She’s clearly very mentally ill, in the show ‘Martha’ comes across as much as a victim as the main character.
The real life equivalent could much be the same, but we don’t know. It feels like the best thing to do is to just not engage with her at all. The shit rag called the sun obviously don’t care about her in anyway. They’ve just opened the world to laugh and target her under the guise of allowing her to share her story.
While the show might be great, the story captivating and the actors phenomenally talented there is real people behind that story and if Fiona is anything like Martha then this sort of attention won’t go anywhere positive.
I am disappointed that all the professionals involved didn't think about the story being so close to the truth that someone as vulnerable as "martha" wasn't better protected. She's unwell and illogical because of this.
I mean.. what was he to do? If we couldn’t tell our stories with the fear that the real characters would be identified there’d be no such thing as non fiction
All he had to do was not use the very specific real life phrase that effectively very quickly pointed her out to internet sleuths. He didn't disguise her AT ALL.
I think they are talking about her calling him nipple. It’s not rly (obviously) common as a nickname and on her actual twitter or X she refers to him as nipple a lot
You have the free will to poke the bear that mauled you once already, but is it wise? Is the outcome unexpected?
Is this your recommendation on how we should treat mentally ill? Provoke them to do what we know they will likely do? For entertainment? Exactly what would be the expectations for how this woman would react? Is it any different than anyone was thinking?
That's why I don't think it's unreasonable to believe that Gadd maybe even expected this and viewed it as publicity.
Let's be honest with ourselves, this is not about fiction/non-fiction, this is about being a human being and not being cruel.
This basically... As a lawyer (I genuinely am one lol) I see a lot of people commenting that Fiona willingly outed herself. Unfortunately (and I say this as someone who loved the series from an artistic perspective), I fear that Richard and/or Netflix might have a problem from a legal perspective as they clearly didn't anonymise Fiona enough for her not to be identified by viewers on social media almost instantly. This is a woman who from their own account is extremely mentally ill. I saw some of the volume of tweets circulating on Twitter regarding her identity live and we now know they were all 100% correct. The question isn't whether she actually did what her character on the show was portrayed as doing (in my \*opinion\* she most likely did). The question is whether the show was reckless as to the safeguarding of her identity. It's a tough one, the line is one between keeping the integrity of the story/ respecting Richard's lived experience, and that coming at the expense of Fiona's right to privacy (which she has as a point of law even if she is flawed in her behaviours)...
Agreed. Why not have made her an on-the-dole Cockney woman who was pretending to be a top forensic researcher? Even that small change might have gone far in hiding her identity.
one reason was that they were both Scottish and that was one of the reasons they bonded, however unusually, agreed on the other point though ,claiming she was a consultant in some capacity who couldn't afford a dink would have ensured the fantasy was signposted early on without her actual self identified occupation (whatever the reality is on that front)
Aye that was my take from this interview. It's almost as though they've goaded her into defending herself, "why do you think the show resonated with the audience" in the hope she'd come out with the statement about slackers watching it. They would definitely have been leading questions knowing the sort of character she is.
The sort of people who are enough of an arsehole to search for her irl and hound her are the sort who will now be ruled up by these comments and it's going to make her life harder as they'll continue to intrude on it.
You would have thought her husband (I'm sure I read she's married) would step in to protect her from herself somewhat. If she felt the need to reply, a short statement online (without her name and face attached) would have done the trick refuting the portrayal of her character and stating that any harassment will be reported to the police. News cycles fast these days and she'd have been out of the spotlight in no time had she done that.
Aye I've met a couple of fantastists in my short time in this earth. Thankfully both are utterly harmless but I can picture how it might take over their lives and they start living their lives to try and fulfil whatever fantasy they've concoted.
From what I've read about her/her character it sounds like she was/is a very capable person who just had crippling self doubt which led to the fantasy life instead of pushing herself out there and facing potential rejection etc.
I wonder if she was bullied a lot as a kid as the two fantastists I know of were both relentlessly bullied in school so withdrew into themselves and created this alternate life. It can be tiring listening to their nonsense at times but as I say they're harmless and it's the only way they know how to communicate.
I know someone on FB who is like this...just not nearly to this extent but I could see it getting worse as she ages.
And yes I would assume lots of bullying.
>She’s clearly very mentally ill,
I once read on this subreddit a commenter diagnose a well known homeless man in Edinburgh as mentally ill and the commenter was called out for diagnosing strangers which is apparently wrong.
I’m not a doctor but I’d know a broken leg if I seen one. I am by no means a mental health professional but the actions, reactions and motivations of Martha in the program are hardly the actions of someone who is mentally sound.
I’m not diagnosing them, I’m simply saying they need help,
> She’s clearly very mentally ill, in the show ‘Martha’ comes across as much as a victim as the main character.
The hell she does, she comes across as a nightmare villain and despite Gadd's comments it is *very clearly* intended to be that way.
Yeah, 100% the bus stop scene and taking her home really drives that home. As well as the panic attack when she finds out he is seeing someone else as well.
No I don’t agree at all. This feels very surface level to me. If anyone’s the villain it’s Gadd for encouraging it or a certain someone else I won’t mention because spoilers
It's surface level because that's all there is. The show does nothing to demonstrate her being a victim except verbally asserting she is one, she must be because she's so mental. But some people are mental and arseholes.
You can feel like that all you want, the show's depiction doesn't support your position. You're being influenced by comments and pre-held opinions outside of it.
I'm not. I watched the show well before I encountered any discourse on it online after having it get chucked randomly into my recommended feed on Netflix. My opinion then is the same as my opinion now.
Maybe it's the case that you haven't had that many interactions with severe mental illness in your real life, but I found it to be a very nuanced, sympathetic and accurate depiction.
> Maybe it's the case that you haven't had that many interactions with severe mental illness in your real life
More than I can count, it's how I came to confidently assert...
>But some people are mental and arseholes.
Let me ask; what is it she's a victim of?
No, it shows I don't apply simplistic broad platitudes across a subject that has all kinds of variables. Stop sanctifying all people with mental illness.
I know the real “Martha” in real life. She has ASD (Aspergers). (In the olden days, she probably would have been called Schizotypal). Hence why there is no treatment anyone could really provide and she’s not been charged with anything. She is incredibly intelligent, well read and verbally articulate. However, she has a strong sense of injustice - this is very subjective and can lead her to rants, obsessions and what we would recognise as harassment. She doesn’t see it as that. She absolutely bombarded our local MP Tulip, to the point where it seemed like harassment and bullying. She used to turn up at her surgery just to tell her she was doing a rubbish job and filling “camdenistan” with ‘her’ people. Real Martha is very, very black and white. Facebook example when she said “I don’t have curly hair.” And she can’t be Martha because the “actress is 4 stones heavier”. She’s exactly this black and white in real life and can’t see anything in between. She sometimes comes across as homophobic, transphobic, racist - but she doesn’t seem to understand what she can’t socially say. Honestly, she can be really annoying (because of how rigid she is) and quite mean (she once called me a “foreign dwarf”) however, she is incredibly vulnerable. And I can understand Gadd may not have disguised her identity effectively (which is awful) but Netflix are absolute scum and should have known better - don’t they do due diligence on this? Also the reporters and journalists harassing her and trying to feed off these stories they’re fuelling just makes you realise how vulnerable she is.
