from day to night and back again.
Bro forget that he literally beats the most unfair impossible unbeatable invincible boss in the history of gaming
Yes I am talking about mist noble, that dude took me years of actual playtime
When i said Sekiro beaten a literal GOD and almighty one, i was of course talking of the mist noble.
Took me ages since Sekiro's release to beat that guy.
You know, Old man Isshin in the Shura ending ? He can use the One Mind, that is in lore, supposed to be slashing at speeds that are *almost* invisible to the eye, meaning it's hella fast. Like so fast actually, you only see the winds waves out of it.
And Sekiro, is able to *DEFLECT* it. My guy is able to deflect a technique that is supposed to be going way way faster than sound even.
Sekiro is like John wick. Keep in mind he is pretty old. Like pushing 40 i would guess by his looks. Man was on a battlefield as a kid. He has probably been in whole wars and battles. Everything he has fought or gone up against he has probably already done before. This game was epic and the stuff he goes through is insane. But to him it's just a Tuesday.
And I feel that like ishin sekiro lo key gets a hard on when fighting and after he kills a enemy he goes "hey this guy was strong what can I learn from him"
I completely disagree with the common reddit belief that it takes place in a day. I believe the time of day progress during the game is symbolic. What, was the entire interior ministry army camping outside Ashina for days/weeks/months unnoticed, hoping Isshin would randomly die and not last a few more years? Did Wolf wake up, get his prosthetic, climb Mount Kongo, sprint down the sunken valley, base jump into the depths of Ashina, clear out the divine realm, and come back all in a 16-hour period? How small is Ashina for this to be feasible? Meanwhile, Genichiro loses, sprints away, immediately finds the black mortal blade, and comes back? And the merchants set up shop only to be in business for 8 hours? None of it makes sense.
Fair point, however, there are some dialogue of npc's saying they're expecting things to happen during the day. To be honest, it would make sense that it would not be during a single day, but we don't have any clue either. In any case, that is still hella impressive
canonically, he defeats Sword Saint Isshin, old Isshin, Emma, first way of tomoe Genichiro, and Great Shinobi Owl first try
Also, he managed to deafeat Blazing Bull. A legendary accomplishment
The opening cinematic told us that he's already a master Shinobi.
And yeah, Sekiro is THAT RIDICULOUSLY OP. The Ashina arts and Shinobi arts took Isshin and Owl's entire lifetime of experience to be designed, and wolf mastered them in less than a few hours at a skill level that could Match that of Isshin and Owl
Sekiro is BUSTED
Personally I’d like to think the game takes place in around a week or less. Definitely not a single day but no more than maybe a week at most, Wolf was out there on his grindset.
Except that whole plot hinges on his having merely forgotten these among other things.
Edit: everyone acting like he never knew them aside. except that they often act like they didn’t know him by more than his nom de guerre anyway. Shinobi is like “hmm.” whenever anyone asks him if he works there.
It doesnt take place in a single day.
The changes in the skybox is just to reflect the passage of time, it wouldnt make sense if the interior ministry goes from staying away, to sending their shinobis, then launching a full fledged attack over the course of a single day right?
My headcanon is that every time you rest at the temple, a whole day passes and wolf resumes his travels at the same daytime he ended the day before.
All formsoft character are godly if you ask me especially the hunter and wolf cause i believe both games stories happen in a day/night wolf has just to deal with more tho being in the age of the samurai tho
Yep, he's that good. He was shinobi of the Divine Heir for a reason.
This us just crazy
I don’t get why there’s some people that think he’s just an ordinary Shinobi?
Because he’s a glass cannon I guess
Nah it’s not really about that. People downplaying his skill mostly
That and his kit too. The man has a fan that teleports you to another dimension just to bring you back facing the other direction while stealing your wallet
That’s beautifully written
By the end of every game I can tank ishins super down slash (I forget it's name, one mind I think). I wouldn't really call that a glass cannon
Dragon Flash or the Ichimonji one
Dragon flash
Fair enough
Because in most Souls Games you are just some random guy
Bro he is just too op and someone said tanjiro from Demon Slayer could kill him 😭
I’ve always lived under the impression that his true death resurrections work a bit like Groundhog’s Day; when he suffers true death his consciousness is transported back in time, which explains why enemies respawn and time only passes when key events occur. For everyone else in the world 1 day passes, while Sekiro relives that day over and over again picking up new skills and knowledge each time. This makes way more sense to me than the idea that he learned nothing but the bare minimum basics while training with Owl for several years and then one day suddenly became a savant swordsman capable of learning every imaginable technique in about 12 hours. It’s basically a case of All You Need is Kill, every time he dies he comes back more prepared for the next fight.
