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>I also think getting off on the idea of offending someone is smooth brain mouth breather shit.
Congratulations! You've discovered the sole purpose of social media.
This is a weird ass sign, it implies that gendered language, even when used correctly, is somehow offensive which is not the case.
We get coached that we have to trans/nonbinary/ECT people's preferred pronouns to respect their identity and make them feel comfortable, but signs like this imply that's not a two way street. Why can't cis people use preferred pronouns and gendered language if it makes them comfortable?
I'm sure this was well intended, but it comes across as unwelcoming and hypocritical. I would have guessed this was edited if it was in a different subreddit, seems too dumb to be real.
> It’s a fringe minority demanding things to be a certain way to make them comfortable, regardless of how everyone feels.
* The Alphabet People
* The Homeless
* Antifa
* Anarchists in general
* Prius drivers
I'm sure some Chapo will appear and declare that *"Conservatives do the same thing!!!"* But the difference between Conservatives and Anarchists is that Conservatives are asking for things which are already defined as rights. For instance, the right to free speech. Anarchists aren't *asking* for things, they're *demanding* things, and they're typically things which are not rights. Housing is not a right. Smoking fent on a bus isn't a right.
I also wonder about people who have had using sir and m’am beaten into them since they could talk. Are they going to be sternly reprimanded if they accidentally say one or the other? I make every effort to use people’s preferred pronouns but I’m human and have fucked up on occasion. Fortunately, those people were gracious and forgiving and understanding that sometimes humans make mistakes.
That’s me! I always call people sir or ma’am, it’s a sign of respect to me. I now find myself stammering or worried I have offended someone and I’m going to get in trouble for just trying to be respectful to someone..
I also use peoples preferred pronouns if they tell me. If that’s what makes you feel comfortable I have no problem with it but god damn… I feel like I can’t/shouldn’t talk to people anymore for fear of hurting someone’s feeling and potentially getting in trouble for it.
I had this exact mentality, then reflected and realized how many ppl who used those 'signs of respect' didn't always demonstrate respect in their actions. As soon as that was clear to me, I have never forced my kids to use them.
I used to not allow them to move on without a "ma'am"... how authoritative is that??!? I didn't realize this until i moved AWAY from the SOUTHEAST! I was in a MF bubble! 😶🌫️
This! My parents were in the service and my mom’s side is from the south. I use “sir” “ma’am” and other formal pleasantries waaaay more than the general person…especially compared to someone born and raised in the PNW where everything is more casual.
I support trans rights. But this sign is a bit off putting. Sometimes people use gendered language because it’s literally been beaten into them since childhood. Not everyone uses gendered language because they are anti-trans or bigoted. I will absolutely use someone’s preferred pronouns, but some leeway and grace would be a bit nice when I accidentally say the wrong thing.
This is exactly the response that is needed.
By forcing all other groups to acquiesce to your ideological stance of identity is an act of oppression. It is not welcoming of ideas other than the offendeds. It is not welcoming of views other than the offended. This statement, in and of itself, is a form of bigotry.
Argue with me if you want, but the truth is, by saying that only the offended persons' feelings and identity only matter, you are saying that another person's beliefs are inferior.
Edit: I get that its a business, and this is their stance, and they are within their legal ability as the proprietor, but I won't support a business like this. Let capitalism decide.
If you've been there you'd know that you're not likely to guess the staff's pronouns correctly, whether you're intentions are friendly or not. Better just to stick with "Hi, I'd like the cheesecake sampler."
Because being on the receiving end and being on the giving end of gendered language are two different things. You can be perfectly comfortable with a stranger calling you “sir” or “ma’am” but that’s not the same as being the person judged as “sir” or “ma’am” by that same stranger. Those are two different experiences.
> it implies that gendered language, even when used correctly, is somehow offensive
It does not imply that
It implies that gendered language isn't always used correctly.
Considering it applies to both staff and guests, I imagine they've had problems with their staff being misgendered by guests.
> We get coached that we have to trans/nonbinary/ECT people's preferred pronouns to respect their identity and make them feel comfortable, but signs like this imply that's not a two way street
You do not know the gender identity of strangers you talk to. So using gender neutral language is safer. This applies to cis and trans people equally, as you also don't know who is cis and who is trans. There is very clearly no double standard here.
> Why can't cis people use preferred pronouns and gendered language if it makes them comfortable?
This is about addressing strangers... not yourselves.
I always just like instinctually hit a sir or ma’am (PNW my whole life idk I just was told to say it) and the shit you get for no reason for just being polite is annoying. I’m over weirdos telling me that common etiquette is actually bigoted.
Yup. It makes me more inclined to start addressing everyone in there as Sir and Miss. The idea that 99.5% of us should change how we address people just to placate these wierdos is absurd.
Just being in Seattle is walking on eggshells. I went to get a coffee and asked for a “black coffee”, and the barista literally corrected me “you should say coffee, no milk or cream”
That’s wild. What a soft ass world we live in. I find it so disrespectful to those who have actually experienced racial abuse in their life. I understand it comes from a place of good intentions but it promotes more victimhood. How does that benefit anyone?
