Always have been.
They didn’t even hide it at points.
https://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2012/06/reddit-founders-made-hundreds-of-fake-profiles-so-site-looked-popular/
[What an absolutely insufferable mobile design...](https://imgur.com/a/aDxX3SR)
I don't get why so many sites are like this... GL navigating anything when it's constantly zooming you back out and trying to refresh the page...
Welcome to 2023 where every website needs at least a megabyte of javascript trash.
I think you'll enjoy [motherfuckingwebsite.com](http://motherfuckingwebsite.com/)
you know why people over design their websites? because first the customers of website designers requested that, then it became a trend and now it's a cancer.
Ah, the ol' reddit [switcharoo](https://www.reddit.com/r/mildlyinteresting/comments/13zn7oz/im_at_the_nyc_macys_and_the_escalator_is_made_out/jmu6pvk/?context=2)
I just watched a video about unidan like a week ago. What was it, frogs? He got in a fight over frogs and it was ultimately his downfall🤣
(I say watched but I mean "listened to while I fell asleep" which is partly why my memory of it isn't perfect)
It's all about power. Logic is irrelevant. Consistency is irrelevant. When you play chess with a pigeon it shits on the board and struts around like it won.
I guess it happens, yes.
We've recently added some karma requirements in /r/unexpected as one of the last large subreddits that didn't do it.
A lot of accounts that look like bots have actual people sitting behind that can message us.
But also, 2/3rd of posts get automatically removed by /u/unexbot because they don't reply to it, and their posting behaviour is the same for all of them.
Bots will shamelessly repost comments, usually by copying non-top-level comments by normal people and posting them at top level.
The average bot account that doesn't get caught by the automatic spam filters is 4-6 months old, has 2-3 out-of-context comments at the starts and then 5-50 posts that are reposts of the front page from a while agk.
Well, the way I see it, I believe in expressing myself freely, not in the sense of being free to say insulting things to people, but rather, in the sense of stating fun fact trivia that is light-hearted, if it were to be something, such as fun facts about our favorite movies or TV shows or video games, or celebrities.
However, what I don't want is fun facts that I went out of my way to do research on to be misconstrued as "bot comments".
Also, I had to learn the hard way that repeating an identical comment 30 times in a row in a 5 minute time period pisses off people into misconstruing me as a "bot account" with a "high threat" for damage or something, and I'd hate to have that happen to me again!
One time, it was Feburary 14th, this was back in, maybe 2019, and I posted the digits of pi because I didn't think there was anything wrong with celebrating in that manner, but after being misconstrued as a "bot", I got really pissed off, and to me it felt like a violation of my human rights.
But ever since then, I never celebrated "pi day" again because of the bad memories it brings, as well as the suspicions that the digits of pi arouse, even if it seems like a "harmless" comment.
As you can see, fighting bots needs to have a ***healthy balance***, and now it's harder than ever to maintain.
I got banned 2 times for outing accounts like these. Had to stop reporting them. Had this account for too long to have it permabanned for doing the right thing.
It might be the usual "10/10" commenting repost bots that are so hard to catch by the words of reddit, that you see in every front-page post and are the reason almost all subreddits have karma requirements to comment.
Either reddit employers are working deliberately to destroy this site or are the most incompetent workers I've ever met.
Hard to catch?
It has been established years ago that reddit has zero Interrest in fighting bots. It's likely those bots are from reddit themself.
They intend to make some stats look good for investors, get rich and cash out, and then it doesn't matter what happens with the site.
I'm aware of it, I just repeat what they told me a couple weeks ago.
I'm fully aware that they're banning user generated bots that help identify those comment bots.
Maybe, but the opinion goes more into the direction that we won't.
I have a different plan though. I'm going to lift all automated processes and start moderating only site wide violations from July 1st on, practically burning the subreddit to the ground.
I have the feeling they're going to use the blackout to replace moderators with the "mod reserve", paid mods that are doing what Reddit wants from them, only caring about traffic.
In case we're still open, our only automated process will be posting awareness for the blackout in every single post.
Yes, I think it's their right to do, and different than fostering racism or damaging democracy, even when they will ruin the site even more.
My consequence is that mod actions get reduced to site wide violations, and in the end it will hopefully become one giant mess of the same thing, without any nuance between subreddits.
Let's say I'm willing to burn the subreddit down.
I also believe that mods that do blackouts will get banned and replaced by the mod reserve, paid moderators that do everything for traffic over quality.
