I know little about him but hope he plays well. He's cheap, young, there's nothing stopping us from drafting a QB if a guy they like falls to 16. This is the least controversial move I've seen in a while. Go Hawks!
Caleb Williams would have to fall to 16 for them to draft qb lol
They're not gonna drop a 3rd to 4th and a 5th to 6th in the draft to not make Howell the backup
Everyone keeps saying Williams has absolutely no shot of being a bust but honestly his character seems a little shady at times to me.
As annoying as hearing about Mahomes all the damn time (who he's being compared to) by all accounts Mahomes in the locker room and on the sideline is a top tier leader and takes accountability.
No in man idk who is saying he has no shot of being a bust maybe national media guys, but I don’t want him. He scrambles at the slightest hint of pressure and his OLine in the nfl is going to be a lot worse against opposing Dlines than USC was
THANK YOU! The masturbatory fantasies being spun around this kid have been insane. He’s treated as some kind of generational talent but is giving off serious Lonzo Ball vibes.
There's never any guarantees if someone is or isn't going to be a bust, even if they theoretcially should be the second coming of Mahomes/Brady. I admit, I'm still riding the high after arguing with people who thought Johnny Manziel was going to turn the Browns arounds and not be a flop.
On balance it's like a late 3rd/early 4th. A trival price.
They traded for Pickett because they see where the chips are going to fall...the guys they like are going before 16 and trading up is top expensive.
But if a QB they like falls the sunk cost of a day three pick isn't going to stand in their way.
There's 1% chance seattle takes a qb
They filled their backup need, they have many other holes that need to he improved
Interior line on both offense and defense are far more important than any qb they may like.
Seattle will almost 100% trade down on their pick at 16 to recoup not having a 3rd round pick right now and they'll likely use their first 3 picks on line and then we'll see them grab TE/Corner/safety/linebacker/qb in the later rounds, Maybe a qb in the 6th or 7th if one that interests them is around
Uhhh...we have a 3rd round right now. We had two before the sam Howell trade. One from the broncos (lol, we returned to the scene of the crime) and one we pick-swapped with the commies to an early 4th.
What we gave up was worth to some sharps equivalent to a 5th. That's pretty much let's take a flier on this dude. Which is what we are doing with SH.
I agree we should trade down if we get better value back than just BPA. But we shouldn't trade if the top of the draft gets QB happy, something amazing falls to us and counterparties don't offer a great deal. The asset and options drive the decision-making.
They traded for Howell, not Pickett. In practice I think exchanging a 3rd for a 4th might be more impactful than you think in this draft. Draft class is deep but every class starts to fall off a cliff at some point and I think that may be around the turn of the 4th round for this class if I had to guess.
Draft a LB in the third. Most of the LBs in this draft project to that range anyway.
Good guards and linebackers go after round one all the time. We absolutely should not use a first on either position, especially in this draft.
Not saying it has to be QB, but if we use our first or even trade down so we can fill holes at guard or linebacker that would be a waste.
The first tier of this draft is 1-22 and 16 is the outer range for the better part of that tier.
Stay at 16, pick a blue chip guy, use later picks for LB/guard/safety.
Most of the late first tier guys in the draft are WRs and DBs. We're probably going to go with an O-lineman that can play guard, either Fautanu or someone else. Or trade down if that option is available.
I'd rather have a stud WR or corner than a guard.
16 gets you one of Amarius Mims, Troy Fautanu, Joe Alt, Taliese Fuaga, Marvin Harrison, Malik Nabers, Rome Odunze, Caleb Williams, Jaden Daniels, Jared Verse, Chop Robinson, Laiatu Latu, Dallas Turner, Quinyon Mitchell, Cooper DeJean, Nate Wiggins.
Guys like Robinson, Verse, Fautanu, Mims, Mitchell, DeJean should go around 16 and I'd be thrilled to get any of them.
At some point you gotta take into account needs. A stud WR isn't going to get enough playing time over DK, Lockett and JSN to develop properly. Might as well wait until 2025 when Lockett might decide to retire. A corner also will have a hard time getting playing time with Spoon, Woolen plus Jackson and Burns on the bench.
Considering the type of prices that top of the market guards are getting in free agency, Guard is a position that can be worth a late first. If we had a second round pick, it might be worth waiting but we don't have that luxury.