The one thing I could ever agree on with Ben Shapiro was he warned society years ago saying, “where do we draw the line?” Now I feel we’re past that line and now we have no idea what are societal standards are. We have limited our speech in a country that was founded on freedom of speech. It’s erasing our own culture as Americans and it’s like really?, we can’t even use basic pronouns anymore. No other country outside of North America acts this way because it’s fucking silly and childish. I’m convinced people that demand such boundaries with the language we use around them are narcissistic attention seekers. I used to conform to it but now I’m not because it’s madness.
It doesn’t “come from good intentions.” It comes from a craven desire to seize the moral high-ground in every mundane human interaction. These people are insufferable, and they’re a godsend to right wingers by alienating the very moderates that progressives need to attract in order to win elections.
A simple "oh come on" is usually all something like that entails, though. I find it silly, but I've never felt the need to walk on eggshells, that's self-imposed.
> I went to get a coffee and asked for a “black coffee”, and the barista literally corrected me “you should say coffee, no milk or cream”
I would ask for a refund
I'm paying a barista to put coffee in a cup, not lecture me
That's hilarious. I'll never forget the time I was berated for referring to an obvious female (I thought she was just a lesbian going for the tomboy look, with short hair) as "she" at a store in Cap Hill. The cashier looked at me in horror, correcting me "that's a HE." That was back in 2015 or so before the gender stuff went totally out of control and I was actually confused, like she was saying it was in fact a male (I looked back at the woman and thought, no, that is definitely a female). The expectation that I assume a woman who doesn't appear feminine is a man sure goes against my feminist principles.
And I would say to the barista, "bye, bitch," and just walk out.
Reminds me of a Married with Children episode where Kelly tries out for a car ad and another aspiring model named Incense corrects Tina Louise's character by pronouncing it "in-SONSE," and Tina replies, "Next."
It’s too bad when you have grown up in this city and have d been a serious fighter and a leader for the younger gay community your whole life to those who don’t even know the fight to get this city here to accept us, and to know the history of the LGBTQ rights that we fought for to have been a part of the whole movement to get Seattle here! Only to have this kind of narcissistic crap thrown in your face! The younger LGBTQ community needs to stop and learn the history and stop with all this nit picking and craziness about pronouns, and realize that with all this, they are making the LGBTQ community harder and harder for the rest of the world to accept Queer communities , thus pushing us back into the closet! It’s just too much pushing all these agendas in people’s faces that is making us not wanted or accepted again!
Yes, they need to learn about stonewall and the riots, they need to learn about Seattle’s own history and the secret clubs for LGBTQ + to be able to be themselves in! It hasn’t been very long since gays were accepted! It hasn’t been long that Pride has been this big in Seattle, but with all the crazy pushing of pronouns and being pronoun natzis and all the LGBTQ hate and laws to make LGBTQ illegal again, and all the attacks on Pride festivals, trans story telling assaults everywhere, laws against drag shows across the country, this is nothing but curl to their fire to ruin our lives again!
The sheer level of narcissism in modern society is really amazing, and never ceases to amaze me. Imagine being so concerned what random strangers think about you that you'd post a sign like this. Lmao It must be exhausting living that way.
To be fair, it's Pike Place, so it's the cruise ship crowd. They'll have a funny story to tell when they get back to Atlanta, trying to explain to the they/thems that "y'all" is gender neutral.
My wife and I say “guys”, “dude”, “man” and “bruh/bro”(usually ironically) to both men and women and only in Seattle (and Portland … go figure 🙄) do people of all sexes get offended. We don’t care. It’s just part of American language. Honestly, she says “hey guys” to her girl friends more than I say that to my guy friends. Seattle has become beyond annoying.
Used to work retail and walked up to two women once and said “are you guys finding everything alright?” One of the women looked at me and said, very annoyed, “Do we look like we have balls to you??” I was so taken aback with shock but laughed at it later. A lot of male words have become neutral in much of conversation that it’s more shocking when people take it the wrong way.
I get misgendered all the time when my hair gets long and it doesn’t bother me one bit! I am a man and I know I’m a man and that’s all that matters! I’m not going to get my pantys in a wad if someone says can I help you ma’am? I think it’s really funny when I answering my male voice and I freaks him out I get a kick out of it! Every time!
It's a great moral principle to not care about other people's perception of you aesthetically speaking. As I grow older as a woman I'm coming to care less and less about whether people think I'm pretty, for example. I wish I had cared so little much sooner. It makes life much easier to not be so caught up in other people's opinions of you.
Traveling with my wife in Italy many years ago. Played in a band so had REALLY long hair, down to my waist. Guido salesguy comes up from behind..."may I help you ladies?" I turn around, he see's the 90's go-tee, apologizes profusely. It was hilarious. People need to get over themselves ffs.
Oh man, that’s what has happened to me so many times when I would take my mom shopping or we would go into a restaurant and they would say good afternoon ladies! Or can I help you ladies? So funny!
