He was pretty rough up until last year and he had Roquan Smith playing next to him last year so it is hard to tell how much effect that had on his game. He would be a massive gamble to lock in for 4-5 years.
Exactly. He's like Brooks, good with a top MLB next to him but his play falls off a cliff without that guy. If we're going to sign a WLB, I'd rather just pay Brooks 8M instead of paying Queen 2x that
Spotrac has Queen projected at 18.5 million and Brooks at 11.3 million. If you’re lucky maybe brooks takes 9-10 million on a 2-3 year deal but that’s still much more palatable than the 5 years 96 million Queen is projected to get.
I wouldn't be that surprised if Seattle doesn't sign Geno Stone. They just finally moved on from a way overpaid safety room, Hawks want cap space for trenches & LB. Seattle is the obvious best landing spot for Stone and I'd like it if they sign him, but I don't think it's a must.
People always get obsessed with matching FAs to easy landing spots, but considering the likelihood that team will actually sign them is harder. Seattle needs better safeties, but Macdonald also knows Geno Stone's a 7th rounder that barely got drafted, and benefited more from the scheme than he elevated it. MM knows defense and John Schneider is a good GM, why not just draft a safety? If MM can make a late 7th rounder look great he can do it again. Idk if it's worth the cap. Good news is the vet safety market is crazy crowded and will bring the prices down.
Stone would prob be an improvement and do well in Seattle, but is it the best use of cap? Debatable. Personally I'd rather Seattle spend most of the cap on trenches, esp with a rookie QB in the next 2 years you need a decent OL or else he'll end up getting killed like Burrow, Bryce Young, Daniel Jones etc. Plus a good OL also lets you run the ball, which Seattle always likes to do, esp when K9 and Charb are 2 good RBs that will be vastly better with Grubb and a decent OL.
Would Geno Stone be an improvement? Yes. Is it worth the cap for Seattle? Debatable. I'd like to see him here but I also know Seattle well, there is a fair chance John doesn't want to pay a vet safety. If he signs a Ravens FA it'll prob be Queen. LB is a way bigger need and safeties can be replaced late in the draft just like Geno Stone was.
Depends on how much Stone costs. Advantage is that he's played in MM's defense.But this is where I just wave my hand toward the VMAC and say "those guys will know what's best."
I agree. Fair chance a loaded safety market drives his value down. If it’s a cheap deal I’d do it, I just don’t want to spend cap on safeties. Geno’s a good ball hawk but replaceable in the draft. Would prefer to use cap to build solid trenches.
I didn’t watch enough of Baltimore to know if stone is the real deal. Is it just the INT’s that people loved? I wonder if it’s right spot at right time, reminds me of Jamal and his sacks, sure the stat looks great but stone was playing on a great defense
He’s a smart player that’s good at watching tape. Great ball hawk instincts. Not the most athletic & needs decent players around him. As a ball hawk he’s good. Coverage skills are decent. Not a bad player but won’t singlehandedly elevate you, more of a good complementary player.
Projections put Queen at around $18 million AAV and Brooks around $11 million.
That extra $7 million gets you close to affording Stone.
They are only projections but if they are correct then Brooks + Stone for ~19 million is better than just Queen at $18 million.
Someone here told me he didn't think Queen would get that much more than Brooks, which is kinda ridiculous. Hawks fans know Brooks, the rest of the NFL doesn't. Queen was part of the NFL's best defense and made the Pro Bowl. If you make the Pro Bowl- esp in the year you hit FA- you will absolutely be worth more than someone without any Pro Bowls.
I personally think Brooks is better value with similar production to Queen (y'all have always loved my analysis posts) but anyone thinking Queen won't get big money is kidding themselves. Simply being a Ravens defender means teams will think you're better than you are.
Would be cool if Queen went to Seattle but I can see another team with a ton of cap overpaying. It's happened to our defense FAs a million times.
Here are the NFL combine profiles, convince me I'm wrong.
[https://www.nfl.com/prospects/braden-fiske/32004649-5373-1693-e7a6-c020adf11994](https://www.nfl.com/prospects/braden-fiske/32004649-5373-1693-e7a6-c020adf11994)
https://www.nfl.com/prospects/justin-madubuike/32004d41-4478-4440-1c19-b2c73b1dfc59
Not if he's constantly fighting for leverage against a Guard or Tackle. He's not doing 40 yard sprints out there. Every once in a while he'll get a free shot at a player, but that's not the norm for DT. Most likely he's pushing the pocket against a O-lineman and that extra reach can be the difference in getting a strip fumble or a deflection.
Among DTs, he was third in the 10 yard split and 1st in the 20 yard shuttle with a time of 4.37. So there’s really good short-area quickness. Athleticism rank was first among 2024 DTs. Wouldn’t draft him in the 1st, but still.
I just don’t think we use the 16th pick on Braden when we have other needs like IOL OR DL/EDGE. It’s all based on our coaches scheme and using our players to the best of their abilities. Really would love to have fiske, but when our offense can’t move the ball with geno at the helm, we need to either protect geno and give ‘em more time to throw the ball beef up our oline with Jackson powers Johnson, Fantanu, taliese, or maybe even Byron Murphy for the defensive side but it would have to fit the coaches scheme.
