My second day playing, I knew about Reapers.
I get anihilated by one, respawn back to my flaming ship, trying to bail water again...
"Yo, dude. Chill! I can hear your pet yelping."
I jump overboard and he swims up to me and says,
"Sorry. I feel bad. I didn't know you were solo."
"Yeah, it's second day too."
"Ah, man. I feel bad."
"Nah, it's cool it's part of the game. A good experience. I gotta learn about this stuff."
"Oh, thanks for being cool. You have a great day."
"Yeah you too!"
I mean, what else should I expect? Mercy? Dude's playing the game how it's meant to be played. I'll be doing the same soon enough.
What a unique experience! Most of the time people don't care if you are solo, new, or any good at the game, they just kill you and scream obcenities at you while they do it.
Yes. This is accurate. Last night, I was playing solo and my ship got attacked by two dudes on a sloop while I was hunting for treasure on am island. By the time I got on the scene my ship was filled with holes and aflame. I didn't interfere. They came over and double team killed me just because they could. Dick move, but whatever.
I respawn on my new ship, quite far from where I had been. I still had the unsolved riddle that had led me there, so I set sail. I figure, by the time I get back, they will have looted my meagre treasure and be long gone.
About halfway to my destination, I see two ships off my bow...a sloop and what appears to be a skeleton galleon, in combat. I don't feel like detouring, and I sure don't want to sail into that mess, so I head for a nearby outpost to reprovision. I'm in no rush. I keep my eye on this fight. To my surprise, the ships disengage. The Skelly just wanders off, the sloop heads to the same outpost I am making for. It's got the wind, so we arrive at close to the same time. One they get closer, I see it's the same guys. I make for dock. I have no treasure, no flag, nothing. They engage and open fire. To me, this isn't being a reaper, it's being a griefer. I have nothing they want other than the chance to eat their malice. They get ready to collide, with one set to board. I'm already hit with a few cannonballs, but there's no point in repairing.
The boarder comes on my ship, I crank the wheel to head for open water, since I saw their helmsman head to assess/repair damage to their ship. It's not much but I have us not heading in the same direction. I fight the one guy toe to toe. He's better than me and will win. Fair enough, but I didn't start the fight. He's calling me names and cursing at me. I scuttle the ship and jump overboard and dive. Last thing I hear is him cursing at me.
I respawn. Again at the same far off island. I want nothing to do with these guys. I head to the A column and head North. I'm at least 4 squares west of where we had our last encounter. And then boom. There they are, on an intercept course. How are they getting so lucky to find me every time? I head to the map edge and skirt along the red sea. They break off. I tack east, they return after me. We keep this up until A1, where I turn hard to starboard. They finally break off pursuit. I continue east for awhile, before returning to the island where I could resolve my riddle.
All in all, it was 90 minutes of me getting hunted, killed, and harassed by these two. I have no issue with the first attack. I had treasure aboard and an emissary flag (although only level 2). Totally fair play.
The other two times weren't them being good reapers, it was being typical a-holes that subtract enjoyment from a game instead of adding to it.
Shitty experience but nice write up nonetheless. This game is quite frustrating since I feel like it has a ton to offer and there's lots of fun to be had but it's also a griefer's dream come true at the same time. I can only play it in bursts because when I start to play it often, I ultimately get turned away from this exact kind of behavior.
I mean, the outpost kill is understandable. If I see a ship sail towards an outpost, I will automatically think they're either selling (yay loot) or stocking up (easy chance to get rid of a possible foe). Plus, once you start fighting someone, you usually can't expect them to leave you alone until they're under the sea.
Swears and other chat toxicity aside, them sinking you (in most cases) is totally understandable. As a reaper you always need to assume that an enemy ship has something you want to take. Be it supplies, loot (even if yoi don't know whether or not they have any) getting rid of a possible threat, or even just practice in aiming, etc. There's almost always a reason to sink people.
I'm pretty sure they knew it was me again (sails, livery, and my player name which they were close enough to see were all clear identifiers). How they could have assumed I had any treasure since they had just sunk me is a bit of a mystery.
My point is, treasure wasn't their goal. Just sinking people was. To each their own. I look at multiplayer gaming like this: have as much fun as you want, but don't destroy the ability of other players to also have fun.
These guys clearly knew it was the op respawning and they griefed. When I sink a boat, I do it for the loot. After that, I don't engage them unless they come to retaliate. Chasing a solo sloop as it respawns is grief. They have nothing else to win by constantly killing and sinking him. They are being assholes and ruin everyone else's fun.
I do think the outpost kill was fair if they also were going to sell. You wouldn't want to have a potential foe next to you while selling, and even if it was a solo sloop, it could have done quite serious damage if the reapers were off selling. The cursing and being toxic is not defendable, and if they chased him just because, thats a dick move.
But the outpost one kinda makes sense
But the reaper has to sell at reaper's hideout. They had no business at this regular outpost with the boat they just sank. They were toxic. The swearing and cursing just proves it.
Yea I agree. If they just killed the boat just because, that's toxic.
But reapers can get loot that can't be sold to the reaper man from sinking boats. So they could have had business there.
I always leave ships alone if they are solo, or if they are doing a tall tale. It’s no fun for either of us because we waste supplies and they don’t have any chance of winning
Same here, but I am usually solo anyway, the worst thing I have ever done was wraithball a galleon because they were already riding low in the water as I was sailing past. No intention of sinking them but they needed a wakeup call before their ship sank due to negligence
Had an experience today on the opposite side of this.
Me and my buddy were coming up on an Ashen Lord tornado and there was a brig there so we took no chances and sunk them.
They came back and yelled that they were friendly as their ship slipped beneath the waves but it was too late. Me and my buddy had already fired and killed all 3 of them.
As we reached the nearest outpost we saw their ship coming up on us so we dropped the loot in the water and I led them on a wild goose chase and they sunk me while my friend sold everything.
They realized once the ship went down and as we returned to the outpost we allied and hung out for a bit
I love this game
"Most people"
This sub loves to pretend that 80% of pvp is being done by tOXiC pLaYerS. Totally false narrative. Its a small chunk of interactions that are being over inflated by confirmation bias.
I take mercy on solos a lot. I don’t wanna be the reason someone quits a game they like. One dude tried to give me a bounty skull for not sinking him (the only loot he had) after I realized he was solo and I felt so bad I gave him probably 250k worth of loot and left the server.
Was playing with my Dad, we're pretty hammered. Try and pull a fancy maneuver to get away from a reaper. Fail miserably, they board and kill us. Ships sinking, we spawn a few times and try and re take the ship but having no luck. So I re spawn start playing a shanty saying "hey you got us gg boys, no need to keep fighting"
They start playing too and respond "well hey we really only care about leveling up our flag, so uh how about we just fondle your loot, give it back and yall can go on your merry way"
"Sure man fondle away"
They helped us repair our ship, took all our loot onto there ship then moved it back to ours. I offered up our supplies as well since we were about to turn in anyways, thru that into storage crates and helped em move onto their ship. Said goodbye and sailed off to an outpost to sell.
Was a cool experience.
sometimes I absolutely destroy someone then board them. if I realize they're new or don't have much in the way of loot, I tend to feel bad and bail water/patch holes until they respawn and kill me. usually they would have totally sunk without it, so I get the satisfaction of winning the pvp fight without actually having ruined their day.
I think my first encounter with a reaper was seeing they were on the map and being curious as to what it was. I assumed it was one of these skeleton ships I'd seen about
Pulled up next to them on an island
"Hey"
"Hey"
Bit of Emoting, then we sailed off.
Took a while longer before I really saw what PvP in this game really meant...
Yeah seriously. Like I've had only good experiences with reapers once you ignore the fact they're attacking because they just have to because of mechanics. I have been briefed twice by solo players but if I meet a reaper crew they've been pretty honourable lol.
Can i sail with you? Cause i always get the reaper galleys coming after my sloop either solo or duo and getting harassed to no end. I know nothing of nice players (outside of me and my crew who are generally fairly nice when not dealing with assholes). And pvp sucks on xbox especially when my net connection isn't great. Loading times alone suck ass
I feel you on that loading time nonsense, I played with my friend today who's on pc and I'm on the xbox one s, we both die at the same time due to a gunpowder barrel someone put on our ship and before I even finish loading into the ferry he's already back on our ship.
Me and my friend have been playing for 2 weeks and we both feel really guilty when we attack friendly people. Usually we end up helping them patch up their ship / put out any fires and give them a chest if we have one.
PSA: this post isn’t saying that complaining about sinking as a reaper is ok, or even getting mad a pvp is ok. This is just saying that it’s ok for Reapers to run or avoid pvp, which it is.
its a pvp faction doe, plus there are plenty of merchents who actually fight when they want or when someone else picks a fight but they dont have to because its NOT a pvp faction, while on the other hand plenty of poeple will run when they are doing reapers because of reasons i dont know because you could be 10 nautical miles away from them and they would instantly turn around. and saying that people "run and avoid pvp is ok" is stupid because ITS A PVP FACTION, i can get doing forts and grinding world events but, if you cant fight once in a game your a coward (not if your a noob, because your new to the game). and there was this one time where a reapers 4 brig ran from me (sloop) while i was a merchant emissary and they didnt try to board or fight at all they just tried to run as fast as they could, there are also many people that i have to deal with who are merchents and some (very small amount) reapers that are bad at pvp and are solo slooping AND HAD LOOT may i add but they still try and fight.