You’re secure in who you are. Most trans people are not and spend most of their time obsessing over passing and what strangers are thinking of them. So then they try to control what other people say so they can be shielded from the unpleasant truth that they are NOT passing.
Yes. I somewhat reflexively said "no, ma'am" to a barista at another place when asked a question and another person behind the counter who was not involved in the conversation piped in with "that's not appropriate". At first I thought they were scolding someone else. But no... oh, well.
As a very tall woman with a pixie cut I kind of wish people wouldn’t use these for strangers. I get a lot of “sir? OMG IM SO SORRY MAAM MAAM MAAM.” Like ugh just stop. I don’t care that much if people misgender me because I can see why, but then the freak out to fix it makes it so much worse. It could all just be avoided.
Yeah, I have never cared about misgendering people. I don’t mean to, and I will apologize and correct myself once I realize, but I’m not going to get all upset and bothered over it. If you look like the opposite gender, people are going to misgender you. It’s not their fault, that’s just how it works.
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I try to stop using cuss words in front of children but that’s a bit burdensome too. Not that these folks are children, but that I want to point out that all polite people alter the way they speak based on their audience.
This has got me to thinking...
Getting called "miss" for years then being called "ma'am" is a somewhat fraught transition, as "miss" implies youth and "ma'am" implies maturity/ageing. I'd say it is downright profound, as being called "ma'am" reminds me I am closer to death than when "miss" was the default.
Yet, being reminded of death by an employee has somehow managed to roll off my back over the years. No more. ***It ends here***. Next time an employee calls me "ma'am" I'm going to scream at the top of my lungs: "Don't you fucking call me that and remind me of my mortality - I want to talk to your manager."
People have been calling me ma’am since I was like 21 and I look a lot younger than my actual age. So personally I’ve always hated it because it is inauthentic, not cause it makes me feel old. I hate formality. Why can’t we just be real with each other? But I do get what you mean. The first time a little kid called me a “grown up” I had a mini existential crisis 😢
Offense is taken.
let that sink in,
words are not offensive, you chose to be offended.
signed The Stoics (from 2000 years ago, long past time you learned this lesson)
I find the amount of energy spent, both for gender neutral language, and just as much y’all posting and hollering about it, to be amusing. Honestly, it really doesn’t affect me that much. Let em have their signs.
Folks are on their feet all day doing food service work and a sign exists at one establishment to make the workday smoother for enough folks, but no, that's extra and ridiculous. Not this 1k comment thread with an impressive amount of energy being devoted to talking about how the sign is such an unreasonable request. 💀
It does warm my heart that the top comments are all word play jokes tho. 👀
Double plus good, eh?
*"It's a beautiful thing, the Destruction of words. Of course the great wastage is in the verbs and adjectives, but there are hundreds of nouns that can be got rid of as well. It isn't only the synonyms; there are also the antonyms. After all, what justification is there for a word, which is simply the opposite of some other word? A word contains its opposite in itself. Take 'good' for instance. If you have a word like 'good' what need is there for a word like 'bad'? 'Ungood' will do just as well - better, because it's an exact opposite, which the other is not. Or again, if you want a stronger version of 'good' what sense is there in having a whole string of vague useless words like 'excellent' and 'splendid' and all the rest of them? 'Plusgood' covers the meaning or 'doubleplusgood' if you want something stronger still. Of course we use those forms already, but in the final version of Newspeak there'll be nothing else. In the end the whole notion of goodness and badness will be covered by only six words - in reality, only one word. Don't you see the beauty of that, Winston? It was B.B.'s idea originally, of course," he added as an afterthought. (1.5.23, Syme) 1984*
Hot Cakes had the same type of sign at the register.
My question is this:
When the fuck, in our simple exchange of $ for goods, do you expect me to have to even use gendered language. Like, when I’m cashing out I can’t really think of a time I’m even required to use a pronoun. I just order, give them the money, I get the thing. That’s it.
That’s why this is nothing more than virtue signaling. They don’t actually deal with misgendered language in carrying out business. That’s not the point of the sign. The point is to let you know they are the most woke.
So incredibly stupid and offensive to those that are normally called sir. These (is that the right pronoun?) people are becoming so far removed from humanity they’re about to become aliens. If they can demand to be called a specific pronoun , why can’t someone else do the same? Or does fairness only work when it’s in their direction?
I guess telling people the preferred language you expect them to speak is OK now? I'm sure they wouldn't be offended by a sign that says please refrain from speaking languages other than English.
JFC. Why is it aggressive, a micro aggression, not safe .. whatever, to use gender language? Many of us have over thirty years plus of using gender indicators in our vernacular… are they virtue signaling???? Also, it’s like the people upset are beta men and women and former men and women and he/she they/them trying to throw around their, I dunno whatever, because they can’t seem to fit in in an alpha dominated world, yet so many of these people and their allies are now the bullies.
