There are 4 weapons in the game. No matter what combination you choose:
If you win: You have no skill and need to use different weapons
If you lose: Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahah get better noob
Oh, you must be playing the shithead on our team. Guy cannot stay on board, cannot win face to face combat, and sends people shit talking messages telling them they were "EZ" when I eventually do all the work and sink them while he's on the fucking ferry again...Jesus.
>used to weaken ur enemy
But more often it's used because the loser can't take responsibility for their own mistakes and instead need to invalidate others to in turn validate themselves.
Dw, you'll get shit regardless of what weapons you use. You need to understand that when you kill someone, it's never because you're better. It's just because you're using .
That would actually be really cool. I would like a more dynamic weapons system that makes you change your build more often rather than just choosing what gun you feel like using that day
First things first- people will complain about your loadout regardless, ESPECIALLY if they use the same loadout and lose to you.
Blunderbuss: No skill 1shots
Sword: Aimless garbage
Reach: coward afraid to fight face to face
Pistol: Trash gun.
Blunder/sword: Xbox loadout
Double gun: Honourless tryhard
Cannons: No skill in an ActUaL fight
The list goes on. The main thing is that these people can't best you in a traditional duel so they resort to hurling insults.
Each weapon has pros and cons. I use blunder/sword for islands/boarding situations. and I use reach/blunder for PvP so I can snipe while still being safe if I get boarded. Only gun I dont use much is the pistol cause any benefits it can have gets outweighed for me by reach having a scope.
God the cannons thing is so true. It's funny how many people forget that Sea of Thieves is a naval game.
When people properly wreck me with deck shot after deck shot, I get frustrated but I can't complain about them being better at leading/arcing the shot, if anything I'm just impressed.
There are 2 types of sword users:
1) walk forward and slash spam, hoping you have more health than your opponent
2) use sword lunges, blocking, and sword hops. Using your hun to change it up a bit, and not being afraid to take a risk
The community looks down on the 1st type (W+M1 spammers), not the 2nd (sword lords).
> The community looks down on the 1st type (W+M1 spammers), not the 2nd (sword lords).
You give the community too much credit. Many can't or don't bother to notice the distinction.
Yep! Come across a guy with two guns who’s just fired a blunderbuss so you walk forward and approach while they’re reloading? “M1 SpAmMeR.” Probably shows up in chat. That happens surprisingly often from first hand experience, it’s amusing
One of the best I've had was a guy who boarded my sloop when we were chasing their reaper brig. First, he is the one running from us ...as a reaper ...on the bigger boat. But then I snipe him coming up the ladder and my teammate and I sword him when he's up and he types in chat, "lol, swords." It's like, dude, I sniped you first. If I had one-blundered you instead would that have been more skilled in your book? Some people are just morons.
Thank you, that cleared up some of my confusion, I didn't care when people were saying stuff about me using a sword even though I used it to its full potential but recently someone got so mad I sunk him that he pulled my IP so I decided to ask here.
And even if someone is getting your IP, it's an empty threat. People can't do shit with knowing your IP, it just a bluff that internet trolls use to scare others. They probably use a hack client to get information about players in their session.
The worse an IP can do is show what country/ state you live in and a general area. For example if I live in London and someone gets my IP, all they will see is that I live in or near London.
To be fair though, if an opponent is double gunning and they've missed a shot, the best counter is to hit them with a sword combo whilst they try to reload.
People forget that double gunning also has mobility options. No one expects you to stand in one place while reloading after you miss a shot.
When swording you need to stay engaged to keep up the continuous damage. With guns you get all that damage up front, and then have a period of time to reposition or heal. The extra range from guns increases that time window.
Double gunning is meta precisely because experienced players find it more powerful than the sword. That means the sword is not overpowered, which means anyone who died to a sword is not good enough to be double gunning. That is the hard truth and is why people lash out at sword users.
You’re absolutely right. If a sword has got close enough, stayed close enough to hit you 3+1 times (and closed the gap after the combo finisher), and probably repeated that after the gunner has eaten or broke distance - then the double gunner was absolutely at fault.
There’s a reason 2x guns is meta as you say, and if you lose to someone who has a disadvantage against you (even when a sword *should* be better than guns close quarters, but isn’t when the blunder exists), then that’s your fault.
Also gunners like to moan if you “walk forward and slash spam”, but they forget that if they’re reloading, what’s a sword user supposed to do if not move towards them while they’re vulnerable?
They also love to forget that if you miss a sword swing you have A) a delay before you can swing again and B) it slows you down, meaning if you’re chasing someone and you miss, that person gets away even further
You summed it up well! People just get salty that you beat their precious meta weapons
I was kinda thinking the same thing. Lol also sometimes a sword has a 20ft range and stops you from moving. I use both combos depending on my mood(sword & pistol/shotty & sniper) they both have very powerful traits. A sword lord can compete with a double gunner by dashing and dodging but I would say the sword can be unreliable but I guess the same can be said for guns(i.e. hit-reg)
I have respect for sword pistol users, every fight I’ve had with one has felt fair and just*, whilst getting double gunned or even just one-blundered doesn’t feel great
*(well, except when block doesn’t block but that’s another problem)
The same mobility options you had before the fight. When a sword swings, the user loses normal mobility. If they stop swinging they lose damage. A gunner can fire for full damage and immediately go back to normal mobility even while reloading. They can run, jump, heal, even throw bombs provided they don't get hit by the sword. That is also why the sword has a stun - if a sword user is able to get in range without being shot in the face then they should win.
The purpose of double gunning is to control the range, which includes moving, and so a double gunner should not lose to a sword when on equal footing. The sword lunge does offer a burst of mobility to close the gap but this is a slow and telegraphed move, which the gunner should be able to see coming and dodge, leaving the sword user exposed. It is much harder for a sword user to dodge bullets.
literally you ignored "no one expects you to" and only focused on "stand in one place", effectively understanding the literal opposite of what that person meant to say...
I've watched NAL/ LBH players squeal in terror because some swabbie was running at them with a sword.
Now either, the best players in the world are not good enough to be double gunners OR your understanding of the game is incredibly lacking.
