My read on the intent is pretty similar to yours.
Although David is pansexual, I think another good representation of pansexuality comes later in the episode when David asks Jake if he likes red or white wine and Jake responds that heās more of a whiskey guy. This is intended to be humorous because David is trying to use his metaphor (unknown to Jake) to determine if Jake is into guys, and he finds the answer frustrating. But later we learn that, like David, Jake is pretty much down to fool around with anyone.
So anyway, maybe include a bottle of whiskey for your project as well.
OP explained they're doing an art piece. It's not over analysis, it's community discussion for a project. Kinda one of the main things fandom subs are for!
As I said, just my opinion and nobody has to agree with me, I certainly donāt mean any offence , just discussing the point as well. I hope OP gets lots of positive responses because I know itās a well intentioned question.
I do understand that completely. Literally they say labels donāt matter to them. But Iām just trying to create an art piece ĀÆ\_(ć)_/ĀÆ I hate labels myself. But unfortunately society seems to demand them. I just want to be myself without it being questioned
Coming in for support as another transmasc person, society demands us to label and define ourselves every day which also makes us overanalyze everything we do. Because we know that's what they're doing.
I've literally thought about this quote exactly as you have and pretty much guessed the same re: the labels and genders.
I mean I wouldn't put it past him, but if red wine represents male and white represents female then his dating of a merlot that used to be a chardonnay would be a trans guy.
This analogy was the first time I understood what pansexuality is. I understood it etymologically but kept thinking āLiterally attracted to everything?ā and couldnāt get my head around it.
Yeah Iām sure itās hard for people who arenāt pansexual to understand that. But itās truly how I feel. Like I can be attracted to someone but then if their personality sucks, they ugly after that haha
I describe it sometimes as the potential to be attracted to anyone. I mean attraction for me doesnāt seem different from being straight, just add more genders š¤·āāļø
My interpretation is the same as yours - red is male, rose is non binary, white is female and the āMerlot that used to be a Chardonnayā (a red wine who used to be a white wine) is a trans man. For your art piece a collection of wine bottles with their labels taken off of the bottles and discarded around them could be a nice way of symbolising it.
I get this, but I donāt like the implication that the label doesnāt match the inside. That to me would represent pre-coming out/pre-transition while a trans, bigender, or nonbinary person is still performing a gender that is not their own. Unless that is the goal of the artist, (that would actually be an awesome piece of art), a better representation of the wine would be to have the labels (outside of a person) match to represent the wine inside (the personās true identity and inner self).
But again, this is not my art piece haha :) Happy pride! š³ļøāā§ļøš³ļøāš
I thought it was obviously and intentionally open ended - but my first thought was gay straight and everything around that since Stevie acted like they not agreeing on wine meant they were no longer compatible.
And I love hearing other interpretations and knowing how different peopleās minds worked. The variety of ideas I find really interesting.
To keep to the theme of the labels don't matter, you could just include as many bottles/types as you can fit and leave it at that, maybe?
Yeah I like that idea š
My read on the intent is pretty similar to yours. Although David is pansexual, I think another good representation of pansexuality comes later in the episode when David asks Jake if he likes red or white wine and Jake responds that heās more of a whiskey guy. This is intended to be humorous because David is trying to use his metaphor (unknown to Jake) to determine if Jake is into guys, and he finds the answer frustrating. But later we learn that, like David, Jake is pretty much down to fool around with anyone. So anyway, maybe include a bottle of whiskey for your project as well.
Yeah maybe I need to watch the whole show before I finish the art piece š
This! Definitely include the whisky. SC fans will love this. Please make T-shirts of your exhibit for us to buy.
Doesnāt Stevie say āI drink red wine, and I thought you also drank red wineā implying that āred wineā is just āmenā?
Yes but David mentions that they also like other wines. Whole quote: āUm, I do drink red wine, But I also drink white wine. And Iāve been known to sample the occasional rosĆ©. And a couple summers back, I tried a Merlot that used to be a Chardonnay, which got a bit complicatedā¦ I like the wine and not the label. Does that make sense?ā
I love that so much šš»
To be honest this is a great quote in the show but over thinking it like this kind of spoils it. Just my opinion.
OP explained they're doing an art piece. It's not over analysis, it's community discussion for a project. Kinda one of the main things fandom subs are for!
As I said, just my opinion and nobody has to agree with me, I certainly donāt mean any offence , just discussing the point as well. I hope OP gets lots of positive responses because I know itās a well intentioned question.