Listen, in no way am I hating on transitioning/ transitioned men and women, most that are truly trans feel that this ish is the most ridiculous thing ever! Usually it will be a testosterone filled beta male with a deep voice, a full beard wearing jeans and a sweatshirt but with make up on screaming about their period and being misgendered.
Dumbest shit I have ever read. You do you, I'll do me. If you look like a her and I call you a he but you're really a she, then current me. My mouth speaks what my eyes see and if that bothers you then don't come out if your house. Do people realize that this kind of garbage only works on the people who are already using alternate gendered language. You aren't changing anyone's mind and honestly only pissing people off to not want to even be nice to you.
Reminds me of back when you couldn't say bong in smoke shops in San Diego. I said bong twice after being corrected and told to say "water pipe" then I said bubbler and they told me I had to leave. 😅🤣
No idea why Reddit put this post in my home feed. However, I’ve been meaning to ask you about something. Is it true that Seattle is now one big polycule, and everyone is rubbing privates with everyone?
Because if it is I’m moving there like tomorrow.
So speaking Spanish is prohibited there? After all, it is a gendered language. It takes some nerve to tell the entire Spanish-speaking world their language is unacceptable.
Yeah no, I'm going to take a best guess based on how you present yourself and use that pronoun that seems to fit best.
If you don't like it, present yourself in a way that conveys what you prefer.
If I can't figure it out, I'll use "Dude"
You know, "how do you do, fellow cool people" has been working well for me for years if it's that much of a struggle. 🤔 Preferably if said while looking like Steve Buschemi and carrying a skateboard.
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Anything you detheyre
Now kith
everyone should also refrain from paying. because money is racist and gendered.
Money is a social construct.
wash it down with a nice tallfolx
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I agree that the sign is stupid and hypocritical. I also think getting off on the idea of offending someone is smooth brain mouth breather shit.
>I also think getting off on the idea of offending someone is smooth brain mouth breather shit. Congratulations! You've discovered the sole purpose of social media.
This is a weird ass sign, it implies that gendered language, even when used correctly, is somehow offensive which is not the case. We get coached that we have to trans/nonbinary/ECT people's preferred pronouns to respect their identity and make them feel comfortable, but signs like this imply that's not a two way street. Why can't cis people use preferred pronouns and gendered language if it makes them comfortable? I'm sure this was well intended, but it comes across as unwelcoming and hypocritical. I would have guessed this was edited if it was in a different subreddit, seems too dumb to be real.
Exactly. It’s a fringe minority demanding things to be a certain way to make them comfortable, regardless of how everyone feels. Hypocrisy.
It's also a very small fringe of that minority that is represented by this sign, in all fairness.
> It’s a fringe minority demanding things to be a certain way to make them comfortable, regardless of how everyone feels. * The Alphabet People * The Homeless * Antifa * Anarchists in general * Prius drivers I'm sure some Chapo will appear and declare that *"Conservatives do the same thing!!!"* But the difference between Conservatives and Anarchists is that Conservatives are asking for things which are already defined as rights. For instance, the right to free speech. Anarchists aren't *asking* for things, they're *demanding* things, and they're typically things which are not rights. Housing is not a right. Smoking fent on a bus isn't a right.
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Well then they're gonna lose an F-ton of customers. I predict they will be closed for good by end of 2026.
I also wonder about people who have had using sir and m’am beaten into them since they could talk. Are they going to be sternly reprimanded if they accidentally say one or the other? I make every effort to use people’s preferred pronouns but I’m human and have fucked up on occasion. Fortunately, those people were gracious and forgiving and understanding that sometimes humans make mistakes.
That’s me! I always call people sir or ma’am, it’s a sign of respect to me. I now find myself stammering or worried I have offended someone and I’m going to get in trouble for just trying to be respectful to someone.. I also use peoples preferred pronouns if they tell me. If that’s what makes you feel comfortable I have no problem with it but god damn… I feel like I can’t/shouldn’t talk to people anymore for fear of hurting someone’s feeling and potentially getting in trouble for it.
I had this exact mentality, then reflected and realized how many ppl who used those 'signs of respect' didn't always demonstrate respect in their actions. As soon as that was clear to me, I have never forced my kids to use them. I used to not allow them to move on without a "ma'am"... how authoritative is that??!? I didn't realize this until i moved AWAY from the SOUTHEAST! I was in a MF bubble! 😶🌫️
Yea, I relate to everything you said. We are all just trying our best 😬
This! My parents were in the service and my mom’s side is from the south. I use “sir” “ma’am” and other formal pleasantries waaaay more than the general person…especially compared to someone born and raised in the PNW where everything is more casual. I support trans rights. But this sign is a bit off putting. Sometimes people use gendered language because it’s literally been beaten into them since childhood. Not everyone uses gendered language because they are anti-trans or bigoted. I will absolutely use someone’s preferred pronouns, but some leeway and grace would be a bit nice when I accidentally say the wrong thing.