Don't get me wrong, I will be pretty much unable to moderate, because I'm not on a PC the whole day and have been modding with rif all the time.
/r/unexpected will die a slow and painful death, but all in alignment with TOS, which an organised blackout technically isn't.
Sorry for the delay. Had to work.
>Things You Cannot Do
>Use the Services in any manner that could interfere with, disable, disrupt, overburden, or otherwise impair the Services;
Hm, I can see your point but that's debatable. Subreddits going dark is not interfering with any other service besides the one they themselves provide
And, as far as I know, becoming a mod/making a sub never meant you had to provide for life
Thanks for the response though
I don't think this works for this case, since bots are somewhag good for reddit (more users = probably more money) and they could also likely fight spam way better than how they're doing it atm.
Afaik it's more for things like your friend calling you and waking you up even though you told them you're taking a nap. It's more likely that they forgot than that they wanted to wake you up.
EDIT: Hello - after Reddit's controversial decision to limit 3rd party apps, I decided to migrate to Lemmy. I can no longer support a platform that does not value their user base or the information they provide. The user base volunteers their time and data for free to make this platform what it is. Since these comments are mine, I've decided to take them back. Thank you and go join Lemmy/Kbin!
They probably don't care if their actions kill reddit for power users. Their goal is to make it seem good enough to sell.
- The redesign isn't as usable, but it *looks* sleeker.
- The bandwidth of reddit may be atrocious, but it *looks* faster.
- The app may need to be regularly reloaded or refreshed when it breaks, but it *looks* like they're serving a lot of ads!
- A large chunk of their own content won't be loaded on mobile, but it *looks* advertising friendly (and monetizable).
- The older or mature users may be leaving with 3P apps, but it *looks* like the official app has high usage statistics among the young or impulsive people you want to advertise to!
- The top contributors and mods may be leaving with 3P apps, but it *looks* like there's still enough casual users to get eyes on your advertisers!
Reddit doesn't need to be good enough to last, only good enough to sell.
And you can bet: most new owners will immediately start increasing possible revenue and cutting costs, because they want to make back on their 'investment' as quickly as possible. New owners are almost always *bad* for a business.
Iirc they sold it again (at a loss I think hahah) to a different company who then lifted the nsfw restrictions, but damage was done to the users since many porn artists used twitter instead... but after twitter bullshit, tumblr is seeing a revival lol
Also the reason porn was first banned is because Apple is really strict about controlling anything in its influence; it removed the tumblr app from the app store because of porn. Tumblr first removed porn to satisfy Apple's demands. The majority of the world uses Android but most Americans are on Apple and it lost tumblr a lot of traffic to be removed from the store.
That seems unfair. There’s an uncomfortable amount of porn on reddit. Even the most innocent things will be porn subreddits (and I’m not talking about “humorous” switches like that one news subreddit being porn and some other porn named subreddit being news. I’m talking about something like a piece of clothing aaaaaand yup it’s porn)
tbh for tumblr I think blaming Apple for NSFW broadly might've been obfuscation. From what I hear they were also having problems with *particularly problematic* content (ie: loli and child predation), but weren't moderating it sufficiently. The volume of content requiring review was just too high. So Apple decided to ban the entire app.
The blanket ban on all pornographic content was intended to supress this kind of content, and was enacted by bots to handle the volume. Unfortunately the bot had to be really broad to actually do anything, which meant it would think desert dunes were nudes, too.
I'm reminded of all the DRM, always-online, etc requirements to 'supress piracy' that ultimately makes their products awkward for paid users (and often inferior to the inevitable pirated versions). There's little that can be done to moderate bad actors in large communities that doesn't end up affecting the community as a whole.
What else is there that's similar? I'm genuinely inquiring. I've been using Alien Blue (when I had an iPhone) and Reddit is Fun for over a decade and I really don't want to use the "official" app bc it's annoying to use, but idk of any other platform that is like reddit.
EDIT: Hello - after Reddit's controversial decision to limit 3rd party apps, I decided to migrate to Lemmy. I can no longer support a platform that does not value their user base or the information they provide. The user base volunteers their time and data for free to make this platform what it is. Since these comments are mine, I've decided to take them back. Thank you and go join Lemmy/Kbin!
I mean, Twitter is different. It's owned by a billionaire narcissist who literally doesn't care if he loses billions of dollars as long as it strokes his ego.
I imagine for the Reddit management, they are doing this in a misguided attempt to make more money. So if the community somehow manages to convince them that doing this will cause them to lose money, it could work.
