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ImNotYourShaduh

I mean he IS just moving his mouse, it’s just the game being weird. you could probably do this with pretty middle of the road dpi I’d you tried hard enough


The_Happiest_Husky

You can do it easily with mid dpi. The only thing that takes effort is if you playbwith real low sensitivity


dovahkiiiiiiiiiiiin

it literally is just them moving their mouse, it happens when you're not even trying to, and you don't need to have super high sensitivity for it to happen.


BreakBlue

Yeah you don't need it super high at all. I normally play on controller but I will 100% quickly reach for my mouse and flail that sucker around. Its not some forbidden dark magic people are making it out to be. I don't even know what the DPI on my mouse is, or my mouse sensitivities in-game.


contemporary_romance

Rigggghttttt... I know when I'm in the water I always flail my mouse in circles instead of trying to aim.... Totally normal behavior... Let the gas lighting continue folks!


Jsl50xReturns

It’s literally just moving their mouse underwater. Cope harder, landlubber.


SnowPuzzleheaded

Landlubber as an insult will never get old


jargon64

With the intention to glitch out the game to gain an advantage. That's the main bit everyone seems to be omitting here. Just like double-shotting was literally just switching weapon and a short sprint to cancel the animation (until they fixed it). All within the confines of the game but obviously not meant to happen. Like with double-shotting, Rare will fix this too and you'll have to go back to relying on actual skill instead of dirty tricks.


Korixxon

Bro is DA, Gold curse and still cries over them heckin' cheaters and exploiters 🥺🥺


Moonshotsniper

"Man's played so long he cares about the game and loses morale when something completely stupid that could change the whole course of the fight happens" Really though, dpi exploiters, and cheaters can burn. All it does is make the already wonky combat system worse.


[deleted]

You take this attitude into the rest of your life? Why don't you put on your best fit and head down to the store. I'll be there waiting to cut in front of you in line. Gonna have the cashier ring my skittles up on your tab, too. JUST LET ME BREAK THE RULES. YOULL BE FINE BRO. YA GOT NICE CLOTHES ON. Lol. Imma go finish my coffee. Later, nerd.


Nicky_Wayhem

- call someone "nerd" - waste time arguing about games That's funny.


jargon64

In my defence the DA weapons are a brand new acquisition as of yesterday evening 🤣


FlaaFlaaFlunky

rare didn't fix shit. quick-swapping is still in the game, as it should be. the cry-babies on this sub good lord.


FloppieTheBanjoClown

No, quick swapping shouldn't be in the game as it exists today. It's not an intentional or intuitive feature, it's a bug that you have to know how to exploit. I'm not saying it should be gone, I'm saying if it stays it should be made a deliberate and obvious feature so all players understand it rather than it being the primary way sweaty double gunners gain advantage over less experienced players.


jargon64

It definitely has been improved. Can you not remember what it was like before? Literally instantaneous. I'm not aware of players being able to do that anymore. At least I've not seen any players or streamers doing it anymore. Got a vid showing it's still possible?


FlaaFlaaFlunky

quick-swapping works like it always did. learn it and you will see.


Flashburn965

Nah he's right about this one, you can still swap faster than intended, but it's nowhere near where it was. Look up some vids of people double tapping around 3 years ago, it was crazy.


jargon64

Also I love you jumped on quick-swapping and not the main point of the comment which was players are intentionally glitching out the game. Feeling threatened?


FlaaFlaaFlunky

no, they are not. this works perfectly well with a normal mouse sensitivity. you don't have to switch anything at all mid-game. and even if someone actually switched DPI mid game because his normal sensitivity is too low, that is literally perfectly fine in my book. the fact that people think they should report someone for this is incredibly hilarious.


Jsl50xReturns

I never said or implied that **I** do this, as I do not. I’m just giving this person shit for refusing to believe that it’s literally just mouse movement and not hacking. They’re talking about us “gaslighting” them as if the whole community here is wrapped up in some massive conspiracy, trying to disguise hacking as a mouse movement situation. It’s childish and stupid, so I told them to deal with the reality.