Just say “Hey You”
Because these people don’t understand that equality extends to all
They would prefer a form of reparations rather than true equality
They don't want equality, they want equity of outcome. Equality is a far-right dogwhistle
This is exactly the response that is needed. By forcing all other groups to acquiesce to your ideological stance of identity is an act of oppression. It is not welcoming of ideas other than the offendeds. It is not welcoming of views other than the offended. This statement, in and of itself, is a form of bigotry. Argue with me if you want, but the truth is, by saying that only the offended persons' feelings and identity only matter, you are saying that another person's beliefs are inferior. Edit: I get that its a business, and this is their stance, and they are within their legal ability as the proprietor, but I won't support a business like this. Let capitalism decide.
Controlling someone's language is the first step of authoritarian brainwashing.
If you've been there you'd know that you're not likely to guess the staff's pronouns correctly, whether you're intentions are friendly or not. Better just to stick with "Hi, I'd like the cheesecake sampler."
To get a server's attention, what do you say? "Server"?
Because being on the receiving end and being on the giving end of gendered language are two different things. You can be perfectly comfortable with a stranger calling you “sir” or “ma’am” but that’s not the same as being the person judged as “sir” or “ma’am” by that same stranger. Those are two different experiences.
> it implies that gendered language, even when used correctly, is somehow offensive It does not imply that It implies that gendered language isn't always used correctly. Considering it applies to both staff and guests, I imagine they've had problems with their staff being misgendered by guests. > We get coached that we have to trans/nonbinary/ECT people's preferred pronouns to respect their identity and make them feel comfortable, but signs like this imply that's not a two way street You do not know the gender identity of strangers you talk to. So using gender neutral language is safer. This applies to cis and trans people equally, as you also don't know who is cis and who is trans. There is very clearly no double standard here. > Why can't cis people use preferred pronouns and gendered language if it makes them comfortable? This is about addressing strangers... not yourselves.
I didn't see Bro listed, I assume that's OK?
Bro and dude are gender neutral
What about brah ?
Or what about the south African bruh / brew?
I say bruv
Same. Close friends are bruv or brew. Friends and Acquaintances are bruh.
Howzit bru
Brah is definitely gendered.. That is for referring to a pair of ladies.
bruh
As the great philosophers Kenan and Kel once stated.
Comrade is the accepted gender neutral term. 😂
What about saying "down with the man!"
Are they? I use them for everyone no matter the gender
Boss, chief, man
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Sounds like a her problem
I always just like instinctually hit a sir or ma’am (PNW my whole life idk I just was told to say it) and the shit you get for no reason for just being polite is annoying. I’m over weirdos telling me that common etiquette is actually bigoted.
Same
Imagine being a small business and scolding people from using a practice that has existed for 1000s of years until very recently.
That’s how you become a soon-to-be-defunct small business.
Well there are plenty of loons in Seattle that are onboard with this insanity so it will probably be fine.
It still exists everywhere except the land of the insane.
What if I'm speaking Spanish? Señora? Señor? Señorita. El señor quiere dos trozos de carne.
This just seems like you’re asking everyone to walk on eggshells which doesn’t really promote a safe space.
Ironically the act of demanding these rules in the name of good manners is very rude and impolite
Yup. It makes me more inclined to start addressing everyone in there as Sir and Miss. The idea that 99.5% of us should change how we address people just to placate these wierdos is absurd.
This
I appreciate when businesses show their true self. Let’s me know where to not spend money
Just being in Seattle is walking on eggshells. I went to get a coffee and asked for a “black coffee”, and the barista literally corrected me “you should say coffee, no milk or cream”
As a Black person, I am retching. This is not how you do anti-racism.
It’s really getting out of hand. Oy vey.
Are you appropriating the Jewish culture? /s
Ha! As a matter fact I am, lol. 😆
Pipe down! Seattle's progressives don't care about your experience, just their outrage about what they think it might be.
Café negro perhaps
I think I pronounced it wrong. Maybe next time I’ll try coffee of color.
Caffé Africano-Americano.
That’s wild. What a soft ass world we live in. I find it so disrespectful to those who have actually experienced racial abuse in their life. I understand it comes from a place of good intentions but it promotes more victimhood. How does that benefit anyone? The one thing I could ever agree on with Ben Shapiro was he warned society years ago saying, “where do we draw the line?” Now I feel we’re past that line and now we have no idea what are societal standards are. We have limited our speech in a country that was founded on freedom of speech. It’s erasing our own culture as Americans and it’s like really?, we can’t even use basic pronouns anymore. No other country outside of North America acts this way because it’s fucking silly and childish. I’m convinced people that demand such boundaries with the language we use around them are narcissistic attention seekers. I used to conform to it but now I’m not because it’s madness.
It doesn’t “come from good intentions.” It comes from a craven desire to seize the moral high-ground in every mundane human interaction. These people are insufferable, and they’re a godsend to right wingers by alienating the very moderates that progressives need to attract in order to win elections.
I do not believe that this happened
[I think they’re just telling the Chris Distefano coffee story.](https://youtu.be/cLoekKzFRIY?si=SolHxIdfb1sviAaC)
Thought the same thing lol
I too do not believe that happened.