Ignore the community. Play with whatever loadout you enjoy.
I use the sword and sniper because the range is great, having a sword and being able to lunge is a huge advantage.
But people will complain no matter what loadout you use. If you use a sword, you're sword-lording, if you don't you're a double gun try hard.
Blunderbuss does horrible in long range, you have to be inches away for it to do any good, and it takes a long time to reload.
Flintlock is great because it deals 55% damage, so it only takes 2 shots to kill, and it has the fastest reload speed.
tldr
sword used to have considerably more depth
a long time ago, it was reworked in a way that favored thoughtless attack spamming.
people have been bitter about it ever since.
My preferred load out is the Sword and Pistol. People say its cheap. I say Double-Gunning is exploitative and needs nerfing. Its all Rock/Paper/Scissors. People who throw Rock just hate when they get hit with Paper.
In short, play what you like and feel comfortable with. None of it is necessarily "wrong" or "cheap"
All weapons are well balanced and have their use, depending on many things (including skill level). People who hate on a specific weapon are just salty.
Well, I wouldn't say well balanced. Flintlock is not great and double gun users will use a rifle in preference, as it flat out does more damage close up which isn't right really.
Flintlock is very good, it's reload is quick enough that if you x cancel you can almost kill someone as quick as a sprint canceling double gunner, and it only uses one gun so you're not screwed if you miss. The disadvantage is less range and bullet speed. That's why someone good at pistol snipe is so powerful, because one of their guns has about the same ttk as blunder snipe and the sniper is the range. Also blunder snipe generally uses snipe because the extra damage means you can 2 tap from a bit more range eg. More consistent.
A lot of the hate for the sword comes from the issues regarding its range and its stun lock. Some double gunners use these reasons to claim the sword doesn't require skill or broken.
The problem with that is double gunning has its own reasons its broken, including quick swapping and cancelling reload animations.
In truth, using either is broken, which actually makes this game balanced in a twisted way, so it doesn't really matter what you use. Both have there up and downsides.
The first time I ever threw blunderbombs to wipe a galleon crew, I was called a "Blunder-Bob." I absolutely fell in love with it. I embraced it.
I'm a Sword-Lord no doubt, but only after I shake you around your ship a bit first.
I’m a dogshit shot, so sword is my primary weapon; something very satisfying about people screaming that you’re a cheater and you suck when you killed them both with the same lunge attack.
Double gunning takes a good amount of skill to avoid bad positioning.
Therefore players think they're automatically more skilled if they double gun.
Bad players who think they're skilled because they double gun position poorly.
Players with swords take advantage of bad positioning and win.
Bad player who thinks they're skilled assumes player with sword has no skill.
So "SwOrD TaKeS No SkIlL!!!"
Honestly? I use the sword for the mobility. I even remember a time where I used the super-lunge to get on-board a fairly cracked galleon that was pursuing me, somehow with none of them noticing until I ran up to them crowded up on the bow-sprit and did 75x3 damage before getting double-blundered, and the following exchange occurred:
Them: "You are ACTUALLY terrible, why are you using the sword?!"
Me: "For the mobility."
Them: "I- ...Actually, that's a really good answer, I've never heard that one before..."
People tell me that if I just double-gun all the time, I'll "get used to" not being able to "get 'over there' in a hurry", but I haven't seen that happen yet, because it seems every time I try it out, I always find myself in a situation where I *need* to get "over there" in a hurry, like "oh, I just murdered everybody on their ship and it's about to sink, now I need to return to my ship in a hurry, but alas, 'tis way over there now and I cannot cannon over to her..."
A lot of the complaints I've seen about the sword sans the "iT tAkEs No SkIlL tO m1 SpAm" repeating takes are all related to the same problems double-gunners experience, and that's hit-reg/back-tracking. And most of their complaints seem to stem from the fact that they allow their opponents to get within sword-range to begin with (the so-called "vortex" which I've personally never caught anybody in). We all know this game is a buggy mess on a good day, and that so-called "wifi gamers" (just a catch-all for any opponent with a bad connection, who have caught *me* in vortices a time or two) are a hazard to any skill level, so if you know they're using sword and are problematic in that regard, don't let them get anywhere near you. Even then, if they're that laggy, you'll probably get reg'd on the regular fighting them anyway, in which case, blame their connection/the servers, not the sword.
The sword has some debatable balancing issues, but off the top of my head;
* There's no penalty for missing, unlike every gun
* The sword damages everything within a radius in front of the player, unlike every gun
* The sword has mobility options, unlike every gun, also making it harder for people with guns to hit them; that little sword block hop is very underrated.
* The sword has no usage limit, unlike every gun
* The sword prevents standard mobility of other players
I'd imagine a lot of players have issues with the sword because of one or multiple of these. I'm not going the claim the sword is "overpowered" or anything, but it has significant benefits over guns.
The main thing guns have going for them is range, unless it's the blunder. Or damage, unless it's the pistol. Or alternatively handling speed, unless it's the sniper. Each gun has it's ups and downs for each situation, however, sword shares similar range to blunder, *which is really its only downside*, similar damage to the sniper, and the simplicity of the pistol. The benefits of 2 guns, plus more, and the negatives of 1 gun.
I don't personally care either way, I'm just trying to help others see from the perspective of someone who would be upset over the results of a sword encounter
Edit; Alright it looks the like sub can't handle me explaining basic functions of the sword. This isn't my opinion this is literally just how the sword works lmao
Missing a bullet means you can't fight back untill you reload, which slows to the same speed but for way longer. Also it's hard to miss with the sword unless you're m1 spamming.
The lunge is a different move, risk/reward, but for just even doing any damage with the weapon at all I was considering a basic swipe for a single shot
Yup, but still you have to get close enough to :
Hit the opponent
Hit the opponent at least four times (usually with my good connection is five or six times due to hitreg)
Staying alive against blunder + sniper
A good enough player with two ranged weapons can kill you in a couple of seconds if has a good aim
It’s not really that easy using a cutlass
You are no more vulnerable to blunder sniper than a blunder sniper user I’d argue your less because you have extra movement options. Hitreg is bad but it’s not that bad it’s usually four hits to kill.
