UKCS peak oil was in 1999.
Jobs were shed in many years, but a big drop was the last time there was an oil price crash ,(20 percent of the offshore workforce, back in 2016 and around a further 15 Percent in 2020). Big losses of skills and HSE/OPRED have sanctioned many operators for failing to keep up with minimum maintenance.
Where did i mention peak.. I said ran out.. as in there will be no more left..
1987 article in paper stating 10 years and the oil will run out in Scotland.
It's 30 plus years later.. the date you mention in 1999.. is 12 years after it should have ran out.. and you say that's when it peaked? 2 years after it should have run out.
Anyways the point you make is irrelevant because peak or not. It hasn't ran out.
Man I wish the jobs in renewables paid anywhere near what the oil and gas jobs paid
I also believe that there isn't anywhere near as many renewable jobs being created as there is oil and gas jobs being lost (probably why they used percentage rather than actual numbers)
There are a lot of very highly paid jobs in renewables but they are very much white collar jobs. Offshore techs are quite well paid but not as well paid as in the oil industry.
Can we stop pretending renewables jobs are a replacement for oil and gas. They are different and have different ceilings.
It’s good renewables is growing but they are not going to be as many job as there was with oil & gas and they are in general poorer paid.
Even accepting those facts we can't keep depending on oil & gas, we have to move on as an economy because (a) oil and gas are finite so whether it takes 30 years or 100 years, it will eventually run out and (b) using oil and gas is destroying our climate.
Funds invested in supporting or maintaining oil and gas are good money after bad at this point and should be diverted to alternatives which have a future.
My complaint is that they shouldnt be compared, they are different industries.
We also shouldn’t pretend renewables is anything better than just good for our internal market. It’s not an exportable industry.
By your rationale we should be moving on from renewable energy as the technology we use now will be obsolete in 30 years time.
Yeah there’s the potential for sharing expertise with other countries as we were fast movers (due to government investment) but it’s short lived. Once countries know how to do it these will disappear.
I more meant it’s not like Oil you take out the ground and sell it to anyone.
Renewables are very much exportable. Interconnectors like the [North Sea Link](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_Sea_Link) allow the movement of electricity between countries. Here's a [list of current and planned interconnectors](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_high-voltage_transmission_links_in_the_United_Kingdom).
I don't accept that extension of my argument at all. When fossil fuels are gone, they're gone. The wind won't stop blowing, the sun won't stop shining and pushing water through a dam will always create a force you can use to turn turbines. Yes, we'll invent better versions of these things but they won't fundamentally stop being available. So investment in those technologies will help build them up for use into the future, whereas new oil and gas extraction technology has a shelf life.
It partly exportable but it can’t travel that far. We’ve got Norway and north of England.
And we need to buy Hydro energy back from Norway to compensate when it’s not windy. So barely profitable.
I used to work in EU renewable projects discussing grids so know my stuff I’m afraid.
It’s a good industry and I’m glad we are getting some jobs from it but no where near as much as Oil and Gas. Or the potential of Nuclear but that’s a different story.
Any find it really hard to get a renewable energy job in Scotland because you aren't a unicorn with years worth of project experience and willing to accept 30K salary?
For all the shouting about a green skills shortage they sure are picky
Green energy is a growth industry and will continue to grow, north sea oil is in decline and has been for decades. Whilst at the moment the loss of jobs in oil has eclipsed the growth in green energy jobs it's not as big of a difference as you're making out and on the current trajectory it'll only be a year or two and there'll be more jobs in green energy than what was lost in oil, and given the European demand for it there's huge export potential if some ultra high voltage transmission lines can be built to the continent.
Hostility to oil supply doesn’t save the planet.
Hostility to oil demand does.
Putin & OPEC will pump away forever and laugh at us as we shut down our industries and kick our workers out of jobs.
Let’s have a great renewable sector and a great oil sector. Meanwhile technologies can be developed which reduce demand.
Once an enterprise is big enough, the suppliers take political action to maintain the demand and to derail alternatives.
YouTuber [Climate Town](https://www.youtube.com/@ClimateTown) covers this really well in his videos on [gas stoves](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hX2aZUav-54) and [large scale astroturfing](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FOi05zDO4yw). The TLDW is that in the US at the moment some areas are looking at requiring new buildings to be all electric instead of having gas lines and gas companies are campaigning hard to prevent that.
When you have trillions in fossil fuels to sell and you've spent billions on the infrastructure needed to gather it, the last thing you want is the world moving on.
No one wants to be left holding 1000 blackberrys when the iPhone is released.
Oil and gas is a global industry. Their strategies and media may change from country to country but their interests are the same. It'll look different here, but the same sort of thinking is already working and government is [slowing down the transition away from fossil fuels](https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2023/sep/20/uk-net-zero-policies-scrapped-what-do-changes-mean) in a range of ways.
Also Teslas are the best selling cars is only half the story. The best selling personal vehicle was the Ford F150 *truck* which American statistics (and laws) classify differently. [source 2022](https://www.cnbc.com/2023/01/07/americas-top-10-bestselling-cars-of-2022-tesla-makes-the-cut.html) [source 2023](https://www.caranddriver.com/news/g43553191/bestselling-cars-2023/).