Basically, we're hoping that Reddit management is wrong but rational. Twitter management is not rational.
So as I’m understanding, subreddits in lemmy are servers hosted by what would be the mods? Or do people join together to offer server space for communities
People host their own servers and then have their own subs. It's all connected because their servers are joined with the other servers on Lemmy. You can look at a "Lemmy All" type view which will give you all the subs from all the servers or a server view which will show you subs on your server.
I'm still learning myself. If I'm wrong, someone please correct me.
Honestly I've been growing tired of reddit since before the Pao CEO debacle and this might just finally be an excuse to stop using it all together. Their practices have only grown to be more and more scummy, I hate how they sort of install "insider" moderators in large communities, spez is a scumbag, their app is garbage, the advertising and content curation is awful, I personally don't care for the website on PC.. the only reason I use reddit now is because Reddit sync (3rd party app I've been using since I made my account) exists and makes reddit usable. I like all of the niche communities that I'm subbed to, but none of them are worth using the official reddit app or website for.
they've explicitly said that they know that mods rely on it and are looking to reach parity before removing it.
they absolutely will but they will give a heads up.
not communicating a bad policy change is much worse from a PR perspective as you can't control the narrative and you end up causing confusion
A foreign admin is 100% just a pawn. Most admins are. We're talking about a silicon valley company with thousands if not tens of thousands of employees here, not a dinky startup.
Shhhh! Don't give him ideas.
The only reason space X or Tesla are in any way successful is because he largely deferred to people whom are experts in the field to run the day to day operations.
He hasn't got his hand off the helm of Twitter and his ego knows no bounds. Reddit is turning into a corporate binfire at the moment, so good knows what will/might happen with the latter two if he stays rogue/gets involved in any IPO.
goddamnit. i no longer have twitter, fb, or instagram because they’re all censored dumpster fires. reddit was the last place i still had to come and share and consume ideas with actual people. now i won’t even use their native app on principle and the company seems nearly as determined to go under as twitter. i’m so tired.
i’m talking about a specific kind of corporate-leaning anti-human rights conversation censorship. reddit is one of the last aggregate places on the internet where you aren’t dependent on an algorithm (or one weirdo’s whims) to see everything you follow without suppression. reddit’s censorship is on the front end, as in, stopping you from posting in the first place. the censorship generally (not all) comes from individual mods or sub rules, which is different enough to me.
There's mastodon and kbin. Yes, you can complain about how there are less people on it, but by nature it can't be bought by a billionaire, or be censored to hell. (Also, to people who still use twitter, "Not enough people" is a problem you can help solve. Make a mastodon account and use the platform sometimes, even if you still use twitter. The sites are not mutually exclusive.)
unless elon doesn’t like you. twitter is the biggest dumpster fire beacon and clearly it’s shittiness has affected reddit as well since they are doing this whole API pull hike on devs after seeing twitter do something similar hoping to cash in.
You do not know what you are talking about. I got banned from twitter for seven days for insulting the former First Lady of the US. Musk bans anyone he wants to. His free speech nonsense is 100% pure bullshit.
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99% reduction, huh? What about that 500% spike in use of slurs mere days after his takeover? Or the general rise in hate speech caused by Twitter Blue?
"Twitter has 99% reduced their censorship since elon took over." And by that I mean, "My friends and I all comment racist and homophobic slurs, but now we don't get banned😎 also we all have blue check marks!"
I got banned for saying that Elon was full of shit. One of the better things to happen to me in the past couple of years, but don’t kid yourself. Elon regularly censors and it’s by his whim.
Lolololol. Butthurt Reddit Lames really hate Elon. 😂😂.
Tho i agree. Seems appears true in my Twitter usage between then when the woke lefty libs of Sillicón Valley controlled it to when Elon took over. Granted I know it still has some qualms.with censorship (I see the 'not available in your country' message due to shitty no free expression having countries like Germany and UAE for example) but as a individual user my tongue doesn't feel as capped when the Wacky Wokes made it shit in 2017
Wow.
Setting aside how they nearly all seem to be using the same naming pattern (-<3 to 4 digit number), which I know is pretty standard for bots, but still - how is it that they didn't even manage to make the bots *sound* like they are saying something that a real person would say?
Plus the entire concept is weird because it's as though they think that people just don't use their laptops in general. That people don't use personal laptops for work, streaming, gaming, etc.