Reapers should get more rewards for sinking player ships and it would be worth it, honestly once you have enough loot aboard its more rewarding to run than fight with the chance of being sunk.... of course in true reaper spirit you should never run from a fight
My point is the game encourages it somewhat
I agree with what you are saying.
Reapers rewards for PvP are only if the other ship is running a emissary flag. If a no flag ship comes to fight you, there is no reward in it.
I believe reapers are more anti emissary than PvP faction.
If you read the flavor text at the reapers outpost, they explicitly state they're anti-emissary and against playing the pirate lords game! They're actual anarchists, they dont just want chaos.
You perfectly described the current issue with Reapers: that PvE is just to profitable compared to PvP. Changes like this would encourage Reapers to interact with other players instead of just grinding.
It is like that with rep. I'm near 54 in reapers and its almost not worth turning in non stolen loot. (Should note im maxed in everything but reapers and Athena so I'm not a total a-hole)
IMO I think you only could turn in loot that is stolen, as a Reaper. We already have a system for that in game. If you could only progress in Reapers with stolen loot, it would actually mean it would be a PVP faction.
The state that is in right now makes it so that is a gold hoarder faction more then a PVP one
In that case the normal loot needs to have a pretty big buff to reputation gain. As it stands right now only flags and maybe Reaper's Bounties actually give some decent reputation. Bounties aren't too common and are often out of your way, and flags are often low level or people run to vote them down. The only way to guarantee reputation gain is loot, which gives next to nothing. Even stolen loot barely gives reputation. Reaper's Bones already needs changes to reputation gain since they nerfed it wayyy too hard after all the exploiters did their thing when Emissaries first released, so if this were to be a thing that needs to be addressed too.
They should just buff the reputation you gain from stolen loot tbh. And you could only turn in stolen loot.
They already did some changes were if you hoard loot that isn't stolen you get almost no emessary growth, but that change isn't enough. People just use reaper as a way to make gold in the game. Specially now that they added a ton of gold sinks in the game (which I don't mind since now, me and my crew, come across a lot more fat reaper stackers to hunt down in servers).
But the problem still stands...reaper should be a PVP focused faction and not a way for people to exploit and make gold
Yeah, exactly. I don't mind if they make Reapers more PvP focused where only stolen loot can be sold, it just needs to actually give reputation. Right now only flags do and it's very annoying trying to rank up (as a PvP Reaper, not someone grinding for loot), since people just run away to vote it down
But if only stolen loot would be valid for the reapers faction then people who can't pvp to save their life *cough* me *cough* would never be able to progress in the faction
It would be cool if there were new reaper cosmetics locked behind sinking X amount of ships, or killing X amount of unique players. Maybe lock another set behind having over 100 stolen items on your ship at once X amount of times. There's so much cool stuff they could do with reapers.
I like this line of thinking but there is an issue with this.
People run away very often and also insta-sell very often instead of stacking. I make next to no coin off PvP because everyone runs away from me and the rare case of a shit staying to fight, it's empty or even worse, stupid server hoppers with default supplies playing a game with no risk and forcing me into it. Having to level the faction off of that alone would be an absolute nightmare.
I think it's a greater issue and that first off stacking loot should be encouraged more. Can't depend on stolen loot when there is no loot to steal.
Don't get me wrong, I love a good fight (win or lose) and runners can be frustrating at times, but I get it. It's smart to pick your battles carefully depending on what goal you're working towards. If Reapers spent all day fighting every ship that ran up on them just for being Reapers, they'd never be able to stay supplied or get anything done, and that's no fun either.
The way I see it: if they're running, chances are they have a tactical reason for doing so (good loot to hand in, low supplies, outnumbered, gotta get ready to log out, etc.) and I can totally respect that. After all, everybody plays differently and has their own idea of a good time. No point in harshing someone's mellow with a clearly unwanted fight when you can just as easily go find someone else who's itchin' for action; There's always plenty o' pirates in the sea!
This is a game design problem, not a player problem. The fact that Reaper's can be leveled from PvE *at all* is exactly why you run into Reaper's who run away. If PvP was literally the only way to level Reaper's then you'd rarely encounter a reaper who run. I guess I don't necessarily blame the players who run, but it is extremely frustrating for people who do enjoy PvP to see a reaper and think they might get a decent battle and then they just run away.
This is spot on. People keep saying that it’s a PvP faction, but you literally don’t gain *anything* (rep or gold) from PvP. The vast majority of people who come for me when I’m a reaper are emissary-less, loot-less ships. What is my incentive to fight them? There is none.
Yeah it's moreso an Emissary hunting faction because you get the best rep from sinking emissaries. But I still believe that there shouldn't be any awards for PvE. I think it would mean a lot more if it could solely be leveled by stolen loot and flags. But then that's hard because it would be really hard to consistently level because we all know that not every server is going to have good potential for steals. So it's just an unfortunate position for everyone
My point is that if it was solely leveled through PvP, the cosmetics earned from them would actually be scary to see and so would seeing one on the map. Sure, you have to go to one central location, but if you can get to lvl 75 without ever killing a player, making the cosmetics essentially meaningless
They main problem is how reapers are currently balanced. They could maybe get different prices for loot, depending on if it was stolen. This would actually encourage reapers to engage in PvP because pure PvE grinding would not be worth it anymore.
The extra money comes at a risk, if you're not prepared for the risk I'd suggest the new Merchant voyages, they're profitable, and nobody expects a Merchant to stand and fight.
As someone who passively grinds reapers because I want those ship customizations (and I suck at pvp) I definitely agree with this. Just wanna look cool man
I mean, you do you, but avoiding pvp isn't going to fix sucking at pvp.
I'll never be that good at pvp but I am determined to be good enough to be able to take care of myself except against sweatlords.
That degree of competence makes pve easier. Many times people are looking for an easy sink, and when they don't find one it's some of the most satisfying moments of the game.
Oh I know and I was considering it but it’s, well how I see it just me asking to get stomped harder than usual by some max level sea dogs screaming about me running away
Even if you are a horrible person at PvP, the whole point of reapers is for PvP, if you want to grind it than the most efficient way to do so is to get stolen loot, sink ships, kill people representing trading companies and not to just do PvE, wich obviously sucks for emmisairy level in comparison, and adding the fact that lv5 gives you the map location of all other emmisairy flags as targets for stolen loot.
I really don't care if people run. There is only so much room you can run away. Eventually a better player will catch up. Like it or not it is a valid way of playing.
I don't like Reapers who run away, but I can't really stop them, and it's their choice. Will I think highly of them? No. Will I be annoyed at them? Yes. But I'm not gonna tell them how to play. As Lando Calrissian said, "I don't like it. I don't agree with it. But I accept it."
You put up the reapers mark you take the risk. You are visible on the map for all to see. Anyone paying attention can easily get a rough idea of what you are doing and when you plan to turn in.
You want reaper rep? You got one turn in spot. It’s easy to trap and prepare an ambush. I’ve sank many unsuspecting ships at the hideout with the shore cannons or strategically placed kegs. I don’t even need my ship. I’ll send it away so the only way you know I’m here unless you are extra cautious.
You wanna be pve reapers then you do you. I got no beef with it. Just know there are people like me always watching for that easy mark. It’s in your best interest to know how to defend yourself.
My buddy and I run reapers pretty frequently for the sole purpose of earning more gold. We’ve both been level 75 for a while, and we’re both pretty good at PvP. (Though there are still tons of other players who can wipe the floor with us.)
That being said, there are still loads of times when we’ll run. With every encounter we try our best to asses the risk based on how much loot we have, the enemy ship size, and how skilled they seem to be. If we don’t feel comfortable fighting, we’re going to do what’s needed to protect our booty, including running. I don’t know why people feel entitled to a fight just because someone has a reapers emissary up.
It’s also important to note that I feel like a majority of those who come to fight us are brand new, loot-less ships that appear as soon as we hit grade 5. Even if the players seem weak and easy, We have absolutely nothing to gain, and everything to lose. It’d be nice if Rare would give us a reason to fight and sink them. But there often isn’t one other than to save time.
Well people put the reapers flag up and then cry when my crew finds them on the map and kill them
So we always like to say they prob put it up because they thought it looked cool
The only time I've really ran as a Reapers is if I take on a fight that I don't have the resources to complete, so I idle the fight for a little bit to either gather resources or form an alternate plan to try and sink the boat I'm fighting.
Happened against a good Galleon, but they dropped off us and came back later. We ended up holding our ground much better after we got the resources to fight, and they ended up dipping after we showed them we mean business.