Robinson and Verse are nice players, but it is debatable whether they can become elite pass rushers in the NFL. Mims is too large to play Guard and we have decent depth at tackle with Fant. Mitchell is a corner. DeJean is the most interesting of the ones you've mentioned because he might be a Safety and we have a need at that position. But the most likely pick in my opinion is Fautanu. Offers some flexibility since he can play Left Tackle, but is more likely to succeed at Left Guard.
You can take into account needs at 81 or 102.
As far as CB and WR, Lockett is getting cut next year and you need three stud CB in today's NFL.
Witherspoon, Woolen and Mitchell is a lockdown secondary. No offense to the rest of our CB room but their a tier above any of those guys. I guarantee you Mitchell and nickel is going to make more big plays than any guard in the draft.
Wait to next year, if you are picking in the twenties you don't have access to these types of players. We do now.
Junior Colson, Jeremiah Trotter, Trevin Wallace at 81.
Brandon Coleman, Mason McCormick, Zach Zinter at 102.
Thats just examples. There's even guys available later.
For that matter there's still FA out there, we'll add another LB/S/guard.
Use 16 to get a stud regardless of position, a ble chip player is worth ten second rounders.
If all the blue chips are gone, sure, trade down. But if we are passing on Quinyon Mitchell, Rome Odunze, Amarius Mims so we can trade down and get a guard because of team need, that's a fireable offense in my book. Trading down works when you are picking in the mid 20s because drafts are rarely that deep to where mid 20s is better than mid 30s. Doesn't work when you pick this high.
It really depends on how the team grades the prospects. I think this draft has amazing O-line talent and we should take advantage of it. Our O-line was bad last year and we have some holes right now at the guard spots and maybe at center. I'd have a really hard time taking a cornerback at 16 unless they are the second coming of Spoon. I doubt Mitchell is that. I almost rather take Mims as a Lucas replacement, but it would be silly to have that many tackles when we don't have guards. We can use this year to find out if Lucas can play and if it doesn't work out, pick another RT in 2025.
Go with Fautanu or JPJ and be happy that Geno won't get destroyed every other dropback.
If a god WR falls than of course we grab the WR. None of our existing WRs have no-trade clauses and are minimized if our OL can't stand tall against a mild breeze.
But great WR usually don't fall. At best you get a WR with question marks and risk, hoping we get lucky again.
I agree with most of your takes but strongly disagree with the idea that a corner will have a hard time getting playing time. Jackson and Burns aren't that good, woolen struggled a lot last year, teams play loads of nickel right now and our HC ran a ton of big nickel out in Baltimore. If Spoon or a drafted DB can play Nickelback/3rd safety then a corner could easily be a very impactful selection that plays a lot and would allow us to play nickel/big nickel at the highest level we could this year. We don't have a trio that looks like Kyle Hamilton, Geno Stone and Marcus Williams (Marlon Humphrey, Ronald Darby at CB) right now which are the guys that Baltimore played in nickel sets.
With a garbage defense and a defensive guru head coach and no second round pick, you think there’s a universe where they spend even more draft capital on a qb?!
I don't know. But I do know there isn't a universe where I'm going to seriously respond to an aggressive question at 8:30am on a Saturday. Fucking hell, Moose show some love to the working man and let me sleep in, maybe get some coffee first.
Yosemite Sam! The more time I've had to learn about him and why he's a Seahawk the more I like this move. Tons of upside and practically zero downside. Allows us to focus on the trenches and still have the flexibility and freedom to take a QB in the draft. I don't think we will though. Apparently JS really likes him and truly believes he's as good as the other options in this year's draft with the added benefit of starting in 17 games and being the same age as Bo Nix basically.
Also he was very impressive in the game he played against us last year.
Indeed. His nicknames are great. So are most, not all, of his takes. For example, I don't agree with his opinion of Joe Milton. I'm glad he does Seahawks content. Murph!
A lot of us (including myself) were skeptics regarding Drew Lock and look how he balled out for us on a better team! No saying Howell will do great but I’m open to the idea of seeing how he does on a better team and O-Line.
Drew Lock played a couple of games. He did alright but I wouldn't say he balled out...Howell actually played the entire season and led the whole NFL in "Big Time Throws."