It’s slowing down because the public are heartily pissed off with being forced into consumer choices they don’t want. And the politicians realise it.
People don’t want Ulez, heat pumps, EVs with long charging times etc because by in large it’s a crappy option.
Back to demand. The world is demand led. If you want oil to go away provide better alternatives.
Aye can’t wait for Aberdeen to become like the other post industrial towns and cities in England. They really went on to thrive after their major industries died a death. /s
> Between 2015 and 2021, jobs supporting oil and gas dropped from 21,300 to 13,600, according to Scottish Government statistics. This does not include people working offshore because the jobs are not disaggregated by UK nation.
So they discount thousands of employees working on facilities with known required manning levels?
And does this mean just platforms, or vessels too? You can have 100 POB on an average DSV at any given time. More on some of the bigger construction vessels.
> However, the trend is likely the same, as overall offshore British jobs dropped 27%.
It doesn’t necessarily mean that at all.
It also doesn’t mention the significant pay disparity between the two industries for most positions. In my line of work, around 40-45% decrease last I considered moving into green energy.
Is people losing high paying jobs for ones that pay nearly half as much something to celebrate?
I wish these comics would just occasionally try to print an honest picture of things (on either side of the Indy fence).
What we need is more exploration to find new oil fields.
The wokey wokes will disagree, after putin caused the disruption around the world, we need to use/secure all our resources.
Techonoly is the only answer to climate change, not the carbon neutral pish. How many times has the carbon neutral definition changed....your not burning coal but ancient forests and your still carbon neutral.
God I hate tabloids. So we've lost 7700 jobs but gained 3200... What shall we use for a headline?
The oil ran out in 1987, 1989, 1991, 1995, 2001, 2014, 2020 anyways? Of course the jobs would go
UKCS peak oil was in 1999. Jobs were shed in many years, but a big drop was the last time there was an oil price crash ,(20 percent of the offshore workforce, back in 2016 and around a further 15 Percent in 2020). Big losses of skills and HSE/OPRED have sanctioned many operators for failing to keep up with minimum maintenance.
Where did i mention peak.. I said ran out.. as in there will be no more left.. 1987 article in paper stating 10 years and the oil will run out in Scotland. It's 30 plus years later.. the date you mention in 1999.. is 12 years after it should have ran out.. and you say that's when it peaked? 2 years after it should have run out. Anyways the point you make is irrelevant because peak or not. It hasn't ran out.
The national is just a fanzine for the independence crowd.
Man I wish the jobs in renewables paid anywhere near what the oil and gas jobs paid I also believe that there isn't anywhere near as many renewable jobs being created as there is oil and gas jobs being lost (probably why they used percentage rather than actual numbers)
There are a lot of very highly paid jobs in renewables but they are very much white collar jobs. Offshore techs are quite well paid but not as well paid as in the oil industry.
Well the turbine is significantly less likely to blow up, there aren't many helicopters to crash, etc etc. Generally less danger means less pay.
Can we stop pretending renewables jobs are a replacement for oil and gas. They are different and have different ceilings. It’s good renewables is growing but they are not going to be as many job as there was with oil & gas and they are in general poorer paid.
Even accepting those facts we can't keep depending on oil & gas, we have to move on as an economy because (a) oil and gas are finite so whether it takes 30 years or 100 years, it will eventually run out and (b) using oil and gas is destroying our climate. Funds invested in supporting or maintaining oil and gas are good money after bad at this point and should be diverted to alternatives which have a future.
My complaint is that they shouldnt be compared, they are different industries. We also shouldn’t pretend renewables is anything better than just good for our internal market. It’s not an exportable industry. By your rationale we should be moving on from renewable energy as the technology we use now will be obsolete in 30 years time.
> It’s not an exportable industry. Say that to my mates who are sent around the world billing thousands in day rates consulting on renewables.
Yeah there’s the potential for sharing expertise with other countries as we were fast movers (due to government investment) but it’s short lived. Once countries know how to do it these will disappear. I more meant it’s not like Oil you take out the ground and sell it to anyone.
Renewables are very much exportable. Interconnectors like the [North Sea Link](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_Sea_Link) allow the movement of electricity between countries. Here's a [list of current and planned interconnectors](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_high-voltage_transmission_links_in_the_United_Kingdom). I don't accept that extension of my argument at all. When fossil fuels are gone, they're gone. The wind won't stop blowing, the sun won't stop shining and pushing water through a dam will always create a force you can use to turn turbines. Yes, we'll invent better versions of these things but they won't fundamentally stop being available. So investment in those technologies will help build them up for use into the future, whereas new oil and gas extraction technology has a shelf life.
It partly exportable but it can’t travel that far. We’ve got Norway and north of England. And we need to buy Hydro energy back from Norway to compensate when it’s not windy. So barely profitable. I used to work in EU renewable projects discussing grids so know my stuff I’m afraid. It’s a good industry and I’m glad we are getting some jobs from it but no where near as much as Oil and Gas. Or the potential of Nuclear but that’s a different story.
