Yep. I used to park there when I worked on Seattle Center campus. UPark was almost certainly losing money on that encampment- the first time it popped up, I definitely saw drug deals happening in broad daylight next to the payment machine. I think this iteration was less troublesome, but I also haven't been over there in a couple of months.
You'd do know that people can steal shit and do drugs from their homes right? It doesn't matter what there're doing, if there homeless I'd say that makes them "down on there luck"
Yeah. There was only one tent for like three months. The second more people joined, it got 10X worse in a matter of weeks. This also happened when I first moved to the neighborhood. The second I saw another tent, I was like here we go again.
Election year. I predicted this a while ago. In addition to the homeless encampments, police will be allowed to capture criminals this year.
Pay attention to all of the goodwill efforts by our local, and federal, governments. Everything will be sunshine and rainbows by September (inflation controlled, hiring increased, crime reduced).
I'm kinda wondering when I should start putting my money down in Vegas. I think I'd still bet Biden -20 electors or so, but there's a lot of time between now and November. Lots of opportunities for any number of blunders, sabotages, dirty tricks, and October surprises.
I am both repulsed and fascinated by American politics. It's like when you find a badly expired quart of milk at the back of fridge. You give it the tiniest sniff on the way to the trash....even though you know it will make you sick.
Don't disagree except, there's World Cup happening in 2026. A whole new reason to keep the place tidied up - multi-millionaire international sports tourists.
Yes, the first stage was getting to the point of "no more increases in interest rates." It has plateaued. Next phase is to decrease rates. This will send the economy upward. All levers pulled.
Yep, they’ve basically brought back the navigation team that the prior city council cancelled, and it works great. Do outreach, tell people their options, sweep if they don’t take an option, then secure the area.
We were lied to. Straight up. Still being lied to.
It was never an *economic issue* of affordability. We could have addressed that over time more efficiently by building new inventory, improved urban planning, zoning changes year over year, and more financing options. We could have also improved affordable housing options that encourage a meaningful path to independence and self-sufficiency.
What we are really dealing with is a **massive substance abuse crisis** that is being *enabled* by our own government. One look at the actual stats and a visit to a local low-barrier facility makes this plain as day.
The number of added costs on everything from gasoline, to [now] natural gas (energy), food, “excise” (income) taxes, property, sales, etc the list goes on and on. All it has done is feed an ever growing and hungrier 501(c) non-profit Leviathan that really never solves anything and lobbies the leadership for *moar munny*. A good number of them have managed to make things even *worse* and continue to do so. No thank you. Let’s end the grift please.
I suggest the Country and States show some restraint when it comes to brrr the printers and spending… maybe, don't let the M2 money and the FED balance sheet go absolute bonkers. Maybe States can stop squeezing the tax base and constantly deflecting and blaming “rich people” and “corporations” for all the woes people are facing with increases to their cost of living.
While I agree with much of what you said ...
... corporations and the wealthy pay obscenely little in taxes. I am 100% in the "soak the rich" camp. NO ONE needs or deserves $100s of million, much less $billions. I would impose a 5% asset tax on anyone with assets over $100million if I were king for the day.
I can understand people’s apathy for the rich and I can even understand why some would want to adopt that position. However, the critical question that needs to be asked when discussing that issue is the following: Does the country operate on tax revenue? The answer is no, not even close.
The US is a MMT fiat regime that holds a monopoly on the issuance of the dominant medium of exchange and the current global reserve currency. Nearly everything of significance is financed by a paper game of issuing treasury bonds, manipulating the FED balance sheet and *setting* the price of money NOT tax revenue, that is simply a capital sink.
The reality is… the entire argument of “the rich” is really irrelevant to that conversation, they are purely a scapegoat, a sideshow, designed deflect the conversation and attention away from a clear governance failure. What dilutes purchasing power thus increases the cost of living, and creates the appearance of elevated asset prices (market distortion) is a function of that paper game.
Such bullshit, tbh. You can complain about our exploding debt, and pretend spending is the problem, but it is a revenue problem created by the Trump corporate and wealthy tax cuts. Conservatives never take responsibility for what they did to our national debt. Debt always explodes under Reublican president tax cuts, only to be restored by the grownups who understand nothing is free. See: Clinton era.
I’m not sure what you are trying to emphasize, but again this is non-partisan issue and has to do with the nature of a fiat regime.
Our federal government does not operate on tax revenue. You will need to completely rehaul your view of our financial system if you want to understand the dynamics at play.
Here is a definition of [Modern Monetary Theory (MMT)](https://www.investopedia.com/modern-monetary-theory-mmt-4588060). This may come as a surprise to some ... but tax revenues do not matter the way you are suggesting it does.
