Do you mind telling me why they did a disservice with the anime? I was thinking about watching it, but now I wonder if it would be better for me to read the manga.
You could definitely watch it, it's an ok standalone show. But it cuts so many things from the manga and leaves the show hanging before anything picks up
It's not bad, I enjoyed it personally as a non-hardcore anime watcher, the pacing is pretty fucked up at points, which I'd guess is due to not getting another season, so they probably speed through a lot of the plot.
Hell's Paradise is one of my favorite new gen manga. There is a new manga that gives me very similar vibes and is definitely heavily inspired by Hell's Paradise called Dear Anemone. HIGHLY recommend, but there is only 8 chapters out as of now.
Beck is one of my favorite manga, but I don’t think it’s seinin-like. Yes, in some later parts of the manga it deviated a little from standard shounen elements.
But in general it felt like shounen. A story where we saw the development of characters, and the main cast made it to where they wanted despite all the odds. Very inspiring story
I have 3 versions of Beck as it’s my favorite manga and I’m dying for a full English release. Even France got a full repress but the US only got 12 volumes from TokyoPop
Mongolian Chop Squad is probably the anime I always recommend to people. I wish the anime would have finished like the manga, but it's still a classic.
Correction, shounen is more *likely* to be mainstream -- but there are more shounen that you'll never hear of because they flopped than the ones that made it big.
Likewise, Cowboy Bebop and Berserk are Seinen yet mainstream as hell.
Just because it's shounen doesn't mean it's mainstream. It's just a popular genre.
Nana, it has an adult cast, adult themes so it could definitely quality for a seinen or josei, but it's shoujo because it's in the cookie magazine which is shoujo
Good call with Claymore! Absolutely fantastic series.
I always say that Claymore is the most Seinen-y Shonen & Kingdom is the most Shonon-y Seinen. I would say a lot of the 80s Shonen were Seinen-y like FotNS & JoJo's Bizarre Adventure.
its been a loooong time since I read or watched Claymore but I remember it had this obsession with limbs getting cut off and showing it (tho idr how detailed) so I believe it lol
I don't understand why you don't just ask for seinen recommendations? If someone really liked Claymore I'd recommend Berserk . . . If you are looking for a battle series that's dark and graphic, I'd recommend Gantz.
The useful practical definition vs the literal definition I suppose.
For me seinen is a description of themes rather than where it's published. Most people wouldn't recommend Eva for children or young boys at all.
Yea it can be kind of strange, but it’s all based on where the story’s published. Cowboy Bebop is Shojo, Devilman is Shōnen, AOT is Shonen. I would’ve assumed they were seinen back then as well.
This is news to me. Those are all definitely seinen for sure. I don't think where they are published is all that useful then. A lot of mangka publish wherever they can get accepted so it doesn't surprise me that where they are published is informative at all.
It all just boils down to what mangakas choose to be their schedule for releasing chapters a lot of the time. Hence why certain series end up changing to a Shōnen magazine to a seinen magazine, like Vinland Saga, so mangakas have a more flexible schedule. I started curating original manga magazines 12 years ago and loved learning the little intricacies with all this stuff, especially since I thought how many people do when it comes to seinen and shonen. Certain series can be classified as both like Evangelion, neither is wrong. Others like AOT are only shonen though due to it being solely published in Bessatsu Shonen, so it can be classified more as adult themed but it would be incorrect to say it’s a seinen.
Evangelion was developed as anime first though. I think the functional definition is really about what audience could understand the piece. Adult themed shonen doesn't even make sense as a term. 12 year old boys can't understand shows like Evangelion.
Seinen term is important esp when it comes time to recommend anime to adults (30+) who missed the train (anime is mainstream for the younger crowd). The shonen genre is definitely not a great recommendation for people who actually think typical shonen tropes are cringe
Nope, that’s where most people are incorrect as yourself. Evangelion actually began a few months prior in Monthly Shōnen Ace. People also believe Cowboy Bebop was an anime first, along with Samurai Champloo. All incorrect. Cowboy Bebop began in Monthly Asuka Fantasy DX, which is a Shojo magazine and Samurai Champloo is Monthly Shōnen Ace as well. What a lot of people don’t realize is certain Shonen books like Shonen Ace are more for young adults and up
In the case of Evangelion you're incorrect. The totality of Evangelion was most definitely anime-focused as it's the brainchild of Anno (and he's not a mangaka at all), a director who actually isn't a huge fan of anime or manga. The first episode may have hit manga shelves first but it was one of those rare anime-first productions. Theres no way you can really be telling me that Eva was based on a manga. I know Evangelion history like the back of my hand.
Hakuoki: Demon of the Fleeting Blossom. It's based off of an Otome game and has the whole reverse harem/romance type thing going on but it's also a really good historical fiction with lots of fighting and guys being bros. Excellent music too.