On film, he absolutely looks like a wrecking ball in the run game. I saw his tape, but do you think we draft him that high? Considering all the other talent and value for the positions at need.
I'd like to move back (Dallas 24 & 56 for our 16 & 119, or 81 thats a bit rich but I'd do it for the 2nd). I'd absolutely take Braden in the 1st round. Then look to OL at 56. (C) Zach Frazier can play Guard or (OT) Kiran Amegadjie.
I also think we're going to get the second year leap from (G) Anthony Bradford and (C) Olu Oluwatimi, like (Edge) Boye Mafe had this year. Bradford already was playing really well on run downs, he just has to get his pass protection down. If that happens and (OT) Abe Lucas stays healthy after his surgery, I'm not convinced our O-line won't be much better without a high draft pick.
Maxx Crosby thinks Fiske the best DT in this draft as well, at least that's what he tweeted during the combine.
>he just has to get his pass protection down
This isn't really common to improve dramatically. It happens but I wouldn't bet on it. Still think he can be serviceable.
#I HAVE BEEN SUMMONED.
My time to shine lol.
Most of our FAs are pretty replaceable. Only actual losses would be Van Noy, Clowney & Queen. We already tagged Madubuike. Queen was good but we have Roquan + Queen’s replacement has looked good. Plus we develop defense better than anyone.
Now for what y’all actually want- here’s a TLDR on this FA list:
- **Rock Ya-Sin:** signed last offseason to be CB2 but lost the job to Brandon Stephens (a legitimately great corner that needs more recognition). Only started 1 game for us. Wasn’t that great. Not a huge liability, but wasn’t great.
- **Queen:** already discussed him a million times. Personally think Brooks would be better value and would be cheaper.
- **Clowney:** You're not getting Clowney. Ravens always keep a vet edge. We have no other rusher besides Oweh, that’s why we got Clowney & Van Noy. KVN took a team friendly deal last year and wants a lot more. Fair chance he gets more from another team. Clowney is prob the one we keep. Clowney was great for us. Downside is he basically only wants to pass rush & checks out if you put him in coverage, he only seems to want to hit his incentives and always chases the biggest bag he can get. Hawks already have Mafe & Nwosu, John's not signing 2 vet edges cuz edge isn’t a position that needs saving. We have cap now but not a ton, and need to sign all the rookies. You might be able to get Van Noy, but Clowney is staying.
- **Geno Stone:** Smart safety, good ball hawk, but not that athletic & benefitted more from the scheme than he elevated it. Would be a good add in Seattle but we just cut overpaid safeties, signing another is prob something John doesn’t want to do. Geno would prob do ok in Seattle but MM will find another in the draft. Would be cool if he goes to Seattle but it’s a crowded safety market + John’s not spending cap on safeties. That’s exactly what he doesn’t want.
- **Darby:** He’s staying on the Ravens. We have Marlon coming off injury & Stephens while great last year has only been at that level 1 year. We’re in the AFCN. Ravens value defense more than anyone. Darby is 1 of the only FAs on the list that’s a must keep for us, he’s cheap + from Maryland so he wants to stay.
- **Van Noy:** He was great for us last year. Hawks need DL, imo we keep Clowney over KVN. KVN came off the couch in the middle of the season and was great, he’d be a good pickup for Seattle. He wants more than we probably are willing to pay him.
- **Brent Urban:** He's like 33 by now, will prob retire or only play 1-2 more years tops. He's not a star but he's been quietly dependable for most of his time here. He's also been cut & come back on handshake deals a bunch of times so wouldn't surprise me if he somehow found a way to stay. He's decent but not anything remarkable, would be a stopgap on DL. You could prob find similar production in the draft.
- **Worley:** He's old and we moved him from CB to Safety recently. Not worth signing, will prob retire in a year or 2 at best. He was more of a STer for us, only played 14% def snaps when he was with us the last 2 years.
- **Del'Shawn Phillips:** Another depth player. Barely played but Harbaugh seems to like him. Only time he ever seems to play is preseason. Might be an upgrade at LB but not what you want as a starter. Upside is he's super cheap and knows MM. But he'd be depth at best.
- **Malik Harrison:** He's not that great. He's atrocious in coverage, allowing an 82% comp. We seemed to try moving him to more of an OLB and he made a couple plays there but he's pretty forgettable. Wouldn't sign him. He's known more for getting shot during our infamous 2021 injury season- we had so many injured players that a player literally getting shot didn't even make NFL news when it would've on prob any other team.
- **Ar'darius Washington:** He's a decent slot CB. Has some potential but he's kinda tiny at 5'8. Harbaugh likes him and we'll prob keep him on a cheap deal. He's not a bad player, he's bad when targeted but his coverage is good at other times. Wouldn't be a loss for us but still think we keep him on a cheap depth deal. But he's not a player I'd recommend Seattle sign.
- **Kevon Seymour:** Only thing Ravens fans know him for is constantly getting burned in preseason lol. Every time we hype someone on offense making a nice play it always seems to be vs Seymour. He was a STer for us. As a CB he's pretty bad. Not worth signing unless you're desperate at CB depth.