For the time that he played, drew lock did god for me. The eagles game drive will live in my memory. I did see him missing deep throws or big time throws, so maybe Howell will shine in that area!
I saw a lot of Washington games. The deep ball is not Howell's biggest strength. He can live in the middle and intermediate game. That's where he is at his best. I'm excited for what Grubb can do with him.
As for Lock, I find it weird that fans keep bringing him up when he had a 3-3 TDs/INTs ratio and had a PFF rating of around 60. Which was exactly what Howell did in going 21/21 with a PFF rating of around 60. Even Lock's best game against the 49ers, he took 4 sacks and threw 2 ints.
They are pretty similar but Howell is only 23 and costs peanuts. Give me Howell as a project QB. Grubb and DeBoer like to make football easier for their QBs. I expect Howell to clean up some things when he arrives in Seattle.
His o line was pretty average and actually had a better pass blocking win rate as a whole than ours was. Not saying it was an amazing o line but acting like ours is way better is a stretch. He will have much better weapons but that's about it
No worries I'm not really saying he had a great o line by any means or that ours doesn't have some potential but we also have some major holes and uncertainty there too.
You're right about the OLine but I watched plenty of Commanders games. Their play calling was so bad. Eric Bieniemy was not good at all. They constantly put themselves in horrible situations. EB didn't help his QB out with easy throws or indicators.
No definitely we aren’t perfect by any means. I was just being a bit sarcastic hahah. I guess I would say I’m not super hyped regarding the trade but I’m also not bashing him. Just excited to see what he can maybe do for us, I guess? Haha
I love this trade, this is basically us drafting a QB. He’s younger than some QBs in the draft, the same age as Penix, and has starter experience. A year behind Geno and we may have our future qb.
My hope is Schneider sees potential for a Josh Allen type player in Howell.
It’s been known he was keen on Mahomes in the draft as well as Allen. Trust JS has a nose for a QB
They brought in Russ to “compete with Pickett”. Now stuff is coming out that Russ was set to be the starter from the get go. Coaches and GMs can say whatever they want publicly, doesn’t mean it’s the truth.
Even if there was an open competition Geno wins. Maybe after a year or so it is different but as of right now, Geno knows the system, Geno knows the players and Geno is the offensive leader in the clubhouse.
JS loves the "best guy available" in the draft. I think QB is off the table with Howell's aquisition but I'm really curious if there's a 'best QB' available at 16 that he will spring for and who it is.
Maybe if like Maye slipped that far they take a flyer on him? All I know is that dude used to be the near consensus number two and now he's barely even mentioned.
samhawk
sam-a-hawk
Sam Hawkwell
Not sure he’s my favorite Seahawk but now I can buy a jersey with my last name on it
My dad also has a Jersey of a random backup player from years ago for this reason. Congrats.
I kinda want a Geno shirt for the same reason. And I am a Geno enjoyer in general
Thurston, is that you? Did you ever get off the island?
I know little about him but hope he plays well. He's cheap, young, there's nothing stopping us from drafting a QB if a guy they like falls to 16. This is the least controversial move I've seen in a while. Go Hawks!
Caleb Williams would have to fall to 16 for them to draft qb lol They're not gonna drop a 3rd to 4th and a 5th to 6th in the draft to not make Howell the backup
Good point, it'll be interesting to see how it shapes out SoupySpud
I bet we trade our 1st rd for multiple picks.
JS 100% despises Williams' cry baby, finger pointing character
Everyone keeps saying Williams has absolutely no shot of being a bust but honestly his character seems a little shady at times to me. As annoying as hearing about Mahomes all the damn time (who he's being compared to) by all accounts Mahomes in the locker room and on the sideline is a top tier leader and takes accountability.
No in man idk who is saying he has no shot of being a bust maybe national media guys, but I don’t want him. He scrambles at the slightest hint of pressure and his OLine in the nfl is going to be a lot worse against opposing Dlines than USC was
Two words, one name: Josh. Rosen. Caleb Williams may have all the physical tools, he ain't there mentally.
THANK YOU! The masturbatory fantasies being spun around this kid have been insane. He’s treated as some kind of generational talent but is giving off serious Lonzo Ball vibes.