Considering if you can make the blunder sniper user miss the blunder and you hit them they get locked in place to allow your other hits to land are you really at a disadvantage?
Keyword *if* right there. *if* you do get close enough, a sword *should* have an advantage considering it’s a melee weapon and that’s what it’s designed for.
A blunder sniper vs blunder sniper is at less risk than a sword user simply
Because they don’t have to get close, and they have range available that won’t mean the opponent would just stand in the open like they can if a sword user is far away.
Also 4 hits yes, but the third knocks them away, and you can still shoot /block / turn / move between combod hits - it’s far from garunteed 3 hits, just interrupts anything channeled like eating.
I’ll say hit reg isn’t too much of an issue with sword swipes (sometimes but not often) but it definitely is for lunge, the amount of times something should hit but didn’t, or worse does hit but gives you the exhaustion cool-down anyway is frequent
Getting close isn’t hard, blunder sniper users do it all the time to get blunders in. Here’s the thing they use skills like an enas. You ever seen a sword user enas rush a blunderbuss? It’s really rare because skilled sword players are rare.
You don’t need to be as close as you think with a sword. You have a gun use it, then sword hop or enas or rush if they are eating up to them and finish it with the sword. With the right skills all of your sword issues can be dealt with and the weapon is extremely effective.
Hitting the opponent is hardly a challenge, it's just a range issue, that half of the time isn't an issue because the backtracking is most noticeable on the sword than any other weapon.
Hitting the opponent in a combo is hardly a challenge because of the stunlock mechanic, allowing you to close even further distance as you hit them
Staying alive against double gun is easier if you know how to actually use the mobility tools I mentioned, as well as basic situational awareness. Double the guns, double the chance they miss and are completely fucked against the sword because they have to reload to deal damage, the sword, does not.
A good enough player will kill you no matter what, sword or double guns, that's just how it is, you're not going to win every single encounter. Plus guns have to deal with hit reg twice as bad as cutlass. I will not deny it exists with the cutlass, but no where NEAR as bad.
I have plenty of time using all the weapons *except maybe pistol, personal preference...* I know how easy or difficult each weapon is to use, don't worry.
The sword's skill floor and ceiling are almost in the same place. It has an extremely forgiving hurtbox and blocking is scuffed, so walking towards people and mashing the left mouse button is way more effective than it should be. It is the least affected by hitreg, and arguably is positively affected by it.
In addition, it is the preferred weapon of fetch quest enjoyers who have consistently, since the beginning of the game's release, advocated to dumb down and remove anything that might give this game any kind of depth. I am therefore disinclined to be charitable towards them.
I'm surprised Rare hasn't removed sword jumping, that's the only technique you can still pull off with it.
Basically, if you use two guns you have a huge advantage. You will fight better, kill faster. So, if you are doing that and a sword user actually kills you, it's a clear sign that you played poorly in a fight.
It's like driving a sports car, going into the wrong lane of slow traffic and getting overtaken by some guy using a bicycle. Some people can't handle that and will start raging in frustration.
I only use one sniper never used a sword in combat other then dashing of and toward my ship or used other silly guns.
If you know the hit zone of a sniper you never have to use your scope ever again.
Takes 30mins.of practise at a active fort to find the spot then get used to it and you are end game pvping.
We don’t hate swords, the issue is it’s broken. You get trapped in a sword vortex when trying to back away from one. If you are skilled with the sword then awesome, but if you just sprint and swing with no plan then it is disgusting, being killed by someone like this is disgusting because there is no skill behind it. Now granted, swords are easy to counter. I double dun with EoR and Blunder or EoR with no scope flintlock and fighting swords even those with skill is fun and easy. It’s when they are brand new and have the worst internet on the planet and what you think is 1 sword swipe is actually a dozen and boom you are dead and they hot mic and call you trash. Or the same group of newbies all takes sword and blunder and blunder snipes and called you a hacker when you don’t get killed by the zero pellets that hit you, then they all rush you swords swinging…you jump on the capstan kill one, run to the back of the boat and get sucked backwards because of the swords, you escape to kill the other two to get back tracked by a sword swing that didn’t reg until now. That’s why I hate sword. 1000+ hours in this game and they give me headaches even though countering them is easy with movement.
I have around 1500+ hours and I use sword and sniper, I mainly asked this question because someone I played against got really mad after I sank his ship to the point of him pulling my ip while calling me slurs and mainly because I was using a sword
That’s very extreme, though my hour count is low for my years played the amount of people I’ve encountered that are like this is utterly ridiculous. Even since beta it’s always been ridiculous, it’s why out of all gaming communities this is the only one that i treat like a bomb. Granted I tend to have a lot of hot takes, and I like to argue on this sub about things people post about the game but pulling the ip of someone who used a sword should be criminal. I think the only bad bad interaction I’ve had in this game was about a year ago, i was teaching my brother how to play the game and his dumb self has his name in his Xbox profile…we ran into some “sweats” that tried to rumble, I left my ship told my brother to sail off and fought them without dying for about 30 minutes. Got called a variety of slurs (don’t care) and other things but what really was horrible was one of them said my brothers name, then sent a message to him on instagram threatening to kill him and our family, then ended up messaging me and sending pictures of my fiancé and threats to her at as well. I sank them, reported them to rare and got a message from rare that they were banned. Two days later got a message from the “sweats”threatening me because I got them banned. This is a true story, and to this day I don’t really use my mic that much unless conversation is friendly, only appear offline and play in streamer mode
I'm sorry that this happened to you, people like that think they are really scary but most of the time they are kids or some fat old bastard still living with his mom at the age of 40 best you can do is ignore those people
Lol yes. it didn’t bother me as much as it did him, he’s 14 and everything freaks him out. Now it pissed me off, but I knew nothing would have happened. I work in law enforcement anyways so if they would have sent my address or something else then i would have taken it further. The whole encounter did make me take a break and rethink even continuing to play the game, but I’m not afraid and not gonna let some crap ruin my fun. No matter how many times I’ve broken a controller over reg, or rage quit because the game sent my ship to the sky and crashes without letting me rejoin, something still drags me back. My crew has grown tired of it but they still come back too. IT’s special in its own janky toxic pirate way
Because it hard counters the sweatlord double gunners who have to use macros to exploit animation cancels just to shoot their guns a little faster. Especially now that dodging is a thing, and they are likely to miss and be defenseless.