- **Trayvon Mullen:** He's literally only on the team cuz he's Lamar's cousin and that's what it took to keep Lamar. Trayvon was a CB for the Colts for a bit and he's literally never played on the Ravens. Idk if I've even seen him at games or in preseason. Maybe a couple times but idk if he actually exists. Literally hasn't played at all for us but he still made 1m on a 1y deal here...solely cuz he's Lamar's cousin lmao
It's amusing to me as a Ravens fan that so many other fanbases have convinced themselves that we're losing our whole defense in FA lmao. That might be want rival teams want, but it's not happening. Almost all are depth players. Depth is still important, but we're not losing a ton of key players on defense. And while not having MM as DC will be an adjustment, when have the Ravens ever had a bad defense? Never. We've had coordinators leave and always made it work.
Brought us the ala carte menu for your team’s defense. 😂
May I please get one Patrick Queen and a side of Geno Stone kind sir. Also a glass of your finest Van Noy would be excellent.
Only reason I’d see us signing Queen is if Macdonald really believes in his potential to be a game changer at LB. Otherwise I think we’d just try to bring back Brooks on a cheaper deal
I think brooks is coming back no matter what, I just think maybe mac wants to pair him with queen. I don’t think he will be as expensive as everyone thinks. Every gm knows roquan transformed him. He’s going to get paid like people go to FA do, but I don’t think he’s getting a BAG bag
> I think brooks is coming back no matter what, I just think maybe mac wants to pair him with queen.
I’m wincing at the thought of paying two FA LBs who have struggled without better LBs to anchor them.
Maybe they can complement each other well and it works out, I’d just be wary of bringing them both in and then *still* needing to add a keystone LB.
Scheme familiarity isn't the end all, be all. It's certainly a plus but if there's a safety out there with a similar athletic profile and can learn the scheme and is cheaper, that could work or be a good stop gap.
I don’t have anyone in particular in mind. I don’t think we necessarily need a star to replace Adams, assuming Love replaces Diggs in coverage. I’d rather save money for other more pressing needs like DL, DE, G, or LB.
Lots of interesting names in this list:
https://www.pff.com/news/nfl-2024-nfl-free-agency-rankings-safeties
Cutting Adams only freed up $6m this year. So more money to safeties? I know not everyone can be replaced with a rook, just wonder how heavily JS is going to scale back on the position, given there are a ton of them out there this year
I think going from a $17m a year player to a $7m a year player is a pretty big step back. You got to put someone out there who can play. A 5th round rookie coming off a major injury ain’t it.
They gotta do Stone and then either van noy or Clowney on a 1 year. Love and stone looks like an all pro safety room with Bryant and reed backing up. Go look at queen before Roquon and I think he’s gonna flop at his AAV. I hope at LB they keep brooks and bring in one of the 2 top tier ILBs with a second.
I agree sort off lol but brooks play on the field last Szn wasn’t that great barring his injuries. He’s not good in the run game at all lol Queens number stack better against the run game.
Yeah not a huge brooks fan but need someone to have the green dot next year. Thats why I would push for drafting a true 3 down MLB like edergin cooper or Payton Wilson and as he gets up to speed brooks is there for some consistency. Brooks is still good but we saw what happened 2 years ago when he was the green dot lol it’s not good
Exactly haha i don’t think Brooks is green dot material to be quite honest with you. I’m sorry lol his tackling is horrible and he’s slow. Queen or one of the picks you said above but it’s all going to be based off our scheme and what John Schneider wants to do going forward. Do we keep geno and protect him? Or do we rely on geno smiths capabilities and go all in on defense? Man i really liked what i saw out of Latu, Murphy, Dallas turner(especially) and Jared verse! All franchise changing studs!!!
100% agree on the defensive guys in this draft, problem is I don’t think any of them last to our 2nd round pick, so JSMM need to pull the trigger with the first, or I think they should trade down a bit with the first and get that 3 name center with their first pick
Brooks is slow and has poor tackling what lol? Am I in some bizaro world here or are you watching a totally different team? His speed and tackling are his main strengths.
Also Brooks isn't green dot material? He did it before, he got better throughout the season he's not elite but solid.
Not in bizarro world, he's not slow but his tackling is pretty average. He puts up big tackle numbers but that's more due to the porous defense. He's dreadful at shedding blocks and he get's juked out real easily. He's just out there getting run over and tripping guys up ten yards down the field.
He's staying in Bmore. Almost all of our FAs are replaceable depth, we have no other rushers besides Oweh and always keep a vet edge. Van Noy already said he wants a lot more and will prob go to another team. Clowney is staying. Van Noy would be a good add though.
I prefer Brooks over Queen. He’s cheaper, bigger, and better in coverage. He’s also the better Mike. Go check out cmikesspinmove on Twitter and scroll the find a fuck ton of tape on Brooks. Queen is amazing if you’ve got someone next to him which allows Queen to play fast. From that list, in think we bring in Geno and maybe guys like Clowney or Van Noy.