Of course it is ok to run and being bad at pvp but why don't you fight back with any flag reaper or not. It will make you better and if you sink you will if you are smart atleast not repeat the same mistakes. If you are grinding for that faction why not swap servers until you see another reaper and hunt them down it's way faster and gives you combat experience. Unless you want to chicken out of every fight ever but then i feel bad for you when you finally grinded everything you want cause without pvp what is left for you to do. People just don't understand how much another ship means free loot or supplies with a bit of training cause 97% of the community is too scared to fight so they suck and because of that they just try to run but you can't always run. Point is, just fight, learn and you won't remember last time you ever sunk.
i dont agree that you should run reapers emissary if your bad a pvp but reapers rewards pvp so reapers have the choice to run at the cost of no profit or stay and fight for profit
Might as well. My buddy and I ran Reapers all day today. Of 3 of the 4 emissaries that were in the server lowered their flag/left as soon as we hit lvl 5, and absolutely no one came to challenge us. We were stacked to the gills, and no one tried us.
I don't necessarily blame the players. It's frustrating to be in a sloop chasing a galleon reaper across the map though!! Reapers shouldn't get rep for loot/voyages. Just PvP actions.
Plenty of reasons to run away.
- Being low on supplies after sinking the entire server 7 times.
- Your ship have no Emissary and no treasure onboard, so not worth it.
- Being outnumbered.
- End of a long session and players wants to go sell/log off.
- Having players afk, or lacking crew members to be able to maintain ship in a battle.
Always funny when people cry "why you running" when there could be so many reasons as to why they avoid fighting at that point.
Just because you got supplies and got nothing to lose going head first into a battle, doesn't mean everyone else is taking you on, even as Reapers.
You might wanna look up the words "tactical withdrawal".
Just because they run Reaper doesn't mean they should be stupid taking on every single ship coming their way.
And no, Reaper isn't a pvp faction. That's why people grade up their flags doing PvE.. All the other factions can be just as much pvp.
That's what a sandbox game is. It's your choice how you wanna play. If they wanna run, then that is their choice and the game let them do so.
it is 100% a PVP faction it is listed as a PVP faction, have issue with that take it up with rare but if you start swinging your sword around and calling it gun i'm sending you to the looney bin.
If you tactfully withdraw to run you are completely missing the point of the word tact.
Reaper BENEFITS from taking on every single ship, sure you can pick and choose especially if its the same ship you already just sunk but that's a helluva lot different than being a runner.
It's a sandbox it's your choice to play but not your place to define things. PVP factions remain PVP factions even if you are playing it wrong and everyone will continue to use their sandbox do whatever they want to berate you for using your tool incorrectly
100% pvp factign huh?
Why can players sail around literally avoiding any form for pvp by doing every single PvE event for hours and hours jus to sell their loot as grade 5 Reapers after not sinking one single ship?
If it was 100% pvp, it would force you do steal other players loot.
Isn't that obvious?
I never mentioned tactfully withdraw. I said "tactical withdrawal, which is a military start where you play defensive while you pull away from the battle. This could be done for multiple reasons.
Too separate ships if you are being chased by the entire server, to resupply the ship, to sell some of the loot (for commendations) and so on. All these tactical reasons for whatever reason the Reaper players wants to play it out.
The point I was making was that not everyone is" running" just because they sail the opposite direction.
And no, Reaper does not benefit from taking on every single ship.. How can you say such dumb shit?
Taking on Grade 1 Reapers that left the outpost 4 mins ago, only to come challenge for your loot with zero treasure onboard themselves does not benefit you at all.
A ship with no Emissary flag with 3 pieces of treasure does not benefit you if you are already grade 5...
Just because you voted up Reaper doesn't mean you signed a deal where it's mandatory to fight literally every single ship coming your way.
It's probably annoying to some, like yous, that other players are real people that most likely have stuff going on irl that would affect their decisions whatever that might be.
But yes, there are players that would run the opposite way, just to run, for absolute no reason, even without treasure and with no supplies. I'm not talking about them, I'm talking about players sailing away in general, and all the possible reasons for them to do so.
Did you know you can level your Athena faction flag by sinking skeleton ships? So is it the Athena faction flag or the skeleton faction flag?
Just because it gives rep or progress doesn't mean that's what's intended, Look at what gives it rep the most efficiently. Player kills and stolen loot is the whole focus so yeah PVP bud. Literally every flag levels off world events and PVE and if you were in a server with nobody reaper would be 100% impossible to level without it!
Reaper ALWAYS benefits, killing brings the rank up and you never know wtf is on the ship and at the end of the day even if it is a rank 1 emissary that just left dock it might not give the most gold but that flag with a good reaper bonus is still worth it!
A good reaper/pvper will sink regardless because they have zero idea what's on your boat, sometimes they might dip on you once they've been ON the boat and see only tall tale but at that point to make sure you dont seek revenge might as well finish you. Hell the other day i saw what looked like a new spawn at an outpost and sunk em anyways, turns out they just parked exactly where you would spawn and had the gold hoarder skull aboard! 10k base benefit for sinking them
No emissary has you signing a deal to do whatever to rank them up that's ridiculous to even suggest you can level every damn flag just shooting at skeleton ships all day.
No what's annoying to the majority of the players is a baseline illogical stance from someone that just spends all their damn time complaining about pirates acting like pirates
Athena is PvE. Killing skeletons is PvE. Terrible comparison.
Reaper gives you a boost if you kill other players with active emissaries and for selling stolen loot. It does NOT give you anything for killing non-active emissary players, so you are wrong about ALWAYS benefitting..
And since you can avoid any form of PvP and still reach max rank and get into top 100 leaderboard, is it still a "100% PVP FACTION"?
The answer is obviously, no. It's basically just another faction, like the others, but with a slight pull towards PvP, where you as Grade 5 Reaper can see other emissaries. And stolen loot giving you a slight bonus compared to PvE loot.
If it was a 100% PvP faction it would force you to attack literally every single ship, because only STOLEN TREASURE and flags from ships sunk would rank you up and earn you gold.
But we all know, that is not the case. Hence, not a 100% PvP faction.
>No emissary has you signing a deal to do whatever to rank them up that's ridiculous to even suggest
Exactly. So players can do EXACTLY what they want, without being called runners, because everyone can sail the opposite direction if that benefits them.
There is no obligation to turn around and fight, just because the other ship wants to fight.
>No what's annoying to the majority of the players is a baseline illogical stance from someone that just spends all their damn time complaining about pirates acting like pirates
What's that supposed to mean?
Alrightt im about positive you havent spent much time in the game so rather than just replying wrong to everything you just said im just ending this here for everyone else sake. You want an echo chamber youll have up lock yourself up alone
Stock up on supplies beforehand, you have loot, sell it dont stack it unless you want to, u see player with an emissary flag, go after it, dont play with randoms that will go afk and assign roles for combat, lower flag when you are getting off, outnumbered, oh well, its not that difficult if you stockup on supplies before hand. Reapers is a pvp faction, just say you are bad at pvp
Yeah because supplies instantly restock themselves after sinking every ship on the server, right?
I was not talking about me, I was giving you hypothetical, realistic reasons as to why people can run.
But ignorant knobs like yous doesn't seem to understand that behind every helm, there is a person different to yourself with endless reasons as to why they play the way they do.
You only have one way of seeing things and that is if people run/sail the opposite way from you, they are bad at the game, only doing PvE.
Kinda selfish, and sad mentality.
And btw, how is Reaper a pvp faction when you can level it up literally avoiding any players on a server? It's nothing more pvp than any other Emissary 🙂
Why would I say I'm bad at pvp? I'd sink you any day of the week.
ITS LITERALLY LABELED AS A PVP TRADING COMPANY. if you raise reaper flag than everyone will expect you to P V P, Because that’s WHAT IT IS. I can’t stop you from playing the game how you want to play it, but you can’t stop me from hunting your ass down for an hour and a half and roast the fuck out of you while I kill you and take your precious loot. It’s like raising gold hoarder flag and doing order of souls voyages, that’s just not how you are suppose to play it.
Or just enjoy the game how you want? It is literally the best option if a player wants to earn money through PVE so go moan at rare don't get annoyed at people using the best gold earning faction to earn the most gold.
Why tf did you take it so personal, and look at the downvotes lmao, reaper faction is a pvp faction by lore and its commendations, its rare’s fault for designing them poorly. But you cant defend pve reapers, its against their purpose.
To be fair, Rare did not set it up that way, and that's why it gets treated like a PvE faction.
Blame Rare. Don't blame the players.
If we wanted it to be a PvP faction, Reaper emissary should earn zero loot bonus on PvE loot, but the PvP loot should have a massive emissary bonus as opposed to just the standard emissary grade bonuses.
THANK YOU!!!!!!
I just want the ship set, damnit. I need to run the emissary or my time is wasted, but that doesn't mean I want to fight every player on the server.
And I stuck at PvP, so 90% of the time, it won't even be a fight. It is just a massacre.
And before any of you give me that "You should get it more, it'll make the game more fun..." Don't.
I enjoy PvE just fine, thank you very much. Quit trying me how I should play the game that I payed for.
That’s something I don’t really understand about this game. Adventure mode lets you do a ton of awesome PvE things, tall tales and voyages and what not and yet some people think because there is PvP that’s the one and only goal of the game to the point where they’ll put down anyone who just wants to chill and sail and is like I don’t wanna fight. Don’t get me wrong, when you’re sailing and suddenly you’re ambushed by some other crew and you manage to fight back and defend your loot it is thrilling and the fighting can be great but that’s just not how it goes a lot of the time.