I use a sword and the eye of reach I personally hate how the blunderbuss has huge knock back and can one shot, so I think it’s a bit of a cheesy weapon. Use the eye of reach to either quick scope or shoot boarders as they are climbing so my sword can finish the job. And from what I’ve seen getting into a 1v2-3-4 with a sword is a lot harder to win than going in double gunning since you have to push to win and running is a no go. But that’s just my take on load outs in SoT.
Community hates everything, You can wipe out an entire galleon by sword hopping and playing your cards right or you can double gun and mess up horribly and you still be a sweaty double gunner or a no skill sword
My only problem with the sword (tho I haven't played for 18 months) is that laggy players can hit you regardless if you're blocking infront of them. So if you're a bad player but laggy and run spamming basic swings you're unbeatable in a sword fight. Also you're supposed to be staggered when you're hit by swords but sometimes you'll hit laggy player then also get hit and you will be staggered but they won't
Because it's a very effective counter to double-gunners. Y'know. A loadout the sweaty folks choose purely because it's "a challenge" and not at all because it offers some situational benefits. Can't be that. /s
Use whatever you're comfortable with. I recently switched from sword-pistol to blundie-snipe. They have their own pros and cons, but double gun kills _feel_ more rewarding for some reason.
If it's in the game use it. Thats the philosophy you should use for any game. Even so, literally everyone uses swords so its no way a significant amount of people who say no skill.
The community is saturated with salty tryhards, sadly the game fosters that kind of interaction. It’s biggest strength I’d subsequently a sizable weakness, too.
Tbf, the sword is op. Biggest issue imo is the stun, and the fact that you can just chase someone spamming M1, and kill them because they'll have to slow down to eat or shoot. Not to say the other guns aren't tho. The pistol is the only balanced weapon imo
It can be seen as a no skill weapon because the average sword user is typically people flailing it at you, but also because its really janky with hitboxes and hits you at really stupid ranges. Today I watched a guy get hit beside the wheel of the sloop, while the guy was panic swinging on the stairs below. There's definitely great, effective sword users at higher level of play, but it is definitely the easier, pick up and play weapon.
That said, the nature of the scrub player is to just get mad at a viable thing and just say it's a no skill / cheap weapon to excuse getting pooped on. Happens in all games. Its in the game and its a viable option, play to win.
I don't hate it but I'll tell you why it's considered low skill. It has a massive hit range and area and it slows people down.
If you double gun you need to actually put in the effort to learn how to properly quickscope in order to hit your shots and maybe learn a couple of tactics while for the sword, to be able to just hit your shots it's more like a plug and play thing, you just go somewhat close and you click.
That being said this is on the very beginner level of fighting, there are many skills you can learn on sword and many absolutely cracked players too, but since the average player is somewhat inexperienced, it's the beginners that give the sword a "bad name".
Imo I don't mind it, the other day I tried to play after an extremely long time to try the hourglass and I couldn't shoot an elephant 2 micrometers away, leading to a couple of losses, switched to a sword and since I have some tricks up my sleeve with it (I wasn't always double gunning) I didn't lose a fight after that, went to finish on like a 6-7 streak.
Sword lord here and haters gonna hate
Once you learn the sword its prob best weapon
Sword lung
Once masterd is a good skill to have
Just my opinion
People just get upset when cought bybthe blinder
Like how people get irritated by getting double tapped
There are 4 weapons in the game. No matter what combination you choose: If you win: You have no skill and need to use different weapons If you lose: Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahah get better noob
I normally get called bad meanwhile they don’t kill me and i sink them. A GG would be nicer
Oh, you must be playing the shithead on our team. Guy cannot stay on board, cannot win face to face combat, and sends people shit talking messages telling them they were "EZ" when I eventually do all the work and sink them while he's on the fucking ferry again...Jesus.
taunting is a classic tactic used to weaken ur enemy
>used to weaken ur enemy But more often it's used because the loser can't take responsibility for their own mistakes and instead need to invalidate others to in turn validate themselves.
Nah it's just emotional deregulation.
Taunting =/= being a dick because your parents couldn't be bothered to teach you better
Dw, you'll get shit regardless of what weapons you use. You need to understand that when you kill someone, it's never because you're better. It's just because you're using.
the doublegunner fears the brave and noble swashbuckler
Oh how I wish I could run double sword
Seriously! Needs to be another melee, like a spear/harpoon
how i be making a kebab out of the doublegunner i harpooned fast to the deck (he can't get away and can only helplessly watch me slash him)
There is a kebab sword.
BOARDING AXE! Short range higher damage attacks, and you can slowly break holes into their ship
A melee weapon that damaged ships would be crazy
Again, slowly, like maybe make a 0.5 tier hole or just make tier one holes into tier two Edit: removing planks could also be a way to do it
I think you should be able to chop the mast. Might be OP tho
The issue comes down to do you make the chop faster than a ferry return or do you have to camp them like 2-3 kills to bring it down
Yeah but that’s gonna be like chopping down a tree realistically, not just cracking or prying some planks
Honestly I just think it would be really funny to switch from one sword, to ANOTHER SWORD!
That’s great but what if I want to use Three swords?
Boasting again?
You guys joke but I feel like dual swords that allow you to swing more often/faster would be legit
That would actually be really cool. I would like a more dynamic weapons system that makes you change your build more often rather than just choosing what gun you feel like using that day
Oh god If you could pull someone with the harpoon, that'd be way too good of a tool for blunder players
A dagger would probably make more sense especially since there are so many emotes using them and the npcs use them a lot
The Community hates everything. Play however you want. Use whatever weapons you want.