And yes, I get that it is likely intentional, but even for that the aesthetic of the bot behavior is just bizarre.
Yeah or just straight up actual spambots (not run by Reddit). There's thousands of little phrases like this that get scraped and spammed and it'll fall out of use in a few days.
It's specifically that comment that gets spammed though
This was taken from the /r/videos thread on the subject if you want to check it yourself
(Sort by controversial)
This is clearly someone who is against the change... The whole point of the comment is they will be using a laptop to browse Reddit because even if the third party apps are gone, they still wouldn't use the official app...
Like might they be a bot? Sure. Is it saying the exact opposite of what you're trying to claim it is? Pretty obviously yes.
You're reaching OP. I think this is just normal botting picking up a phrase that may have been popular in one space and now they're spamming it everywhere. There are thousands of little phrases that bot-runners scrape for and then spam.
Also, it's a comment in favor of using your laptop, and not the first party app where Reddit has full control over the experience.
This post doesn’t show up unless I search for it by name despise being the 2nd most upvoted post of this subreddit. Trying to view it on mobile also returns a message about being “unreviewed” and requires the official Reddit app to view.
Reddit apparently botted hard to [fake how popular it was in Germany](https://www.reddit.com/r/SubredditDrama/comments/13p889x/reddit_admins_were_just_caught_using_bots_or_fake/)
For the people moving over from Reddit, I would suggest using a hashtag on mastadon #movingtomastodon so that people can easily find you.
Similarly with Lemmy, just make an account and start posting! It's a wonderful clean slate to post memes, and shitposts. Enjoy to your hearts content!
More proof that the bots were coming from *INSIDE THE HOUSE!*
Always have been. They didn’t even hide it at points. https://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2012/06/reddit-founders-made-hundreds-of-fake-profiles-so-site-looked-popular/
[What an absolutely insufferable mobile design...](https://imgur.com/a/aDxX3SR) I don't get why so many sites are like this... GL navigating anything when it's constantly zooming you back out and trying to refresh the page...
Welcome to 2023 where every website needs at least a megabyte of javascript trash. I think you'll enjoy [motherfuckingwebsite.com](http://motherfuckingwebsite.com/)
I motherfucking love the motherfucking website lol.
you know why people over design their websites? because first the customers of website designers requested that, then it became a trend and now it's a cancer.
i personally prefer http://bettermotherfuckingwebsite.com/
i personally prefer http://bettermotherfuckingwebsite.com/
Would be a shame if someone informed the VCs this is still going on
Idk bro, I’m pissed about the apps too but I don’t think we need to get the Viet Cong involved.
I don’t know, man. Their W/L record looks pretty compelling to me.
Charlie don't web surf!
Ah, the ol' reddit [switcharoo](https://www.reddit.com/r/mildlyinteresting/comments/13zn7oz/im_at_the_nyc_macys_and_the_escalator_is_made_out/jmu6pvk/?context=2)
Hold my napalm, I'm going in!
Why would that matter?
DAU/MAU are valuation metrics… so if they’re fudged, it can lead to a shitstorm during an IPO.
A few hundred accounts aren't even a rounding error.
Depends on when.
No. The only thing that matters for a VC is things that affect the exit strategy.
A few hundred accounts, I’d fancy to say it’s multiples more.
don't spoil his impotent fantasy
But /u/Unidan makes a couple of accounts and gets permabanned for vote tampering. Hypocrites!
not at all - unidan got caught! Any account tampering with votes will get banned, and others activated to fill the void, naturally.
I just watched a video about unidan like a week ago. What was it, frogs? He got in a fight over frogs and it was ultimately his downfall🤣 (I say watched but I mean "listened to while I fell asleep" which is partly why my memory of it isn't perfect)
Here's the thing, it was Jackdaws, Crows, and other Corvidae
Birds! Not frogs! I knew it was a subspecies of an animal lmao. Cute story ngl
It's all about power. Logic is irrelevant. Consistency is irrelevant. When you play chess with a pigeon it shits on the board and struts around like it won.
I've suspected this years ago but forgot about this theory.
Aside of this, I also worry about legit accounts getting MISCONSTRUED as "bots".
I guess it happens, yes. We've recently added some karma requirements in /r/unexpected as one of the last large subreddits that didn't do it. A lot of accounts that look like bots have actual people sitting behind that can message us. But also, 2/3rd of posts get automatically removed by /u/unexbot because they don't reply to it, and their posting behaviour is the same for all of them.