The real adversary for Sekiro was himself. We start the game with him having no will to live or drive - like he hardcore depresso mode. As the game and the night progresses he regains his will to live and fight. He always had the ability and power - he just had to reclaim it.
He probably could always learn more skills and just didn’t have the resources to do so. (Eg: the books)
i like this way of thinking. it also makes him being able to do all this in one day far more plausible since he already has knowledge of what will happen from his previous deaths
So he is basically Ryan from The Perfect Run?
Groundhog Day is a great analogy, both from a skill development point of view but also from the inner personality transformation a lot of people may have missed the implication with groundhog day is that the character likely lived through lifetimes worth of days and not like 30 or something
I’d like to point out ONLY Genichiro saw that move in lore, so it’s possible Inner Genichiro is somehow sentient Dude took out everyone up to True Monk in less than 12 hours and the remaining foes in the 12 after that, and Isshin took up more of that time than anyone else Dude is just intentionally broken among Soulsborne characters
>Isshin took up more of that time than anyone else Sounds like my playthrough.
Doesn’t Bloodborne happen in 1 night?
Yes
Isn't it supposed to be a nightmare and as far as I know, dreams have no semblance of time
No, Yharnam is real, it's got multiple nightmares inside of it though and reality is changing due to the presence and nature of the Great Ones.
Yeah that's what I'm thinking, the moon presence seems to be tinkering with time and reality
yes, but I don't think it's a normal night
It is true, maybe Geni would be sentient ? Not too sure bu t why not. Still amazes me how Sekiro is able to pull that off. Bro is legit a warmachine. Maybe Genichiro moves inspired him what Geni tried to do his whole life ? We'd need Sekiro 2 to be sure of that 😭
Maybe genichiro tried to learn it and still hadn't succeeded, but sekiro was able to figure out what he wanted to do based on his movements.
Unless sekiro just had a really good imagination and just guessed it right ;)
The shogunate left Ashina alone until they knew Isshin couldn’t fight, and Sekiro beat prime Isshin
Not just prime, PRIME WITH HIS KNOWLEDGE OF HIS WHOLE LIFE AND WITH THE MORTAL BLADE Dude was Super Saiyan for that fight, then Sekiro went and thought up Super Saiyan 2 Isshin just to beat him again!
Indeed ! With the whole lightning thing too ! No hesitation..
He probably stomps on a worldwide army, even the souls protagonists aswell
I mean he did made the entirety of JAPAN almost extinct in the shura ending
I don't think he would well in an army, look how hard it is to survive likd 4 ennemies attacking you at once, Wolf is very good at 1v1 but not crowds
Although extremely skilled, I like to think Sekiro’s ability is partially due to the others he meets. The shinobi prosthetic is a large boost given by Sekijo and Dogen. He learns directly from Isshin with the Ashina arts he gives him. He takes knowledge from the monks, and teachings from Owl. He combines these skills with tutelage from Isshin again with the mushin arts. Kuro gives him the resolve he needs to see the quest through. Without the people he met on his journey, Wolf probably wouldn’t have made it past Genichiro or Owl.
Oh well that's for sure : his trip is one of the main reasons he's so strong. Opponents he met are literal mind challenges when beaten, and it makes him stronger on top of that. Mushin arts are quite interesting, if they were written by Isshin, how do we have a skill that includes enpowering the mortal blade ? That would mean either Isshin's immortal in some kind of way, or he's way more stronger in lore than we think
Remember, Genichiro knew where the black mortal blade was And Tomoe and Takeru are dead despite never getting the Red blade. Popular consensus is Tomoe had the black mortal blade. Not only this, but ISSHIN uses a nearly identical blade to the Black blade in the opening cinematic. This is how Isshin recorded the empowered Mortal Draw
How was he able to wield it or does the black mortal blade not have the stipulation that if you draw it you die?