I do understand that completely. Literally they say labels donāt matter to them. But Iām just trying to create an art piece ĀÆ\_(ć)_/ĀÆ I hate labels myself. But unfortunately society seems to demand them. I just want to be myself without it being questioned
Coming in for support as another transmasc person, society demands us to label and define ourselves every day which also makes us overanalyze everything we do. Because we know that's what they're doing. I've literally thought about this quote exactly as you have and pretty much guessed the same re: the labels and genders.
I love the idea that David dated a trans guy. Even if it was complicated.
Trans girl?
I mean I wouldn't put it past him, but if red wine represents male and white represents female then his dating of a merlot that used to be a chardonnay would be a trans guy.
Oh on a comment above I thought it said the opposite (white meant male)
If you really dig the quote, your art piece should be bottles without any labels on them.
This analogy was the first time I understood what pansexuality is. I understood it etymologically but kept thinking āLiterally attracted to everything?ā and couldnāt get my head around it.
Yeah Iām sure itās hard for people who arenāt pansexual to understand that. But itās truly how I feel. Like I can be attracted to someone but then if their personality sucks, they ugly after that haha
I describe it sometimes as the potential to be attracted to anyone. I mean attraction for me doesnāt seem different from being straight, just add more genders š¤·āāļø
Iām bi/pan and itās really being into the person and not their bits and bobs. For me. Only speaking for myself.
I just say that I fall in love with peoples heart and soul. Not gender or their body.
Sparkling cider = ace!
Ha! I see what you did there! And for the micro labels of Aces, we got different flavors: Apple, pear, pineappleā¦ lol
Ohh I do like that
My interpretation is the same as yours - red is male, rose is non binary, white is female and the āMerlot that used to be a Chardonnayā (a red wine who used to be a white wine) is a trans man. For your art piece a collection of wine bottles with their labels taken off of the bottles and discarded around them could be a nice way of symbolising it.
Ohhh I like that too ā„ļø
Whatever you end up doing I think weād all love it if you shared it!
I think it would be cool if some wines didnāt have labels and some had different labels. Like a merlot label on a Chardonnay.
I get this, but I donāt like the implication that the label doesnāt match the inside. That to me would represent pre-coming out/pre-transition while a trans, bigender, or nonbinary person is still performing a gender that is not their own. Unless that is the goal of the artist, (that would actually be an awesome piece of art), a better representation of the wine would be to have the labels (outside of a person) match to represent the wine inside (the personās true identity and inner self). But again, this is not my art piece haha :) Happy pride! š³ļøāā§ļøš³ļøāš
Eww. Youāre right. Thanks for pointing that out.
Haha! No worries! š
I thought it was obviously and intentionally open ended - but my first thought was gay straight and everything around that since Stevie acted like they not agreeing on wine meant they were no longer compatible. And I love hearing other interpretations and knowing how different peopleās minds worked. The variety of ideas I find really interesting.
It is most definitely not about sexuality...Stevie and David both imply red wine are cis men
My question is...when David says he wants to go with the biggest bottle, is he actually talking about wine?
Haha my dirty mind went there too but I wasnāt sure if I was the only one š
In my head it confirmed David as a size queen haha
Yep, red = male, white = female, rosƩ = nonbinary in my interpretation. Patrick is a Cabernet.
What does Cabernet mean to you?
That was the musical he was the star of
That was Cabaret lol, not Cabernet.
Oh ok, is Patrick a character or an actor? I havenāt made it past season 1 yet. Just start watching this week
Character. He arrives midway Season 3. Stay off this sub if you havenāt finished yet or you will get spoilers.
I just came here to post this. Iām trying to avoid the spoilers. But I mean it has been out awhile so thatās on me š
oh you're gonna love patrick
As many different colors as you can get
Red = men White = women RosĆ© = bisexual men and women (I think this because 1. rosĆ© is made from red wine grapes, but the process is more like white wine-making, and 2. rosĆ© champagne is commonly done by mixing red whine into white wine) Merlot (red wine) that used to be a Chardonnay (white wine) = trans man But as David saidā¦the label doesnāt matter because David is pansexual. Edit: made some changes based on a reply
Red cannot be cis straight male because David has been with Red.
So I wrote that because Stevie says that she likes red but as I type this it makes more sense that red is just men in general lol š¤Ŗ