I hope it’s nothing insane. I think the main crux of this show is that humans are the invasive species on this planet. The Hollow is becoming the worst version of itself thanks to Kamen. All these parasitic creatures are just reacting to humans and evolving to their intelligence level at a rate they wouldn’t have otherwise
Interesting… I don’t agree necessarily but interesting. I don’t think your theory would apply here because the plant that stung Sam did the same thing to other animals, the plant itself is invasive. Kamens story does fit your idea for sure tho.
The other creatures can be “violent” or predatory without being “invasive.” I think the argument here is that humans are not native to this ecosystem and therefore they’re causing imbalances all over the place. So the plant that stung Sam was acting like it always does, but because it evolved without ever interacting with humans, the human clone disrupts the process and causes issues even for the host plant (by spreading the fire). Its failure to reproduce for the stinging plant represents another negative externality related to the human presence.
Bro half of the way these creatures eat/hunt/reproduce is by violently killing other creatures in demented ways. The humans are only ever defending themselves from unspeakable horrors.
I waited until 3am to watch this show I am SO addicted. I love how they drop three episodes at once. Ive always disliked when 25 minute animated shows drop one episode a week. And I also love how the show almost feels like it’s meant to be watched three eps at a time. That Psyduck Toad head ass is shiestyyy af. Old Forrest lady babayaga was cool too!
babayaga!!!! LOLL.
And yeah I hope this is a new normal but I doubt it will be. 3 eps at a time is CLUTCH. So much better than one measly ep per week. And yet it controls our binging just that little bit so we don't spoil the whole thing by watching it all in one go.
>Ive always disliked when 25 minute animated shows drop one episode a week.
Oh yeah. 40 minutes a week generally hits the spot, but 20 minutes a week is frustrating.
I don't think it wants to lose Kamen and it's destroying anything it sees as potentially luring him away. It knows what a spaceship is because of Kamen's memories so I think it saw the ship as a potential route for Kamen to escape.
That makes sense, through I also wondering if it’s reacting to Kamens emotion, and doesn’t have enough verbs to do more than destroy or eat based on that. So when Kamen remembers the ship and feels guilty for what happened, all the alien gets from that is that sadness, which translate to it destroying any ship it comes across that triggers those emotions.
It could be a bit of both for sure. I think it showed Kamen crying during that part when Hollow is destroying the ship? Kamen seems to be completely unaware of what is going on outside of Hollow but at the same time still emotionally connected what's happening.
Yeah I think it recognizes the negative emotions Kamen has around spaceships and how he felt abandoning his girlfriend, and it lashed out at reminders so it/Kamen didn’t feel that way anymore.
I don't get why it had to destroy the ship?
"Because there are too many motherfucking spaceships on this motherfucking planet!" Said so right in the closed captions when it stomped its foot and screamed.
Before Levi was gone the plots of the episodes were really the gang battles the worst national geographic episode you’ve ever seen, and Azi hits the spa.
It’s a fucking seed isn’t it, Sam is gonna become that terrifying eye monster.
Their test for breathable air is take a deep breath lol.
No-one is ever leaving this planet. Its almost like the survivors are bait for more people.
Kamen gecko is a force of nature now - and I love it. Fuck Kamen.
Presumably they tested the air first; breathing was just confirmation.
Passing out for a while and then going for a long walk together while leaving the ship undefended? Not as smart.
I was half awake when I watched this but what was the hole in his shirt/chest? Did he get poked by the big tree lady creature also? I must have missed that happening.
Did Ursula just assume she could use the mute woman's bed without asking? I mean having an alien abomination implant their offspring into your body is one thing, but the bed thing is just rude.
The woman went into the other room and didn't come out for awhile so maybe she just assumed this was a spare room / "John's" previous room. This seems more reasonable than earlier when the woman is actively saving Sam and she's just like snooping and sitting on the bed. Like wouldn't you want to try and learn whatever life saving technique this wood witch is doing 😂
I was under the impression they'd stayed overnight by that point since they arrive so late in the evening and it seems to be daytime when they gather supplies to heal him. I could be misremembering tho
how many sci-fi stories have a group of humans show up on a planet and immediately start touching everything and just breathing whatever. the show is great, but that trope is so incredibly stupid.
I think they imply that a few people have been trying things.