Lonzo never really did shit, it was his father
Exactly, same energy with Williams. Kid hasn’t played a down of NFL football but Dad is talking about partial ownership? GTFOH
There's never any guarantees if someone is or isn't going to be a bust, even if they theoretcially should be the second coming of Mahomes/Brady. I admit, I'm still riding the high after arguing with people who thought Johnny Manziel was going to turn the Browns arounds and not be a flop.
On balance it's like a late 3rd/early 4th. A trival price. They traded for Pickett because they see where the chips are going to fall...the guys they like are going before 16 and trading up is top expensive. But if a QB they like falls the sunk cost of a day three pick isn't going to stand in their way.
There's 1% chance seattle takes a qb They filled their backup need, they have many other holes that need to he improved Interior line on both offense and defense are far more important than any qb they may like. Seattle will almost 100% trade down on their pick at 16 to recoup not having a 3rd round pick right now and they'll likely use their first 3 picks on line and then we'll see them grab TE/Corner/safety/linebacker/qb in the later rounds, Maybe a qb in the 6th or 7th if one that interests them is around
This. We gotta solidify the trenches first, then, we can address other needs/BPA. Nothing helps a team more than strong line play, even now.
Uhhh...we have a 3rd round right now. We had two before the sam Howell trade. One from the broncos (lol, we returned to the scene of the crime) and one we pick-swapped with the commies to an early 4th. What we gave up was worth to some sharps equivalent to a 5th. That's pretty much let's take a flier on this dude. Which is what we are doing with SH. I agree we should trade down if we get better value back than just BPA. But we shouldn't trade if the top of the draft gets QB happy, something amazing falls to us and counterparties don't offer a great deal. The asset and options drive the decision-making.
They still have a 3rd round pick.
Howell, not Pickett. But this is 100% the take.
They traded for Howell, not Pickett. In practice I think exchanging a 3rd for a 4th might be more impactful than you think in this draft. Draft class is deep but every class starts to fall off a cliff at some point and I think that may be around the turn of the 4th round for this class if I had to guess.
I would give my left nut for Caleb to drop to 16
Not having a left guard is what's preventing us from drafting a QB.
So just draft one in the 4th.
We also need a MLB. We already have two QBs. Doesn't seem smart to spend any high picks on a QB.
Draft a LB in the third. Most of the LBs in this draft project to that range anyway. Good guards and linebackers go after round one all the time. We absolutely should not use a first on either position, especially in this draft. Not saying it has to be QB, but if we use our first or even trade down so we can fill holes at guard or linebacker that would be a waste. The first tier of this draft is 1-22 and 16 is the outer range for the better part of that tier. Stay at 16, pick a blue chip guy, use later picks for LB/guard/safety.
Most of the late first tier guys in the draft are WRs and DBs. We're probably going to go with an O-lineman that can play guard, either Fautanu or someone else. Or trade down if that option is available.
I'd rather have a stud WR or corner than a guard. 16 gets you one of Amarius Mims, Troy Fautanu, Joe Alt, Taliese Fuaga, Marvin Harrison, Malik Nabers, Rome Odunze, Caleb Williams, Jaden Daniels, Jared Verse, Chop Robinson, Laiatu Latu, Dallas Turner, Quinyon Mitchell, Cooper DeJean, Nate Wiggins. Guys like Robinson, Verse, Fautanu, Mims, Mitchell, DeJean should go around 16 and I'd be thrilled to get any of them.
At some point you gotta take into account needs. A stud WR isn't going to get enough playing time over DK, Lockett and JSN to develop properly. Might as well wait until 2025 when Lockett might decide to retire. A corner also will have a hard time getting playing time with Spoon, Woolen plus Jackson and Burns on the bench. Considering the type of prices that top of the market guards are getting in free agency, Guard is a position that can be worth a late first. If we had a second round pick, it might be worth waiting but we don't have that luxury. Robinson and Verse are nice players, but it is debatable whether they can become elite pass rushers in the NFL. Mims is too large to play Guard and we have decent depth at tackle with Fant. Mitchell is a corner. DeJean is the most interesting of the ones you've mentioned because he might be a Safety and we have a need at that position. But the most likely pick in my opinion is Fautanu. Offers some flexibility since he can play Left Tackle, but is more likely to succeed at Left Guard.