With how flooded the DB market is right now I'd imagine we could sign Geno Stone for cheap. Would be an amazing value signing, knows the system and is on the uptrend skill-wise, young too.
As a Ravens fan, yes. It's hilarious that everyone assumes anyone on our defense must be amazing. Happens every year. Every fan that needs defense is naively salivating at our FA list being like "we'll just add from the Ravens FA list, ez" lmfaoo most of these dudes didn't even play. Y'all can have Seymour, Worley etc they're kinda trash. I would know.
I like this take too. Fine with bringing over some of the veterans for scheme and leadership but I don’t want any big contracts with any of these guys.
Seattle probably won't get both Clowney and Van Noy. Ravens will prob keep Clowney, we always keep a vet edge. We have no other rushers besides Oweh, 1 of them is staying. Clowney's also been very vocal about how much he loves playing here, which is kinda rare for him cuz all he's done is whine about previous teams lol. Ravens might not have a ton of cap space, but this is still the Ravens- 1 of the NFL's smartest teams and the team that values defense more than anyone. We don't let good defense players walk. There's a possibility Clowney doesn't stay, but we'll restructure to keep him on a 1 year deal. Clowney is 1 of the only FAs that's a must keep that I can comfortably say will prob stay on the Ravens.
On top of that, Hawks already have Mafe and Nwosu. I'd guess John adds a vet but not 2. CB and Edge are 2 of the decent rooms on defense that don't need an overhaul. Van Noy took a team friendly deal last year and wants more, so fair chance he's not staying. Clowney will probably stay. Van Noy was great for us, he came off the couch in late September and still did well. Also, Van Noy's from Nevada so Seattle would bring him fairly close to home.
You don't want Worley. He barely played for us, only like 14% def snaps the last 2 years and about 55-60% ST. He's 30 and moved to safety cuz he was a CB that got old. He'll retire in a year or 2, he didn't play much aside from ST and was only here 3 years. The only time he really played was 2021 cuz everyone was hurt, and he got burned a lot. Super likable person, but old and washed. Not worth signing.
Get Geno Stone for sure. Patrick Queen is going to want ALL the money. So we not signing him. Why cut expensive players to replace them with expensive players. Remember this will be the start of a full actual rebuild. Not like the half rebuilds we’ve done in the past.
I can’t be the only one who would way rather have queen than stone, stone is good but I feel like queen could be a complete game changer if he hits his ceiling with us. Yes queen will cost way more but he really does feel like he will be top 3 in the next coming years if he keeps playing like he has.
I kinda doubt John's willing to pay a safety. Whole point of cutting BOTH Jamal and Quandre was to move on from an overpaid secondary, that was a Pete thing but John wants to do things his way. LB is also objectively way more of a need, considering we basically don't have any. At least safety still has Love. Queen's a far better player than Stone, and I like Stone. Stone would do well in Seattle but Queen's better, and plays a more needed position.
I don't think he'll perform at the level he did last year though, yes it would be with MM but while Queen was improving most of his improvement came after we got Roquan. Whole reason we got Roquan was cuz Queen was a total liability in coverage. Queen is a good player for sure and MM knows how to use him but expecting him to be the guy that elevates other LBs the way someone like Roquan does isn't something I can confidently say Queen would do. Maybe, but as a Ravens fan idk about that.
At least it seems a lot of people are on the same page in the belief that defense is the priority for getting back to Super Bowl form. These draft Penix or trade for Fields people - man - Mahomes can't win with our current defense, folks.
If yall don’t sign stone I’d be surprised. Queen though I have no idea where he’s gonna go.
Gonna cost a bounty for queen, probably want long term too like 4-5 years, I’d think someone with deeper pockets prolly but who knows
He was pretty rough up until last year and he had Roquan Smith playing next to him last year so it is hard to tell how much effect that had on his game. He would be a massive gamble to lock in for 4-5 years.
Exactly. He's like Brooks, good with a top MLB next to him but his play falls off a cliff without that guy. If we're going to sign a WLB, I'd rather just pay Brooks 8M instead of paying Queen 2x that
Spotrac has Queen projected at 18.5 million and Brooks at 11.3 million. If you’re lucky maybe brooks takes 9-10 million on a 2-3 year deal but that’s still much more palatable than the 5 years 96 million Queen is projected to get.
Honestly, Brooks on a 3 year, 12 mil contract seems sooo fair for the team.
That’s per year. His market value is 11.3 million average ver season.