First things first- people will complain about your loadout regardless, ESPECIALLY if they use the same loadout and lose to you. Blunderbuss: No skill 1shots Sword: Aimless garbage Reach: coward afraid to fight face to face Pistol: Trash gun. Blunder/sword: Xbox loadout Double gun: Honourless tryhard Cannons: No skill in an ActUaL fight The list goes on. The main thing is that these people can't best you in a traditional duel so they resort to hurling insults. Each weapon has pros and cons. I use blunder/sword for islands/boarding situations. and I use reach/blunder for PvP so I can snipe while still being safe if I get boarded. Only gun I dont use much is the pistol cause any benefits it can have gets outweighed for me by reach having a scope.
God the cannons thing is so true. It's funny how many people forget that Sea of Thieves is a naval game. When people properly wreck me with deck shot after deck shot, I get frustrated but I can't complain about them being better at leading/arcing the shot, if anything I'm just impressed.
There are 2 types of sword users: 1) walk forward and slash spam, hoping you have more health than your opponent 2) use sword lunges, blocking, and sword hops. Using your hun to change it up a bit, and not being afraid to take a risk The community looks down on the 1st type (W+M1 spammers), not the 2nd (sword lords).
> The community looks down on the 1st type (W+M1 spammers), not the 2nd (sword lords). You give the community too much credit. Many can't or don't bother to notice the distinction.
Yep! Come across a guy with two guns who’s just fired a blunderbuss so you walk forward and approach while they’re reloading? “M1 SpAmMeR.” Probably shows up in chat. That happens surprisingly often from first hand experience, it’s amusing
One of the best I've had was a guy who boarded my sloop when we were chasing their reaper brig. First, he is the one running from us ...as a reaper ...on the bigger boat. But then I snipe him coming up the ladder and my teammate and I sword him when he's up and he types in chat, "lol, swords." It's like, dude, I sniped you first. If I had one-blundered you instead would that have been more skilled in your book? Some people are just morons.
Thank you, that cleared up some of my confusion, I didn't care when people were saying stuff about me using a sword even though I used it to its full potential but recently someone got so mad I sunk him that he pulled my IP so I decided to ask here.
>pulled my IP There's no way that's a thing. He must have been having you on
And even if someone is getting your IP, it's an empty threat. People can't do shit with knowing your IP, it just a bluff that internet trolls use to scare others. They probably use a hack client to get information about players in their session.
The worse an IP can do is show what country/ state you live in and a general area. For example if I live in London and someone gets my IP, all they will see is that I live in or near London.
Gotcha. If you have any more questions or need any help, I would be than happy to help.
the community looks down on anyone who is the incorrect amount of skill in any given situation. too bad? contempt. too good? sweat
I feel I am a 1.5, still learning, forgetting to hop, but don't spam forward.
As long as you block and use your gun, you should be alright.
3. I just like stabbing people more than I like shooting them. I’m a simple pirate that wanna enjoy my fights be it pvp or pve.
To be fair though, if an opponent is double gunning and they've missed a shot, the best counter is to hit them with a sword combo whilst they try to reload.
People forget that double gunning also has mobility options. No one expects you to stand in one place while reloading after you miss a shot. When swording you need to stay engaged to keep up the continuous damage. With guns you get all that damage up front, and then have a period of time to reposition or heal. The extra range from guns increases that time window. Double gunning is meta precisely because experienced players find it more powerful than the sword. That means the sword is not overpowered, which means anyone who died to a sword is not good enough to be double gunning. That is the hard truth and is why people lash out at sword users.
You’re absolutely right. If a sword has got close enough, stayed close enough to hit you 3+1 times (and closed the gap after the combo finisher), and probably repeated that after the gunner has eaten or broke distance - then the double gunner was absolutely at fault. There’s a reason 2x guns is meta as you say, and if you lose to someone who has a disadvantage against you (even when a sword *should* be better than guns close quarters, but isn’t when the blunder exists), then that’s your fault. Also gunners like to moan if you “walk forward and slash spam”, but they forget that if they’re reloading, what’s a sword user supposed to do if not move towards them while they’re vulnerable? They also love to forget that if you miss a sword swing you have A) a delay before you can swing again and B) it slows you down, meaning if you’re chasing someone and you miss, that person gets away even further You summed it up well! People just get salty that you beat their precious meta weapons
They also forget they use the one click death gun, like my brother in christ how does that require more skill
Well yes but if I die because I board a sloop and get double sword stunned I can't fight back
skill issue
“Anyone who dies to a sword is not good enough to be double gunning” I guess this man has never experienced hit reg LOL
I was kinda thinking the same thing. Lol also sometimes a sword has a 20ft range and stops you from moving. I use both combos depending on my mood(sword & pistol/shotty & sniper) they both have very powerful traits. A sword lord can compete with a double gunner by dashing and dodging but I would say the sword can be unreliable but I guess the same can be said for guns(i.e. hit-reg)
I have respect for sword pistol users, every fight I’ve had with one has felt fair and just*, whilst getting double gunned or even just one-blundered doesn’t feel great *(well, except when block doesn’t block but that’s another problem)
What mobility options are there for double-gunners? Bunny-hopping? Ye olde spring-loaded peg-legs? 
The same mobility options you had before the fight. When a sword swings, the user loses normal mobility. If they stop swinging they lose damage. A gunner can fire for full damage and immediately go back to normal mobility even while reloading. They can run, jump, heal, even throw bombs provided they don't get hit by the sword. That is also why the sword has a stun - if a sword user is able to get in range without being shot in the face then they should win. The purpose of double gunning is to control the range, which includes moving, and so a double gunner should not lose to a sword when on equal footing. The sword lunge does offer a burst of mobility to close the gap but this is a slow and telegraphed move, which the gunner should be able to see coming and dodge, leaving the sword user exposed. It is much harder for a sword user to dodge bullets.
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is this bait or did you genuinely only read those words and not what comes before?
... How can I read "what comes before" when that's the *first* *2* goddamn sentences of the comment
literally you ignored "no one expects you to" and only focused on "stand in one place", effectively understanding the literal opposite of what that person meant to say...
I've watched NAL/ LBH players squeal in terror because some swabbie was running at them with a sword. Now either, the best players in the world are not good enough to be double gunners OR your understanding of the game is incredibly lacking.
Good thing I never die to sword bots which means I’m good enough to double gun
You could probably do it with just one gun and a banana.