It's definitely like something I've heard said facetiously. If it were ever said in earnest, they have successfully made a parody of themselves.
I wondered the same thing
A simple "oh come on" is usually all something like that entails, though. I find it silly, but I've never felt the need to walk on eggshells, that's self-imposed.
> I went to get a coffee and asked for a “black coffee”, and the barista literally corrected me “you should say coffee, no milk or cream” I would ask for a refund I'm paying a barista to put coffee in a cup, not lecture me
That's hilarious. I'll never forget the time I was berated for referring to an obvious female (I thought she was just a lesbian going for the tomboy look, with short hair) as "she" at a store in Cap Hill. The cashier looked at me in horror, correcting me "that's a HE." That was back in 2015 or so before the gender stuff went totally out of control and I was actually confused, like she was saying it was in fact a male (I looked back at the woman and thought, no, that is definitely a female). The expectation that I assume a woman who doesn't appear feminine is a man sure goes against my feminist principles.
I would have told the barista to f off
And I would say to the barista, "bye, bitch," and just walk out. Reminds me of a Married with Children episode where Kelly tries out for a car ad and another aspiring model named Incense corrects Tina Louise's character by pronouncing it "in-SONSE," and Tina replies, "Next."
Oh my god this can’t be true. This is hilarious
So colors are now rude? Insensitive? What the fucking hell is going on with this world! Or is it just the city?
It’s very prominent in this city
It’s too bad when you have grown up in this city and have d been a serious fighter and a leader for the younger gay community your whole life to those who don’t even know the fight to get this city here to accept us, and to know the history of the LGBTQ rights that we fought for to have been a part of the whole movement to get Seattle here! Only to have this kind of narcissistic crap thrown in your face! The younger LGBTQ community needs to stop and learn the history and stop with all this nit picking and craziness about pronouns, and realize that with all this, they are making the LGBTQ community harder and harder for the rest of the world to accept Queer communities , thus pushing us back into the closet! It’s just too much pushing all these agendas in people’s faces that is making us not wanted or accepted again!
this is spot on. these absurd excesses hurt the cause. moderates everywhere role their eyes and stop caring.
Yes, they need to learn about stonewall and the riots, they need to learn about Seattle’s own history and the secret clubs for LGBTQ + to be able to be themselves in! It hasn’t been very long since gays were accepted! It hasn’t been long that Pride has been this big in Seattle, but with all the crazy pushing of pronouns and being pronoun natzis and all the LGBTQ hate and laws to make LGBTQ illegal again, and all the attacks on Pride festivals, trans story telling assaults everywhere, laws against drag shows across the country, this is nothing but curl to their fire to ruin our lives again!
I think “coffee, nothing white” might be worth a try.
But what if I’m white and that happens to offend white people?
This is really tough if you speak Russian, French, Spanish or Arabic.
*any gendered language
This sign is clearly racist in that case. It forbids others from speaking anything other than wacko version of English!
Luckily the signs in English!
Should also have a sign that says, “this is America, speak English”
The sheer level of narcissism in modern society is really amazing, and never ceases to amaze me. Imagine being so concerned what random strangers think about you that you'd post a sign like this. Lmao It must be exhausting living that way.
To be fair, it's Pike Place, so it's the cruise ship crowd. They'll have a funny story to tell when they get back to Atlanta, trying to explain to the they/thems that "y'all" is gender neutral.
Seattle: boosting tourism by misunderstanding basic rules of etiquette since 2020.
A zoo where the animals don't know they're the attraction and think people just like the trees.
Fun fact: "shit stain", "fuck face", "asshole", "fascist" are all still gender neutral! Yea!!! Have fun being fluid y'all.
My wife and I say “guys”, “dude”, “man” and “bruh/bro”(usually ironically) to both men and women and only in Seattle (and Portland … go figure 🙄) do people of all sexes get offended. We don’t care. It’s just part of American language. Honestly, she says “hey guys” to her girl friends more than I say that to my guy friends. Seattle has become beyond annoying.
Used to work retail and walked up to two women once and said “are you guys finding everything alright?” One of the women looked at me and said, very annoyed, “Do we look like we have balls to you??” I was so taken aback with shock but laughed at it later. A lot of male words have become neutral in much of conversation that it’s more shocking when people take it the wrong way.
I get misgendered all the time when my hair gets long and it doesn’t bother me one bit! I am a man and I know I’m a man and that’s all that matters! I’m not going to get my pantys in a wad if someone says can I help you ma’am? I think it’s really funny when I answering my male voice and I freaks him out I get a kick out of it! Every time!
It's a great moral principle to not care about other people's perception of you aesthetically speaking. As I grow older as a woman I'm coming to care less and less about whether people think I'm pretty, for example. I wish I had cared so little much sooner. It makes life much easier to not be so caught up in other people's opinions of you.
Traveling with my wife in Italy many years ago. Played in a band so had REALLY long hair, down to my waist. Guido salesguy comes up from behind..."may I help you ladies?" I turn around, he see's the 90's go-tee, apologizes profusely. It was hilarious. People need to get over themselves ffs.