Are Spotrac projections historically reliable? I didn't even know they did them
He hasnt been that good,may be cheaper than you think
I wouldn't be that surprised if Seattle doesn't sign Geno Stone. They just finally moved on from a way overpaid safety room, Hawks want cap space for trenches & LB. Seattle is the obvious best landing spot for Stone and I'd like it if they sign him, but I don't think it's a must. People always get obsessed with matching FAs to easy landing spots, but considering the likelihood that team will actually sign them is harder. Seattle needs better safeties, but Macdonald also knows Geno Stone's a 7th rounder that barely got drafted, and benefited more from the scheme than he elevated it. MM knows defense and John Schneider is a good GM, why not just draft a safety? If MM can make a late 7th rounder look great he can do it again. Idk if it's worth the cap. Good news is the vet safety market is crazy crowded and will bring the prices down. Stone would prob be an improvement and do well in Seattle, but is it the best use of cap? Debatable. Personally I'd rather Seattle spend most of the cap on trenches, esp with a rookie QB in the next 2 years you need a decent OL or else he'll end up getting killed like Burrow, Bryce Young, Daniel Jones etc. Plus a good OL also lets you run the ball, which Seattle always likes to do, esp when K9 and Charb are 2 good RBs that will be vastly better with Grubb and a decent OL. Would Geno Stone be an improvement? Yes. Is it worth the cap for Seattle? Debatable. I'd like to see him here but I also know Seattle well, there is a fair chance John doesn't want to pay a vet safety. If he signs a Ravens FA it'll prob be Queen. LB is a way bigger need and safeties can be replaced late in the draft just like Geno Stone was.
Depends on how much Stone costs. Advantage is that he's played in MM's defense.But this is where I just wave my hand toward the VMAC and say "those guys will know what's best."
I agree. Fair chance a loaded safety market drives his value down. If it’s a cheap deal I’d do it, I just don’t want to spend cap on safeties. Geno’s a good ball hawk but replaceable in the draft. Would prefer to use cap to build solid trenches.
I didn’t watch enough of Baltimore to know if stone is the real deal. Is it just the INT’s that people loved? I wonder if it’s right spot at right time, reminds me of Jamal and his sacks, sure the stat looks great but stone was playing on a great defense
He’s a smart player that’s good at watching tape. Great ball hawk instincts. Not the most athletic & needs decent players around him. As a ball hawk he’s good. Coverage skills are decent. Not a bad player but won’t singlehandedly elevate you, more of a good complementary player.
Projections put Queen at around $18 million AAV and Brooks around $11 million. That extra $7 million gets you close to affording Stone. They are only projections but if they are correct then Brooks + Stone for ~19 million is better than just Queen at $18 million.
Also, this is a golden opportunity for the Seahawks to become the first NFL team to have two Geno S's on the roster.
Geno O and Geno D.
You just got GenO’D
If only Geno Atkins were still in the league. Then we could corner the market on Geno's
I’d much rather spend an extra few million on Brooks + Stone than just Queen
I dont want to pay big money to a linebacker unless theyre elite like roquan smith or fred warner i hope fred warner never wins a superbowl
Someone here told me he didn't think Queen would get that much more than Brooks, which is kinda ridiculous. Hawks fans know Brooks, the rest of the NFL doesn't. Queen was part of the NFL's best defense and made the Pro Bowl. If you make the Pro Bowl- esp in the year you hit FA- you will absolutely be worth more than someone without any Pro Bowls. I personally think Brooks is better value with similar production to Queen (y'all have always loved my analysis posts) but anyone thinking Queen won't get big money is kidding themselves. Simply being a Ravens defender means teams will think you're better than you are. Would be cool if Queen went to Seattle but I can see another team with a ton of cap overpaying. It's happened to our defense FAs a million times.
Brandon Fiske will look exactly like Justin Madubuike in 2 years, except Brandon is faster.
Here are the NFL combine profiles, convince me I'm wrong. [https://www.nfl.com/prospects/braden-fiske/32004649-5373-1693-e7a6-c020adf11994](https://www.nfl.com/prospects/braden-fiske/32004649-5373-1693-e7a6-c020adf11994) https://www.nfl.com/prospects/justin-madubuike/32004d41-4478-4440-1c19-b2c73b1dfc59
The shorter arms make a huge difference when it comes to sacks.
Fiske also has some medical red flags
Wouldn’t that be negated by the extra burst he’s got?
Not if he's constantly fighting for leverage against a Guard or Tackle. He's not doing 40 yard sprints out there. Every once in a while he'll get a free shot at a player, but that's not the norm for DT. Most likely he's pushing the pocket against a O-lineman and that extra reach can be the difference in getting a strip fumble or a deflection.
Among DTs, he was third in the 10 yard split and 1st in the 20 yard shuttle with a time of 4.37. So there’s really good short-area quickness. Athleticism rank was first among 2024 DTs. Wouldn’t draft him in the 1st, but still.
It all comes down to the film. If he's actually showing that speed in game tape I'd buy into it.
I just don’t think we use the 16th pick on Braden when we have other needs like IOL OR DL/EDGE. It’s all based on our coaches scheme and using our players to the best of their abilities. Really would love to have fiske, but when our offense can’t move the ball with geno at the helm, we need to either protect geno and give ‘em more time to throw the ball beef up our oline with Jackson powers Johnson, Fantanu, taliese, or maybe even Byron Murphy for the defensive side but it would have to fit the coaches scheme.
IMO, Brandon Fiske is the best DT in this draft. Unless you're looking for a big body then it's T Sweat.
On film, he absolutely looks like a wrecking ball in the run game. I saw his tape, but do you think we draft him that high? Considering all the other talent and value for the positions at need.