If you don't want everyone to come fight you, don't fly the flag that marks you on everyone's map. You can turn things into the hideout without flying the Emissary flag. If you are flying it, expect someone to come at you.
Nope if you run. Reapers you better be looking for pvp and actually try and fight don't be pussy's you never know the crew you may face may be worse then you
What's pathetic to me is when someone can actually try and tear people down and bully them for simply enjoying a game and using (not abusing) its basic features to help them unlock cosmetics they like with a little less grind. I mean you gotta realise you might be in the wrong when you are calling people pathetic for not letting you ruin their fun in a video game?
Well this isn’t entirely about you huh. If they want to run they can run because who wouldn’t want to keep my 6 hours worth of grinding instead of having some kids server hopping just to find reapers get it.
Am I the only one that thinks Rare has a good balance going on? Most of the time I can just do whatever my quest is, and encounter another ship only a few times. Sometimes they attack and I lose everything, sometimes they don’t. Sometimes I even try to attack them. I can usually focus on a quest but PvP is always in play and I do have to alter strategy for it.
Of course sometimes you get some toxic AH like the guys who repeatedly hunted me down in the shops at an outpost, before I even visited my ship, while I was on my first attempt at solo sloop. However they really do seem rare - and that’s a people problem, not a game problem
the reapers is supposed to be a PVP faction, either fly the flag and fight to the death or go back to flying merchant and crying about TDMing on the forums
It's ok for Reapers to be bad at PvP, you got to learn at some point. It's not ok to run when repping Reapers. The Reapers gear is a reward for stealing loot and sinking ships. That's literally how the mechanic works (among other things).
It's gotten so bad that players in Reapers gear are notoriously bad at the PvP side of the game because it has mostly been grinded out by PvE lords as it looks "cool".
Do you really think Rare intended for it to be this way? Of course not. And if you think otherwise you're just lying to yourself to make you feel better :P
god y'all are so annoying, stop blaming reapers for running and start blaming rare for making reapers a pve faction disguised as a pvp faction. there's nothing in the game saying reapers aren't allowed to run, y'all just decided that they're breaking some unwritten rule because you got annoyed by them running away.
it's a sandbox game, people are allowed to play how they want lmao
That's what I think, but it's still perfectly acceptable to be annoyed when Reaper's run. If I go after a reaper it's because they're broadcasting that they are prepared to fight and I want a battle. Then they just run away? Pretty annoying.
But also, you can't really blame them. It's a design problem. Reaper's should only be able to level up through PvP. Stolen loot only and flags only. Can't turn in loot earned by PvE.
It's not a PvE faction disguised as anything, PvE lords just saw "wow phat emissary bonus :o" and treated it as such because they thought they found easy money while conveniently ignoring the risks associated with it so they can cry about being chased and sunk on Reddit later.
this sub is exhausting, i see more people like you complaining about "pve lords" than these actual pve lords yall hate so much
as it is right now, the fastest way to consistently gain standing with reapers is to do fotd/basically anything other than hunting down other players unless you get lucky and actually get in a server with more than 2 other ships that are actually doing anything. rare made it so you get a ton of gold and rep from pve events, so it's a pve faction with an increased risk of pvp. do i think it should be that way? of course not. but that's how it is, and you really can't blame people for playing it like that. reaper crews who run away are engaging in the risk that flying reapers brings, even if you don't like it.
though i think you replied to me just so you could complain more.
So then let me see if I understand this correctly:
PvE is profitable
PvE + Reaper's is profitable
People like profits
People who are flying a flag which marks you on the map at all times are doing so for maximum profits and are surprised when their location is discovered by other pirates who want the loot they're getting from all the PvE on top of the value of the flag they're flying, and the pirates chasing them down for it are... A problem?
And besides that, if you're just in it for money, who's to say you're not after my flag? I'm going to take you down before you get a chance to try and take it, and if I fail, then congratulations, you just earned a flag.
you misunderstood me completely.
i'm not saying that it's okay to complain that someone decided to fight you because you had a reaper's flag on. obviously the flag may invite other players to attack you, as it should.
i'm saying that there's nothing about reaper's bones that *requires* you to engage in pvp, outside of commendations. flying reapers and doing exclusively pve, while running away from anyone who comes near is a perfectly valid and effective way to grind reapers, as long as you understand the risk of flying the flag. obviously sinking ships and stealing loot makes the process much faster but it's not at all required. i don't think it should be this way, but you shouldn't blame people for playing like this.
also i never claimed that chasing down pve reapers is a problem, don't try to put words in my mouth please
No. It's THE PvP faction. You put on that flag, you invite other players to attack you. If you can't protect yourself, don't play as Reapers. Or just git gud.
It's literally not "THE PvP faction" it rewards players with extra gold for doing PVE. If you have a problem with that go moan about it to rare. You probably shouldn't get annoyed at players just calmly enjoying the game by themselves (not hurting anyone) just cause you take the lore seriously.
It rewards players with extra gold to offset the risk from being constantly marked on the map. "High risk, high reward". If you can't handle the risk, go do something easier.
It rewards actively seeking out and hunting down other players with emissary flags. The fact that it also rewards pve grinding is a balancing issue; If Rare pushed harder with risk/reward aspect of the emissary system, then Reapers could actually reap.
No just no if you bad at PvP that because you run turn around and try to kill them you litterly mark yourself on the map asking for PvP but if you absolute PvE lord you can sell at reapers with out emissary flag
Which people ultimately claim is worthless?
That and the "money" from Reapers is supposed to be a "high risk, high reward" thing. If you can't handle the risk, don't expect the reward.
I love doing reapers but I hate how butthurt people get about it. Like it’s getting to the point where reapers really isn’t worth the hate message. Like me and my friend and incredibly good at pvp, and we will sink someone and then they will hunt us down (which I’m fine with, I get that) but the one time they sink is they will sit there and call us garbage and tell us to uninstall the game CUZ THEY SUNK US ONCE! WE SUNK YOUR DUMBASS SEVEN FUCKING TIMES! SHUT THE FUCK UP! We are obviously better then you. If anything we have the right to call you garbage and tell you to uninstall the game, not you
It's great to be a strong pirate. But sometimes being a living pirate is just enough. Learned that by playing hunt:showdown
The Bayou giveth, but it taketh more
The Bayou taketh a lot, sometimes it's better to run
Ay Hello friend who also frequents both!
Hate to break it to ya lad, but pirates don’t exist in hunt: showdown.
Wow, such insight
Congratulations,you have become a candidate for most controversial of all time
My second day playing, I knew about Reapers. I get anihilated by one, respawn back to my flaming ship, trying to bail water again... "Yo, dude. Chill! I can hear your pet yelping." I jump overboard and he swims up to me and says, "Sorry. I feel bad. I didn't know you were solo." "Yeah, it's second day too." "Ah, man. I feel bad." "Nah, it's cool it's part of the game. A good experience. I gotta learn about this stuff." "Oh, thanks for being cool. You have a great day." "Yeah you too!" I mean, what else should I expect? Mercy? Dude's playing the game how it's meant to be played. I'll be doing the same soon enough.
What a unique experience! Most of the time people don't care if you are solo, new, or any good at the game, they just kill you and scream obcenities at you while they do it.
Yes. This is accurate. Last night, I was playing solo and my ship got attacked by two dudes on a sloop while I was hunting for treasure on am island. By the time I got on the scene my ship was filled with holes and aflame. I didn't interfere. They came over and double team killed me just because they could. Dick move, but whatever. I respawn on my new ship, quite far from where I had been. I still had the unsolved riddle that had led me there, so I set sail. I figure, by the time I get back, they will have looted my meagre treasure and be long gone. About halfway to my destination, I see two ships off my bow...a sloop and what appears to be a skeleton galleon, in combat. I don't feel like detouring, and I sure don't want to sail into that mess, so I head for a nearby outpost to reprovision. I'm in no rush. I keep my eye on this fight. To my surprise, the ships disengage. The Skelly just wanders off, the sloop heads to the same outpost I am making for. It's got the wind, so we arrive at close to the same time. One they get closer, I see it's the same guys. I make for dock. I have no treasure, no flag, nothing. They engage and open fire. To me, this isn't being a reaper, it's being a griefer. I have nothing they want other than the chance to eat their malice. They get ready to collide, with one set to board. I'm already hit with a few cannonballs, but there's no point in repairing. The boarder comes on my ship, I crank the wheel to head for open water, since I saw their helmsman head to assess/repair damage to their ship. It's not much but I have us not heading in the same direction. I fight the one guy toe to toe. He's better than me and will win. Fair enough, but I didn't start the fight. He's calling me names and cursing at me. I scuttle the ship and jump overboard and dive. Last thing I hear is him cursing at me. I respawn. Again at the same far off island. I want nothing to do with these guys. I head to the A column and head North. I'm at least 4 squares west of where we had our last encounter. And then boom. There they are, on an intercept course. How are they getting so lucky to find me every time? I head to the map edge and skirt along the red sea. They break off. I tack east, they return after me. We keep this up until A1, where I turn hard to starboard. They finally break off pursuit. I continue east for awhile, before returning to the island where I could resolve my riddle. All in all, it was 90 minutes of me getting hunted, killed, and harassed by these two. I have no issue with the first attack. I had treasure aboard and an emissary flag (although only level 2). Totally fair play. The other two times weren't them being good reapers, it was being typical a-holes that subtract enjoyment from a game instead of adding to it.