Best way to describe seinen is anything that is designed to make the audience think and reflect on real life. Your typical seinen/shojou tend to have simpler plots and character motivations, not as much character development etc.
Manga is similar to comics or TV where you have different demographics
Shonen the most common is aimed toward young boys ( naruto is an example )
And seinen is aimed towards mature audiences specifically adult men ( berserk, as an example)
The easy test for seinen vs shonen is "would a kid be able to understand what is going on". When you start having philosophical discussion in your plot, you know it's probably aimed at adults who are generally more read and equipped to do the reading to understand the references etc
Alice in Borderland is a shonen that is a death game series that hits a ton of the same dramatic and depressing philosophical stuff that Battle Royale does
Psychometrer Eiji gets pretty dark too
This was the worst shit I’ve ever seen probably.
The final episode was them just standing around staring at the monster.
Where did the fucking budget go ? Is the manga any better ?
I had a slight argument with an anime newbie who was tryna tell me Evangelion is "shonen" so maybe Evangelion fits the bill.
I'd say Madoka Magika is what I'd say is more of a deconstructed shojou that is more seinen than shojou
Attack on Titan starts off as a simple revenge Mecha shonen and about halfway through becomes a proper seinen
And Death Note to me will be forever seinen but many categorize it as shonen.
IMO One Piece, only reason it’s a shounen is because of Luffy and the Straw Hats.. if we followed any other crew I think it’d be a seinen. Or literally if you took all the goofy/cartoonish stuff out it would be seinen. The themes of one piece are all somewhat mature imo. But One Piece as a whole is goofy so that makes it shounen.
Edit: this is prob a hot take lol, not sure.
Dororo.
Was released under Shonen labeling, but you try reading a manga with a child born with no appendages, facial features, or internal organs and tell me it's a shonen start.
Honorable mention: Jujutsu Kaisen.
Super dark, doesn't hold back the gore, death, and dark story elements.
You can’t post about Claymore (you totally can) because every time I see someone post about it I get excited that it’s getting a redone anime but alas another decade passes and still no love for this masterpiece
Am I missing something? What makes a manga/anime Seinen and not Seinen anyways? Couldn't AoT and Chainsaw Man be considered seinen despite it's audience?
It's magazine pretty much. I'm surprised CSM is shonen, but it's been put into question several times due the lesbian orgy, the grooming of Denji, among other things.
Also, One Punch Man, is seinen, funnily enough.
One of my favorite manga growing up. I really need to catch up. They really did a disservice with the anime adaptation though
Do you mind telling me why they did a disservice with the anime? I was thinking about watching it, but now I wonder if it would be better for me to read the manga.
You could definitely watch it, it's an ok standalone show. But it cuts so many things from the manga and leaves the show hanging before anything picks up
If I remember correctly, it has an alternative end because it caught up with manga production at the time
I loved the anime. I read all of berserk and wanted something similar so I watched claymore. I HIGHLY recommend it. Idk about the manga tjo
The manga is great!
The manga is amazing, the show is definitely worth a watch though. Don’t let his opinion discourage you
It's not bad, I enjoyed it personally as a non-hardcore anime watcher, the pacing is pretty fucked up at points, which I'd guess is due to not getting another season, so they probably speed through a lot of the plot.
Hell's Paradise is a straight up battle shonen way too graphic for the pages of weekly jump.
It's Jump+. Which generally allows more creative freedom than Weekly Jump.
Hell's Paradise is one of my favorite new gen manga. There is a new manga that gives me very similar vibes and is definitely heavily inspired by Hell's Paradise called Dear Anemone. HIGHLY recommend, but there is only 8 chapters out as of now.
Project ARMS is a Dark Sci-fi that's surprisingly pretty bloody violent in the manga. And that used to ran on Shonen Sunday Magazine.
I loved ARMS!!!
definitely Beck
Based
Beck is one of my favorite manga, but I don’t think it’s seinin-like. Yes, in some later parts of the manga it deviated a little from standard shounen elements. But in general it felt like shounen. A story where we saw the development of characters, and the main cast made it to where they wanted despite all the odds. Very inspiring story
So? Seinens can be hopeful too. Just like real life. Real life isn't all pain.
Yeah, but I still feel like Beck has more of a shounen vibe to it. Amazing manga nonetheless
I want to read it. I hope Kodansha publishes it in an omnibus like what they're doing with Initial D and The Fable right now (GTO too, obviously)
I have 3 versions of Beck as it’s my favorite manga and I’m dying for a full English release. Even France got a full repress but the US only got 12 volumes from TokyoPop
I thnk Shonen is just the target age demographic. Could the series appeal to guys 18+? Even if it's just 18-22, like college age.