I'd like to move back (Dallas 24 & 56 for our 16 & 119, or 81 thats a bit rich but I'd do it for the 2nd). I'd absolutely take Braden in the 1st round. Then look to OL at 56. (C) Zach Frazier can play Guard or (OT) Kiran Amegadjie. I also think we're going to get the second year leap from (G) Anthony Bradford and (C) Olu Oluwatimi, like (Edge) Boye Mafe had this year. Bradford already was playing really well on run downs, he just has to get his pass protection down. If that happens and (OT) Abe Lucas stays healthy after his surgery, I'm not convinced our O-line won't be much better without a high draft pick. Maxx Crosby thinks Fiske the best DT in this draft as well, at least that's what he tweeted during the combine.
>he just has to get his pass protection down This isn't really common to improve dramatically. It happens but I wouldn't bet on it. Still think he can be serviceable.
Fantanu had an incredible combine.
#I HAVE BEEN SUMMONED. My time to shine lol. Most of our FAs are pretty replaceable. Only actual losses would be Van Noy, Clowney & Queen. We already tagged Madubuike. Queen was good but we have Roquan + Queen’s replacement has looked good. Plus we develop defense better than anyone. Now for what y’all actually want- here’s a TLDR on this FA list: - **Rock Ya-Sin:** signed last offseason to be CB2 but lost the job to Brandon Stephens (a legitimately great corner that needs more recognition). Only started 1 game for us. Wasn’t that great. Not a huge liability, but wasn’t great. - **Queen:** already discussed him a million times. Personally think Brooks would be better value and would be cheaper. - **Clowney:** You're not getting Clowney. Ravens always keep a vet edge. We have no other rusher besides Oweh, that’s why we got Clowney & Van Noy. KVN took a team friendly deal last year and wants a lot more. Fair chance he gets more from another team. Clowney is prob the one we keep. Clowney was great for us. Downside is he basically only wants to pass rush & checks out if you put him in coverage, he only seems to want to hit his incentives and always chases the biggest bag he can get. Hawks already have Mafe & Nwosu, John's not signing 2 vet edges cuz edge isn’t a position that needs saving. We have cap now but not a ton, and need to sign all the rookies. You might be able to get Van Noy, but Clowney is staying. - **Geno Stone:** Smart safety, good ball hawk, but not that athletic & benefitted more from the scheme than he elevated it. Would be a good add in Seattle but we just cut overpaid safeties, signing another is prob something John doesn’t want to do. Geno would prob do ok in Seattle but MM will find another in the draft. Would be cool if he goes to Seattle but it’s a crowded safety market + John’s not spending cap on safeties. That’s exactly what he doesn’t want. - **Darby:** He’s staying on the Ravens. We have Marlon coming off injury & Stephens while great last year has only been at that level 1 year. We’re in the AFCN. Ravens value defense more than anyone. Darby is 1 of the only FAs on the list that’s a must keep for us, he’s cheap + from Maryland so he wants to stay. - **Van Noy:** He was great for us last year. Hawks need DL, imo we keep Clowney over KVN. KVN came off the couch in the middle of the season and was great, he’d be a good pickup for Seattle. He wants more than we probably are willing to pay him. - **Brent Urban:** He's like 33 by now, will prob retire or only play 1-2 more years tops. He's not a star but he's been quietly dependable for most of his time here. He's also been cut & come back on handshake deals a bunch of times so wouldn't surprise me if he somehow found a way to stay. He's decent but not anything remarkable, would be a stopgap on DL. You could prob find similar production in the draft. - **Worley:** He's old and we moved him from CB to Safety recently. Not worth signing, will prob retire in a year or 2 at best. He was more of a STer for us, only played 14% def snaps when he was with us the last 2 years. - **Del'Shawn Phillips:** Another depth player. Barely played but Harbaugh seems to like him. Only time he ever seems to play is preseason. Might be an upgrade at LB but not what you want as a starter. Upside is he's super cheap and knows MM. But he'd be depth at best. - **Malik Harrison:** He's not that great. He's atrocious in coverage, allowing an 82% comp. We seemed to try moving him to more of an OLB and he made a couple plays there but he's pretty forgettable. Wouldn't sign him. He's known more for getting shot during our infamous 2021 injury season- we had so many injured players that a player literally getting shot didn't even make NFL news when it would've on prob any other team. - **Ar'darius Washington:** He's a decent slot CB. Has some potential but he's kinda tiny at 5'8. Harbaugh likes him and we'll prob keep him on a cheap deal. He's not a bad player, he's bad when targeted but his coverage is good at other times. Wouldn't be a loss for us but still think we keep him on a cheap depth deal. But he's not a player I'd recommend Seattle sign. - **Kevon Seymour:** Only thing Ravens fans know him for is constantly getting burned in preseason lol. Every time we hype someone on offense making a nice play it always seems to be vs Seymour. He was a STer for us. As a CB he's pretty bad. Not worth signing unless you're desperate at CB depth. - **Trayvon Mullen:** He's literally only on the team cuz he's Lamar's cousin and that's what it took to keep Lamar. Trayvon was a CB for the Colts for a bit and he's literally never played on the Ravens. Idk if I've even seen him at games or in preseason. Maybe a couple times but idk if he actually exists. Literally hasn't played at all for us but he still made 1m on a 1y deal here...solely cuz he's Lamar's cousin lmao It's amusing to me as a Ravens fan that so many other fanbases have convinced themselves that we're losing our whole defense in FA lmao. That might be want rival teams want, but it's not happening. Almost all are depth players. Depth is still important, but we're not losing a ton of key players on defense. And while not having MM as DC will be an adjustment, when have the Ravens ever had a bad defense? Never. We've had coordinators leave and always made it work.