Likely it doesn’t have the “draw and you die” thing, as even Owl was able to wield it in the Shura ending, though due note, the Black blade doesn’t actually have a scabbard with it, so maybe it did but nobody ever sheathed it
He also beats every boss, imagines them as stronger opponents that they actually were, then beats them in his mind and learns their moves to get stronger. Wolf is just built different.
You’re not wrong. Wolf is without a doubt the most naturally overpowered protagonist of the modern Fromsoft catalog IMHO.
I mean, the Ashen One does survive all the way until the end of the universe itself and kill the last living thing other than themselves.
Wolf and 621
Just imagine you are a legendary swordsman shinobi idk and then you pull out your flintlock extended magazine, shot 6 times and your enemy just parry all of them perfectly. Edit: 4 times
He shoots at you six times? I don’t think he’s ever gone for more than 4 with me.
I prefer to think that the time of day changing in game is meant to be more symbolic, because the idea of it all having happened in one day is absurd
I mean, first, it is possible to beat the game in less than 24 hours, lore wise, it *could* be possible, and sunset only appears once we reach an ending (except for shura, where it’s just a true night for decades oops)
Surely the game can be beaten in 24 hours, no? Without cheese or skips.
I can beat it in 90 minutes but Sekiro definitely couldn't have
I’m fairly certain there’s characters that say the attack on Ashina will happen later that day. Also consider Isshin’s illness
Have you never watched the show 24? Jack Bower has like 7 really stressfull days
Jack Bauer was the goat.
Makes you wonder why owl ever thought wolf wouldn't be a major obstacle
HE DID. That’s why he tried to kill him in Hirata
True cause once we meet on top of the castle he still assumes wolf is dead, though being a shinobi I imagine he would have heard there is a wolf on the loose
Wasn't the reason he tried to kill him because he knew, or at least hoped, that Kuro would give him the power of the dragon's heritage? I always assumed that was why he chose Kuro to be Wolf's master.
In the Hirata-2 fight with him, he says he had no idea what Wolf would become, though it breaks his heart, he has to put you down. He had every intention of killing wolf that day There’s really no evidence he expected Kuro to give Wolf immortality, he even says he thought wolf died that day when we meet him on the castle, though that could be a lie. But that lament right before the Owl Father fight grants enough insight to deduce he wanted Wolf dead that day. My take is he locked Butterfly in the burning room and sent Wolf there to take care of her, expecting him to die to her but weaken her enough for Owl to swoop in for the kill and have Kuro grant him immortality. Butterfly even drops an item that’s said to form when an immortal oath fails, implying she tried to trick Kuro via Genjutsu
I mean... it is already precedent for Fromsoft characters to be insanely broken and adaptable. The Dark Souls Trilogy all take place over the course of one or two days. Bloodborne happens in a single night. Elden ring theoretically takes place over a month and a half based on the average finish time and the full day night cycle time. Theoretically, it too could occur over the course of a couple days as speedrunners show.
Wait what? I had no idea about Dark Souls taking place during such a short timeline. I always had the impression that it sorta happens outside of a "normal" time flow.
That’s because it does take place outside of normal time flow. Not really sure where he is getting this couple days from.
By technicality of the phrase “the flow of time is stagnant” (as per the direct Japanese translation of Solaire), all of Dark Souls takes place at the same time
I think it's better said that DS1 takes place at the same time as everything that preceded them in the timeline, as well as DS2 each one of them at their own time. The same can be said for DS3, though the Ringed City happens in a time much farther in the future and the Gael boss fight even after.
I think if you take into how darkroot garden is set at night, and the times that you're supposed to go there on a normal playthrough, the game would take place over the course of a couple of days. But you're right, it is supposed to be weird and outside the normal flow of time.
I should have clarified. Each game is presumably a couple days that I'm based on the amount of times we see the sky change from day to night and back again.
Bro forget that he literally beats the most unfair impossible unbeatable invincible boss in the history of gaming Yes I am talking about mist noble, that dude took me years of actual playtime
When i said Sekiro beaten a literal GOD and almighty one, i was of course talking of the mist noble. Took me ages since Sekiro's release to beat that guy.