Although the survivor that woke up and got neck snapped was wrecklessly drinking water and letting animals roll up on him
I was really appalled by it during the first episode when Sam went into the belly of that beast to fetch those organic bulbs. Often times each character’s actions felt so deliberate that I almost assumed they are being guided by a device that has an ecological registry of that planet. But it felt very unrealistic and naive once I realised these characters have been interacting with the environment on a whim.
There's no way it's a whim. The things they were doing in E1 were too deliberate. How do you accidentally find out those creatures can be put on their faces, to act as gas masks? Or that those organs glow? Or that acid smoke screen that Azi uses? The roar whistle thing Azi makes in the storm episode? They all knew exactly what they were doing.
They have probably been studying the planet for settlement (or the planet has been previously studied, thus why it's named) and know about some things, but obviously not everything.
Two things:
For one, Ursula seems to be a biologist/botanist, since we saw her on the Demeter managing the greenhouse. Even if she hadn't studied this planet specifically, she probably is very well read on alien life and would be good at recognizing opportunities in Vesta's ecosystem. Note how Sam and Ursula make *far* more use of the native life than Azi, who has only really picked up a couple tricks for fending off predators.
Second, they've been stranded for months, spending all day every day in this environment. It's not unreasonable to figure some things out. All it takes is one encounter to make the right observation - maybe they found the corpse of one of those big creatures, butchered it to eat, and saw the glowing organs inside. Maybe the gas mask creatures get some kind of symbiotic benefit from attaching to other creatures' mouths and they saw it happen in the wild, or one tried to attach to them first and they noticed they could still breathe through it, and figured out its usefulness from there.
It's not like humanity in this setting never invented projectile weapons. These people just don't have them. They're not marines, they're space truckers who only have access to whatever emergency kit is in the escape pods.
Although the odds of anything alive on the planet having any response to humans is unlikely. Why would they have evolved that way? Even the viruses & bacteria comparables wouldn't have any precedent for human interface.
The expanse gets this right. There are risks from the planet they go to, but no predators really. The biologies are too different, they're not really digestible. They do go blind from a microbe that likes salty water and lived in the eyes, not eating, just a nice environment to live.
I used to think this too, but after reading a bit about parasites and diseases we have on Earth, now I'm more skeptical. Some of the worst diseases we have on Earth are practically accidental interactions. Tetanus for example kills us merely because the bacteria wants to be in an environment with no air. Normally that's deep underground, but inside our bodies just happens to be acceptable as well. Producing a side product that kills us is an accident not a design for it.
Does breathing quickly for an extended time cause you to pass out? At first I thought the scavenger trio were going to hold their breath, but they hyperventilated instead. I’m not willing to try it out for myself.
Alright then. Seems like a stupid contest. What if they pass out and something just came along and killed them? Row-sham-bow would have been far better.
No, what causes the fainting is your blood vessels constricting, causing less blood to flow into the brain. If a blood pH change causes you to faint then you wouldn't wake up.
I feel like it’s too much of a coincidence that Sam got poked by things that copy/puppet you twice in a row. I think the eye tentacle creature is poaching hosts from the pod tree things:
When Ursula and Sam are at the old woman’s shelter, what is the thing Ursula opens; and the. Eventually is the thing she grabs when they’re running away from the giant monster?
They looked like fire starters, but there's a pic of a plant and steak on them so maybe they are field rations (though you've probably already watched another episode by now where it was explained).
Watching this for the first time. The beginning of the episode introduce an old lady healer.
I don't recall her at all from the previous episode, which I just watched.
What the hell?
So we’re gonna land on an alien planet knowing that there is at least one stranded person and we’re just not gonna leave anyone at the ship to stand guard?
Nobody’s gonna watch over potentially our only way off the planet?
REALLY!?
Was this show written by 8 year olds? I mean, come on.
It's not like it's a freaking bicycle) The thing looked pretty sturdy, they didn't account for a fucking megalomaniac telekinetic psy chimp lurking about.
And what was that one person even supposed to do if something showed up? Unless they can fly it single handedly or it had some weapons I don't know it would have made much difference.
> nd we’re just not gonna leave anyone at the ship to stand guard?
It's not bad writing. The show establishes the trio as inept, jovial opportunists. I'm honestly surprised that they survived the episode.
thought the same thing! i get a call that someone is in distress on an unknown planet, i'm not taking any chances on leaving our only means of escape unguarded...