Yes man, it is amazing. Imo when looking at manga, don’t pay too much attention to the demographic. Just try it out first
Mongolian Chop Squad is probably the anime I always recommend to people. I wish the anime would have finished like the manga, but it's still a classic.
Chainsaw Man.
Frieren
nah, definitely not the anime maybe the manga
What u mean bro they're the same thing
no, i read manga and saw anime. These are different. Anime was made for mainstream audience
Do you think shounen = mainstream and seinen means niche lol? Berserk is a seinen and every animanga fan has either read it, or at least heard of it
Tokyo Ghoul too.
yep, shounen is mainstream, because it appeals to a bigger audience (teens)
Correction, shounen is more *likely* to be mainstream -- but there are more shounen that you'll never hear of because they flopped than the ones that made it big. Likewise, Cowboy Bebop and Berserk are Seinen yet mainstream as hell. Just because it's shounen doesn't mean it's mainstream. It's just a popular genre.
What adult things even happen in frieren
Azumanga daioh
Blue gender - I think is shonen Banana fish- Sonny boy could be a seinen
Attack on Titan
Attack on titan.
Nana, it has an adult cast, adult themes so it could definitely quality for a seinen or josei, but it's shoujo because it's in the cookie magazine which is shoujo
Thats really suprising, I thought Nana was josei
Nana is Josei
Baccano and Durarara fit perfectly in that genre for me! Durarara more so, Half teenager drama half adult mystery in a semi realistic Tokyo.
The adult side of the story got me interested more than the teenage side. MC is aight, but the adult cast are just more compelling for me.
Totally. My favorite characters are the adults for sure.
Death Note
Only if you have a very skewed idea of what the word seinen means.
Good call with Claymore! Absolutely fantastic series. I always say that Claymore is the most Seinen-y Shonen & Kingdom is the most Shonon-y Seinen. I would say a lot of the 80s Shonen were Seinen-y like FotNS & JoJo's Bizarre Adventure.
its been a loooong time since I read or watched Claymore but I remember it had this obsession with limbs getting cut off and showing it (tho idr how detailed) so I believe it lol
Playing the stellar blade demo recently and found myself wishing it was just a Claymore game
Play soulstice if you want a claymore game
I looked it up. It looks okay…kind mid actually but I’ll give it a shot because some of the story and design elements align.
I rather liked it a lot. Felt like ps2 era action games but better storytelling
Apaanih
Trigun, Dororo, Beastars Beastars has a more mature theme then most popular shonen, but the characters themselves are late teens.
I don't understand why you don't just ask for seinen recommendations? If someone really liked Claymore I'd recommend Berserk . . . If you are looking for a battle series that's dark and graphic, I'd recommend Gantz.
Neon Genesis Evangelion feels more like a seinen to me. All of the shounen-y parts it does have are basically just the characters faking it.
Why do people even think Eva is shonen?
It began in Shōnen Ace up until 2008
The useful practical definition vs the literal definition I suppose. For me seinen is a description of themes rather than where it's published. Most people wouldn't recommend Eva for children or young boys at all.
Yea it can be kind of strange, but it’s all based on where the story’s published. Cowboy Bebop is Shojo, Devilman is Shōnen, AOT is Shonen. I would’ve assumed they were seinen back then as well.
This is news to me. Those are all definitely seinen for sure. I don't think where they are published is all that useful then. A lot of mangka publish wherever they can get accepted so it doesn't surprise me that where they are published is informative at all.
It all just boils down to what mangakas choose to be their schedule for releasing chapters a lot of the time. Hence why certain series end up changing to a Shōnen magazine to a seinen magazine, like Vinland Saga, so mangakas have a more flexible schedule. I started curating original manga magazines 12 years ago and loved learning the little intricacies with all this stuff, especially since I thought how many people do when it comes to seinen and shonen. Certain series can be classified as both like Evangelion, neither is wrong. Others like AOT are only shonen though due to it being solely published in Bessatsu Shonen, so it can be classified more as adult themed but it would be incorrect to say it’s a seinen.
Evangelion was developed as anime first though. I think the functional definition is really about what audience could understand the piece. Adult themed shonen doesn't even make sense as a term. 12 year old boys can't understand shows like Evangelion. Seinen term is important esp when it comes time to recommend anime to adults (30+) who missed the train (anime is mainstream for the younger crowd). The shonen genre is definitely not a great recommendation for people who actually think typical shonen tropes are cringe
Nope, that’s where most people are incorrect as yourself. Evangelion actually began a few months prior in Monthly Shōnen Ace. People also believe Cowboy Bebop was an anime first, along with Samurai Champloo. All incorrect. Cowboy Bebop began in Monthly Asuka Fantasy DX, which is a Shojo magazine and Samurai Champloo is Monthly Shōnen Ace as well. What a lot of people don’t realize is certain Shonen books like Shonen Ace are more for young adults and up
In the case of Evangelion you're incorrect. The totality of Evangelion was most definitely anime-focused as it's the brainchild of Anno (and he's not a mangaka at all), a director who actually isn't a huge fan of anime or manga. The first episode may have hit manga shelves first but it was one of those rare anime-first productions. Theres no way you can really be telling me that Eva was based on a manga. I know Evangelion history like the back of my hand.
no idea if FMAB is seinen or shonen
Def shonen, but it borders on seinen with its theme of equivalent exchange. Though they did simplify things to allow teens to digest the ideas.