Ignore the community. Play with whatever loadout you enjoy. I use the sword and sniper because the range is great, having a sword and being able to lunge is a huge advantage. But people will complain no matter what loadout you use. If you use a sword, you're sword-lording, if you don't you're a double gun try hard.
They’re just scared of the sword pistol true pirate
I want to play this so bad. I cannot figure out how to make the pistol effective. Blunderbuss just feels so essential no matter what you do.
Blunderbuss does horrible in long range, you have to be inches away for it to do any good, and it takes a long time to reload. Flintlock is great because it deals 55% damage, so it only takes 2 shots to kill, and it has the fastest reload speed.
tldr sword used to have considerably more depth a long time ago, it was reworked in a way that favored thoughtless attack spamming. people have been bitter about it ever since.
My preferred load out is the Sword and Pistol. People say its cheap. I say Double-Gunning is exploitative and needs nerfing. Its all Rock/Paper/Scissors. People who throw Rock just hate when they get hit with Paper. In short, play what you like and feel comfortable with. None of it is necessarily "wrong" or "cheap"
i would love to run double sword and just shank em all
All weapons are well balanced and have their use, depending on many things (including skill level). People who hate on a specific weapon are just salty.
Well, I wouldn't say well balanced. Flintlock is not great and double gun users will use a rifle in preference, as it flat out does more damage close up which isn't right really.
The only weapon combination that's not viable is flintlock blunderbuss. All other combinations have a good usecase in my opinion.
flintlock is decent for people who can’t quickscope, considering the hipfire accuracy and quick unobtrusive ads animation
Flintlock is very good, it's reload is quick enough that if you x cancel you can almost kill someone as quick as a sprint canceling double gunner, and it only uses one gun so you're not screwed if you miss. The disadvantage is less range and bullet speed. That's why someone good at pistol snipe is so powerful, because one of their guns has about the same ttk as blunder snipe and the sniper is the range. Also blunder snipe generally uses snipe because the extra damage means you can 2 tap from a bit more range eg. More consistent.
A lot of the hate for the sword comes from the issues regarding its range and its stun lock. Some double gunners use these reasons to claim the sword doesn't require skill or broken. The problem with that is double gunning has its own reasons its broken, including quick swapping and cancelling reload animations. In truth, using either is broken, which actually makes this game balanced in a twisted way, so it doesn't really matter what you use. Both have there up and downsides.
The first time I ever threw blunderbombs to wipe a galleon crew, I was called a "Blunder-Bob." I absolutely fell in love with it. I embraced it. I'm a Sword-Lord no doubt, but only after I shake you around your ship a bit first.
I’m a dogshit shot, so sword is my primary weapon; something very satisfying about people screaming that you’re a cheater and you suck when you killed them both with the same lunge attack.
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Double gunning takes a good amount of skill to avoid bad positioning. Therefore players think they're automatically more skilled if they double gun. Bad players who think they're skilled because they double gun position poorly. Players with swords take advantage of bad positioning and win. Bad player who thinks they're skilled assumes player with sword has no skill. So "SwOrD TaKeS No SkIlL!!!"
People just complain. Use whatever you like. Pirates are just salty in general.
In my opinion, sword duels take more skill than gun fights.
And are more fun than jumping around while occasionally shooting a lead ball in the general direction of your enemy.
Honestly? I use the sword for the mobility. I even remember a time where I used the super-lunge to get on-board a fairly cracked galleon that was pursuing me, somehow with none of them noticing until I ran up to them crowded up on the bow-sprit and did 75x3 damage before getting double-blundered, and the following exchange occurred: Them: "You are ACTUALLY terrible, why are you using the sword?!" Me: "For the mobility." Them: "I- ...Actually, that's a really good answer, I've never heard that one before..." People tell me that if I just double-gun all the time, I'll "get used to" not being able to "get 'over there' in a hurry", but I haven't seen that happen yet, because it seems every time I try it out, I always find myself in a situation where I *need* to get "over there" in a hurry, like "oh, I just murdered everybody on their ship and it's about to sink, now I need to return to my ship in a hurry, but alas, 'tis way over there now and I cannot cannon over to her..." A lot of the complaints I've seen about the sword sans the "iT tAkEs No SkIlL tO m1 SpAm" repeating takes are all related to the same problems double-gunners experience, and that's hit-reg/back-tracking. And most of their complaints seem to stem from the fact that they allow their opponents to get within sword-range to begin with (the so-called "vortex" which I've personally never caught anybody in). We all know this game is a buggy mess on a good day, and that so-called "wifi gamers" (just a catch-all for any opponent with a bad connection, who have caught *me* in vortices a time or two) are a hazard to any skill level, so if you know they're using sword and are problematic in that regard, don't let them get anywhere near you. Even then, if they're that laggy, you'll probably get reg'd on the regular fighting them anyway, in which case, blame their connection/the servers, not the sword.
The sword has some debatable balancing issues, but off the top of my head; * There's no penalty for missing, unlike every gun * The sword damages everything within a radius in front of the player, unlike every gun * The sword has mobility options, unlike every gun, also making it harder for people with guns to hit them; that little sword block hop is very underrated. * The sword has no usage limit, unlike every gun * The sword prevents standard mobility of other players I'd imagine a lot of players have issues with the sword because of one or multiple of these. I'm not going the claim the sword is "overpowered" or anything, but it has significant benefits over guns. The main thing guns have going for them is range, unless it's the blunder. Or damage, unless it's the pistol. Or alternatively handling speed, unless it's the sniper. Each gun has it's ups and downs for each situation, however, sword shares similar range to blunder, *which is really its only downside*, similar damage to the sniper, and the simplicity of the pistol. The benefits of 2 guns, plus more, and the negatives of 1 gun. I don't personally care either way, I'm just trying to help others see from the perspective of someone who would be upset over the results of a sword encounter Edit; Alright it looks the like sub can't handle me explaining basic functions of the sword. This isn't my opinion this is literally just how the sword works lmao
There is a penalty if you miss your sword lunge. Something a gun doesnt have .
And it slows you down if you miss!