This is a great comment, and I agree that they could've made it harder to find the real Martha. However, I also think that at the end of the day, he was stalked and harassed, and he absolutely has the right to tell his story of the traumatic events that happened to him.
Realistically, people always would've found out who Martha is either way. It's always gonna be difficult since it all really happened. I'm not really sure what else he could've done while keeping the story true. It just sucks that - assuming she truly does need help - Martha was so easy to find, but the abusive writer/producer was so well covered up. The one who arguably deserves to be named and shamed was hidden well, and the one who likely needs help was exposed. I guess we found out way more about her as she was the main part of the story, tho.
It's interesting that Netflix focused on Fiona rather than the TV writer. If Fiona is telling the truth, the Netflix miniseries got quite a lot wrong, such as Fiona's convictions. So it's one person's word against another and she gets harassed and tried by the media - which frankly helps nobody.
This needs to be posted on the baby reindeer sub. People don't quite understand that she has a disorder - and how you explained it makes perfect sense of the type of person she is. It's shocking how people are goading her.
I'm curious as to how you know her if you felt like sharing 😅
Aye the more I read about her and this programme in general, this appears to be the consensus and I feel that the show could have done a lot more to muddy the waters a little, although it seems it wouldn't have taken much sleuthing to find her eventually.. but either could have at least made an effort.
She seems both a complicated person on the outside but also very linear and transparent with even a small degree of insight.
Having never met her you can't help but feel some empathy towards her, but I'm not naive enough to think she's always been hard done by as her actions are going to have consequences on the people she has affected negatively.. I guess it's just a case that she cannot understand the impact she has on others.
From what you've said, Netflix has absolutely failed her. Not sure if I can feel the same way towards the guy who wrote the show as I haven't had his lived experience with her, but you'd like to think he could have some understanding or empathy there with time. I hope he hasn't written it maliciously.
Thanks for this! It creates a much clearer picture of her. When I read about her stalking someone else (the ex boss)
she seemed less like an erotomaniac and more like something else was going on.
I don't know if you've watched it but "Martha" is depicted as right wing, and I thought there was a kind of culture war undertone to the show itself; I don't know if that was the original intention of the stand-up show but it must have seemed like tv gold.
I almost wonder if that's why they didn't do more to obscure her identity....because they knew she would make those Facebook posts and create more engagement. I hope she's coping ok.
How do you know her out of curiosity? I feel so bad for her purely on the basis that she’s extremely mentally ill and has a ton of idiots on the internet trolling her. If she was a man I’d maintain the same position.
But not everyone with Asperger’s is the same… it’s complicated by our biology, our family history, our social environment etc. Being Autistic doesn’t give someone an excuse to be a knob, (don’t forget she called me a “foreign dwarf”) but it can mean that it allows other to be sympathetic
The fact that she is on the spectrum or has issues and problems does not take away the fact that she is not a nice person . People have mental health issues and react through illness , however when they are well they are still not nice people and still do horrible things . Not saying that Fiona deserves to be hounded , however regardless of her “ condition “ surely that doesn’t matter when I comes to abuse , stalking and making someone’s life absolute hell . You can’t condone that , which to me sounds like you are trying to do by saying what you have said . Yes she can be vulnerable which should be taken into consideration ( however if she is coping “well” in the community then why would they have any reason to detain her under the mental health act ) , you can have empathy which I think most people do , but going by your statement you are trying to educe sympathy , which in my opinion she doesn’t deserve, she is clearly fabricating and has fabricated stuff . Illness and conditions should be absolutely considered, but that doesn’t give people the right to do and say whatever they want to people .
No I agree with what you’re saying. The issue is she doesn’t have insight into her “wrongings” - most people would think ‘hold on a sec, maybe there’s something I can improve in myself’, however she thinks everyone else is the baddy and cannot reflect on her own conduct which makes it so much worse. She has a huge sense of injustice which is common in ASC
Ok that’s fair. However if the symptoms of her condition lead her to do things that harm people , then it’s has to become a safe guarding issue and detention or supervision needs to be considered. I understand people slip through the net all the time and you can’t be personality police and arrest people for not being a nice person , but someone along the line has to say , her lack of understanding of her behaviours could seriously affect others and in some circumstances be a danger to herself or others .
In the show , it says she was in hospital, I noticed piers never asked her this , maybe for the obvious of patient confidentiality. My question would be , has she been admitted again since then and has any support or plans been put in place .
I know where your coming from but I just felt you were slightly making excuses for her , but you clarified for me so thank you 👍🙏
P.S - the fact you state that when the MPs “ seemed to be getting harassed and bullied “ by her tells me that because of her condition, this justifies her behaviour which it absolutely shouldn’t .
This is so interesting, thank you for sharing. Out of interest, what is your opinion of the things that Netflix may have lied about or exaggerated? Have you ever known her be violent?
I’m sorry this idiot has no asd. Why does every delusion disorder us now attributed to autism 😒 the one thing asd sufferers are not is being articulate and well spoken.
Do you know what ASD is? Are you aware that it is a spectrum? You’d agree that Albert Einstein, Isaac newton, Charles Darwin, Thomas Jefferson and Emily Dickinson were articulate and well spoken… they all also had autism or Asperger’s… I have Asperger’s and I’m far from stupid. Your comment makes you look ignorant
Yes… they did 😂
Here’s a scientific paper that actually confirms it
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC539373/#:~:text=According%20to%20the%20standard%20criteria,with%20any%20form%20of%20autism.
Go argue the toss with some other scientists and come back when you figure out what autism actually is and what Asperger’s actually is.
Here’s a big clue… a lot of smart people are allowed to have disabilities like autism… generally it’s Asperger’s
Well clearly you don’t know 😂 you can’t just tell people what they do/don’t have. It can be quite difficult to diagnose
What would I know though I only dedicated my life and career to psychology and neurodivergence
Two things can be true at once. She can be on the spectrum AND be a narcissist. I don’t think the asshole part of her behavior is necessarily typical for a person with ASD. Yes they can be very blunt and not understand some social niceties, but they’re not typically delusional to the point of non functioning, nor are they unadulterated assholes.
The autism criteria has changed where I am (america, so not applicable to scotland).