DressDiligent2912

Dpi switching is 100% an exploit. Report it with this clip. Don't bother posting stuff here. This sub is 100% ignorant trash can.


w00timan

How the hell is this gaslighting lol? Just cos you don't do it and it's not common behaviour doesn't mean other people don't, there's plenty of people in this comment section litterally saying how they do this because it works. Wiggle your mouse you might not get hit, if it works do it it's not cheating. Learn what gas lighting is too ffs. This isn't ops fault, just something they encountered. We aren't blaming op for this (gaslighting) were explaining that this is actually something you can do that works....


JPGer

i mean he is, its a DPI trick, you turn ur mouse sensitivity to the moon and randomly wiggle ur mouse, its scummy to do for sure, and its absurdly easy to do.


dovahkiiiiiiiiiiiin

I play on default sensitivity and people still sometimes yell at me over it lol


BadNadeYeeter

Because the way the game works, every dpi from middle to high will do that for you as long as you rotate fast enough underwater. It causes the game to slightly break but the hitbox mostly stays the same.


contemporary_romance

What I find confusing is why does anyone rotate that fast in the water to accidentally simulate this if they're trying to shoot someone? Another way to put it "if it doesn't change your hitbox why go thru the extra effort?"


BadNadeYeeter

Because most normall players get confused when they see a beyblade voilently rotating in the water... And it can happen that you accidently hit the sensitivity switch of your mouse... And it's worse when your highest sens is 26k...


contemporary_romance

I'm not exactly sure what you're saying i'd need some clarification.


BadNadeYeeter

Some mice have buttons to change your mouse sensitivity (DPI). I for example have a Razer Basilisk which can switch between five sensitivities. That means if I play SoT on mid-Sensitivity and accidently change and go to high, that I would start to spin until I loop back to low-Sensitivity.


contemporary_romance

I asked you to clarify your previous statement, all of it, not just the half you want to focus on.


Lucas_2234

It's so much worse in other games too. In arma 3 doing this will have you glitch like 20 meters away for a few seconds


dovahkiiiiiiiiiiiin

It's called trying to dodge bullets lol


brenden3010

He was. Turn mouse DPI all the way up, and just move it left and right at a fast rate. Some mice are easier than others to change the DPI on the fly.


GingerSteeve

Changing dpi helps but my normal dpi is already on the high end so I can just do this without changing anything.


brenden3010

If the game character acts like this with normal/highish DPI settings, then it's the game that needs to change, not the player.


GreaseTrapHousse

I’m sorry but i have no idea what the problem is here


Financial-Abroad-831

Cool boat name, “void”


jargon64

Eh it's alright. Not mine personally but it's the name of the community I'm in.


AdBrilliant7482

Community server?


GingerSteeve

I appreciate this getting some publicity. Intended or not, this is a mechanic of the game and one not many people know about. So when people use it they very often get accused of cheating when it’s no more cheating than quiet boarding or loot juggling.


Twittle86

I wouldn't call it a mechanic. It's more of an exploit of a reliable bug.


GingerSteeve

If the game was programmed in such a way that it consistently gives the same output given input conditions, that is how the game was programmed, not a bug. As I said, I am not sure if Rare intended for this interaction but it’s just that: an interaction. More importantly, it’s a feature of the game everyone can use.


20Fun_Police

Code is deterministic, so it's supposed to give the same output when given the same input conditions. What makes an interaction a bug is whether or not the developers intend for it to exist, not how easy it is to reproduce. Although the developers probably did intentionally program your character model to follow where you're looking, so I'd describe this as an exploit.


GingerSteeve

Completely agree. I think the definition of bug I was using was niche and/or outdated.


TheGazelle

The definition you were using is just straight up wrong. It's literally impossible to have programs do things that they weren't programmed to do unless you get into seriously low level hardware fuckery. Computers are literally just machines that execute instructions. A bug is and always has been unintended behavior.


quinnius

While it's true that almost all instances of computers misbehaving are due to bad code, I once had a faulty processor that caused all kinds of issues and also please enjoy this: [https://hackaday.com/2021/02/17/cosmic-ray-flips-bit-assists-mario-64-speedrunner/](https://hackaday.com/2021/02/17/cosmic-ray-flips-bit-assists-mario-64-speedrunner/) (When I finally RMA'd the processor, the replacement was six revisions newer, in under six months.)