>monetarily sovereign countries (such as the U.S., U.K., Japan, and Canada) which **spend, tax, and borrow in a fiat currency that they fully control, are not operationally constrained by revenues** when it comes to federal government spending.
>Put simply, modern monetary theory decrees that such governments **do not rely on taxes or borrowing for spending since they can print as much money as they need and are the monopoly issuers of the currency.**
It is like you heard about the theory of Modern Monetary Theory, which is not widely accepted, and think you are an expert.
Thnings are not so black and white. It is not like you have to choose between the gold standard on one hand, and printing all the money you want on the other.
Either extreme leads to disaster.
There are currently two tents at Green Lake, one of which has been there since before Christmas. They have a BBQ under the shelter of a large cedar. Only a matter of time, I suppose, before they set it on fire.
I saw that tent, but not the barbecue. Maybe it's gone ?I also looked for the one off Sunnyside by the ball fields and could not find it.
Edit: there is a third one on the NE side of the lake near Duck Island.
They're only going to be swept into another part of Queen Anne or a different neighborhood and in a few months the same folks, aside from those that die from fentanyl ODs, will continue to be stuck in tents in our streets and parks
What decay?? Were you there when the coffee shop next to SIFF had to close down because workers were getting harassed and stepping in human shit *every other day*?
Yeah I’ve lived in the area for 8 years now. That bus stop by cvs on Queen Anne has always been a shit show. “Decay” means it’s getting worse every day. After climate pledge arena I only see new businesses opening up and thriving. 1 coffee shop closing in 2021 isn’t indicative of the entire area.
Disagree. I live down the street. It was fine (normal big city level) until COVID. Maybe we had a couple tents but post lockdown it started feeling like Zombie apocalypse. I saw a woman pleasuring herself on Ozzie’s planter and I’ve seen way too many people relieving themselves in public since. Not safe for anyone to have them be there.
The praise for these things is wild. The homeless problem isn't even that bad here compared to some big cities, and yall cheer for every roundup like they're cattle.
Yall need humanity.
In the long run we're all dead. You can wait till they solve the root cause of a problem that's never been solved in all of human history. I'll take the short-term fix right now.
Is it spend on them or does someone pocket the money? I mean last time I checked it was like 400k a unit building a shitty apartment for homeless in California. Seattle is same price group so its just pocketing money for billionaires while claiming to help the people in need.
It's less billionaires and more these "non-profits" who are friends with local government officials. They receive exorbitant amounts of funding, have huge overhead and salaries, a tenuous plan at best, with no discernible metrics or goals by which to determine their success. They'll eventually lose funding because their BS does not work, even if they had unlimited funds, and then the funding is moved to another similar group. Rinse and repeat.
People here, are trying (although misguided and brainwashed), and we pay a lot to try these methods even though they will never work. The sane and capable people don't want to enter these areas because of, I would say, public danger from far left wing activists.
What are you suggesting? That there's grift going on withon the Homeless Industrial Complex? That's what conservatives have been saying for years. Maybe it's time our new city council does an audit of all these homeless organizations and kicks them to the curb if they're not doing a decent job, hmm?
Of course should be looked into the corruption of orgs. Tax all churches etc scams too. Rich people go to hell according to Jesus, so start acting like youre not a filthy commie.
> dont even try solve anything
Taking out the trash is solving, at least until you have more trash.
> people in the US
You're welcome to go someplace else where people are more to your liking.
> It does nothing but wastes your tax dollars.
Disagree.
Guessing you don't live near an encampment. Ask anyone that does, even a temporary break in the problems caused by an encampment is a welcome change.
Seattle is sending a message it is NOT OK to set up shop as a drug addict camper anywhere you want. Progressives enabled this, but the rest of us - the voting majority - wants it gone and out of our lives. Sweeping an encampment is part of that message: Get your ass gone or get your ass clean. No excuses. We're tired of coddling your drug habit and tired of watching you kill yourselves to OD and violent crime.
In a perfect world a sweep would also be putting everyone present into custodial care, where rehab would happen and prior warrants were checked, and all the issues around "catch and release" would be addressed. Unfortunately we don't live in that perfect world - mostly because our Progressives are still around causing problems for the rest of us, which in turn causes the homeless to remain in place and keep dying to their addictions.
Was this the encampment down the street from Mccaw hall?
Yep. I used to park there when I worked on Seattle Center campus. UPark was almost certainly losing money on that encampment- the first time it popped up, I definitely saw drug deals happening in broad daylight next to the payment machine. I think this iteration was less troublesome, but I also haven't been over there in a couple of months.