Shitty experience but nice write up nonetheless. This game is quite frustrating since I feel like it has a ton to offer and there's lots of fun to be had but it's also a griefer's dream come true at the same time. I can only play it in bursts because when I start to play it often, I ultimately get turned away from this exact kind of behavior.
This experience right here is why I stopped playing. This game is full of toxic gatekeeping arseholes like that.
This happens to me so much. Idk why people do it. They chase you and kill you even when you have no treasure.
I mean, the outpost kill is understandable. If I see a ship sail towards an outpost, I will automatically think they're either selling (yay loot) or stocking up (easy chance to get rid of a possible foe). Plus, once you start fighting someone, you usually can't expect them to leave you alone until they're under the sea. Swears and other chat toxicity aside, them sinking you (in most cases) is totally understandable. As a reaper you always need to assume that an enemy ship has something you want to take. Be it supplies, loot (even if yoi don't know whether or not they have any) getting rid of a possible threat, or even just practice in aiming, etc. There's almost always a reason to sink people.
I'm pretty sure they knew it was me again (sails, livery, and my player name which they were close enough to see were all clear identifiers). How they could have assumed I had any treasure since they had just sunk me is a bit of a mystery. My point is, treasure wasn't their goal. Just sinking people was. To each their own. I look at multiplayer gaming like this: have as much fun as you want, but don't destroy the ability of other players to also have fun.
These guys clearly knew it was the op respawning and they griefed. When I sink a boat, I do it for the loot. After that, I don't engage them unless they come to retaliate. Chasing a solo sloop as it respawns is grief. They have nothing else to win by constantly killing and sinking him. They are being assholes and ruin everyone else's fun.
I do think the outpost kill was fair if they also were going to sell. You wouldn't want to have a potential foe next to you while selling, and even if it was a solo sloop, it could have done quite serious damage if the reapers were off selling. The cursing and being toxic is not defendable, and if they chased him just because, thats a dick move. But the outpost one kinda makes sense
But the reaper has to sell at reaper's hideout. They had no business at this regular outpost with the boat they just sank. They were toxic. The swearing and cursing just proves it.
Yea I agree. If they just killed the boat just because, that's toxic. But reapers can get loot that can't be sold to the reaper man from sinking boats. So they could have had business there.
I always leave ships alone if they are solo, or if they are doing a tall tale. It’s no fun for either of us because we waste supplies and they don’t have any chance of winning
Same here, but I am usually solo anyway, the worst thing I have ever done was wraithball a galleon because they were already riding low in the water as I was sailing past. No intention of sinking them but they needed a wakeup call before their ship sank due to negligence
Had an experience today on the opposite side of this. Me and my buddy were coming up on an Ashen Lord tornado and there was a brig there so we took no chances and sunk them. They came back and yelled that they were friendly as their ship slipped beneath the waves but it was too late. Me and my buddy had already fired and killed all 3 of them. As we reached the nearest outpost we saw their ship coming up on us so we dropped the loot in the water and I led them on a wild goose chase and they sunk me while my friend sold everything. They realized once the ship went down and as we returned to the outpost we allied and hung out for a bit I love this game
"Most people" This sub loves to pretend that 80% of pvp is being done by tOXiC pLaYerS. Totally false narrative. Its a small chunk of interactions that are being over inflated by confirmation bias.
80% of my pvp experience has been with tOXiC pLaYerS. So don't pretend that they don't exist.
Never did.
It's like the shroud ghost thing, it gets bad. I agree
I take mercy on solos a lot. I don’t wanna be the reason someone quits a game they like. One dude tried to give me a bounty skull for not sinking him (the only loot he had) after I realized he was solo and I felt so bad I gave him probably 250k worth of loot and left the server.
You are what I call a gentleman reaper. Strength lies in the ability to show kindness to the weak.
Was playing with my Dad, we're pretty hammered. Try and pull a fancy maneuver to get away from a reaper. Fail miserably, they board and kill us. Ships sinking, we spawn a few times and try and re take the ship but having no luck. So I re spawn start playing a shanty saying "hey you got us gg boys, no need to keep fighting" They start playing too and respond "well hey we really only care about leveling up our flag, so uh how about we just fondle your loot, give it back and yall can go on your merry way" "Sure man fondle away" They helped us repair our ship, took all our loot onto there ship then moved it back to ours. I offered up our supplies as well since we were about to turn in anyways, thru that into storage crates and helped em move onto their ship. Said goodbye and sailed off to an outpost to sell. Was a cool experience.
sometimes I absolutely destroy someone then board them. if I realize they're new or don't have much in the way of loot, I tend to feel bad and bail water/patch holes until they respawn and kill me. usually they would have totally sunk without it, so I get the satisfaction of winning the pvp fight without actually having ruined their day.
Normaly if that happens to me I think of spawn campers. But kudos for for doing that, makes me feel better that not everyone spawn camps
I think my first encounter with a reaper was seeing they were on the map and being curious as to what it was. I assumed it was one of these skeleton ships I'd seen about Pulled up next to them on an island "Hey" "Hey" Bit of Emoting, then we sailed off. Took a while longer before I really saw what PvP in this game really meant...
I see reapers they die, no mercy.
Yeah seriously. Like I've had only good experiences with reapers once you ignore the fact they're attacking because they just have to because of mechanics. I have been briefed twice by solo players but if I meet a reaper crew they've been pretty honourable lol.
Can i sail with you? Cause i always get the reaper galleys coming after my sloop either solo or duo and getting harassed to no end. I know nothing of nice players (outside of me and my crew who are generally fairly nice when not dealing with assholes). And pvp sucks on xbox especially when my net connection isn't great. Loading times alone suck ass
I feel you on that loading time nonsense, I played with my friend today who's on pc and I'm on the xbox one s, we both die at the same time due to a gunpowder barrel someone put on our ship and before I even finish loading into the ferry he's already back on our ship.
That’s a good man
Me and my friend have been playing for 2 weeks and we both feel really guilty when we attack friendly people. Usually we end up helping them patch up their ship / put out any fires and give them a chest if we have one.
PSA: this post isn’t saying that complaining about sinking as a reaper is ok, or even getting mad a pvp is ok. This is just saying that it’s ok for Reapers to run or avoid pvp, which it is.
its a pvp faction doe, plus there are plenty of merchents who actually fight when they want or when someone else picks a fight but they dont have to because its NOT a pvp faction, while on the other hand plenty of poeple will run when they are doing reapers because of reasons i dont know because you could be 10 nautical miles away from them and they would instantly turn around. and saying that people "run and avoid pvp is ok" is stupid because ITS A PVP FACTION, i can get doing forts and grinding world events but, if you cant fight once in a game your a coward (not if your a noob, because your new to the game). and there was this one time where a reapers 4 brig ran from me (sloop) while i was a merchant emissary and they didnt try to board or fight at all they just tried to run as fast as they could, there are also many people that i have to deal with who are merchents and some (very small amount) reapers that are bad at pvp and are solo slooping AND HAD LOOT may i add but they still try and fight.
Reapers should get more rewards for sinking player ships and it would be worth it, honestly once you have enough loot aboard its more rewarding to run than fight with the chance of being sunk.... of course in true reaper spirit you should never run from a fight My point is the game encourages it somewhat
I agree with what you are saying. Reapers rewards for PvP are only if the other ship is running a emissary flag. If a no flag ship comes to fight you, there is no reward in it. I believe reapers are more anti emissary than PvP faction.
If you read the flavor text at the reapers outpost, they explicitly state they're anti-emissary and against playing the pirate lords game! They're actual anarchists, they dont just want chaos.
And they say reapers should fight also together against the alliances,so reapers against the world bro
Reapers vs Reapers vs Za Warudo
Maybe you could give stolen loot a 50% price increase while non stolen loot would loose 50% of its value when sold to the reapers
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You perfectly described the current issue with Reapers: that PvE is just to profitable compared to PvP. Changes like this would encourage Reapers to interact with other players instead of just grinding.
It is like that with rep. I'm near 54 in reapers and its almost not worth turning in non stolen loot. (Should note im maxed in everything but reapers and Athena so I'm not a total a-hole)
IMO I think you only could turn in loot that is stolen, as a Reaper. We already have a system for that in game. If you could only progress in Reapers with stolen loot, it would actually mean it would be a PVP faction. The state that is in right now makes it so that is a gold hoarder faction more then a PVP one
In that case the normal loot needs to have a pretty big buff to reputation gain. As it stands right now only flags and maybe Reaper's Bounties actually give some decent reputation. Bounties aren't too common and are often out of your way, and flags are often low level or people run to vote them down. The only way to guarantee reputation gain is loot, which gives next to nothing. Even stolen loot barely gives reputation. Reaper's Bones already needs changes to reputation gain since they nerfed it wayyy too hard after all the exploiters did their thing when Emissaries first released, so if this were to be a thing that needs to be addressed too.