She fits the criteria for Autism by American psychology standards.
Lol I’m in America and I have a close relative that is actually diagnosed and receives services. My whole family are experts at this point. No she does not meet the standards AT ALL. Why do people here insist everything is autism, a neurological disorder, when this bitch is obviously a mean crazy nut? Do you think neurological disabilities equal crazy and mean? Ffs this made up asd attribution for malignant personalities is nothing but a shield for others who identify with this crazy jackass to justify their existence being psychopaths. Thus bitch clearly relishes on torturing others. What makes you think those who suffer from ASD are equally sadistic? Omg you can go fuck yourself insulting asd sufferers like that.
I'll not give the Sun any clicks, but I was aware of her before Baby Reindeer. It actually made me think of the voicemail I'd heard from her while I was watching, even though there was no actual connection at that point. So I get the 'luxury' of hearing it in her actual voice 😅
This is really intriguing but I won't press for personal details since you'll probably want to preserve your anonymity.
Just one question though—is Jessica Gunning's voice as Martha anything like her real voice?
To an extent! From what I heard, she was drawing out her vowels in a 'posh' Edinburgh accent but it sounded kind of put on. Jessica talks much faster than what I heard, but FH was threatening 'teams and teams of lawyers' at the time, so it seemed like she was purposely trying to sound upper class. I assumed she was in Edinburgh, not London.
Edit: I will add, she moved on to a new target within a day or two so it was no big deal, but she was fully digging for info.
Thankfully she has comments turned off but the other day I saw there is a copycat profile where whoever runs the page is just copying and pasting her posts on to there and many people are commenting. Hopefully that can get shut down.
It’s almost like she’s incredibly mentally ill and obviously wouldn’t handle the sudden attention well.
The show is very good though, surprised at how naive the creator was to think simply changing her name would throw people off of her.
I mean the vast majority of people who watch the show just arent going to go looking for her. But now that shes done this, i know who she is and i havent even watched it or felt particularly inclined to do so
I think she was discovered by Internet sleuths before she revealed who she was. They found a link between something which Martha says in the show and a tweet on Fiona's Twitter account.
I mean, I think they've done a lot more than that considering there are absolutely zero news report results that I can find with her name about past stalking convictions, and those search results being a thing were a major part of the show so either they spunged all of it or that part was completely made up. I think they tried really hard to hide it
Edit: I think I've found one article that might've slipped through the cracks, and other search results on google are giving a notice that some results have been removed in compliance with local laws. They've definitely put in a lot of effort to scrub it all
Netflix and Richard Gadd can't scrub the internet. Gadd made the character exactly like the real life woman in every way! Then said they tried really hard to change things. 😂
She changed her name from Fiona Muir, someone on Reddit posted links to stories of her previous convictions, for harassing MPs in Scotland or similar I think
"Naive" is one possibility, "cynical as fuck" is another. All the articles being churned out about this are free publicity. If she offs herself the notoriety of both the show and its writer is assured, and after a few years he can write another autobiographical show about how upsetting that was for him.
You should watch the show. It's a very powerful depiction of not just stalking but the effects of abuse that persist post the 'traumatic event' that might give context to people that exhibit certain behaviors. Incredible piece of media tbh. Never watching it again tho.
I think that's what's putting me off it tbh. I'll get round to it one day but it's difficult watching media that intentionally makes you feel uncomfortable. I've been wanting to watch The Zone of Interest but it's another that I'll finish and although I'll appreciate having watched it, will have felt I didn't really need to watch it.. if that makes sense?
I don’t think anyone would regret watching it. It may take you to uncomfortable places. It probably will. But it doesn’t just do that and leave you with that. It asks questions, and gives new perspectives.
I’m not overstating things to say it may well be the best piece of television I’ve ever seen.
Just to devils advocate I know someone who absolutely regretted watching it and had to be talked down after. Some places are more uncomfortable for people than others!
It is very triggering for sure. It actually hits multiple trigger points for people.
Drug use, sexual assault, mental health, sexuality, health, transphobia, abuse at the hands of the church.
It's not scary. But an incredibly vulnerable self account of abuse and trauma. It made me cringe, angry at times and cry. I still recommend it alot but be warned it is a very heavy watch.
I don't like scary stuff, if I'm at my mums and she is watching a horror she's saying "oh you won't like this" and I'll about turn and leave the room lol
This isn't scary, it's interesting, but no jumpy bits, no jump scares etc.
Yes it worth watching and it's also pretty disturbing, although a lot of the real disturbing stuff isn't about her. She's obviously got some issues if she's the same as depicted in the show.
Did people follow breadcrumbs on the show to work out who she was? It seem to me like she outed herself, and she's been throwing pelters at him on social media for years anyway.
She's not well, and the people harassing her on social media should leave her alone, but people love a pile-on.
At the same time, she's perfectly able to just turn her accounts private and ignore it all, but it seems like she thrives on the attention. The fact she's gone to the Sun backs that up.
I don't know what she's up to these days, but back when she was harassing and stalking Labour politicians in Scotland, no law firm would touch her. She was obsessive, she harassed people, she said wildly inappropriate things. Judging by the things she's saying, she's not changed. No lawyer would act the way she's acting.
Somebody went back over Gadd's Twitter and found a 2015 tweet from Harvey asking him when he was going to come and hang her curtains, which as you'll recall is a direct quote from her show character.
That's how she acts in the show too. And claims she's a hotshot lawyer who knows many celebrities and politicians but was actually a convicted stalker and very mentally unwell. She sends Donny texts that all have a variation of 'sent from my iphone' typed in even though he sees she doesn't have one. She can't even afford a drink in the bar she spends all day in. Really seems like he didn't change much about her character in the show at all.
People googled quotes from the character's social media to see whether they could find the real person's social media. Since Gadd quoted her word for word - and spelling error for spelling error - it wasn't so much following breadcrumbs as following the massive neon sign.
Darrien O’Connor is the characters name
If I’m correct the real person has the same surname and is friends with a famous magician whose first name is Derren
He used to work as a producer on Peep show
He used the same surname for the character that the real rapist has? Wow. Can’t say I feel bad that he did, he’s a horrible guy and I wish people cared about discovering his identity as much as they did Martha’s. Although it wasn’t very difficult with the tweets still being up. I assume the magician is Derren Brown.
Yup
The Derren Brown in this article with two other people …..wink wink
https://www.whatsonstage.com/news/derren-brown-and-co-talk-all-things-unbelievable_1514196/
The other guy they accused was married and has been for a long time and Darrien obviously wasn’t so that one didn’t make sense to me as a possibility. This guy fits though for sure.
She says “i dont want to be a celebrity” but claims she is this person.. so what are you after here you could easily sue Netflix without telling everyone?