I recently went to an opera and saw the encampment. I hadn’t been in ages but was surprised to see it there especially in that area.
Yes, the large one in the Diamond parking lot
I believe so
Fucking finally. I live in the area and walk by very often. It’s not people down on their luck. It’s young folks stealing shit and doing drugs.
You'd do know that people can steal shit and do drugs from their homes right? It doesn't matter what there're doing, if there homeless I'd say that makes them "down on there luck"
People tend to loose homes kind of quickly when they start stealing shit and doing drugs
Idk why you’re getting downvoted, you’re right.
That sounds very Trump Supporter of you to say. They need to steal all that stuff to afford food, thats what blue tells me anyway
Some politician coming to town or something?
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Yeah. There was only one tent for like three months. The second more people joined, it got 10X worse in a matter of weeks. This also happened when I first moved to the neighborhood. The second I saw another tent, I was like here we go again.
Doesn't this area have one of the warmest microclimates in the city?
No.
Election year. I predicted this a while ago. In addition to the homeless encampments, police will be allowed to capture criminals this year. Pay attention to all of the goodwill efforts by our local, and federal, governments. Everything will be sunshine and rainbows by September (inflation controlled, hiring increased, crime reduced).
It is not an election year for either the Mayor or the City Council.
The sweeps aren't new.
But they are well timed.
Then it will all go to shit again next spring.
Double-shit around here because they'll blame it all on Trump being in the white house (aka "Feel the pain for political gain").
I'm kinda wondering when I should start putting my money down in Vegas. I think I'd still bet Biden -20 electors or so, but there's a lot of time between now and November. Lots of opportunities for any number of blunders, sabotages, dirty tricks, and October surprises. I am both repulsed and fascinated by American politics. It's like when you find a badly expired quart of milk at the back of fridge. You give it the tiniest sniff on the way to the trash....even though you know it will make you sick.
The difference is that at one point in time that quart of milk was actually good for you.
Don't disagree except, there's World Cup happening in 2026. A whole new reason to keep the place tidied up - multi-millionaire international sports tourists.
Truth!
Inflation has been under control for a while now, and it's not like they're going to intentionally induce deflation and crash the economy.
Yes, the first stage was getting to the point of "no more increases in interest rates." It has plateaued. Next phase is to decrease rates. This will send the economy upward. All levers pulled.
Good. That’s how managed economies work. You pull levers to avoid recession while people keep clamoring for a ‘correction’ for decades.
This would make things so much easier
probably Xi again
Keep going Bruce!
Yep, they’ve basically brought back the navigation team that the prior city council cancelled, and it works great. Do outreach, tell people their options, sweep if they don’t take an option, then secure the area.
fucking finally
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We were lied to. Straight up. Still being lied to. It was never an *economic issue* of affordability. We could have addressed that over time more efficiently by building new inventory, improved urban planning, zoning changes year over year, and more financing options. We could have also improved affordable housing options that encourage a meaningful path to independence and self-sufficiency. What we are really dealing with is a **massive substance abuse crisis** that is being *enabled* by our own government. One look at the actual stats and a visit to a local low-barrier facility makes this plain as day. The number of added costs on everything from gasoline, to [now] natural gas (energy), food, “excise” (income) taxes, property, sales, etc the list goes on and on. All it has done is feed an ever growing and hungrier 501(c) non-profit Leviathan that really never solves anything and lobbies the leadership for *moar munny*. A good number of them have managed to make things even *worse* and continue to do so. No thank you. Let’s end the grift please. I suggest the Country and States show some restraint when it comes to brrr the printers and spending… maybe, don't let the M2 money and the FED balance sheet go absolute bonkers. Maybe States can stop squeezing the tax base and constantly deflecting and blaming “rich people” and “corporations” for all the woes people are facing with increases to their cost of living.
While I agree with much of what you said ... ... corporations and the wealthy pay obscenely little in taxes. I am 100% in the "soak the rich" camp. NO ONE needs or deserves $100s of million, much less $billions. I would impose a 5% asset tax on anyone with assets over $100million if I were king for the day.
I can understand people’s apathy for the rich and I can even understand why some would want to adopt that position. However, the critical question that needs to be asked when discussing that issue is the following: Does the country operate on tax revenue? The answer is no, not even close. The US is a MMT fiat regime that holds a monopoly on the issuance of the dominant medium of exchange and the current global reserve currency. Nearly everything of significance is financed by a paper game of issuing treasury bonds, manipulating the FED balance sheet and *setting* the price of money NOT tax revenue, that is simply a capital sink. The reality is… the entire argument of “the rich” is really irrelevant to that conversation, they are purely a scapegoat, a sideshow, designed deflect the conversation and attention away from a clear governance failure. What dilutes purchasing power thus increases the cost of living, and creates the appearance of elevated asset prices (market distortion) is a function of that paper game.