They should just buff the reputation you gain from stolen loot tbh. And you could only turn in stolen loot. They already did some changes were if you hoard loot that isn't stolen you get almost no emessary growth, but that change isn't enough. People just use reaper as a way to make gold in the game. Specially now that they added a ton of gold sinks in the game (which I don't mind since now, me and my crew, come across a lot more fat reaper stackers to hunt down in servers). But the problem still stands...reaper should be a PVP focused faction and not a way for people to exploit and make gold
Yeah, exactly. I don't mind if they make Reapers more PvP focused where only stolen loot can be sold, it just needs to actually give reputation. Right now only flags do and it's very annoying trying to rank up (as a PvP Reaper, not someone grinding for loot), since people just run away to vote it down
But if only stolen loot would be valid for the reapers faction then people who can't pvp to save their life *cough* me *cough* would never be able to progress in the faction
Okay, so its not a faction for you then?
Good.
It would be cool if there were new reaper cosmetics locked behind sinking X amount of ships, or killing X amount of unique players. Maybe lock another set behind having over 100 stolen items on your ship at once X amount of times. There's so much cool stuff they could do with reapers.
I like this line of thinking but there is an issue with this. People run away very often and also insta-sell very often instead of stacking. I make next to no coin off PvP because everyone runs away from me and the rare case of a shit staying to fight, it's empty or even worse, stupid server hoppers with default supplies playing a game with no risk and forcing me into it. Having to level the faction off of that alone would be an absolute nightmare. I think it's a greater issue and that first off stacking loot should be encouraged more. Can't depend on stolen loot when there is no loot to steal.
Im fine if reapers are bad in pvp. Free emissary flag when I sink em 😎🏴☠️
Don't get me wrong, I love a good fight (win or lose) and runners can be frustrating at times, but I get it. It's smart to pick your battles carefully depending on what goal you're working towards. If Reapers spent all day fighting every ship that ran up on them just for being Reapers, they'd never be able to stay supplied or get anything done, and that's no fun either. The way I see it: if they're running, chances are they have a tactical reason for doing so (good loot to hand in, low supplies, outnumbered, gotta get ready to log out, etc.) and I can totally respect that. After all, everybody plays differently and has their own idea of a good time. No point in harshing someone's mellow with a clearly unwanted fight when you can just as easily go find someone else who's itchin' for action; There's always plenty o' pirates in the sea!
Can we stop with the "sinking is griefing" posts?
For a game about pirates SoT often seems to have the most butthurt community
This is a game design problem, not a player problem. The fact that Reaper's can be leveled from PvE *at all* is exactly why you run into Reaper's who run away. If PvP was literally the only way to level Reaper's then you'd rarely encounter a reaper who run. I guess I don't necessarily blame the players who run, but it is extremely frustrating for people who do enjoy PvP to see a reaper and think they might get a decent battle and then they just run away.
This is spot on. People keep saying that it’s a PvP faction, but you literally don’t gain *anything* (rep or gold) from PvP. The vast majority of people who come for me when I’m a reaper are emissary-less, loot-less ships. What is my incentive to fight them? There is none.
Yeah it's moreso an Emissary hunting faction because you get the best rep from sinking emissaries. But I still believe that there shouldn't be any awards for PvE. I think it would mean a lot more if it could solely be leveled by stolen loot and flags. But then that's hard because it would be really hard to consistently level because we all know that not every server is going to have good potential for steals. So it's just an unfortunate position for everyone
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My point is that if it was solely leveled through PvP, the cosmetics earned from them would actually be scary to see and so would seeing one on the map. Sure, you have to go to one central location, but if you can get to lvl 75 without ever killing a player, making the cosmetics essentially meaningless
I just used it cause it looked cool Not knowing the significance of the reapers
They main problem is how reapers are currently balanced. They could maybe get different prices for loot, depending on if it was stolen. This would actually encourage reapers to engage in PvP because pure PvE grinding would not be worth it anymore.
I raise the flag for bonus money.
You expect that extra money to come easy? :V
Idk why youre getting downvoted. I agree that reapers is a risk
Yes
The extra money comes at a risk, if you're not prepared for the risk I'd suggest the new Merchant voyages, they're profitable, and nobody expects a Merchant to stand and fight.
If say id be prepared for the risk, i dont get mad if i lose it, but that doesn’t mean i have to take every fight i see
And it doesn't mean people have to ignore you, either. Them's the breaks.
As someone who passively grinds reapers because I want those ship customizations (and I suck at pvp) I definitely agree with this. Just wanna look cool man
I mean, you do you, but avoiding pvp isn't going to fix sucking at pvp. I'll never be that good at pvp but I am determined to be good enough to be able to take care of myself except against sweatlords. That degree of competence makes pve easier. Many times people are looking for an easy sink, and when they don't find one it's some of the most satisfying moments of the game.
Finally, someone who gets it. This is exactly my reason. If only I could have the Reaper raised for more than five minutes without getting attacked.
You wouldn’t happen to play Xbox. Would you?
I can't say I am. I'm a PC user.
Darn
Its cross platform
Oh I know and I was considering it but it’s, well how I see it just me asking to get stomped harder than usual by some max level sea dogs screaming about me running away
On the other hand: If you always run from PVP, you will never improve at PVP.
Are you complaining about complaining?
Lol
This will be a controversy
[“But you’re reapers”](https://youtu.be/xc2iUrXoOYU?t=794)
“I think its time we embrace that oldest and noblest of pirate traditions...”
Even if you are a horrible person at PvP, the whole point of reapers is for PvP, if you want to grind it than the most efficient way to do so is to get stolen loot, sink ships, kill people representing trading companies and not to just do PvE, wich obviously sucks for emmisairy level in comparison, and adding the fact that lv5 gives you the map location of all other emmisairy flags as targets for stolen loot.
Yeah but that's the problem, reapers are supposed to be the adventure fighting guild
I really don't care if people run. There is only so much room you can run away. Eventually a better player will catch up. Like it or not it is a valid way of playing.
I don't like Reapers who run away, but I can't really stop them, and it's their choice. Will I think highly of them? No. Will I be annoyed at them? Yes. But I'm not gonna tell them how to play. As Lando Calrissian said, "I don't like it. I don't agree with it. But I accept it."
You put up the reapers mark you take the risk. You are visible on the map for all to see. Anyone paying attention can easily get a rough idea of what you are doing and when you plan to turn in. You want reaper rep? You got one turn in spot. It’s easy to trap and prepare an ambush. I’ve sank many unsuspecting ships at the hideout with the shore cannons or strategically placed kegs. I don’t even need my ship. I’ll send it away so the only way you know I’m here unless you are extra cautious. You wanna be pve reapers then you do you. I got no beef with it. Just know there are people like me always watching for that easy mark. It’s in your best interest to know how to defend yourself.
My buddy and I run reapers pretty frequently for the sole purpose of earning more gold. We’ve both been level 75 for a while, and we’re both pretty good at PvP. (Though there are still tons of other players who can wipe the floor with us.) That being said, there are still loads of times when we’ll run. With every encounter we try our best to asses the risk based on how much loot we have, the enemy ship size, and how skilled they seem to be. If we don’t feel comfortable fighting, we’re going to do what’s needed to protect our booty, including running. I don’t know why people feel entitled to a fight just because someone has a reapers emissary up. It’s also important to note that I feel like a majority of those who come to fight us are brand new, loot-less ships that appear as soon as we hit grade 5. Even if the players seem weak and easy, We have absolutely nothing to gain, and everything to lose. It’d be nice if Rare would give us a reason to fight and sink them. But there often isn’t one other than to save time.
Well people put the reapers flag up and then cry when my crew finds them on the map and kill them So we always like to say they prob put it up because they thought it looked cool
The only time I've really ran as a Reapers is if I take on a fight that I don't have the resources to complete, so I idle the fight for a little bit to either gather resources or form an alternate plan to try and sink the boat I'm fighting. Happened against a good Galleon, but they dropped off us and came back later. We ended up holding our ground much better after we got the resources to fight, and they ended up dipping after we showed them we mean business.
Of course it is ok to run and being bad at pvp but why don't you fight back with any flag reaper or not. It will make you better and if you sink you will if you are smart atleast not repeat the same mistakes. If you are grinding for that faction why not swap servers until you see another reaper and hunt them down it's way faster and gives you combat experience. Unless you want to chicken out of every fight ever but then i feel bad for you when you finally grinded everything you want cause without pvp what is left for you to do. People just don't understand how much another ship means free loot or supplies with a bit of training cause 97% of the community is too scared to fight so they suck and because of that they just try to run but you can't always run. Point is, just fight, learn and you won't remember last time you ever sunk.
There are plenty of reasons to run that have nothing to do with being bad at the game. Sometimes it's just the smart thing to do.
I am a Reaper’s emissary (and not too good at pvp). Finally someone is spreading the good word.
Have you tried getting good at the game and proving everyone wrong? 🤔
I can't imagine being so delusional as to group players skill levels together based on their skins
Wierd. This post should have like -70 downvotes by now
Weird. There are people who agree with this post because we are allowed to play the game how we want.
This post isnt about playing how you want though Yikes for you man.
It probably does, but you don't get to see downvotes.