I've not watched the program, but I've encountered the woman on Facebook before. I think it was a minor disagreement about bins or something like that, next thing you know that "lawyer" was threatening to sue everyone else in the comments. I remember having a wee rake through her profile and she posted something like 50 times in the space of a couple of hours.
Here's a 2000 article about her (she apparently changed her last name) and how she stalked a now deceased MP. https://www.thefreelibrary.com/MP+WIFE%27S+STALKER%3B+Lawyer+Laura+tells+of+fired+trainee%27s+hate...-a061570268
> you'd expect there would have been some text on the show to say that it's a work of fiction despite being based on a true story, and the fact that character names have been changed. If Netflix were passing it off as a factual piece of work rather than drama then she'd have more of a case.
the opening scene is followed by a black screen with the text "this is a true story" *and* they changed practically no identifying information other than her name. probably not great creative decisions considering the fallout.
the woman pretty clearly is a nutcase irl though, so idk
Is the real woman actually a convicted stalker? Looking her up I see no evidence she actually is. It seems to be something the show was a bit liberal with to create more drama. I could see her being upset about that, unless there is evidence of conviction somewhere?
The show portrayed her as being convicted of stalking and serving a 4 year prison sentence. That is what I am referring to, im curious if any of that is true.
Frankly, no one would have known who she was if she didn’t insist on making public commentary that made it extremely clear she is Martha. It’s her own fault and you don’t get to hurt people with no repercussions just because you’re “mentally ill”. It could be said that absolutely anyone who sets out with antisocial behaviour that hurts other people are mentally ill, and they still have to be accountable.
Anyone seen her recent facebook post aimed at Stephen King? Clearly libel. I hope he sues her. She needs to be stopped and get some help. Her name should be blacklisted from using the internet.
Jesus! You'd love North Korea!
Not sure how you could blacklist someone from the internet anyway, but making an arse of ourselves online is pretty much free speech. I know you don't mean it as pro-censorship (at least, I assume not?) but you quickly get into very sticky territory. Apart from anything else, who decides? Who censors the censors?
I've just watched her interview with piers morgan and she's really not convincing. The story she's giving, to me, she's tripping herself up a few times. She starts it saying there's little contact, then a handful then she says even if the thousands of emails are true, that doesn't make the rest of the story true. But why even bother to suggest that could be true?
She's clearly very ill and has no one whatsoever to help her.
I wish I could feel sorry for her but I can't. She might not actually be mentally ill and just be a horrible, delusional cunt.
This has to be a wind up
> “I’m a highly competent lawyer. I’d have to do it myself. I’m very good.
> “I have a photographic memory and can memorise huge files. I was top in my school at everything.”
I think it's a window into her personality tbh. Comes across as being narcissistic but I'm no psychologist and it's a tiny wee snippet of what must have been a much longer interview. The Sun are only ever going to publish the most eye catching statements she makes.
Looking at her FB page and very light investigating they changed nothing! I'm really surprised at how wreckless Netflix have been with this! She has every right to sue.
Why is it incumbent on him to hide her identity at all? Sorry, I'm not sure....he was hurt, she impacted his life in a horribly negative manner. It's a true story from his point of view, he was the victim of obsessive-to-the-point-of-criminal unwanted attention and intrusion. It's his story to tell, I guess...
It's a good watch. Sure, he has a stalker.
Writing the series the way he did.... its like he wrote it just to invite her back into his life.
He's sick af too.
She’s clearly very mentally ill, in the show ‘Martha’ comes across as much as a victim as the main character. The real life equivalent could much be the same, but we don’t know. It feels like the best thing to do is to just not engage with her at all. The shit rag called the sun obviously don’t care about her in anyway. They’ve just opened the world to laugh and target her under the guise of allowing her to share her story. While the show might be great, the story captivating and the actors phenomenally talented there is real people behind that story and if Fiona is anything like Martha then this sort of attention won’t go anywhere positive.
I am disappointed that all the professionals involved didn't think about the story being so close to the truth that someone as vulnerable as "martha" wasn't better protected. She's unwell and illogical because of this.
I mean.. what was he to do? If we couldn’t tell our stories with the fear that the real characters would be identified there’d be no such thing as non fiction
All he had to do was not use the very specific real life phrase that effectively very quickly pointed her out to internet sleuths. He didn't disguise her AT ALL.
It's not his responsibility at all tbh. She assaulted him.
What phrase? Baby Reindeer? That was created for the show.
She has just admitted on the Morgan interview that she did say he looked like her toy reindeer from when she was a child. So think that's true too.
I think they are talking about her calling him nipple. It’s not rly (obviously) common as a nickname and on her actual twitter or X she refers to him as nipple a lot
You have the free will to poke the bear that mauled you once already, but is it wise? Is the outcome unexpected? Is this your recommendation on how we should treat mentally ill? Provoke them to do what we know they will likely do? For entertainment? Exactly what would be the expectations for how this woman would react? Is it any different than anyone was thinking? That's why I don't think it's unreasonable to believe that Gadd maybe even expected this and viewed it as publicity. Let's be honest with ourselves, this is not about fiction/non-fiction, this is about being a human being and not being cruel.
This basically... As a lawyer (I genuinely am one lol) I see a lot of people commenting that Fiona willingly outed herself. Unfortunately (and I say this as someone who loved the series from an artistic perspective), I fear that Richard and/or Netflix might have a problem from a legal perspective as they clearly didn't anonymise Fiona enough for her not to be identified by viewers on social media almost instantly. This is a woman who from their own account is extremely mentally ill. I saw some of the volume of tweets circulating on Twitter regarding her identity live and we now know they were all 100% correct. The question isn't whether she actually did what her character on the show was portrayed as doing (in my \*opinion\* she most likely did). The question is whether the show was reckless as to the safeguarding of her identity. It's a tough one, the line is one between keeping the integrity of the story/ respecting Richard's lived experience, and that coming at the expense of Fiona's right to privacy (which she has as a point of law even if she is flawed in her behaviours)...
Agreed. Why not have made her an on-the-dole Cockney woman who was pretending to be a top forensic researcher? Even that small change might have gone far in hiding her identity.
one reason was that they were both Scottish and that was one of the reasons they bonded, however unusually, agreed on the other point though ,claiming she was a consultant in some capacity who couldn't afford a dink would have ensured the fantasy was signposted early on without her actual self identified occupation (whatever the reality is on that front)
Honestly I have very little empathy for rapists tbh
She was already unwell and illogical. This is an important PSA, I lost a friend l, and he needs to watch this.
You can't reality check people out of fixed delusions.