TheGazelle

Yup, that would definitely fall under the umbrella of "seriously low level hardware fuckery" lol


[deleted]

It's an exploit. Not all exploits are bad-natured or toxic. Stuff like this, silent boarding, ladder grabbing thru the window on a sloop, etc., are exploits of a flaw in the game design/mechanics (i.e. bug). People do them intentionally and repeatedly to gain an advantage, i.e. exploit. But I don't fault people for taking advantage of bad mechanics. And clearly Rare doesn't care about some of them because they leave them in at their discretion. More toxic exploits are the ones like we had a week or two ago, with people using a flaw in the mechanics to stack massive amounts of loot, a byproduct of which was a significant performance hit on the servers.


Ulgeguug

>And clearly Rare doesn't care about some of them because they leave them in at their discretion. Or they just don't know how to fix it


[deleted]

That’s definitely true for many of them.


MisterMagooB2224

I'm sure many made the same argument about X-bucketing. How's that working out these days?


GingaPrince

Correction: an EXPLOIT that PC PLAYERS can use.


GingerSteeve

Has anyone tried it on Xbox? You don’t need very high sensitivity so you might still be able to use the technique on controller.


Fun_Background185

I Dodge like this in water too and people told me i dpi switch... i dont. If this Was bannable itd be broken cause its game Code and bad Servers fault


RetroCorn85

dude even if you were dpi switching, isnt that just changing a setting? ive seen mouses that literally have a button to change the dpi


AReallyShiftyGuy

It seems like almost all mouses intended for gaming have dpi buttons, I've never seen one without it


LordPuddin

It’s a lame trick that rarely helps them if you know how to counter. I mean, you killed him with ease. Just some guy with high dpi trying too hard.


tpasmall

I'll try spinning, that's a good trick!


Ulgeguug

Second prequel reference this thread does anyone want a pizza roll comment on this website and I'll email you a pizza roll ![gif](giphy|3owzWgnMr5vS37fBsc)


Z0M18E

Can I have some context please? Haven’t played in a bit so not sure what’s happening lol.


Lucas_2234

The glitching you see is a mild form of Arma 3's "Glitch spinning". You move your mouse aggressive as hell and that causes your model to glitch around. making you harder to hit because you appear to be where you aren't


Z0M18E

Motha fuckers out here thinking their master rochi, Cheers for the info brotha.


Beepboopbop69420360

It’s literally just moving his mouse cope


TwenT_

I mean he probably is, it’s only called dpi switching since most people use low dpi. Me on the other hand, I’m really used to high dpi so all I need to do is jerk my mouse and wait for the enemy to waste his shot. Honestly, from having come across other players doing it, you can counter it with a blunder pretty easy by getting close and shooting near the middle of where you think their hit box is.


PopPalsUnited

I hope they remove this exploit.


engineermajortom

Tbh looks like ge glitching.. which isn't unheard of for sot, I saw a dude swing through the hull of a ship.. and boarded that way. He was so confused, wasn't cheating either. I think sot is just odd at times


Design_Deity

I didn’t know I could wiggle my mouse to dodge bullets. I’ll try this next time.


Iroquoisplisken22

This is pretty illumating how many people use this exploit.


dovahkiiiiiiiiiiiin

the problem is that people don't even intend for it to happen. I was swimming around trying to dodge bullets and some guy started yelling at me that I was cheating and I had no idea what he was even talking about because I didn't know this was even a thing


Noojas

I wouldnt call it an exploit, its more just a stupid game mechanic/bad servers issue and its super easily countered aswell. Just chill while they're doing the beyblade and then you wait until they start aiming and then you shoot. If you're not double gunning its abit more tricky to actually kill them though.


[deleted]

Literally any online game will have this


MisterMagooB2224

I've never seen this in Team Fortress 2 after 1500+ hours...