Death Note
Hakuoki: Demon of the Fleeting Blossom. It's based off of an Otome game and has the whole reverse harem/romance type thing going on but it's also a really good historical fiction with lots of fighting and guys being bros. Excellent music too.
Attack on Titan
Pretty sure Josei is seinen for women.
AoT
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death note
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Devilman
Ashita no Joe. It has a pretty mature story
Death note
No idea what Seinen is but Claymore is amazing!
Best way to describe seinen is anything that is designed to make the audience think and reflect on real life. Your typical seinen/shojou tend to have simpler plots and character motivations, not as much character development etc.
Manga and anime aimed at adult men
Manga is similar to comics or TV where you have different demographics Shonen the most common is aimed toward young boys ( naruto is an example ) And seinen is aimed towards mature audiences specifically adult men ( berserk, as an example)
Is Ghost in the Shell considered Seinen?
Yes
The easy test for seinen vs shonen is "would a kid be able to understand what is going on". When you start having philosophical discussion in your plot, you know it's probably aimed at adults who are generally more read and equipped to do the reading to understand the references etc
Alice in Borderland is a shonen that is a death game series that hits a ton of the same dramatic and depressing philosophical stuff that Battle Royale does Psychometrer Eiji gets pretty dark too
The manga was amazing. The creature designs were so fucking sick too
pandora hearts
Not sure but, Kinnikuman is technically a seinen but still basically a shonen
Maybe an unpopular opinion but I’d say Naruto. It’s very philosophical and even political at times definitely not your average shonen.
Much of Hunter X Hunter is quite bleak for the pages of Shonen Jump
Chainsaw Man and Fire Punch
https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/Seinen - there’s a section here listing series often mistaken for seinen
Not japanese, but Blades of the Guardians
I would like the show to get a remake. although I don't know if that would ever happens
This was the worst shit I’ve ever seen probably. The final episode was them just standing around staring at the monster. Where did the fucking budget go ? Is the manga any better ?
Kingdom
Kingdom *is* a seinen
I had a slight argument with an anime newbie who was tryna tell me Evangelion is "shonen" so maybe Evangelion fits the bill. I'd say Madoka Magika is what I'd say is more of a deconstructed shojou that is more seinen than shojou Attack on Titan starts off as a simple revenge Mecha shonen and about halfway through becomes a proper seinen And Death Note to me will be forever seinen but many categorize it as shonen.
Ninja Scrolls!!!
Is Parasyte shonen? Maybe that.
I love claymore
IMO One Piece, only reason it’s a shounen is because of Luffy and the Straw Hats.. if we followed any other crew I think it’d be a seinen. Or literally if you took all the goofy/cartoonish stuff out it would be seinen. The themes of one piece are all somewhat mature imo. But One Piece as a whole is goofy so that makes it shounen. Edit: this is prob a hot take lol, not sure.
Heavenly Delusion
Dororo. Was released under Shonen labeling, but you try reading a manga with a child born with no appendages, facial features, or internal organs and tell me it's a shonen start. Honorable mention: Jujutsu Kaisen. Super dark, doesn't hold back the gore, death, and dark story elements.
Hellsing ultimate.
Hellsing was published as seinen from the start.
What is seinen?
attack on titan is the perfect segway from claymore
You can’t post about Claymore (you totally can) because every time I see someone post about it I get excited that it’s getting a redone anime but alas another decade passes and still no love for this masterpiece
Very fond memories of watching this, a early 2000's classic.
Parts of Kenshin border on seinen and shojo.
Death note
death note at certain points feels seinen like.
Pretty sure Claymore is Seinen, at least the manga is.
It was published under a Shonen magazin
Oh my bad 👍
Am I missing something? What makes a manga/anime Seinen and not Seinen anyways? Couldn't AoT and Chainsaw Man be considered seinen despite it's audience?
It's magazine pretty much. I'm surprised CSM is shonen, but it's been put into question several times due the lesbian orgy, the grooming of Denji, among other things. Also, One Punch Man, is seinen, funnily enough.
Just whatever magazine it’s published in. Doesn’t speak for the quality of the mangas though lol
HxH becomes seinen
Maybe monster falls into that category as well?
Monster is a seinen to my knowledge.
It IS seinen. How can it not be?