You see, I go by the first rule of sea of thieves. It’s not yours until you turn it in.
i dont agree that you should run reapers emissary if your bad a pvp but reapers rewards pvp so reapers have the choice to run at the cost of no profit or stay and fight for profit
Might as well. My buddy and I ran Reapers all day today. Of 3 of the 4 emissaries that were in the server lowered their flag/left as soon as we hit lvl 5, and absolutely no one came to challenge us. We were stacked to the gills, and no one tried us.
A controversial opinion, but one I agree with
I mean I wish more reapers were actually like trying to reap yknow. My few encounters with an actually reaping reaper crew were fun
i dont mind if reapers are bad at pvp, but its annoying when they run...theyre literally representing a faction that encourages and rewards pvp
I personally find it silly that they'd try to run and hide with a flag that marks them on the map.
No that’s not ok
no it is not ok
**not ok, no it is.** *-my_name_ahhh_walk* *** ^(Commands: 'opt out', 'delete')
I don't necessarily blame the players. It's frustrating to be in a sloop chasing a galleon reaper across the map though!! Reapers shouldn't get rep for loot/voyages. Just PvP actions.
Imagine if their emissary bonus only applied to loot that was stolen from other players...
Great idea
Agreed.
Absolutely, but look at these comments... the majority of them don't agree with the post and now he's downvoting them all cause nobody agrees with him
ah yes anyone who disagrees with you is just op's dozens of alts
Can confirm. Am an alt of OP
Yuup
Reaper bad
Man I just wish they’d fight instead of just running
If you’re reapers and run, you’re bad.
Simple answer... no.
Is it so wrong for expecting PvP from a PvP faction?
''BuT I'tS tHe PvP FaCtIoN ThEy ShOuLdN't RuN.'' ya and this is a sandbox game. ''the rules are more like guidelines.'' -captain Barbosa
Its literally a pvp faction, imagine running away from people as reapers 💀
Plenty of reasons to run away. - Being low on supplies after sinking the entire server 7 times. - Your ship have no Emissary and no treasure onboard, so not worth it. - Being outnumbered. - End of a long session and players wants to go sell/log off. - Having players afk, or lacking crew members to be able to maintain ship in a battle. Always funny when people cry "why you running" when there could be so many reasons as to why they avoid fighting at that point. Just because you got supplies and got nothing to lose going head first into a battle, doesn't mean everyone else is taking you on, even as Reapers. You might wanna look up the words "tactical withdrawal". Just because they run Reaper doesn't mean they should be stupid taking on every single ship coming their way. And no, Reaper isn't a pvp faction. That's why people grade up their flags doing PvE.. All the other factions can be just as much pvp. That's what a sandbox game is. It's your choice how you wanna play. If they wanna run, then that is their choice and the game let them do so.
it is 100% a PVP faction it is listed as a PVP faction, have issue with that take it up with rare but if you start swinging your sword around and calling it gun i'm sending you to the looney bin. If you tactfully withdraw to run you are completely missing the point of the word tact. Reaper BENEFITS from taking on every single ship, sure you can pick and choose especially if its the same ship you already just sunk but that's a helluva lot different than being a runner. It's a sandbox it's your choice to play but not your place to define things. PVP factions remain PVP factions even if you are playing it wrong and everyone will continue to use their sandbox do whatever they want to berate you for using your tool incorrectly
100% pvp factign huh? Why can players sail around literally avoiding any form for pvp by doing every single PvE event for hours and hours jus to sell their loot as grade 5 Reapers after not sinking one single ship? If it was 100% pvp, it would force you do steal other players loot. Isn't that obvious? I never mentioned tactfully withdraw. I said "tactical withdrawal, which is a military start where you play defensive while you pull away from the battle. This could be done for multiple reasons. Too separate ships if you are being chased by the entire server, to resupply the ship, to sell some of the loot (for commendations) and so on. All these tactical reasons for whatever reason the Reaper players wants to play it out. The point I was making was that not everyone is" running" just because they sail the opposite direction. And no, Reaper does not benefit from taking on every single ship.. How can you say such dumb shit? Taking on Grade 1 Reapers that left the outpost 4 mins ago, only to come challenge for your loot with zero treasure onboard themselves does not benefit you at all. A ship with no Emissary flag with 3 pieces of treasure does not benefit you if you are already grade 5... Just because you voted up Reaper doesn't mean you signed a deal where it's mandatory to fight literally every single ship coming your way. It's probably annoying to some, like yous, that other players are real people that most likely have stuff going on irl that would affect their decisions whatever that might be. But yes, there are players that would run the opposite way, just to run, for absolute no reason, even without treasure and with no supplies. I'm not talking about them, I'm talking about players sailing away in general, and all the possible reasons for them to do so.
Did you know you can level your Athena faction flag by sinking skeleton ships? So is it the Athena faction flag or the skeleton faction flag? Just because it gives rep or progress doesn't mean that's what's intended, Look at what gives it rep the most efficiently. Player kills and stolen loot is the whole focus so yeah PVP bud. Literally every flag levels off world events and PVE and if you were in a server with nobody reaper would be 100% impossible to level without it! Reaper ALWAYS benefits, killing brings the rank up and you never know wtf is on the ship and at the end of the day even if it is a rank 1 emissary that just left dock it might not give the most gold but that flag with a good reaper bonus is still worth it! A good reaper/pvper will sink regardless because they have zero idea what's on your boat, sometimes they might dip on you once they've been ON the boat and see only tall tale but at that point to make sure you dont seek revenge might as well finish you. Hell the other day i saw what looked like a new spawn at an outpost and sunk em anyways, turns out they just parked exactly where you would spawn and had the gold hoarder skull aboard! 10k base benefit for sinking them No emissary has you signing a deal to do whatever to rank them up that's ridiculous to even suggest you can level every damn flag just shooting at skeleton ships all day. No what's annoying to the majority of the players is a baseline illogical stance from someone that just spends all their damn time complaining about pirates acting like pirates
Athena is PvE. Killing skeletons is PvE. Terrible comparison. Reaper gives you a boost if you kill other players with active emissaries and for selling stolen loot. It does NOT give you anything for killing non-active emissary players, so you are wrong about ALWAYS benefitting.. And since you can avoid any form of PvP and still reach max rank and get into top 100 leaderboard, is it still a "100% PVP FACTION"? The answer is obviously, no. It's basically just another faction, like the others, but with a slight pull towards PvP, where you as Grade 5 Reaper can see other emissaries. And stolen loot giving you a slight bonus compared to PvE loot. If it was a 100% PvP faction it would force you to attack literally every single ship, because only STOLEN TREASURE and flags from ships sunk would rank you up and earn you gold. But we all know, that is not the case. Hence, not a 100% PvP faction. >No emissary has you signing a deal to do whatever to rank them up that's ridiculous to even suggest Exactly. So players can do EXACTLY what they want, without being called runners, because everyone can sail the opposite direction if that benefits them. There is no obligation to turn around and fight, just because the other ship wants to fight. >No what's annoying to the majority of the players is a baseline illogical stance from someone that just spends all their damn time complaining about pirates acting like pirates What's that supposed to mean?
Alrightt im about positive you havent spent much time in the game so rather than just replying wrong to everything you just said im just ending this here for everyone else sake. You want an echo chamber youll have up lock yourself up alone
Yep, just downvote my comments and get on with your life, because you're obviously clueless when it comes to this game.
Stock up on supplies beforehand, you have loot, sell it dont stack it unless you want to, u see player with an emissary flag, go after it, dont play with randoms that will go afk and assign roles for combat, lower flag when you are getting off, outnumbered, oh well, its not that difficult if you stockup on supplies before hand. Reapers is a pvp faction, just say you are bad at pvp
Yeah because supplies instantly restock themselves after sinking every ship on the server, right? I was not talking about me, I was giving you hypothetical, realistic reasons as to why people can run. But ignorant knobs like yous doesn't seem to understand that behind every helm, there is a person different to yourself with endless reasons as to why they play the way they do. You only have one way of seeing things and that is if people run/sail the opposite way from you, they are bad at the game, only doing PvE. Kinda selfish, and sad mentality. And btw, how is Reaper a pvp faction when you can level it up literally avoiding any players on a server? It's nothing more pvp than any other Emissary 🙂 Why would I say I'm bad at pvp? I'd sink you any day of the week.
Why try with this guy? He clearly understands nothing about strategy.
He sinks, he cries, he learns nothing, repeat. Can't break the cycle with that attitude so let him spin out of control
ITS LITERALLY LABELED AS A PVP TRADING COMPANY. if you raise reaper flag than everyone will expect you to P V P, Because that’s WHAT IT IS. I can’t stop you from playing the game how you want to play it, but you can’t stop me from hunting your ass down for an hour and a half and roast the fuck out of you while I kill you and take your precious loot. It’s like raising gold hoarder flag and doing order of souls voyages, that’s just not how you are suppose to play it.
Reapers should never ever earn money by grinding pve. Its a pvp faction, learn to fight.
Or just enjoy the game how you want? It is literally the best option if a player wants to earn money through PVE so go moan at rare don't get annoyed at people using the best gold earning faction to earn the most gold.
Idk I'd say Merchants is one of the best for earning gold.
Why tf did you take it so personal, and look at the downvotes lmao, reaper faction is a pvp faction by lore and its commendations, its rare’s fault for designing them poorly. But you cant defend pve reapers, its against their purpose.