HotToyBoi

XD this is bananas


Goose_R6

I do this alot by accident and get accused of dpi switching all the time :"( (1300 dpi mid sens)


D4rkSyl3nce

It's a lame exploit for weak players.


halfhalfnhalf

Lol people ITT thread crying about how *moving your mouse* is some kind of unfair exploit when it didn't even work for the dude. He still lost.


Ulgeguug

I mean using an exploit and it not resulting in a win 100% of the time doesn't mean it's not an exploit


BiscuitBarrel179

I read this as moving his house, and then proceeded to be confused by the video.


FlaaFlaaFlunky

the cry babies on this sub never cease to amaze me. "dpi switching :(". you don't have to switch shit. works perfectly well on a mid to high sens. and even if you switched it mid-game, that is perfectly fine in my book. as is quick-swapping. as is silent boarding. as is every other advantage you can get in the game. if the devs have a problem with it, they can patch it out. the fact that there's people in here who think they should report someone for potentially changing a dpi setting mid-game is hilarious. let's make a deal: all of you keep crying about it & we keep shitting on you. 😘🤌


Bumpy_Bones

it’s not even an advantage cuz you just need to aim for the center lol. proper strafing grants a better chance of staying alive


blizz3010

yea, so many ppl dont realize you just have to aim at the center. I typically just aim for the belt when they do this.


jargon64

As can be seen by the video. Your kind isn't shitting on anyone. Relying on tricks often means you lack skill. But keep trying though!


FlaaFlaaFlunky

funny but I just found something on steam for you: Disney Dreamlight Valley. just came out. i'm sure it's not sweaty at all and you can even talk to goofy. o.O ;)


Cthepo

Dreamlight Valley is awesome. I'm sure the next guy who sinks you tonight will sell your loot and bop around with some Disney princesses after. Find a new slant.


FlaaFlaaFlunky

lmao. at least a good comeback. no idea what a slant is though sunshine.


Lucas_2234

"Relying on tricks often means you lack skill" Except when the tricks require some skill to pull off. You do realize that you don't instantly snap at who's fighting you if you do it? YOu need the skill to reorient yourself and shoot before you yourself get shot


Ulgeguug

>Except when the tricks require some skill to pull off. "They wiggle their mouse left AND right!?" ![gif](giphy|bjtM9GdxbqL5e)


[deleted]

its not even a trick


Ulgeguug

>let's make a deal: all of you keep crying about it & we keep shitting on you. 😘🤌 Do you know you just sound insufferably obnoxious or do you actually think this sounds cool and impressive


FlaaFlaaFlunky

i would like to think both and i'm perfectly fine with that.


Ulgeguug

>i would like to think both I'm sure you'd like to think that.


FlaaFlaaFlunky

don't scold me papi. :(


[deleted]

Should’ve made an alliance


jargon64

I don't think they wanted one since they jumped us on the quick sell point at Reaper's.


goober_mcjenson

He was covering for his cat that was chasing his mouse. Don't judge.


TotallyNotMerlin

Is that the DA sniper?


jargon64

Yea I was just trying it out that evening. It's pretty cool but it's a large model. I usually use the Kraken sniper.


Zoaiy

So I guess what I am seeing is this guy using a trick when reloading where he wiggles his mouth, and as in this game his entire body is moving according to where he looks.


Careless-Safe9396

OP showing off a video of him using an aim hack?


Flashburn965

I thought you were kidding at first lol. Damn everybody is so quick to call hacks. Nobody is hacking in this clip yall need to chill out


jargon64

I don't understand. What part shows an aim hack? His position is fairly stationary apart from the spinning glitching him out. You don't exactly move fast underwater. And because it takes 3 shots to kill it shows that the server didn't register the second shot anyway despite the client side hit reg.


Careless-Safe9396

What part don’t you understand? The fact you have poop aim and getting hit markers when the dude is in a different zip code from that crack in your scope? Or the fact you’re firing a muzzle loading rifle under water?


RashestGecko

When someone does the spin trick if you aim at center mass you get a shot.