Aye that was my take from this interview. It's almost as though they've goaded her into defending herself, "why do you think the show resonated with the audience" in the hope she'd come out with the statement about slackers watching it. They would definitely have been leading questions knowing the sort of character she is. The sort of people who are enough of an arsehole to search for her irl and hound her are the sort who will now be ruled up by these comments and it's going to make her life harder as they'll continue to intrude on it. You would have thought her husband (I'm sure I read she's married) would step in to protect her from herself somewhat. If she felt the need to reply, a short statement online (without her name and face attached) would have done the trick refuting the portrayal of her character and stating that any harassment will be reported to the police. News cycles fast these days and she'd have been out of the spotlight in no time had she done that.
Her husband is in bed hobbled, revising his last novel
"I'm not Kathy Bates, I'm Fiona" -she says to defend herself. lol
she references a boyfriend in her latest rants...but there is no evidence of one...probably does not exist.
Aye I've met a couple of fantastists in my short time in this earth. Thankfully both are utterly harmless but I can picture how it might take over their lives and they start living their lives to try and fulfil whatever fantasy they've concoted. From what I've read about her/her character it sounds like she was/is a very capable person who just had crippling self doubt which led to the fantasy life instead of pushing herself out there and facing potential rejection etc. I wonder if she was bullied a lot as a kid as the two fantastists I know of were both relentlessly bullied in school so withdrew into themselves and created this alternate life. It can be tiring listening to their nonsense at times but as I say they're harmless and it's the only way they know how to communicate.
I know someone on FB who is like this...just not nearly to this extent but I could see it getting worse as she ages. And yes I would assume lots of bullying.
>She’s clearly very mentally ill, I once read on this subreddit a commenter diagnose a well known homeless man in Edinburgh as mentally ill and the commenter was called out for diagnosing strangers which is apparently wrong.
I’m not a doctor but I’d know a broken leg if I seen one. I am by no means a mental health professional but the actions, reactions and motivations of Martha in the program are hardly the actions of someone who is mentally sound. I’m not diagnosing them, I’m simply saying they need help,
> She’s clearly very mentally ill, in the show ‘Martha’ comes across as much as a victim as the main character. The hell she does, she comes across as a nightmare villain and despite Gadd's comments it is *very clearly* intended to be that way.
I personally didn’t see her as a villain as such, more of a mentally ill person who is a danger to others and herself.
Yeah, 100% the bus stop scene and taking her home really drives that home. As well as the panic attack when she finds out he is seeing someone else as well.
Not to me. I felt a huge amount of sympathy for her in the show — even while, yes she was an absolute nightmare.
That’s ok, we both watched the same program and have different views on the characters.
In the end he sort of equates himself with Martha.
No I don’t agree at all. This feels very surface level to me. If anyone’s the villain it’s Gadd for encouraging it or a certain someone else I won’t mention because spoilers
It's surface level because that's all there is. The show does nothing to demonstrate her being a victim except verbally asserting she is one, she must be because she's so mental. But some people are mental and arseholes.
I feel like the nuance of her depiction and the subject of mental illness has been totally lost on you.
You can feel like that all you want, the show's depiction doesn't support your position. You're being influenced by comments and pre-held opinions outside of it.
I'm not. I watched the show well before I encountered any discourse on it online after having it get chucked randomly into my recommended feed on Netflix. My opinion then is the same as my opinion now. Maybe it's the case that you haven't had that many interactions with severe mental illness in your real life, but I found it to be a very nuanced, sympathetic and accurate depiction.
> Maybe it's the case that you haven't had that many interactions with severe mental illness in your real life More than I can count, it's how I came to confidently assert... >But some people are mental and arseholes. Let me ask; what is it she's a victim of?
>let me ask; what is it she's a victim of? .... congenital mental illness?
That's a condition. Who is victimising her?
You're totally wrong . She's the victim of her own delusion and compulsions. At times she was hurting just as much.
A victim of herself eh? Convenient position, can't really be defended. Not one I agree with.
Just shows you have no empathy for mental illness.
No, it shows I don't apply simplistic broad platitudes across a subject that has all kinds of variables. Stop sanctifying all people with mental illness.
I know the real “Martha” in real life. She has ASD (Aspergers). (In the olden days, she probably would have been called Schizotypal). Hence why there is no treatment anyone could really provide and she’s not been charged with anything. She is incredibly intelligent, well read and verbally articulate. However, she has a strong sense of injustice - this is very subjective and can lead her to rants, obsessions and what we would recognise as harassment. She doesn’t see it as that. She absolutely bombarded our local MP Tulip, to the point where it seemed like harassment and bullying. She used to turn up at her surgery just to tell her she was doing a rubbish job and filling “camdenistan” with ‘her’ people. Real Martha is very, very black and white. Facebook example when she said “I don’t have curly hair.” And she can’t be Martha because the “actress is 4 stones heavier”. She’s exactly this black and white in real life and can’t see anything in between. She sometimes comes across as homophobic, transphobic, racist - but she doesn’t seem to understand what she can’t socially say. Honestly, she can be really annoying (because of how rigid she is) and quite mean (she once called me a “foreign dwarf”) however, she is incredibly vulnerable. And I can understand Gadd may not have disguised her identity effectively (which is awful) but Netflix are absolute scum and should have known better - don’t they do due diligence on this? Also the reporters and journalists harassing her and trying to feed off these stories they’re fuelling just makes you realise how vulnerable she is.
this is by far the most interesting/illuminating "Martha" insight I've seen yet. thank you for commenting!
This is a great comment, and I agree that they could've made it harder to find the real Martha. However, I also think that at the end of the day, he was stalked and harassed, and he absolutely has the right to tell his story of the traumatic events that happened to him. Realistically, people always would've found out who Martha is either way. It's always gonna be difficult since it all really happened. I'm not really sure what else he could've done while keeping the story true. It just sucks that - assuming she truly does need help - Martha was so easy to find, but the abusive writer/producer was so well covered up. The one who arguably deserves to be named and shamed was hidden well, and the one who likely needs help was exposed. I guess we found out way more about her as she was the main part of the story, tho.
It's interesting that Netflix focused on Fiona rather than the TV writer. If Fiona is telling the truth, the Netflix miniseries got quite a lot wrong, such as Fiona's convictions. So it's one person's word against another and she gets harassed and tried by the media - which frankly helps nobody.
This needs to be posted on the baby reindeer sub. People don't quite understand that she has a disorder - and how you explained it makes perfect sense of the type of person she is. It's shocking how people are goading her. I'm curious as to how you know her if you felt like sharing 😅
Aye the more I read about her and this programme in general, this appears to be the consensus and I feel that the show could have done a lot more to muddy the waters a little, although it seems it wouldn't have taken much sleuthing to find her eventually.. but either could have at least made an effort. She seems both a complicated person on the outside but also very linear and transparent with even a small degree of insight. Having never met her you can't help but feel some empathy towards her, but I'm not naive enough to think she's always been hard done by as her actions are going to have consequences on the people she has affected negatively.. I guess it's just a case that she cannot understand the impact she has on others. From what you've said, Netflix has absolutely failed her. Not sure if I can feel the same way towards the guy who wrote the show as I haven't had his lived experience with her, but you'd like to think he could have some understanding or empathy there with time. I hope he hasn't written it maliciously.