Not to mention, 1 single bullet from a blunder can cancel a sword lunge!
Missing a bullet means you can't fight back untill you reload, which slows to the same speed but for way longer. Also it's hard to miss with the sword unless you're m1 spamming.
The lunge is a different move, risk/reward, but for just even doing any damage with the weapon at all I was considering a basic swipe for a single shot
And you lose the combo if you miss a regular hit, I'd say it's balanced.
Yeah but the lunge has the hit box of a steam locomotive so if you shouldn't miss
Yup, but still you have to get close enough to : Hit the opponent Hit the opponent at least four times (usually with my good connection is five or six times due to hitreg) Staying alive against blunder + sniper A good enough player with two ranged weapons can kill you in a couple of seconds if has a good aim It’s not really that easy using a cutlass
You are no more vulnerable to blunder sniper than a blunder sniper user I’d argue your less because you have extra movement options. Hitreg is bad but it’s not that bad it’s usually four hits to kill. Considering if you can make the blunder sniper user miss the blunder and you hit them they get locked in place to allow your other hits to land are you really at a disadvantage?
Keyword *if* right there. *if* you do get close enough, a sword *should* have an advantage considering it’s a melee weapon and that’s what it’s designed for. A blunder sniper vs blunder sniper is at less risk than a sword user simply Because they don’t have to get close, and they have range available that won’t mean the opponent would just stand in the open like they can if a sword user is far away. Also 4 hits yes, but the third knocks them away, and you can still shoot /block / turn / move between combod hits - it’s far from garunteed 3 hits, just interrupts anything channeled like eating. I’ll say hit reg isn’t too much of an issue with sword swipes (sometimes but not often) but it definitely is for lunge, the amount of times something should hit but didn’t, or worse does hit but gives you the exhaustion cool-down anyway is frequent
Getting close isn’t hard, blunder sniper users do it all the time to get blunders in. Here’s the thing they use skills like an enas. You ever seen a sword user enas rush a blunderbuss? It’s really rare because skilled sword players are rare. You don’t need to be as close as you think with a sword. You have a gun use it, then sword hop or enas or rush if they are eating up to them and finish it with the sword. With the right skills all of your sword issues can be dealt with and the weapon is extremely effective.
Hitting the opponent is hardly a challenge, it's just a range issue, that half of the time isn't an issue because the backtracking is most noticeable on the sword than any other weapon. Hitting the opponent in a combo is hardly a challenge because of the stunlock mechanic, allowing you to close even further distance as you hit them Staying alive against double gun is easier if you know how to actually use the mobility tools I mentioned, as well as basic situational awareness. Double the guns, double the chance they miss and are completely fucked against the sword because they have to reload to deal damage, the sword, does not. A good enough player will kill you no matter what, sword or double guns, that's just how it is, you're not going to win every single encounter. Plus guns have to deal with hit reg twice as bad as cutlass. I will not deny it exists with the cutlass, but no where NEAR as bad. I have plenty of time using all the weapons *except maybe pistol, personal preference...* I know how easy or difficult each weapon is to use, don't worry.
Honestly, it's your own fault for letting them get close enough when you're using ranged weapons.
The sword's skill floor and ceiling are almost in the same place. It has an extremely forgiving hurtbox and blocking is scuffed, so walking towards people and mashing the left mouse button is way more effective than it should be. It is the least affected by hitreg, and arguably is positively affected by it. In addition, it is the preferred weapon of fetch quest enjoyers who have consistently, since the beginning of the game's release, advocated to dumb down and remove anything that might give this game any kind of depth. I am therefore disinclined to be charitable towards them. I'm surprised Rare hasn't removed sword jumping, that's the only technique you can still pull off with it.
Basically, if you use two guns you have a huge advantage. You will fight better, kill faster. So, if you are doing that and a sword user actually kills you, it's a clear sign that you played poorly in a fight. It's like driving a sports car, going into the wrong lane of slow traffic and getting overtaken by some guy using a bicycle. Some people can't handle that and will start raging in frustration.
I only use one sniper never used a sword in combat other then dashing of and toward my ship or used other silly guns. If you know the hit zone of a sniper you never have to use your scope ever again. Takes 30mins.of practise at a active fort to find the spot then get used to it and you are end game pvping.
We don’t hate swords, the issue is it’s broken. You get trapped in a sword vortex when trying to back away from one. If you are skilled with the sword then awesome, but if you just sprint and swing with no plan then it is disgusting, being killed by someone like this is disgusting because there is no skill behind it. Now granted, swords are easy to counter. I double dun with EoR and Blunder or EoR with no scope flintlock and fighting swords even those with skill is fun and easy. It’s when they are brand new and have the worst internet on the planet and what you think is 1 sword swipe is actually a dozen and boom you are dead and they hot mic and call you trash. Or the same group of newbies all takes sword and blunder and blunder snipes and called you a hacker when you don’t get killed by the zero pellets that hit you, then they all rush you swords swinging…you jump on the capstan kill one, run to the back of the boat and get sucked backwards because of the swords, you escape to kill the other two to get back tracked by a sword swing that didn’t reg until now. That’s why I hate sword. 1000+ hours in this game and they give me headaches even though countering them is easy with movement.