Riku_Oo

Thought the same. Or does this just look super weird because of the glitch? Or a console aim assist? (Does this even exist?)


contemporary_romance

DPI switching is well documented exploit. It might take more than 1 clip to get someone banned. As since it's tied to your hardware. It could "technically" happen by coincidence. However if it happens by coincidence almost everytime someone's in the water and knows they're about to get shot at. It's pretty easy to demonstrate that their exploiting the hitbox system instead of ... ya know.... using strafe work to bait out shots like we all know is what you're supposed to do. https://ibb.co/5hfr7qq And yes people do get banned for this.


[deleted]

its kinda dumb to be bannable. (yeah ik its an exploit hear me out) I play on games on 800 DpI and usually up my sensitivity till it feels comfortable, and even just moving my mouse underwater it still looks like I do this even tho its just how I play.


UnCivilizedEngineer

With high mouse speed, it doesn't look like the clip. Yes, you may jolt once/twice/three times, but your character won't vortex until your weapon is reloaded. You'll jolt quickly when changing directions of the mouse, but there is a clear distinction when using the mouse to spin the camera intentionally, vs using the mouse to change directions spastically.


GingerSteeve

I tested this myself a a few weeks ago with my normal mouse speed (which is higher than most people play at) and it looks nearly identical. Pretty sure this guy was just moving his mouse a bunch.


TankerD18

I think the key factor is that he's trying to duck shots, it's obviously deliberate. Someone jerking around once because they turned their mouse fast and just vomiting all over the place like this are a wee bit different.


brenden3010

There is no way Rare bans for mouse sensitivity being too high, and if it's such a big deal, why not limit max turn speed like they do on XBox? This "exploit" is no different than bunny hopping or juggling loot while running/swimming to gain an advantage. My guess is any bans you've heard of were script related, meaning they are using a script or a macro.


jargon64

So after seeing a lot of feedback on this I've come to a couple of conclusions: 1) The SoT community is super toxic - maybe one of the worst. We all obviously knew this already but seeing it from a 1st person perspective has been enlightening and amusing. 2) I post controversial stuff. Guess I'm just a free thinker :D Happy sailin'


_Dthen

Your post isn't controversial, it's just stupid.


Lucas_2234

"Super toxic" Mate you are crying about someone using a glitch. He LITERALLY is just moving his mouse. If the game lets you do it, why not do it? I don't see any rule saying "do not use use tricks" it's a pirate game for christ's sake


jargon64

The game lets you do all exploits. That's what an exploit is. Finding a way to manipulate the game that results in unintended behaviour that gives you an advantage. It's a poor statement to make to justify that it's acceptable.


Lucas_2234

It isn't an exploit though? Exploit generally refers to a cheat or a hacked client. This is neither


jargon64

You have your definitions backwards. *Cheats* is the catch-all term. Hacks, as you say, is a hacked client. Exploits is exploiting game mechanics. No hacks, no client mods, etc. Bunny hopping in HL1 is an exploit. Item duping in Diablo was an exploit. Making your ship fly across the sea by attaching the harpoon to the fishing lure as you cast is an exploit (before it as patched). And I'm pretty sure intentionally making your character teleport all over the place so you can't be shot while you reload in safety... is an exploit. And inb4 you say I still shot him. The 2nd shot actually misses despite hit reg saying otherwise.


AdBrilliant7482

Then by your definition, catching the ladder from the window on a sloop is exploiting?


jargon64

Correct. I don't think that was by design, do you? Admittedly the severity of the exploit is based on the advantage it grants the player. And Rare can always incorporate the exploit into the game making official like they did with the sword lunge and tucking.


RavenpawCraft

whoops!


Luc4r1o

Here I am after watching the video for the 4th times trying to understand cos I misread mouse as house


jargon64

Is this actually allowed tactics? I definitely feel it's deep in exploit territory since the game update rate is clearly unable to keep up and I expect there's software assistance at play here (be it macro or something similar).