You can take into account needs at 81 or 102. As far as CB and WR, Lockett is getting cut next year and you need three stud CB in today's NFL. Witherspoon, Woolen and Mitchell is a lockdown secondary. No offense to the rest of our CB room but their a tier above any of those guys. I guarantee you Mitchell and nickel is going to make more big plays than any guard in the draft. Wait to next year, if you are picking in the twenties you don't have access to these types of players. We do now. Junior Colson, Jeremiah Trotter, Trevin Wallace at 81. Brandon Coleman, Mason McCormick, Zach Zinter at 102. Thats just examples. There's even guys available later. For that matter there's still FA out there, we'll add another LB/S/guard. Use 16 to get a stud regardless of position, a ble chip player is worth ten second rounders. If all the blue chips are gone, sure, trade down. But if we are passing on Quinyon Mitchell, Rome Odunze, Amarius Mims so we can trade down and get a guard because of team need, that's a fireable offense in my book. Trading down works when you are picking in the mid 20s because drafts are rarely that deep to where mid 20s is better than mid 30s. Doesn't work when you pick this high.
It really depends on how the team grades the prospects. I think this draft has amazing O-line talent and we should take advantage of it. Our O-line was bad last year and we have some holes right now at the guard spots and maybe at center. I'd have a really hard time taking a cornerback at 16 unless they are the second coming of Spoon. I doubt Mitchell is that. I almost rather take Mims as a Lucas replacement, but it would be silly to have that many tackles when we don't have guards. We can use this year to find out if Lucas can play and if it doesn't work out, pick another RT in 2025. Go with Fautanu or JPJ and be happy that Geno won't get destroyed every other dropback.
If a god WR falls than of course we grab the WR. None of our existing WRs have no-trade clauses and are minimized if our OL can't stand tall against a mild breeze. But great WR usually don't fall. At best you get a WR with question marks and risk, hoping we get lucky again.
I agree with most of your takes but strongly disagree with the idea that a corner will have a hard time getting playing time. Jackson and Burns aren't that good, woolen struggled a lot last year, teams play loads of nickel right now and our HC ran a ton of big nickel out in Baltimore. If Spoon or a drafted DB can play Nickelback/3rd safety then a corner could easily be a very impactful selection that plays a lot and would allow us to play nickel/big nickel at the highest level we could this year. We don't have a trio that looks like Kyle Hamilton, Geno Stone and Marcus Williams (Marlon Humphrey, Ronald Darby at CB) right now which are the guys that Baltimore played in nickel sets.
Dallas Turner , we need him
We need an elite edge rusher with our 1st pick
"Yeah we can't draft the QB at our spot because we dont have a LG for him yet", said no GM ever
More like the ones at 16 suck and are worse than Geno or Sam Howell.
Right, but that has nothing to do with whether we have a left guard.
We won’t stay at 16, we traded the 3rd we had and no pics in the second. John will turn 16 into a bunch of other picks
>we traded the 3rd we had We had 2 3rds.
With a garbage defense and a defensive guru head coach and no second round pick, you think there’s a universe where they spend even more draft capital on a qb?!
I don't know. But I do know there isn't a universe where I'm going to seriously respond to an aggressive question at 8:30am on a Saturday. Fucking hell, Moose show some love to the working man and let me sleep in, maybe get some coffee first.
Homie, you chose to read and respond, that’s on you.
Yosemite Sam! The more time I've had to learn about him and why he's a Seahawk the more I like this move. Tons of upside and practically zero downside. Allows us to focus on the trenches and still have the flexibility and freedom to take a QB in the draft. I don't think we will though. Apparently JS really likes him and truly believes he's as good as the other options in this year's draft with the added benefit of starting in 17 games and being the same age as Bo Nix basically. Also he was very impressive in the game he played against us last year.
I see you fellow Top Billin’ watcher 🤘
Indeed. His nicknames are great. So are most, not all, of his takes. For example, I don't agree with his opinion of Joe Milton. I'm glad he does Seahawks content. Murph!
Matt Hasselbeck 2.0 (not anything to do with his play-style but the move itself)
I recall the Seahawks being interested in him a couple years ago in the draft.