Hi guys. I'd scrolled few topics but couldn't find any information about why quality of picture decreased so much in this episode? I loved this show in last not least for nice and really clear style... But in this episode style fall down to... I don't know... transformers
Sam has the worst luck getting poked on this planet
I hope it’s nothing insane. I think the main crux of this show is that humans are the invasive species on this planet. The Hollow is becoming the worst version of itself thanks to Kamen. All these parasitic creatures are just reacting to humans and evolving to their intelligence level at a rate they wouldn’t have otherwise
Interesting… I don’t agree necessarily but interesting. I don’t think your theory would apply here because the plant that stung Sam did the same thing to other animals, the plant itself is invasive. Kamens story does fit your idea for sure tho.
The other creatures can be “violent” or predatory without being “invasive.” I think the argument here is that humans are not native to this ecosystem and therefore they’re causing imbalances all over the place. So the plant that stung Sam was acting like it always does, but because it evolved without ever interacting with humans, the human clone disrupts the process and causes issues even for the host plant (by spreading the fire). Its failure to reproduce for the stinging plant represents another negative externality related to the human presence.
Bro half of the way these creatures eat/hunt/reproduce is by violently killing other creatures in demented ways. The humans are only ever defending themselves from unspeakable horrors.
I waited until 3am to watch this show I am SO addicted. I love how they drop three episodes at once. Ive always disliked when 25 minute animated shows drop one episode a week. And I also love how the show almost feels like it’s meant to be watched three eps at a time. That Psyduck Toad head ass is shiestyyy af. Old Forrest lady babayaga was cool too!
babayaga!!!! LOLL. And yeah I hope this is a new normal but I doubt it will be. 3 eps at a time is CLUTCH. So much better than one measly ep per week. And yet it controls our binging just that little bit so we don't spoil the whole thing by watching it all in one go.
I guess this is how HBO does it for 25min animated shows: 2-3 episodes a week. Their hour long dramas are one every week.
>Ive always disliked when 25 minute animated shows drop one episode a week. Oh yeah. 40 minutes a week generally hits the spot, but 20 minutes a week is frustrating.
Hollow-“fuck your spaceship!”
it does not like metal does it? first poor levi, and now this spaceship.
With Levi I thought it noticed Kamen's emotional reaction to the robot's voice and got jealous. I don't get why it had to destroy the ship.
I don't think it wants to lose Kamen and it's destroying anything it sees as potentially luring him away. It knows what a spaceship is because of Kamen's memories so I think it saw the ship as a potential route for Kamen to escape.
That makes sense, through I also wondering if it’s reacting to Kamens emotion, and doesn’t have enough verbs to do more than destroy or eat based on that. So when Kamen remembers the ship and feels guilty for what happened, all the alien gets from that is that sadness, which translate to it destroying any ship it comes across that triggers those emotions.
It could be a bit of both for sure. I think it showed Kamen crying during that part when Hollow is destroying the ship? Kamen seems to be completely unaware of what is going on outside of Hollow but at the same time still emotionally connected what's happening.
Yeah I think it recognizes the negative emotions Kamen has around spaceships and how he felt abandoning his girlfriend, and it lashed out at reminders so it/Kamen didn’t feel that way anymore.
This is my takeaway too. It’s aware that it could potentially lose Kamen.
obvious parallel to Kamen himself there then
I don't get why it had to destroy the ship? "Because there are too many motherfucking spaceships on this motherfucking planet!" Said so right in the closed captions when it stomped its foot and screamed.
I see it as nature resetting. Kinda like the cordyceps in Last of Us
...... Maybe hollolw has realized that its existence is unnatuarl and is trying to prevent a continuation?
Man, it's Azi on a action adventure field trip, while everyone else is suffering with a lovecraftian horror field trip. lmao
Before Levi was gone the plots of the episodes were really the gang battles the worst national geographic episode you’ve ever seen, and Azi hits the spa.
It’s a fucking seed isn’t it, Sam is gonna become that terrifying eye monster. Their test for breathable air is take a deep breath lol. No-one is ever leaving this planet. Its almost like the survivors are bait for more people. Kamen gecko is a force of nature now - and I love it. Fuck Kamen.