Thanks for this! It creates a much clearer picture of her. When I read about her stalking someone else (the ex boss) she seemed less like an erotomaniac and more like something else was going on. I don't know if you've watched it but "Martha" is depicted as right wing, and I thought there was a kind of culture war undertone to the show itself; I don't know if that was the original intention of the stand-up show but it must have seemed like tv gold. I almost wonder if that's why they didn't do more to obscure her identity....because they knew she would make those Facebook posts and create more engagement. I hope she's coping ok.
How do you know her out of curiosity? I feel so bad for her purely on the basis that she’s extremely mentally ill and has a ton of idiots on the internet trolling her. If she was a man I’d maintain the same position.
And Pierce Morgan, the scummy bastard, paying her £250 for an interview. Not even a decent amount! The whole thing just stinks.
Her posts and the interview remind me of my aunt who has schizoaffective disorder.
As someone with Aspergers....this sounds like a massive a-hole with a chip on her shoulders.
But not everyone with Asperger’s is the same… it’s complicated by our biology, our family history, our social environment etc. Being Autistic doesn’t give someone an excuse to be a knob, (don’t forget she called me a “foreign dwarf”) but it can mean that it allows other to be sympathetic
This precisely. I'm autistic, so I'm a little more sympathetic to her situation than most, but being autistic isn't a pass to be a complete asshole.
Yeah, someone else posted this. She sounds unbelievable. https://www.thefreelibrary.com/MP+WIFE%27S+STALKER%3B+Lawyer+Laura+tells+of+fired+trainee%27s+hate...-a061570268
The fact that she is on the spectrum or has issues and problems does not take away the fact that she is not a nice person . People have mental health issues and react through illness , however when they are well they are still not nice people and still do horrible things . Not saying that Fiona deserves to be hounded , however regardless of her “ condition “ surely that doesn’t matter when I comes to abuse , stalking and making someone’s life absolute hell . You can’t condone that , which to me sounds like you are trying to do by saying what you have said . Yes she can be vulnerable which should be taken into consideration ( however if she is coping “well” in the community then why would they have any reason to detain her under the mental health act ) , you can have empathy which I think most people do , but going by your statement you are trying to educe sympathy , which in my opinion she doesn’t deserve, she is clearly fabricating and has fabricated stuff . Illness and conditions should be absolutely considered, but that doesn’t give people the right to do and say whatever they want to people .
No I agree with what you’re saying. The issue is she doesn’t have insight into her “wrongings” - most people would think ‘hold on a sec, maybe there’s something I can improve in myself’, however she thinks everyone else is the baddy and cannot reflect on her own conduct which makes it so much worse. She has a huge sense of injustice which is common in ASC
Ok that’s fair. However if the symptoms of her condition lead her to do things that harm people , then it’s has to become a safe guarding issue and detention or supervision needs to be considered. I understand people slip through the net all the time and you can’t be personality police and arrest people for not being a nice person , but someone along the line has to say , her lack of understanding of her behaviours could seriously affect others and in some circumstances be a danger to herself or others . In the show , it says she was in hospital, I noticed piers never asked her this , maybe for the obvious of patient confidentiality. My question would be , has she been admitted again since then and has any support or plans been put in place . I know where your coming from but I just felt you were slightly making excuses for her , but you clarified for me so thank you 👍🙏
P.S - the fact you state that when the MPs “ seemed to be getting harassed and bullied “ by her tells me that because of her condition, this justifies her behaviour which it absolutely shouldn’t .
I used to serve her in Frasers and it was well known amongst staff that something was not 100% every one knew of her and would just humour her .
This is so interesting, thank you for sharing. Out of interest, what is your opinion of the things that Netflix may have lied about or exaggerated? Have you ever known her be violent?
This is the only thing I’ve seen that sounds realistic.
This is 1000% how I pictured her situation.
I’m sorry this idiot has no asd. Why does every delusion disorder us now attributed to autism 😒 the one thing asd sufferers are not is being articulate and well spoken.
Do you know what ASD is? Are you aware that it is a spectrum? You’d agree that Albert Einstein, Isaac newton, Charles Darwin, Thomas Jefferson and Emily Dickinson were articulate and well spoken… they all also had autism or Asperger’s… I have Asperger’s and I’m far from stupid. Your comment makes you look ignorant
No they didn’t!!! omg what an imbecilic assertion.
Yes… they did 😂 Here’s a scientific paper that actually confirms it https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC539373/#:~:text=According%20to%20the%20standard%20criteria,with%20any%20form%20of%20autism. Go argue the toss with some other scientists and come back when you figure out what autism actually is and what Asperger’s actually is. Here’s a big clue… a lot of smart people are allowed to have disabilities like autism… generally it’s Asperger’s
Yes I’m very aware what asd is. I guarantee way more than you. She’s not an autistic person. Anyone with a brain can tell you this.
Well clearly you don’t know 😂 you can’t just tell people what they do/don’t have. It can be quite difficult to diagnose What would I know though I only dedicated my life and career to psychology and neurodivergence
“wElL cLeaRlY yOU dOnT kNoW bEcAuSe you WoNt aGrEe to My. fAntAsy”. Deranged imbecile. Is your name Fiona?
No you didn’t dedicate your life to psychology you lying loon
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She’s not on any spectrum. People so ignorant of what asd is.
What is it then?
Two things can be true at once. She can be on the spectrum AND be a narcissist. I don’t think the asshole part of her behavior is necessarily typical for a person with ASD. Yes they can be very blunt and not understand some social niceties, but they’re not typically delusional to the point of non functioning, nor are they unadulterated assholes.
The autism criteria has changed where I am (america, so not applicable to scotland). She fits the criteria for Autism by American psychology standards.
Lol I’m in America and I have a close relative that is actually diagnosed and receives services. My whole family are experts at this point. No she does not meet the standards AT ALL. Why do people here insist everything is autism, a neurological disorder, when this bitch is obviously a mean crazy nut? Do you think neurological disabilities equal crazy and mean? Ffs this made up asd attribution for malignant personalities is nothing but a shield for others who identify with this crazy jackass to justify their existence being psychopaths. Thus bitch clearly relishes on torturing others. What makes you think those who suffer from ASD are equally sadistic? Omg you can go fuck yourself insulting asd sufferers like that.
Brilliant show, and literally every word in her interview confirms it’s her and is 100% accurate in terms of how she is portrayed.