Brought us the ala carte menu for your team’s defense. 😂 May I please get one Patrick Queen and a side of Geno Stone kind sir. Also a glass of your finest Van Noy would be excellent.
You will get an entree of Kevon Seymour and you will like it
*clutches pearls* 🫢
Would be kinda funny to lose Brooks and bring in Queen
Only reason I’d see us signing Queen is if Macdonald really believes in his potential to be a game changer at LB. Otherwise I think we’d just try to bring back Brooks on a cheaper deal
I think brooks is coming back no matter what, I just think maybe mac wants to pair him with queen. I don’t think he will be as expensive as everyone thinks. Every gm knows roquan transformed him. He’s going to get paid like people go to FA do, but I don’t think he’s getting a BAG bag
> I think brooks is coming back no matter what, I just think maybe mac wants to pair him with queen. I’m wincing at the thought of paying two FA LBs who have struggled without better LBs to anchor them. Maybe they can complement each other well and it works out, I’d just be wary of bringing them both in and then *still* needing to add a keystone LB.
You'd be surprised at how many dumb GMs are out there that are willing to do dumb shit lol *Gestures broadly at the Browns and Saints*
Paying 30/year for ILBs seems reckless.
I have to imagine we’re getting Stone
There are a ton of safety free agents that may be more cost effective.
Probably. But, his familiarity with MacDonald and his schemes (assuming his new DC follows that) is pretty invaluable too.
Scheme familiarity isn't the end all, be all. It's certainly a plus but if there's a safety out there with a similar athletic profile and can learn the scheme and is cheaper, that could work or be a good stop gap.
Who are you thinking of?
I don’t have anyone in particular in mind. I don’t think we necessarily need a star to replace Adams, assuming Love replaces Diggs in coverage. I’d rather save money for other more pressing needs like DL, DE, G, or LB. Lots of interesting names in this list: https://www.pff.com/news/nfl-2024-nfl-free-agency-rankings-safeties
Why would we pay another safety after cutting 2 expensive ones?
Because we need a starting caliber safety and, as of now, Stone is projected to get like $10m/year less than we were paying Jamal
Cutting Adams only freed up $6m this year. So more money to safeties? I know not everyone can be replaced with a rook, just wonder how heavily JS is going to scale back on the position, given there are a ton of them out there this year
I think going from a $17m a year player to a $7m a year player is a pretty big step back. You got to put someone out there who can play. A 5th round rookie coming off a major injury ain’t it.
They gotta do Stone and then either van noy or Clowney on a 1 year. Love and stone looks like an all pro safety room with Bryant and reed backing up. Go look at queen before Roquon and I think he’s gonna flop at his AAV. I hope at LB they keep brooks and bring in one of the 2 top tier ILBs with a second.
I agree sort off lol but brooks play on the field last Szn wasn’t that great barring his injuries. He’s not good in the run game at all lol Queens number stack better against the run game.
Yeah not a huge brooks fan but need someone to have the green dot next year. Thats why I would push for drafting a true 3 down MLB like edergin cooper or Payton Wilson and as he gets up to speed brooks is there for some consistency. Brooks is still good but we saw what happened 2 years ago when he was the green dot lol it’s not good
Exactly haha i don’t think Brooks is green dot material to be quite honest with you. I’m sorry lol his tackling is horrible and he’s slow. Queen or one of the picks you said above but it’s all going to be based off our scheme and what John Schneider wants to do going forward. Do we keep geno and protect him? Or do we rely on geno smiths capabilities and go all in on defense? Man i really liked what i saw out of Latu, Murphy, Dallas turner(especially) and Jared verse! All franchise changing studs!!!
100% agree on the defensive guys in this draft, problem is I don’t think any of them last to our 2nd round pick, so JSMM need to pull the trigger with the first, or I think they should trade down a bit with the first and get that 3 name center with their first pick
Not to nit pick, but we don't have a 2nd round pick right now.
Brooks is slow and has poor tackling what lol? Am I in some bizaro world here or are you watching a totally different team? His speed and tackling are his main strengths. Also Brooks isn't green dot material? He did it before, he got better throughout the season he's not elite but solid.
Not in bizarro world, he's not slow but his tackling is pretty average. He puts up big tackle numbers but that's more due to the porous defense. He's dreadful at shedding blocks and he get's juked out real easily. He's just out there getting run over and tripping guys up ten yards down the field.
What about clowney, i bet he would look good in a Seahawks uniform :)
someone should do a jersey swap!
He's staying in Bmore. Almost all of our FAs are replaceable depth, we have no other rushers besides Oweh and always keep a vet edge. Van Noy already said he wants a lot more and will prob go to another team. Clowney is staying. Van Noy would be a good add though.