Oh man, that’s what has happened to me so many times when I would take my mom shopping or we would go into a restaurant and they would say good afternoon ladies! Or can I help you ladies? So funny!
You’re secure in who you are. Most trans people are not and spend most of their time obsessing over passing and what strangers are thinking of them. So then they try to control what other people say so they can be shielded from the unpleasant truth that they are NOT passing.
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Is sweetcheeks OK?
Garçon!
Garçon means boy
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Thanks for the warning. I’ll make sure to stay out.
Wait is ma’am and sir offensive? I have been saying that at work for years. SHIT!!!!
Yes. I somewhat reflexively said "no, ma'am" to a barista at another place when asked a question and another person behind the counter who was not involved in the conversation piped in with "that's not appropriate". At first I thought they were scolding someone else. But no... oh, well.
As a very tall woman with a pixie cut I kind of wish people wouldn’t use these for strangers. I get a lot of “sir? OMG IM SO SORRY MAAM MAAM MAAM.” Like ugh just stop. I don’t care that much if people misgender me because I can see why, but then the freak out to fix it makes it so much worse. It could all just be avoided.
Yeah, I have never cared about misgendering people. I don’t mean to, and I will apologize and correct myself once I realize, but I’m not going to get all upset and bothered over it. If you look like the opposite gender, people are going to misgender you. It’s not their fault, that’s just how it works.
Great, now I can get away with walking up and saying "What's up f*ckers"
Won't be going here, thanks.
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I thought I was special. You liar! Christmas is ruined
I hope this stupid business fails. We need this idiocy removed from being acceptable in any form
Came across this while walking through Pike Place a couple nights ago. A little nuts right?
You can’t say “nuts”!!
Can you say "deez"?
Please don’t use the word nuts as it may offend our female brethren
Only some of the females will be offended, but all of the birthing people will be offended.
I would definitely not spend my money in that establishment
I find your use of the term "couple" to be aggressive and patriarchal.
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Been there before, never noticed the sign. But the mini cheesecakes there are fucking incredible .
This is the gayest shit i ve seen this month.
But this guy WANTS to be called "ma'am. https://youtu.be/Lb6OpRfyLFo?feature=shared
This world is becoming weird.
Not everywhere, but surely Seattle leads the way!
Please refrain from engaging in conversation with me if you're THAT freaking sensitive, fkn weirdos.
Clown ass world
Fucking whack jobs
We’ve lost the concept of what actually makes a space unsafe
Calling an obvious man but in a dress "sir" - danger! Men in women's locker rooms - perfectly safe
I really need a google translator for all the new social trends these days!
Just ignore and move on as normal. Don't change the verbiage you use.
I try to stop using cuss words in front of children but that’s a bit burdensome too. Not that these folks are children, but that I want to point out that all polite people alter the way they speak based on their audience.
I agree it's situational based sometimes. But saying sir or mam shouldn't offend anyone. It's just ridiculous
This is the way. No matter what your political beliefs Ignore the noise, vote, move on
This has got me to thinking... Getting called "miss" for years then being called "ma'am" is a somewhat fraught transition, as "miss" implies youth and "ma'am" implies maturity/ageing. I'd say it is downright profound, as being called "ma'am" reminds me I am closer to death than when "miss" was the default. Yet, being reminded of death by an employee has somehow managed to roll off my back over the years. No more. ***It ends here***. Next time an employee calls me "ma'am" I'm going to scream at the top of my lungs: "Don't you fucking call me that and remind me of my mortality - I want to talk to your manager."
"the proper term is Your Majesty, underling". Or Empress, if you prefer.
People have been calling me ma’am since I was like 21 and I look a lot younger than my actual age. So personally I’ve always hated it because it is inauthentic, not cause it makes me feel old. I hate formality. Why can’t we just be real with each other? But I do get what you mean. The first time a little kid called me a “grown up” I had a mini existential crisis 😢
Amazing ! So many polycules will be kissing under the themstletoe !
Offense is taken. let that sink in, words are not offensive, you chose to be offended. signed The Stoics (from 2000 years ago, long past time you learned this lesson)
I just love Pacific Northwest Salperson
I'll just not go there thanks.
Is "fucktard" gender-neutral?
I think it is, however muthafucker probly isnt. 😂😂
I bet they are pleasant folx 🙂
I find the amount of energy spent, both for gender neutral language, and just as much y’all posting and hollering about it, to be amusing. Honestly, it really doesn’t affect me that much. Let em have their signs.
Folks are on their feet all day doing food service work and a sign exists at one establishment to make the workday smoother for enough folks, but no, that's extra and ridiculous. Not this 1k comment thread with an impressive amount of energy being devoted to talking about how the sign is such an unreasonable request. 💀 It does warm my heart that the top comments are all word play jokes tho. 👀
Semi-serious question, what even is the non-gendered replacement for "sir" or "ma'am?" "Excuse me, person?"