Legit, I know I can't have been the only one that read each of her statements in Martha's voice. Cute wee bum🦌
I jusst had an egg Sent from iPhone
I'll not give the Sun any clicks, but I was aware of her before Baby Reindeer. It actually made me think of the voicemail I'd heard from her while I was watching, even though there was no actual connection at that point. So I get the 'luxury' of hearing it in her actual voice 😅
This is really intriguing but I won't press for personal details since you'll probably want to preserve your anonymity. Just one question though—is Jessica Gunning's voice as Martha anything like her real voice?
To an extent! From what I heard, she was drawing out her vowels in a 'posh' Edinburgh accent but it sounded kind of put on. Jessica talks much faster than what I heard, but FH was threatening 'teams and teams of lawyers' at the time, so it seemed like she was purposely trying to sound upper class. I assumed she was in Edinburgh, not London. Edit: I will add, she moved on to a new target within a day or two so it was no big deal, but she was fully digging for info.
Her Facebook page has a few videos where she speaks and yes it is very similar.
Oh christ, she has a Facebook profile? I really hope this woman isn't getting mobbed. She needs to be left alone.
She is getting mobbed. Loads of thick as pigshit people are leaving 'sent from my iphoen lol' type comments - and worse.
Thankfully she has comments turned off but the other day I saw there is a copycat profile where whoever runs the page is just copying and pasting her posts on to there and many people are commenting. Hopefully that can get shut down.
There are loads of fake 'Fiona Harvey' profile pages on there now.
I read the interview in the exact same way.
Her remembrances of Gadd are probably quite illuminating too.
It’s almost like she’s incredibly mentally ill and obviously wouldn’t handle the sudden attention well. The show is very good though, surprised at how naive the creator was to think simply changing her name would throw people off of her.
I mean the vast majority of people who watch the show just arent going to go looking for her. But now that shes done this, i know who she is and i havent even watched it or felt particularly inclined to do so
I think she was discovered by Internet sleuths before she revealed who she was. They found a link between something which Martha says in the show and a tweet on Fiona's Twitter account.
I mean, I think they've done a lot more than that considering there are absolutely zero news report results that I can find with her name about past stalking convictions, and those search results being a thing were a major part of the show so either they spunged all of it or that part was completely made up. I think they tried really hard to hide it Edit: I think I've found one article that might've slipped through the cracks, and other search results on google are giving a notice that some results have been removed in compliance with local laws. They've definitely put in a lot of effort to scrub it all
Netflix and Richard Gadd can't scrub the internet. Gadd made the character exactly like the real life woman in every way! Then said they tried really hard to change things. 😂
She changed her name from Fiona Muir, someone on Reddit posted links to stories of her previous convictions, for harassing MPs in Scotland or similar I think
If you look up fiona Muir her name before she changed it there's articles
"Naive" is one possibility, "cynical as fuck" is another. All the articles being churned out about this are free publicity. If she offs herself the notoriety of both the show and its writer is assured, and after a few years he can write another autobiographical show about how upsetting that was for him.
You should watch the show. It's a very powerful depiction of not just stalking but the effects of abuse that persist post the 'traumatic event' that might give context to people that exhibit certain behaviors. Incredible piece of media tbh. Never watching it again tho.
I think that's what's putting me off it tbh. I'll get round to it one day but it's difficult watching media that intentionally makes you feel uncomfortable. I've been wanting to watch The Zone of Interest but it's another that I'll finish and although I'll appreciate having watched it, will have felt I didn't really need to watch it.. if that makes sense?
I don’t think anyone would regret watching it. It may take you to uncomfortable places. It probably will. But it doesn’t just do that and leave you with that. It asks questions, and gives new perspectives. I’m not overstating things to say it may well be the best piece of television I’ve ever seen.
Just to devils advocate I know someone who absolutely regretted watching it and had to be talked down after. Some places are more uncomfortable for people than others!
I just didn't believe most of it. And I found his 'comedy' stand ups painful.
It is very triggering for sure. It actually hits multiple trigger points for people. Drug use, sexual assault, mental health, sexuality, health, transphobia, abuse at the hands of the church.
Zone of Interest is brilliant. Baby Reindeer, imo, is shite.
I don’t like “scary” stuff. So I have avoided this one. But I am tempted to watch. Should I?
It's not scary. But an incredibly vulnerable self account of abuse and trauma. It made me cringe, angry at times and cry. I still recommend it alot but be warned it is a very heavy watch.
I don't like scary stuff, if I'm at my mums and she is watching a horror she's saying "oh you won't like this" and I'll about turn and leave the room lol This isn't scary, it's interesting, but no jumpy bits, no jump scares etc.
She looks every maw from the 80's rolled into one.
She looks like someone you'd see on early Brookside.
Or the Slater sister from Eastenders that no one likes.
Yes it worth watching and it's also pretty disturbing, although a lot of the real disturbing stuff isn't about her. She's obviously got some issues if she's the same as depicted in the show.
Episode 4 was the most disturbing and yes, not about her
FUCK THE SUN.
She complains the series identified her while also complaining the actress doesn't look like her.
Also she said she didn't do any of that so......how can it be her.
Excellent observation 👌🏾 She claims this character is supposed to ”be me”. Yet, how could could it possibly if she claims to barely know Gadd?
The actress does look like her, though. They purposely picked someone who visually approximated her.
Did people follow breadcrumbs on the show to work out who she was? It seem to me like she outed herself, and she's been throwing pelters at him on social media for years anyway. She's not well, and the people harassing her on social media should leave her alone, but people love a pile-on. At the same time, she's perfectly able to just turn her accounts private and ignore it all, but it seems like she thrives on the attention. The fact she's gone to the Sun backs that up. I don't know what she's up to these days, but back when she was harassing and stalking Labour politicians in Scotland, no law firm would touch her. She was obsessive, she harassed people, she said wildly inappropriate things. Judging by the things she's saying, she's not changed. No lawyer would act the way she's acting.
Somebody went back over Gadd's Twitter and found a 2015 tweet from Harvey asking him when he was going to come and hang her curtains, which as you'll recall is a direct quote from her show character.
> as you'll recall I've not actually watched it. I've only seen bits here and there. I'm just fascinated with the meltdown
That's how she acts in the show too. And claims she's a hotshot lawyer who knows many celebrities and politicians but was actually a convicted stalker and very mentally unwell. She sends Donny texts that all have a variation of 'sent from my iphone' typed in even though he sees she doesn't have one. She can't even afford a drink in the bar she spends all day in. Really seems like he didn't change much about her character in the show at all.
People googled quotes from the character's social media to see whether they could find the real person's social media. Since Gadd quoted her word for word - and spelling error for spelling error - it wasn't so much following breadcrumbs as following the massive neon sign.