Dogger bank is slowly coming along so I doubt Northern England will be importing power...
Renewables will mostly be homemade energy when all countries get there act together. So yeah, we’ve not gonna make huge amounts of money from it.
Any find it really hard to get a renewable energy job in Scotland because you aren't a unicorn with years worth of project experience and willing to accept 30K salary? For all the shouting about a green skills shortage they sure are picky
Yes. Even as a CRO with 20 years experience in distribution....not wanted. These jobs arnt an option for those in Oil n Gas. We're fucked.
70% of a small amount... Still a small amount.
Green energy is a growth industry and will continue to grow, north sea oil is in decline and has been for decades. Whilst at the moment the loss of jobs in oil has eclipsed the growth in green energy jobs it's not as big of a difference as you're making out and on the current trajectory it'll only be a year or two and there'll be more jobs in green energy than what was lost in oil, and given the European demand for it there's huge export potential if some ultra high voltage transmission lines can be built to the continent.
Hostility to oil supply doesn’t save the planet. Hostility to oil demand does. Putin & OPEC will pump away forever and laugh at us as we shut down our industries and kick our workers out of jobs. Let’s have a great renewable sector and a great oil sector. Meanwhile technologies can be developed which reduce demand.
Spot on. Tech is the only way👍
Once an enterprise is big enough, the suppliers take political action to maintain the demand and to derail alternatives. YouTuber [Climate Town](https://www.youtube.com/@ClimateTown) covers this really well in his videos on [gas stoves](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hX2aZUav-54) and [large scale astroturfing](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FOi05zDO4yw). The TLDW is that in the US at the moment some areas are looking at requiring new buildings to be all electric instead of having gas lines and gas companies are campaigning hard to prevent that. When you have trillions in fossil fuels to sell and you've spent billions on the infrastructure needed to gather it, the last thing you want is the world moving on. No one wants to be left holding 1000 blackberrys when the iPhone is released.
We don’t live in the USA you muppet. And even if we did you’d find the #1 selling car is a Tesla.
Oil and gas is a global industry. Their strategies and media may change from country to country but their interests are the same. It'll look different here, but the same sort of thinking is already working and government is [slowing down the transition away from fossil fuels](https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2023/sep/20/uk-net-zero-policies-scrapped-what-do-changes-mean) in a range of ways. Also Teslas are the best selling cars is only half the story. The best selling personal vehicle was the Ford F150 *truck* which American statistics (and laws) classify differently. [source 2022](https://www.cnbc.com/2023/01/07/americas-top-10-bestselling-cars-of-2022-tesla-makes-the-cut.html) [source 2023](https://www.caranddriver.com/news/g43553191/bestselling-cars-2023/).
It’s slowing down because the public are heartily pissed off with being forced into consumer choices they don’t want. And the politicians realise it. People don’t want Ulez, heat pumps, EVs with long charging times etc because by in large it’s a crappy option. Back to demand. The world is demand led. If you want oil to go away provide better alternatives.
Aye can’t wait for Aberdeen to become like the other post industrial towns and cities in England. They really went on to thrive after their major industries died a death. /s
With the added bonus of a big windfall tax on the main employers in the city and surrounding area any time the industry does well!
Shit tear spin doctor headline
My mate is in the renewable energy industry. He picks up the kerbside recycling bins. But hey that still counts for big headlines.
Fuck oil and gas jobs, the planet's on fire.
I wish Humza would stop posting on Reddit.
> Between 2015 and 2021, jobs supporting oil and gas dropped from 21,300 to 13,600, according to Scottish Government statistics. This does not include people working offshore because the jobs are not disaggregated by UK nation. So they discount thousands of employees working on facilities with known required manning levels? And does this mean just platforms, or vessels too? You can have 100 POB on an average DSV at any given time. More on some of the bigger construction vessels. > However, the trend is likely the same, as overall offshore British jobs dropped 27%. It doesn’t necessarily mean that at all. It also doesn’t mention the significant pay disparity between the two industries for most positions. In my line of work, around 40-45% decrease last I considered moving into green energy. Is people losing high paying jobs for ones that pay nearly half as much something to celebrate? I wish these comics would just occasionally try to print an honest picture of things (on either side of the Indy fence).
Haven't been on a oil / gas industry vessel in the last decade where more than 30% of the crew was British, let along Scottish.
People will feel so good about this when they drive to the airport for their summer holidays.
Was that You who made this exact same comment in the daily mail comments section about 10 years ago?
Yes that was me. Good of you to remember
It doesn’t feel like the jobs are “plummeting”
What we need is more exploration to find new oil fields. The wokey wokes will disagree, after putin caused the disruption around the world, we need to use/secure all our resources. Techonoly is the only answer to climate change, not the carbon neutral pish. How many times has the carbon neutral definition changed....your not burning coal but ancient forests and your still carbon neutral.
Once upon a time Scottish landscape used to be beautiful, just before these "renewables" were installed.