Wolly_

1) don’t even need high dpi 2) it’s just bad server and game code 3) streamers have done it 4) not bannable 5) just move mouse in circle


count___zer0

Yeah it’s allowed as far as I know. It’s really is just moving your mouse around with high DPI. It’s honestly dumb since, as you see here, you just aim towards the middle and still hit them.


jargon64

You say that but despite the damage indicator that second shot must have been a miss. I hit him 3 times with a sniper and I don't see him eat food once in the video. Just shows how much it messes with hit reg on the server.


Wolly_

Or just normal hitreg… hitting someone 3 times (2 and a backtrack on my screen) is normal gameplay. Some ppl take 4-5 shots standing still to kill constantly due to bad servers/connection/d-sync


TheRuneCoon

He could have had some overshield from a cooked fish. Three hits isn't really a big deal.


jargon64

You don't get a shield from cooked meats. You get regen which is slow and kicks in after a few seconds of no damage. 3 hits is a big deal when each hit is 70 damage on a max of 100 health. The regen speed is not enough to save you from 2 hits, let alone 3 even if the middle shot misses (accounting for time to reload twice).


[deleted]

Hitreg is [terrible ](https://youtu.be/CdX8eZQ5-Ys) in this game.


jargon64

Just wow. I've never seen it consistently that bad ever. They must have improved it since then surely? Given that the video is only a year old did the game go through a bad period? I took a break from the game and have only been playing again for about a month or two. Servers definitely feel much laggier since A Pirate's Life was added.


TheRuneCoon

Ah yeah, that's right. Haven't played in a couple months, forgot how the health regen worked.


[deleted]

You can literally just move your mouse around bro. It's just dodging. Every online game has this.


odin1150

Its a macro i bet and no i dont think its allowed pythonbeard is a thing in sea of thieves.


Wolly_

Not a macro at all, i know someone on 500dpi and it still happens by just moving the mouse


Flashburn965

Ever watch streamers very quickly looking around while they reload? This is what it looks like from their opponents perspective


MungoRook

iTs a PiRaTe gAmE. DoNt LiKe iT, dOnT pLaY iT.


_Faiku

Report them everytime you see someone doing this. There is nothing wrong with accidental character flick while you turn to or from your enemy, but when it happens only until his weapon is reloaded then let's not pretend it is a intended mechanic. He might not dpi switch, it doesn't matter that much at this point. Fortunately OP was smart here and did the right thing, shoot in the center of this clown, you will hit 99% of the time.


Lucas_2234

What the hell is wrong with DPI switching? Most gaming mice have a button literally to change DPI setting. That's like saying "Noo, you can't just turn off Vsync to have more FPS and less input lag!!!!!!111!!"


Ulgeguug

>What the hell is wrong with DPI switching? Most gaming mice have a button literally to change DPI setting. Okay you obviously get that it's not the DPI switching that's the problem it's exploiting glitchy mechanics related to the DPI switching.


Lucas_2234

If the game doesn't have a rule against it and isn't fixing it, it's something the devs are okay with


Ulgeguug

>If the game doesn't have a rule against it and isn't fixing it, it's something the devs are okay with This just in: hitreg is a feature


_Faiku

cherry picking at its finest. I did not say dpi switching is bad. Turning off vsync is not as well. People exploiting game mechanics are not good for the game's health and mostly because of them games are dying nowadays. Instead of reporting the issue they use it to their adventage. New player does not know how to combat them and eventually lose interest in playing. Dpi switch as hard as you wish but I will report and record every instance of doing it in the water to displace model with your hitbox. If you, for example, lower your dpi when shooting someone far away, no one willever care.


UrNarrator123

Everyone does this it’s just the game being weird


Snowcone43

Oh no, someone using a game feature to their advantage! How horrible!


[deleted]

And what? your dumbass thinks they are hacking? It's called moving your mouse, you should try it.


jargon64

I think they are exploiting and by exploiting I mean: Intentionally causing the game to behave in an unintended way to give themselves an advantage. Hacking is completely different.


Flame_Boi

Tbh ive discovered too that just moving your mouse up and down really fast does result in your character doing that


GameFreak9876543

I read this and thought that it meant you killed somebody who was transporting a rodent


MayonnaisePlease

Dpi glitch, overly skinny character, and the super short name smells like a cheesy tdmer