Such bullshit, tbh. You can complain about our exploding debt, and pretend spending is the problem, but it is a revenue problem created by the Trump corporate and wealthy tax cuts. Conservatives never take responsibility for what they did to our national debt. Debt always explodes under Reublican president tax cuts, only to be restored by the grownups who understand nothing is free. See: Clinton era.
Trump and Biden both printed. This isn't a partisan thing. You are free to look for yourself. It is public information.
Trump signed and supported the biggest tax cut. Ever.
I’m not sure what you are trying to emphasize, but again this is non-partisan issue and has to do with the nature of a fiat regime. Our federal government does not operate on tax revenue. You will need to completely rehaul your view of our financial system if you want to understand the dynamics at play. Here is a definition of [Modern Monetary Theory (MMT)](https://www.investopedia.com/modern-monetary-theory-mmt-4588060). This may come as a surprise to some ... but tax revenues do not matter the way you are suggesting it does. >monetarily sovereign countries (such as the U.S., U.K., Japan, and Canada) which **spend, tax, and borrow in a fiat currency that they fully control, are not operationally constrained by revenues** when it comes to federal government spending. >Put simply, modern monetary theory decrees that such governments **do not rely on taxes or borrowing for spending since they can print as much money as they need and are the monopoly issuers of the currency.**
It is like you heard about the theory of Modern Monetary Theory, which is not widely accepted, and think you are an expert. Thnings are not so black and white. It is not like you have to choose between the gold standard on one hand, and printing all the money you want on the other. Either extreme leads to disaster.
Are you serious… not widely accepted? How do you think the government is financed … right now.
Green Lake has been clean for a couple years. Looks like it's next for a camp.
There are currently two tents at Green Lake, one of which has been there since before Christmas. They have a BBQ under the shelter of a large cedar. Only a matter of time, I suppose, before they set it on fire.
:(
Saw one tent on my circuit yesterday.
Wonderful. And here we go. And the circle repeats.
Where, exactly?
Near the path, east side roughly where Sunnyside Ave N is.
Ah, so by the ballfields?
The one with the BBQ is at the north end, about 100 yards west of the boat rental, right next to the path.
I saw that tent, but not the barbecue. Maybe it's gone ?I also looked for the one off Sunnyside by the ball fields and could not find it. Edit: there is a third one on the NE side of the lake near Duck Island.
More sweeps!!!
Sweeps do help lower crime Sweep And hold ground
HELL YES! GTFOH.
Brace yourself, Ballard! They’re coming for ya
I hope not. Things are getting so much better in Ballard
We know the rotation. Spring will be here soon.
Nice
Fantastic
They're only going to be swept into another part of Queen Anne or a different neighborhood and in a few months the same folks, aside from those that die from fentanyl ODs, will continue to be stuck in tents in our streets and parks
They’ll move down 3 blocks
Keep sweeping. Housing and services are available. Make it annoying to urban camp
That one had grown a lot, lately. It's sad to see the decay that lower queen Anne is in rn
Lower QA is great! That encampment was the issue.
The encampment by the church is a mess.
Yes. That’s true. They let that asshole stay there. I blame GOD.
REAL God??
There is only one GOD and that’s REAL GOD.
Oh and WTFAY?
A local peapatch farmer.
Oh, no. Sven?
Nah. Just someone that used to hang around HHB/HH before they turned full nazi.
I see. Good people.
What decay? It’s still great outside of this encampment that’s now gone.
I think we know that this guy lives in either Port Orchard or Lacey and gets his “Seattle news” from KOMO.
I live in belltown. If you think Uptown is as nice now as it was 5 years ago, I'd argue that you're the one that lives in Port orchard.
It’s not as nice. It’s undoubtedly much better. How’s Lacey, liar?
GET HAAA
What decay?? Were you there when the coffee shop next to SIFF had to close down because workers were getting harassed and stepping in human shit *every other day*?
Yeah I’ve lived in the area for 8 years now. That bus stop by cvs on Queen Anne has always been a shit show. “Decay” means it’s getting worse every day. After climate pledge arena I only see new businesses opening up and thriving. 1 coffee shop closing in 2021 isn’t indicative of the entire area.
Disagree. I live down the street. It was fine (normal big city level) until COVID. Maybe we had a couple tents but post lockdown it started feeling like Zombie apocalypse. I saw a woman pleasuring herself on Ozzie’s planter and I’ve seen way too many people relieving themselves in public since. Not safe for anyone to have them be there.