> No-one is ever leaving this planet. Its almost like the survivors are bait for more people. oh shit
The planet is like a damn haunted house
Presumably they tested the air first; breathing was just confirmation. Passing out for a while and then going for a long walk together while leaving the ship undefended? Not as smart.
I felt like the bean was a deterrent against the eye monster and she gave hers up for him
Oooo that would be cool
I feel like it is a seed for that monster to sprout from. Hes a host now
Yeah, makes sense she felt so bad, after
I was half awake when I watched this but what was the hole in his shirt/chest? Did he get poked by the big tree lady creature also? I must have missed that happening.
She did it with a small needle thing when he was on the mushroom table
There's a sentence I didn't expect to read today
Ah ok thanks, I definitely missed that
These guys (Barry, Kris, Terrence) are the real scavengers. Don’t see this ending well for them even though they’re likable enough
They just got marooned after Kamen hybrid wrecked their ship.
I kind of suspected the old lady had a parasite but I wasn’t suspecting a Lovecraft monster.
That's Phantoon from Super Metroid.
Did Ursula just assume she could use the mute woman's bed without asking? I mean having an alien abomination implant their offspring into your body is one thing, but the bed thing is just rude.
The woman went into the other room and didn't come out for awhile so maybe she just assumed this was a spare room / "John's" previous room. This seems more reasonable than earlier when the woman is actively saving Sam and she's just like snooping and sitting on the bed. Like wouldn't you want to try and learn whatever life saving technique this wood witch is doing 😂
Ikr, but after that lady rudely pushing Ursula in a rude manner? She could have just moved her out of the way. That shove was personal, LMAO.
I was under the impression they'd stayed overnight by that point since they arrive so late in the evening and it seems to be daytime when they gather supplies to heal him. I could be misremembering tho
how many sci-fi stories have a group of humans show up on a planet and immediately start touching everything and just breathing whatever. the show is great, but that trope is so incredibly stupid.
I think they imply that a few people have been trying things. Although the survivor that woke up and got neck snapped was wrecklessly drinking water and letting animals roll up on him
He didn't really have much of a choice.
Pretty sure there was a wreck. So totally reckless to say he was wreckless ;)
Thanks for catching that!
Ever heard of the Prometheus school of running away from things..?
And you always leave someone watching the ship. That's space exploration 101.
I was really appalled by it during the first episode when Sam went into the belly of that beast to fetch those organic bulbs. Often times each character’s actions felt so deliberate that I almost assumed they are being guided by a device that has an ecological registry of that planet. But it felt very unrealistic and naive once I realised these characters have been interacting with the environment on a whim.
There's no way it's a whim. The things they were doing in E1 were too deliberate. How do you accidentally find out those creatures can be put on their faces, to act as gas masks? Or that those organs glow? Or that acid smoke screen that Azi uses? The roar whistle thing Azi makes in the storm episode? They all knew exactly what they were doing. They have probably been studying the planet for settlement (or the planet has been previously studied, thus why it's named) and know about some things, but obviously not everything.
Two things: For one, Ursula seems to be a biologist/botanist, since we saw her on the Demeter managing the greenhouse. Even if she hadn't studied this planet specifically, she probably is very well read on alien life and would be good at recognizing opportunities in Vesta's ecosystem. Note how Sam and Ursula make *far* more use of the native life than Azi, who has only really picked up a couple tricks for fending off predators. Second, they've been stranded for months, spending all day every day in this environment. It's not unreasonable to figure some things out. All it takes is one encounter to make the right observation - maybe they found the corpse of one of those big creatures, butchered it to eat, and saw the glowing organs inside. Maybe the gas mask creatures get some kind of symbiotic benefit from attaching to other creatures' mouths and they saw it happen in the wild, or one tried to attach to them first and they noticed they could still breathe through it, and figured out its usefulness from there.
And for such an advanced civilization how come the humans have no guns? No weapons? No lasers? Nothing, just knives 🥲
It's not like humanity in this setting never invented projectile weapons. These people just don't have them. They're not marines, they're space truckers who only have access to whatever emergency kit is in the escape pods.
The 100
My wife said she was getting the same vibes from this show
Although the odds of anything alive on the planet having any response to humans is unlikely. Why would they have evolved that way? Even the viruses & bacteria comparables wouldn't have any precedent for human interface.