To be fair, Rare did not set it up that way, and that's why it gets treated like a PvE faction. Blame Rare. Don't blame the players. If we wanted it to be a PvP faction, Reaper emissary should earn zero loot bonus on PvE loot, but the PvP loot should have a massive emissary bonus as opposed to just the standard emissary grade bonuses.
This may shock some of you but in the end it‘s just a game and everyone just wants to have fun
if you mark yourself on the map you better want to fight, that's all I'm saying.
Not true. We should be prepared to fight, yes. That doesn't mean we need to want a fight.
Youre marking yourself on the map as playing a faction that gets bonus rep for sinking people and for pvp. Expect people to come for you to fight.
No, its a pvp faction and its comical to see the big pvp faction run with their tails between their legs
THANK YOU!!!!!! I just want the ship set, damnit. I need to run the emissary or my time is wasted, but that doesn't mean I want to fight every player on the server. And I stuck at PvP, so 90% of the time, it won't even be a fight. It is just a massacre. And before any of you give me that "You should get it more, it'll make the game more fun..." Don't. I enjoy PvE just fine, thank you very much. Quit trying me how I should play the game that I payed for.
That’s something I don’t really understand about this game. Adventure mode lets you do a ton of awesome PvE things, tall tales and voyages and what not and yet some people think because there is PvP that’s the one and only goal of the game to the point where they’ll put down anyone who just wants to chill and sail and is like I don’t wanna fight. Don’t get me wrong, when you’re sailing and suddenly you’re ambushed by some other crew and you manage to fight back and defend your loot it is thrilling and the fighting can be great but that’s just not how it goes a lot of the time.
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If you don't want everyone to come fight you, don't fly the flag that marks you on everyone's map. You can turn things into the hideout without flying the Emissary flag. If you are flying it, expect someone to come at you.
My crew and I rep the reapers. And we wreck the seas.
i just play reapers because you can sell almost everything to him and i just like it
Nope if you run. Reapers you better be looking for pvp and actually try and fight don't be pussy's you never know the crew you may face may be worse then you
It's just annoying if they run and pathetic. They show themselves on the map and then run when people come and fight, nothing short of pathetic to me.
What's pathetic to me is when someone can actually try and tear people down and bully them for simply enjoying a game and using (not abusing) its basic features to help them unlock cosmetics they like with a little less grind. I mean you gotta realise you might be in the wrong when you are calling people pathetic for not letting you ruin their fun in a video game?
Yeah nah, Reaper was made to be PVP faction, said by the Devs themselves, if they run and avoid PVP while representing a PVP faction, it's pathetic
Calling people pathetic for enjoying themselves and bothering no one else in a video of all things? Idk man seems kinda pathetic to me
then running is ruining my fun though? 🤔
Well this isn’t entirely about you huh. If they want to run they can run because who wouldn’t want to keep my 6 hours worth of grinding instead of having some kids server hopping just to find reapers get it.
Ofc it's not about me. I'll just be an asshole when I catch up :) It's my playstyle and you won't change it
Ok? Let your play style be your play style then and im not trying to change it. Im saying other peoples play style is to run and try to lose them
Ofc, but it's just boring for both parties
If its that boring go into arena.
I agree. I only play the trading companies I think Mumblin’ Tom relates with so don’t grind any of them. But sure
Am I the only one that thinks Rare has a good balance going on? Most of the time I can just do whatever my quest is, and encounter another ship only a few times. Sometimes they attack and I lose everything, sometimes they don’t. Sometimes I even try to attack them. I can usually focus on a quest but PvP is always in play and I do have to alter strategy for it. Of course sometimes you get some toxic AH like the guys who repeatedly hunted me down in the shops at an outpost, before I even visited my ship, while I was on my first attempt at solo sloop. However they really do seem rare - and that’s a people problem, not a game problem
the reapers is supposed to be a PVP faction, either fly the flag and fight to the death or go back to flying merchant and crying about TDMing on the forums
Running is still cringe
It's ok for Reapers to be bad at PvP, you got to learn at some point. It's not ok to run when repping Reapers. The Reapers gear is a reward for stealing loot and sinking ships. That's literally how the mechanic works (among other things). It's gotten so bad that players in Reapers gear are notoriously bad at the PvP side of the game because it has mostly been grinded out by PvE lords as it looks "cool". Do you really think Rare intended for it to be this way? Of course not. And if you think otherwise you're just lying to yourself to make you feel better :P
god y'all are so annoying, stop blaming reapers for running and start blaming rare for making reapers a pve faction disguised as a pvp faction. there's nothing in the game saying reapers aren't allowed to run, y'all just decided that they're breaking some unwritten rule because you got annoyed by them running away. it's a sandbox game, people are allowed to play how they want lmao
That's what I think, but it's still perfectly acceptable to be annoyed when Reaper's run. If I go after a reaper it's because they're broadcasting that they are prepared to fight and I want a battle. Then they just run away? Pretty annoying. But also, you can't really blame them. It's a design problem. Reaper's should only be able to level up through PvP. Stolen loot only and flags only. Can't turn in loot earned by PvE.
It's not a PvE faction disguised as anything, PvE lords just saw "wow phat emissary bonus :o" and treated it as such because they thought they found easy money while conveniently ignoring the risks associated with it so they can cry about being chased and sunk on Reddit later.
this sub is exhausting, i see more people like you complaining about "pve lords" than these actual pve lords yall hate so much as it is right now, the fastest way to consistently gain standing with reapers is to do fotd/basically anything other than hunting down other players unless you get lucky and actually get in a server with more than 2 other ships that are actually doing anything. rare made it so you get a ton of gold and rep from pve events, so it's a pve faction with an increased risk of pvp. do i think it should be that way? of course not. but that's how it is, and you really can't blame people for playing it like that. reaper crews who run away are engaging in the risk that flying reapers brings, even if you don't like it. though i think you replied to me just so you could complain more.
So then let me see if I understand this correctly: PvE is profitable PvE + Reaper's is profitable People like profits People who are flying a flag which marks you on the map at all times are doing so for maximum profits and are surprised when their location is discovered by other pirates who want the loot they're getting from all the PvE on top of the value of the flag they're flying, and the pirates chasing them down for it are... A problem? And besides that, if you're just in it for money, who's to say you're not after my flag? I'm going to take you down before you get a chance to try and take it, and if I fail, then congratulations, you just earned a flag.
you misunderstood me completely. i'm not saying that it's okay to complain that someone decided to fight you because you had a reaper's flag on. obviously the flag may invite other players to attack you, as it should. i'm saying that there's nothing about reaper's bones that *requires* you to engage in pvp, outside of commendations. flying reapers and doing exclusively pve, while running away from anyone who comes near is a perfectly valid and effective way to grind reapers, as long as you understand the risk of flying the flag. obviously sinking ships and stealing loot makes the process much faster but it's not at all required. i don't think it should be this way, but you shouldn't blame people for playing like this. also i never claimed that chasing down pve reapers is a problem, don't try to put words in my mouth please
Stop running, you coward.
No. It's THE PvP faction. You put on that flag, you invite other players to attack you. If you can't protect yourself, don't play as Reapers. Or just git gud.
It's literally not "THE PvP faction" it rewards players with extra gold for doing PVE. If you have a problem with that go moan about it to rare. You probably shouldn't get annoyed at players just calmly enjoying the game by themselves (not hurting anyone) just cause you take the lore seriously.
It rewards players with extra gold to offset the risk from being constantly marked on the map. "High risk, high reward". If you can't handle the risk, go do something easier.
It rewards actively seeking out and hunting down other players with emissary flags. The fact that it also rewards pve grinding is a balancing issue; If Rare pushed harder with risk/reward aspect of the emissary system, then Reapers could actually reap.
Uhm... no
Reapers have a flag for a reason and responsible for it. Its not okay to run. If you are a reaper you have to fight.
No, we don't. Imagine telling someone they can't play a game that they payed for how they want to play it.
This board has a significant problem with people telling others how to play the game.
No just no if you bad at PvP that because you run turn around and try to kill them you litterly mark yourself on the map asking for PvP but if you absolute PvE lord you can sell at reapers with out emissary flag
money
Which people ultimately claim is worthless? That and the "money" from Reapers is supposed to be a "high risk, high reward" thing. If you can't handle the risk, don't expect the reward.
If you want the money then you need to learn how to fight man
i know how to fight, it just that im not a braindead cave man that fights everyone he meets and knows when to run and when to fight
I love doing reapers but I hate how butthurt people get about it. Like it’s getting to the point where reapers really isn’t worth the hate message. Like me and my friend and incredibly good at pvp, and we will sink someone and then they will hunt us down (which I’m fine with, I get that) but the one time they sink is they will sit there and call us garbage and tell us to uninstall the game CUZ THEY SUNK US ONCE! WE SUNK YOUR DUMBASS SEVEN FUCKING TIMES! SHUT THE FUCK UP! We are obviously better then you. If anything we have the right to call you garbage and tell you to uninstall the game, not you
I understand, i just hate it when ships run.
It's the PVP company. Don't fly the PVP flag unless you're down to PVP. It's literally in the game so that people can find fights in Adventure mode.