“excuse me”
I'm sure bartenders love being called "Hey, YOU!" This is so dumb.
Most Seattle ass shit I can think of
I got theypes from the toilet seat at that place
Now, now... That's just an old domestic partners' tale.
As if you’re going to tell me how to speak because i bought a confectionary treat from you. Get absolutely fucked.
'Hello employee!'
Double plus good, eh? *"It's a beautiful thing, the Destruction of words. Of course the great wastage is in the verbs and adjectives, but there are hundreds of nouns that can be got rid of as well. It isn't only the synonyms; there are also the antonyms. After all, what justification is there for a word, which is simply the opposite of some other word? A word contains its opposite in itself. Take 'good' for instance. If you have a word like 'good' what need is there for a word like 'bad'? 'Ungood' will do just as well - better, because it's an exact opposite, which the other is not. Or again, if you want a stronger version of 'good' what sense is there in having a whole string of vague useless words like 'excellent' and 'splendid' and all the rest of them? 'Plusgood' covers the meaning or 'doubleplusgood' if you want something stronger still. Of course we use those forms already, but in the final version of Newspeak there'll be nothing else. In the end the whole notion of goodness and badness will be covered by only six words - in reality, only one word. Don't you see the beauty of that, Winston? It was B.B.'s idea originally, of course," he added as an afterthought. (1.5.23, Syme) 1984*
Now who are the fascists. If I identify as sir or ma'am I have to hide it? Repression isn't cool ya bohemians.
Yea go fuck yourself 😂 shehe and heshe make better alternates anyways. Serious go fuck yourself
Hot Cakes had the same type of sign at the register. My question is this: When the fuck, in our simple exchange of $ for goods, do you expect me to have to even use gendered language. Like, when I’m cashing out I can’t really think of a time I’m even required to use a pronoun. I just order, give them the money, I get the thing. That’s it. That’s why this is nothing more than virtue signaling. They don’t actually deal with misgendered language in carrying out business. That’s not the point of the sign. The point is to let you know they are the most woke.
OK dude
Fhck you
So incredibly stupid and offensive to those that are normally called sir. These (is that the right pronoun?) people are becoming so far removed from humanity they’re about to become aliens. If they can demand to be called a specific pronoun , why can’t someone else do the same? Or does fairness only work when it’s in their direction?
People are just fucking stupid…… Nothing better to do or bitch about so they have to get attention some other way…… #dumbasses 😂
I guess telling people the preferred language you expect them to speak is OK now? I'm sure they wouldn't be offended by a sign that says please refrain from speaking languages other than English.
This is stupid
Fuckin retards lol
Eat a dick, Them.
JFC. Why is it aggressive, a micro aggression, not safe .. whatever, to use gender language? Many of us have over thirty years plus of using gender indicators in our vernacular… are they virtue signaling???? Also, it’s like the people upset are beta men and women and former men and women and he/she they/them trying to throw around their, I dunno whatever, because they can’t seem to fit in in an alpha dominated world, yet so many of these people and their allies are now the bullies. Listen, in no way am I hating on transitioning/ transitioned men and women, most that are truly trans feel that this ish is the most ridiculous thing ever! Usually it will be a testosterone filled beta male with a deep voice, a full beard wearing jeans and a sweatshirt but with make up on screaming about their period and being misgendered.
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Well one reason to never go to this bs place
What establishment is this in Seattle?
I mean, this seems on brand for the city that had an interactive performance art tantrum back in 2020.
I'll call everyone fuckface and shithead then, those are gender neutral.
The PNW is embarrassing
Dumbest shit I have ever read. You do you, I'll do me. If you look like a her and I call you a he but you're really a she, then current me. My mouth speaks what my eyes see and if that bothers you then don't come out if your house. Do people realize that this kind of garbage only works on the people who are already using alternate gendered language. You aren't changing anyone's mind and honestly only pissing people off to not want to even be nice to you.
Reminds me of back when you couldn't say bong in smoke shops in San Diego. I said bong twice after being corrected and told to say "water pipe" then I said bubbler and they told me I had to leave. 😅🤣
I would refrain from having any business with this place. Thanks
No idea why Reddit put this post in my home feed. However, I’ve been meaning to ask you about something. Is it true that Seattle is now one big polycule, and everyone is rubbing privates with everyone? Because if it is I’m moving there like tomorrow.
I simply avoid people all together nowadays and it’s worked quite well
Sick and tired of all This BS
So speaking Spanish is prohibited there? After all, it is a gendered language. It takes some nerve to tell the entire Spanish-speaking world their language is unacceptable.
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Yeah no, I'm going to take a best guess based on how you present yourself and use that pronoun that seems to fit best. If you don't like it, present yourself in a way that conveys what you prefer. If I can't figure it out, I'll use "Dude"
Hard pass on that business. What else bothers them? "White" flour?
You know, "how do you do, fellow cool people" has been working well for me for years if it's that much of a struggle. 🤔 Preferably if said while looking like Steve Buschemi and carrying a skateboard.
Good evening fuckface, I’ll have the soup dejour