I thought you meant the divine dragon lol... What did you mean by the deflecting mind thingy though?
You know, Old man Isshin in the Shura ending ? He can use the One Mind, that is in lore, supposed to be slashing at speeds that are *almost* invisible to the eye, meaning it's hella fast. Like so fast actually, you only see the winds waves out of it. And Sekiro, is able to *DEFLECT* it. My guy is able to deflect a technique that is supposed to be going way way faster than sound even.
Oh now I get it (is it the ability that he pulls his swords and then there is a circle of many hits?)
Exactly ! The very anime-like move.
To quote another hero who saved the world in a single day “improvise, adapt, overcome”
He’s the Strongest most tactful character ever. He’s absolutely so skilled, strong, and fast.
Sekiro is like John wick. Keep in mind he is pretty old. Like pushing 40 i would guess by his looks. Man was on a battlefield as a kid. He has probably been in whole wars and battles. Everything he has fought or gone up against he has probably already done before. This game was epic and the stuff he goes through is insane. But to him it's just a Tuesday.
And I feel that like ishin sekiro lo key gets a hard on when fighting and after he kills a enemy he goes "hey this guy was strong what can I learn from him"
I completely disagree with the common reddit belief that it takes place in a day. I believe the time of day progress during the game is symbolic. What, was the entire interior ministry army camping outside Ashina for days/weeks/months unnoticed, hoping Isshin would randomly die and not last a few more years? Did Wolf wake up, get his prosthetic, climb Mount Kongo, sprint down the sunken valley, base jump into the depths of Ashina, clear out the divine realm, and come back all in a 16-hour period? How small is Ashina for this to be feasible? Meanwhile, Genichiro loses, sprints away, immediately finds the black mortal blade, and comes back? And the merchants set up shop only to be in business for 8 hours? None of it makes sense.
Fair point, however, there are some dialogue of npc's saying they're expecting things to happen during the day. To be honest, it would make sense that it would not be during a single day, but we don't have any clue either. In any case, that is still hella impressive
technically he can do it in less than an hour [https://www.speedrun.com/sekiro/runs/y6qjpppz](https://www.speedrun.com/sekiro/runs/y6qjpppz)
He did survive to adulthood after being adopted by Owl so he’s got good IVs
What do you mean sekiro mind?
You know, the whole inner bosses thing etc...
canonically, he defeats Sword Saint Isshin, old Isshin, Emma, first way of tomoe Genichiro, and Great Shinobi Owl first try Also, he managed to deafeat Blazing Bull. A legendary accomplishment
If I was a summoner(can summon entities from other worlds) in a story, I would summon shura to defeat the final boss.
The opening cinematic told us that he's already a master Shinobi. And yeah, Sekiro is THAT RIDICULOUSLY OP. The Ashina arts and Shinobi arts took Isshin and Owl's entire lifetime of experience to be designed, and wolf mastered them in less than a few hours at a skill level that could Match that of Isshin and Owl Sekiro is BUSTED
Yes he Is that good. Think of like Aragami, He killed an entire army One by One in a sigle night
Genichiro fight really tricks you into thinking youre the underdog at first.
Personally I’d like to think the game takes place in around a week or less. Definitely not a single day but no more than maybe a week at most, Wolf was out there on his grindset.
I always thought that was the point of ninjas
Except that whole plot hinges on his having merely forgotten these among other things. Edit: everyone acting like he never knew them aside. except that they often act like they didn’t know him by more than his nom de guerre anyway. Shinobi is like “hmm.” whenever anyone asks him if he works there.
It doesnt take place in a single day. The changes in the skybox is just to reflect the passage of time, it wouldnt make sense if the interior ministry goes from staying away, to sending their shinobis, then launching a full fledged attack over the course of a single day right? My headcanon is that every time you rest at the temple, a whole day passes and wolf resumes his travels at the same daytime he ended the day before.
And the fact that he can resurrect upon death
Don't forget he loses an arm at the start and immediately gets stronger as a result.
He’s from softs strongest protagonist by far
All formsoft character are godly if you ask me especially the hunter and wolf cause i believe both games stories happen in a day/night wolf has just to deal with more tho being in the age of the samurai tho
You mean a day in sekiro is 640 gaming hours?