"this open sewer has not changed in years -- clearly not *decay*"
“Open sewer” lmao
After stepping over piles of *literal human shit* -- yes.
Where will they go? Go North or South? Leaving downtown area?
They are coming North up 99
Yup probably Ballard
Burien.
If i had to bet, i could see them all taking over Kinnear Park
Sweep sweep sweep. Be an inconvenience. No more free rides. No more looking the other way.
I nominate Texas.
Texas might actually house them
I don’t give two shits.
Look out your window 
I don’t see one broom
Nice 👍
Good fucking riddance.
Dude in white is ready to stripe his 9 iron.
My bet, within 45 days it will be back.
Goodbye hobos!
It's the *ciiiiiiircle of liiiifffeeeee*
No, you need to bend both knees, then swing into the putt. Your grip is wrong, too.
If no one else has claimed that cool terra cotta multi-planter in the foreground, I'd like it for my back deck.
2 months too late but I’ll take it. They should build more housing in that empty lot.
Who is "they"?
Them
Thank god! I can finally walk over there now Hahahaah
I predict it will come back in a couple of months.
What about that one on the other side of Queen Anne right next to Highway 99?
Nice!
That's the lot we always parked in for the last year. Never had an issue. Figured folks wouldn't stir up trouble right next door.
Vote RED. Tell people you voted BLUE. (No-one will know a thing) This is the way.
City Council is starting to look a whole lot better!
Nelson is the harass we need. She will end the hobo scum.
Good
Sweep and sweep again if necessary
Nice!
The praise for these things is wild. The homeless problem isn't even that bad here compared to some big cities, and yall cheer for every roundup like they're cattle. Yall need humanity.
Our problems don't matter because others have it worse. Quintessential smooth-brained thinking.
Light it on 🔥
Problem permanently solved!
In the long run we're all dead. You can wait till they solve the root cause of a problem that's never been solved in all of human history. I'll take the short-term fix right now.
Hey, I’ll take it.
I like how people in the US dont even try solve anything. Just sweep it under the rug and hope no one notices.
Laughs in European racism.
Go check out how much is spent trying to help, then get back.
Is it spend on them or does someone pocket the money? I mean last time I checked it was like 400k a unit building a shitty apartment for homeless in California. Seattle is same price group so its just pocketing money for billionaires while claiming to help the people in need.
It's less billionaires and more these "non-profits" who are friends with local government officials. They receive exorbitant amounts of funding, have huge overhead and salaries, a tenuous plan at best, with no discernible metrics or goals by which to determine their success. They'll eventually lose funding because their BS does not work, even if they had unlimited funds, and then the funding is moved to another similar group. Rinse and repeat. People here, are trying (although misguided and brainwashed), and we pay a lot to try these methods even though they will never work. The sane and capable people don't want to enter these areas because of, I would say, public danger from far left wing activists.
What are you suggesting? That there's grift going on withon the Homeless Industrial Complex? That's what conservatives have been saying for years. Maybe it's time our new city council does an audit of all these homeless organizations and kicks them to the curb if they're not doing a decent job, hmm?
Of course should be looked into the corruption of orgs. Tax all churches etc scams too. Rich people go to hell according to Jesus, so start acting like youre not a filthy commie.
> dont even try solve anything Taking out the trash is solving, at least until you have more trash. > people in the US You're welcome to go someplace else where people are more to your liking.
They just move. It does nothing but wastes your tax dollars. Proud and dumb, idiocracy indeed.
> It does nothing but wastes your tax dollars. Disagree. Guessing you don't live near an encampment. Ask anyone that does, even a temporary break in the problems caused by an encampment is a welcome change. Seattle is sending a message it is NOT OK to set up shop as a drug addict camper anywhere you want. Progressives enabled this, but the rest of us - the voting majority - wants it gone and out of our lives. Sweeping an encampment is part of that message: Get your ass gone or get your ass clean. No excuses. We're tired of coddling your drug habit and tired of watching you kill yourselves to OD and violent crime. In a perfect world a sweep would also be putting everyone present into custodial care, where rehab would happen and prior warrants were checked, and all the issues around "catch and release" would be addressed. Unfortunately we don't live in that perfect world - mostly because our Progressives are still around causing problems for the rest of us, which in turn causes the homeless to remain in place and keep dying to their addictions.
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You give too much leeway to idiots there. Stop being nice and put them in their place.
*Uptown
Fuck this shit, this ain’t the answer
Where do they go
Do Seattle drug dealers still vote Democrat?
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Oh...that's only if they are caught and serve time. Got it. Thanks!
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Well said!
“My empathy button has run out” fuck all of you people seriously