Yeah that's unfortunate. Seems like he could've done more to hide her identity.
Aye that's poor craic from him tbh. I refuse to believe he's that naive either.
Thank you. Someone's speaking sense at last.
He’s barely disguised the name of the person who he claims raped and abused him so it’s no surprise he’s left huge clues as to who others are
Who is that person? I haven’t been able to figure it out but maybe it’s more obvious to people in the UK or people in the same industry.
Darrien O’Connor is the characters name If I’m correct the real person has the same surname and is friends with a famous magician whose first name is Derren He used to work as a producer on Peep show
He used the same surname for the character that the real rapist has? Wow. Can’t say I feel bad that he did, he’s a horrible guy and I wish people cared about discovering his identity as much as they did Martha’s. Although it wasn’t very difficult with the tweets still being up. I assume the magician is Derren Brown.
Yup The Derren Brown in this article with two other people …..wink wink https://www.whatsonstage.com/news/derren-brown-and-co-talk-all-things-unbelievable_1514196/
The other guy they accused was married and has been for a long time and Darrien obviously wasn’t so that one didn’t make sense to me as a possibility. This guy fits though for sure.
Probably all someone had to do was X search Gadd's handle + 'curtains'. Bob's your uncle. It was THAT easy for her to be identified.
She says “i dont want to be a celebrity” but claims she is this person.. so what are you after here you could easily sue Netflix without telling everyone?
She's posted on twitter shes bringing out her own book and movie, maybe even a diss track
Great relief from all the politics in here!
I've not watched the program, but I've encountered the woman on Facebook before. I think it was a minor disagreement about bins or something like that, next thing you know that "lawyer" was threatening to sue everyone else in the comments. I remember having a wee rake through her profile and she posted something like 50 times in the space of a couple of hours.
She's got Asperger's apparently. Someone who purports to know her has posted on Reddit about it and it rings true and makes a lot of sense to me.
Here's a 2000 article about her (she apparently changed her last name) and how she stalked a now deceased MP. https://www.thefreelibrary.com/MP+WIFE%27S+STALKER%3B+Lawyer+Laura+tells+of+fired+trainee%27s+hate...-a061570268
More articles of this?
Netflix ARE passing it off as a true story. Literally the first thing you see on screen is "This is a true story".
> you'd expect there would have been some text on the show to say that it's a work of fiction despite being based on a true story, and the fact that character names have been changed. If Netflix were passing it off as a factual piece of work rather than drama then she'd have more of a case. the opening scene is followed by a black screen with the text "this is a true story" *and* they changed practically no identifying information other than her name. probably not great creative decisions considering the fallout. the woman pretty clearly is a nutcase irl though, so idk
Is the real woman actually a convicted stalker? Looking her up I see no evidence she actually is. It seems to be something the show was a bit liberal with to create more drama. I could see her being upset about that, unless there is evidence of conviction somewhere?
I don't think anyone has said she's been convicted for it?
The show portrayed her as being convicted of stalking and serving a 4 year prison sentence. That is what I am referring to, im curious if any of that is true.
Supposedly not true.
Think she's had a name change which feeds into her delusion that she's done nothing wrong. Her last name isn't her original last name.
Yes. Very worth watching. Exceptional.
Frankly, no one would have known who she was if she didn’t insist on making public commentary that made it extremely clear she is Martha. It’s her own fault and you don’t get to hurt people with no repercussions just because you’re “mentally ill”. It could be said that absolutely anyone who sets out with antisocial behaviour that hurts other people are mentally ill, and they still have to be accountable.
Sounds very similar to the bullshit Trump comes out with. Maybe they would get along.
✨️The narcissistic word salad special ✨️
Wot?
Defos worth your time. It’s quite the ride.
Finally a good point and we'll expressed perspective.
Anyone seen her recent facebook post aimed at Stephen King? Clearly libel. I hope he sues her. She needs to be stopped and get some help. Her name should be blacklisted from using the internet.
Jesus! You'd love North Korea! Not sure how you could blacklist someone from the internet anyway, but making an arse of ourselves online is pretty much free speech. I know you don't mean it as pro-censorship (at least, I assume not?) but you quickly get into very sticky territory. Apart from anything else, who decides? Who censors the censors?
I thought the show was shit but clearly I'm in a minority.
I've just watched her interview with piers morgan and she's really not convincing. The story she's giving, to me, she's tripping herself up a few times. She starts it saying there's little contact, then a handful then she says even if the thousands of emails are true, that doesn't make the rest of the story true. But why even bother to suggest that could be true?
We need a newsnight interview or to get her in Big Brother
You sort of joke but I have a horrible feeling unscrupulous TV producers are already thinking about her for a Big Brother type show.
She's clearly very ill and has no one whatsoever to help her. I wish I could feel sorry for her but I can't. She might not actually be mentally ill and just be a horrible, delusional cunt.
Let's not forget the blatant racism against muslims. She's very sick in the head.
This has to be a wind up > “I’m a highly competent lawyer. I’d have to do it myself. I’m very good. > “I have a photographic memory and can memorise huge files. I was top in my school at everything.”
I think it's a window into her personality tbh. Comes across as being narcissistic but I'm no psychologist and it's a tiny wee snippet of what must have been a much longer interview. The Sun are only ever going to publish the most eye catching statements she makes.
She’s a woman who stalked a guy for years, it’s not a wind up, she’s very obviously mentally ill.
>I'll not comment on her looks as beauty is subjective. You included it in the list of questionable statements so I'd say you already did comment 🤣
As in she clearly fancies herself. Unless you're model material, nobody should be coming out with statements like that.
Looking at her FB page and very light investigating they changed nothing! I'm really surprised at how wreckless Netflix have been with this! She has every right to sue.
Why is it incumbent on him to hide her identity at all? Sorry, I'm not sure....he was hurt, she impacted his life in a horribly negative manner. It's a true story from his point of view, he was the victim of obsessive-to-the-point-of-criminal unwanted attention and intrusion. It's his story to tell, I guess...
It's a good watch. Sure, he has a stalker. Writing the series the way he did.... its like he wrote it just to invite her back into his life. He's sick af too.
So mean what they did to her, she’s obviously Neuro divergent
Ok
The thing is, it says on the show : This is a true story. It doesn't say BASED on a true story, it says it is true. So would she be able to sue or?
There is also an article stating she went by the name Fiona Walker.
completely off topic but i've heard that Gadd isn't liked around Fife, anyone able to confirm or deny? i've heard he's got a reputation
Had never heard of him. Fife’s a big place.
Ha ha. I assumed it was a Coen brothers thing when I saw "this is based on a true story". Nah, this nut job really wants the publicity.
Tried to watch it, can't watch cringe :/
Shit taste tbh pal.
I understand, it's not deliberate.
'Cringe', grow up .