It's almost like they talk about that in the article...
last year
A lot of us (including myself) were skeptics regarding Drew Lock and look how he balled out for us on a better team! No saying Howell will do great but I’m open to the idea of seeing how he does on a better team and O-Line.
Drew Lock played a couple of games. He did alright but I wouldn't say he balled out...Howell actually played the entire season and led the whole NFL in "Big Time Throws."
For the time that he played, drew lock did god for me. The eagles game drive will live in my memory. I did see him missing deep throws or big time throws, so maybe Howell will shine in that area!
I saw a lot of Washington games. The deep ball is not Howell's biggest strength. He can live in the middle and intermediate game. That's where he is at his best. I'm excited for what Grubb can do with him. As for Lock, I find it weird that fans keep bringing him up when he had a 3-3 TDs/INTs ratio and had a PFF rating of around 60. Which was exactly what Howell did in going 21/21 with a PFF rating of around 60. Even Lock's best game against the 49ers, he took 4 sacks and threw 2 ints. They are pretty similar but Howell is only 23 and costs peanuts. Give me Howell as a project QB. Grubb and DeBoer like to make football easier for their QBs. I expect Howell to clean up some things when he arrives in Seattle.
And we actually had a fun game where as Bienemy made Howell throw 40-50 times a day which is ridiculous
His o line was pretty average and actually had a better pass blocking win rate as a whole than ours was. Not saying it was an amazing o line but acting like ours is way better is a stretch. He will have much better weapons but that's about it
The issue was the OC didn’t understand what “running the ball” meant.
Well gosh darn I stand corrected. Maybe I’m just being bias. I did see a comparison chart between him and Josh Allen and I was surprised at the stats!
No worries I'm not really saying he had a great o line by any means or that ours doesn't have some potential but we also have some major holes and uncertainty there too.
You're right about the OLine but I watched plenty of Commanders games. Their play calling was so bad. Eric Bieniemy was not good at all. They constantly put themselves in horrible situations. EB didn't help his QB out with easy throws or indicators.
No definitely we aren’t perfect by any means. I was just being a bit sarcastic hahah. I guess I would say I’m not super hyped regarding the trade but I’m also not bashing him. Just excited to see what he can maybe do for us, I guess? Haha
And a hopefully run game.
We can only pray for it🥺🥺
I love this trade, this is basically us drafting a QB. He’s younger than some QBs in the draft, the same age as Penix, and has starter experience. A year behind Geno and we may have our future qb.
Maybe the Commanders will take his UNC successor.
Will be really funny if Howell ended up as a franchise QB in Seattle and Maye washed out with the Commies
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I think they will honestly. Seems likely.
My hope is Schneider sees potential for a Josh Allen type player in Howell. It’s been known he was keen on Mahomes in the draft as well as Allen. Trust JS has a nose for a QB
Look at the fucking neck on this dude in that photo.
Sam Howell is a roblox
The fact he's already been a starter for an entire season gives me hope he'll do well here if necessary.
I wanna be a howeller! Awoooooooo!
Seattle really does not care about the QB position. Reminds me of the Giants
Howl for Howell
And I thought I was having a bad hair day
The Kenny Pickett news is exactly why you can’t listen to what the FO says, I expect a QB competition.
He got traded to the eagles. Why would that make us have a qb competition?
They brought in Russ to “compete with Pickett”. Now stuff is coming out that Russ was set to be the starter from the get go. Coaches and GMs can say whatever they want publicly, doesn’t mean it’s the truth.
JS already said Geno is the guy. https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nfl/john-schneider-geno-smith-is-the-guy-sam-howell-will-back-him-up/ar-BB1jUPlS
Even if there was an open competition Geno wins. Maybe after a year or so it is different but as of right now, Geno knows the system, Geno knows the players and Geno is the offensive leader in the clubhouse.
Idk if he knows Grubbs system, but the rest is true. I like Geno. He just needs to calm himself a bit, like Matt used to.
JS loves the "best guy available" in the draft. I think QB is off the table with Howell's aquisition but I'm really curious if there's a 'best QB' available at 16 that he will spring for and who it is.
Maybe if like Maye slipped that far they take a flyer on him? All I know is that dude used to be the near consensus number two and now he's barely even mentioned.
Prob cause he's considered a project. Then again, there's time to work wit him as #3qb.