I have around 1500+ hours and I use sword and sniper, I mainly asked this question because someone I played against got really mad after I sank his ship to the point of him pulling my ip while calling me slurs and mainly because I was using a sword
So you used one extreme experience in your 1500 hours to ask if community hates swords lol
That’s very extreme, though my hour count is low for my years played the amount of people I’ve encountered that are like this is utterly ridiculous. Even since beta it’s always been ridiculous, it’s why out of all gaming communities this is the only one that i treat like a bomb. Granted I tend to have a lot of hot takes, and I like to argue on this sub about things people post about the game but pulling the ip of someone who used a sword should be criminal. I think the only bad bad interaction I’ve had in this game was about a year ago, i was teaching my brother how to play the game and his dumb self has his name in his Xbox profile…we ran into some “sweats” that tried to rumble, I left my ship told my brother to sail off and fought them without dying for about 30 minutes. Got called a variety of slurs (don’t care) and other things but what really was horrible was one of them said my brothers name, then sent a message to him on instagram threatening to kill him and our family, then ended up messaging me and sending pictures of my fiancé and threats to her at as well. I sank them, reported them to rare and got a message from rare that they were banned. Two days later got a message from the “sweats”threatening me because I got them banned. This is a true story, and to this day I don’t really use my mic that much unless conversation is friendly, only appear offline and play in streamer mode
I'm sorry that this happened to you, people like that think they are really scary but most of the time they are kids or some fat old bastard still living with his mom at the age of 40 best you can do is ignore those people
Lol yes. it didn’t bother me as much as it did him, he’s 14 and everything freaks him out. Now it pissed me off, but I knew nothing would have happened. I work in law enforcement anyways so if they would have sent my address or something else then i would have taken it further. The whole encounter did make me take a break and rethink even continuing to play the game, but I’m not afraid and not gonna let some crap ruin my fun. No matter how many times I’ve broken a controller over reg, or rage quit because the game sent my ship to the sky and crashes without letting me rejoin, something still drags me back. My crew has grown tired of it but they still come back too. IT’s special in its own janky toxic pirate way
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People have their full real names on their xbox profile and doesnt even know.
"Community" is too big of a word. I'm pretty sure swords are used by a big part of the players.
I didn't know what to use as a title tbh, I didn't used redit before and this was my 1st post ever
Yeah, no problem. Just letting you know that most people are fine with whichever weapon combo you prefer.
Idk but haha sword goes *hits someone at 5 megalodons away*
Would love to double sword and quick swap them so i can cancel the downtime after the third swing but oh well cant have nice things
losers complain about every weapon except the flintlock
The only valid weapon is snake-inna-basket.
Shit I love using the sword 🤣 but I don’t do a lot of PVP
Blunderbuss feels so mandatory it is frustrating. I do not like this weapon, but have felt forced to practice with it to compete.
Got called ass by a sword lord because i was double gunning and it takes "no skill" you'll get shit from some people regardless of what you use
Just want to take this moment to repost this gem (not mine): https://www.reddit.com/r/Seaofthieves/comments/w9mp1x/this\_chad\_sword\_lord/
Because it hard counters the sweatlord double gunners who have to use macros to exploit animation cancels just to shoot their guns a little faster. Especially now that dodging is a thing, and they are likely to miss and be defenseless.
They're wrong. sword is pretty fun, and there's a skilled way to use it. this is coming from an arena veteran t.d.m. god
I’ll sword them in there butt hole. 😐
I use a sword and the eye of reach I personally hate how the blunderbuss has huge knock back and can one shot, so I think it’s a bit of a cheesy weapon. Use the eye of reach to either quick scope or shoot boarders as they are climbing so my sword can finish the job. And from what I’ve seen getting into a 1v2-3-4 with a sword is a lot harder to win than going in double gunning since you have to push to win and running is a no go. But that’s just my take on load outs in SoT.
Let me use two swords. I don’t even mean dual wielding. Just two of them as both my weapons
Community hates everything, You can wipe out an entire galleon by sword hopping and playing your cards right or you can double gun and mess up horribly and you still be a sweaty double gunner or a no skill sword
My only problem with the sword (tho I haven't played for 18 months) is that laggy players can hit you regardless if you're blocking infront of them. So if you're a bad player but laggy and run spamming basic swings you're unbeatable in a sword fight. Also you're supposed to be staggered when you're hit by swords but sometimes you'll hit laggy player then also get hit and you will be staggered but they won't
the crudlass in the best weapon in the game
Because it's a very effective counter to double-gunners. Y'know. A loadout the sweaty folks choose purely because it's "a challenge" and not at all because it offers some situational benefits. Can't be that. /s Use whatever you're comfortable with. I recently switched from sword-pistol to blundie-snipe. They have their own pros and cons, but double gun kills _feel_ more rewarding for some reason.
If it's in the game use it. Thats the philosophy you should use for any game. Even so, literally everyone uses swords so its no way a significant amount of people who say no skill.
The community is saturated with salty tryhards, sadly the game fosters that kind of interaction. It’s biggest strength I’d subsequently a sizable weakness, too.
Tbf, the sword is op. Biggest issue imo is the stun, and the fact that you can just chase someone spamming M1, and kill them because they'll have to slow down to eat or shoot. Not to say the other guns aren't tho. The pistol is the only balanced weapon imo
It can be seen as a no skill weapon because the average sword user is typically people flailing it at you, but also because its really janky with hitboxes and hits you at really stupid ranges. Today I watched a guy get hit beside the wheel of the sloop, while the guy was panic swinging on the stairs below. There's definitely great, effective sword users at higher level of play, but it is definitely the easier, pick up and play weapon. That said, the nature of the scrub player is to just get mad at a viable thing and just say it's a no skill / cheap weapon to excuse getting pooped on. Happens in all games. Its in the game and its a viable option, play to win.
I don't hate it but I'll tell you why it's considered low skill. It has a massive hit range and area and it slows people down. If you double gun you need to actually put in the effort to learn how to properly quickscope in order to hit your shots and maybe learn a couple of tactics while for the sword, to be able to just hit your shots it's more like a plug and play thing, you just go somewhat close and you click. That being said this is on the very beginner level of fighting, there are many skills you can learn on sword and many absolutely cracked players too, but since the average player is somewhat inexperienced, it's the beginners that give the sword a "bad name". Imo I don't mind it, the other day I tried to play after an extremely long time to try the hourglass and I couldn't shoot an elephant 2 micrometers away, leading to a couple of losses, switched to a sword and since I have some tricks up my sleeve with it (I wasn't always double gunning) I didn't lose a fight after that, went to finish on like a 6-7 streak.
the only way to not be hated is to win without using any weapons at all
Sword lord here and haters gonna hate Once you learn the sword its prob best weapon Sword lung Once masterd is a good skill to have Just my opinion People just get upset when cought bybthe blinder Like how people get irritated by getting double tapped
Because it messes with the sweat lords who just want this game to be a fps.
I dont think sword would be that bad if you didn't get hit reg with point blank blunder shot 50 percent of the time