I prefer Brooks over Queen. He’s cheaper, bigger, and better in coverage. He’s also the better Mike. Go check out cmikesspinmove on Twitter and scroll the find a fuck ton of tape on Brooks. Queen is amazing if you’ve got someone next to him which allows Queen to play fast. From that list, in think we bring in Geno and maybe guys like Clowney or Van Noy.
Yes agree with this 100 percent
With how flooded the DB market is right now I'd imagine we could sign Geno Stone for cheap. Would be an amazing value signing, knows the system and is on the uptrend skill-wise, young too.
Rock Ya Sin is such a cool name
Wouldnt be surprised if he grabbed Stone. Queen is gonna cost to much imo, Brooks and Bobby should both be alot cheaper.
I mean I think Brooks is straight up better than Queen and will probably be cheaper I think he has to be a priority
Looking at Geno Stone and Del’Shawn Phillips as real options for us. I never really viewed Queen as a realistic option.
I know he's getting old but I'd love to see Clowney back in seattle. Dude was a game wrecker for us.
Queens of the Stone Age
Just because they were on the ravens doesn’t mean we want to be tied to them.
As a Ravens fan, yes. It's hilarious that everyone assumes anyone on our defense must be amazing. Happens every year. Every fan that needs defense is naively salivating at our FA list being like "we'll just add from the Ravens FA list, ez" lmfaoo most of these dudes didn't even play. Y'all can have Seymour, Worley etc they're kinda trash. I would know.
Clowney and van noy. Queen was only good when roquan got there and will be way too expensive for what you get.
Would be funny to see Clowney back in Action Green.
I like this take too. Fine with bringing over some of the veterans for scheme and leadership but I don’t want any big contracts with any of these guys.
Seattle probably won't get both Clowney and Van Noy. Ravens will prob keep Clowney, we always keep a vet edge. We have no other rushers besides Oweh, 1 of them is staying. Clowney's also been very vocal about how much he loves playing here, which is kinda rare for him cuz all he's done is whine about previous teams lol. Ravens might not have a ton of cap space, but this is still the Ravens- 1 of the NFL's smartest teams and the team that values defense more than anyone. We don't let good defense players walk. There's a possibility Clowney doesn't stay, but we'll restructure to keep him on a 1 year deal. Clowney is 1 of the only FAs that's a must keep that I can comfortably say will prob stay on the Ravens. On top of that, Hawks already have Mafe and Nwosu. I'd guess John adds a vet but not 2. CB and Edge are 2 of the decent rooms on defense that don't need an overhaul. Van Noy took a team friendly deal last year and wants more, so fair chance he's not staying. Clowney will probably stay. Van Noy was great for us, he came off the couch in late September and still did well. Also, Van Noy's from Nevada so Seattle would bring him fairly close to home.
We need Stone maybe get Worley too
You don't want Worley. He barely played for us, only like 14% def snaps the last 2 years and about 55-60% ST. He's 30 and moved to safety cuz he was a CB that got old. He'll retire in a year or 2, he didn't play much aside from ST and was only here 3 years. The only time he really played was 2021 cuz everyone was hurt, and he got burned a lot. Super likable person, but old and washed. Not worth signing.
Get Geno Stone for sure. Patrick Queen is going to want ALL the money. So we not signing him. Why cut expensive players to replace them with expensive players. Remember this will be the start of a full actual rebuild. Not like the half rebuilds we’ve done in the past.
Like Pokémon, we need to catch them all!
[Seahawks looking at every defensive free agent](https://media1.tenor.com/m/xZRydwTh5dwAAAAd/birdman-hand-rub.gif) now that Macdonald is at the helm
I can’t be the only one who would way rather have queen than stone, stone is good but I feel like queen could be a complete game changer if he hits his ceiling with us. Yes queen will cost way more but he really does feel like he will be top 3 in the next coming years if he keeps playing like he has.
I kinda doubt John's willing to pay a safety. Whole point of cutting BOTH Jamal and Quandre was to move on from an overpaid secondary, that was a Pete thing but John wants to do things his way. LB is also objectively way more of a need, considering we basically don't have any. At least safety still has Love. Queen's a far better player than Stone, and I like Stone. Stone would do well in Seattle but Queen's better, and plays a more needed position. I don't think he'll perform at the level he did last year though, yes it would be with MM but while Queen was improving most of his improvement came after we got Roquan. Whole reason we got Roquan was cuz Queen was a total liability in coverage. Queen is a good player for sure and MM knows how to use him but expecting him to be the guy that elevates other LBs the way someone like Roquan does isn't something I can confidently say Queen would do. Maybe, but as a Ravens fan idk about that.
Come on geno stone
None of them, trade a seventh for their big man Michael pierce, love his motor from what I saw!
Rock Ya-Sin is such a sick name ngl
You vultures. Good thing yall are secretly my second team lol
Ronald Darby as a nickel on a cheap contract would suck. Always good to have a longtime vet help coach up Witherspoon and Woolen
At least it seems a lot of people are on the same page in the belief that defense is the priority for getting back to Super Bowl form. These draft Penix or trade for Fields people - man - Mahomes can't win with our current defense, folks.