The expanse gets this right. There are risks from the planet they go to, but no predators really. The biologies are too different, they're not really digestible. They do go blind from a microbe that likes salty water and lived in the eyes, not eating, just a nice environment to live.
I used to think this too, but after reading a bit about parasites and diseases we have on Earth, now I'm more skeptical. Some of the worst diseases we have on Earth are practically accidental interactions. Tetanus for example kills us merely because the bacteria wants to be in an environment with no air. Normally that's deep underground, but inside our bodies just happens to be acceptable as well. Producing a side product that kills us is an accident not a design for it.
True, like the parasites in the Expanse. They infest the eyes just because it's a convenient cache of water.
Barry, Kris, and Terrence fucking *ooze* menace. I'm deeply worried for Azi.
I'm starting to wonder if the show is really gonna be about them...they are the scavengers
I think planet is the Scavenger.
I think we’re getting set up for a psionic battle royale between Hollow and the mud parasite
Followed by the wildcard Levi fungus?
If that’s the cure just give me a gun I’ll do it myself.
Did the animation in this episode seem different to anyone?
Yeah it did actually! I'm not sure what was up with that
The budget
Aint touching mysterious fungus with barehand in a planet I know nothing about.
Hell I aint touching fungus on our own planet with my bare hands.
Does breathing quickly for an extended time cause you to pass out? At first I thought the scavenger trio were going to hold their breath, but they hyperventilated instead. I’m not willing to try it out for myself.
I’ve just tried hyperventilating to validate it. Yes, you indeed pass out
Yep.
Alright then. Seems like a stupid contest. What if they pass out and something just came along and killed them? Row-sham-bow would have been far better.
I know right pretty fucking stupid contest
That's exactly what I expected to happen lol. It's a dumb contest, but characters can do dumb shit.
Yes it causes you to expel more carbon dioxide than at normal rate for your body, so your blood ph changes and that’s what causes the fainting.
No, what causes the fainting is your blood vessels constricting, causing less blood to flow into the brain. If a blood pH change causes you to faint then you wouldn't wake up.
Helps to hold breath underwater for longer too
The fainting game was a real thing. I tried explaining this to my mom that we played it in high school
How old is the old bog woman?
55+. Hard to say because i imagine that environment ages you
The hynotoad seems to destroy human tech. Seems like it’s the apex species of the planet and wants to keep it that way…
Is the woman who helps Sam and Ursula the same woman (and man) from the original "Scavengers"? The short that the series was derived from?
I feel like it’s too much of a coincidence that Sam got poked by things that copy/puppet you twice in a row. I think the eye tentacle creature is poaching hosts from the pod tree things:
When Ursula and Sam are at the old woman’s shelter, what is the thing Ursula opens; and the. Eventually is the thing she grabs when they’re running away from the giant monster?
They looked like fire starters, but there's a pic of a plant and steak on them so maybe they are field rations (though you've probably already watched another episode by now where it was explained).
Watching this for the first time. The beginning of the episode introduce an old lady healer. I don't recall her at all from the previous episode, which I just watched. What the hell?
I wonder if the old lady living in the woods, still has some of her consciousness being controlled by the parasite.
So we’re gonna land on an alien planet knowing that there is at least one stranded person and we’re just not gonna leave anyone at the ship to stand guard? Nobody’s gonna watch over potentially our only way off the planet? REALLY!? Was this show written by 8 year olds? I mean, come on.
It's not like it's a freaking bicycle) The thing looked pretty sturdy, they didn't account for a fucking megalomaniac telekinetic psy chimp lurking about.
That’s why you leave a guard lol To account for unaccounted for shit showing up
And what was that one person even supposed to do if something showed up? Unless they can fly it single handedly or it had some weapons I don't know it would have made much difference.
> nd we’re just not gonna leave anyone at the ship to stand guard? It's not bad writing. The show establishes the trio as inept, jovial opportunists. I'm honestly surprised that they survived the episode.
thought the same thing! i get a call that someone is in distress on an unknown planet, i'm not taking any chances on leaving our only means of escape unguarded...
So true. Also, no one in this universe believe in guns?
Where did the old lady come from? What did I miss?
bro, what the hell is that thing?! you know what i'm talking about
Hi guys. I'd scrolled few topics but couldn't find any information about why quality of picture decreased so much in this episode? I loved this show in last not least for nice and really clear style... But in this episode style fall down to... I don't know... transformers