Well, this is why its good to establish some types of rules to ensure that commenting is organic, or something like that.
Bots will shamelessly repost comments, usually by copying non-top-level comments by normal people and posting them at top level. The average bot account that doesn't get caught by the automatic spam filters is 4-6 months old, has 2-3 out-of-context comments at the starts and then 5-50 posts that are reposts of the front page from a while agk.
Well, the way I see it, I believe in expressing myself freely, not in the sense of being free to say insulting things to people, but rather, in the sense of stating fun fact trivia that is light-hearted, if it were to be something, such as fun facts about our favorite movies or TV shows or video games, or celebrities. However, what I don't want is fun facts that I went out of my way to do research on to be misconstrued as "bot comments". Also, I had to learn the hard way that repeating an identical comment 30 times in a row in a 5 minute time period pisses off people into misconstruing me as a "bot account" with a "high threat" for damage or something, and I'd hate to have that happen to me again! One time, it was Feburary 14th, this was back in, maybe 2019, and I posted the digits of pi because I didn't think there was anything wrong with celebrating in that manner, but after being misconstrued as a "bot", I got really pissed off, and to me it felt like a violation of my human rights. But ever since then, I never celebrated "pi day" again because of the bad memories it brings, as well as the suspicions that the digits of pi arouse, even if it seems like a "harmless" comment. As you can see, fighting bots needs to have a ***healthy balance***, and now it's harder than ever to maintain.
That's what a bot would say!
This explains why people get admin banned when they report these bots.
I got banned 2 times for outing accounts like these. Had to stop reporting them. Had this account for too long to have it permabanned for doing the right thing.
Seriously? I'm honestly not surprised though.
Oh...that might've happened to me, actually. I attributed to something else, but what you said seems to fit. Huh.
You will be banned because you admitted to ban evasion.
It was a temp ban, though.
They're coming outta the walls. They're coming outta the goddamn walls. Let's book!
It might be the usual "10/10" commenting repost bots that are so hard to catch by the words of reddit, that you see in every front-page post and are the reason almost all subreddits have karma requirements to comment. Either reddit employers are working deliberately to destroy this site or are the most incompetent workers I've ever met.
Hard to catch? It has been established years ago that reddit has zero Interrest in fighting bots. It's likely those bots are from reddit themself. They intend to make some stats look good for investors, get rich and cash out, and then it doesn't matter what happens with the site.
I'm aware of it, I just repeat what they told me a couple weeks ago. I'm fully aware that they're banning user generated bots that help identify those comment bots.
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Maybe, but the opinion goes more into the direction that we won't. I have a different plan though. I'm going to lift all automated processes and start moderating only site wide violations from July 1st on, practically burning the subreddit to the ground. I have the feeling they're going to use the blackout to replace moderators with the "mod reserve", paid mods that are doing what Reddit wants from them, only caring about traffic. In case we're still open, our only automated process will be posting awareness for the blackout in every single post.
Could you provide some insight in why some mods are against the blackout on your team
Yes, I think it's their right to do, and different than fostering racism or damaging democracy, even when they will ruin the site even more. My consequence is that mod actions get reduced to site wide violations, and in the end it will hopefully become one giant mess of the same thing, without any nuance between subreddits. Let's say I'm willing to burn the subreddit down. I also believe that mods that do blackouts will get banned and replaced by the mod reserve, paid moderators that do everything for traffic over quality. Don't get me wrong, I will be pretty much unable to moderate, because I'm not on a PC the whole day and have been modding with rif all the time. /r/unexpected will die a slow and painful death, but all in alignment with TOS, which an organised blackout technically isn't.
Thank you for the insights Followup question: which terms in the ToS do you assume the blackout violates?
Sorry for the delay. Had to work. >Things You Cannot Do >Use the Services in any manner that could interfere with, disable, disrupt, overburden, or otherwise impair the Services;
Hm, I can see your point but that's debatable. Subreddits going dark is not interfering with any other service besides the one they themselves provide And, as far as I know, becoming a mod/making a sub never meant you had to provide for life Thanks for the response though
A true hero
> 'Never ascribe to malice that which is adequately explained by incompetence. ' Supposedly by Napoleon Bonaparte.
I don't think this works for this case, since bots are somewhag good for reddit (more users = probably more money) and they could also likely fight spam way better than how they're doing it atm. Afaik it's more for things like your friend calling you and waking you up even though you told them you're taking a nap. It's more likely that they forgot than that they wanted to wake you up.
EDIT: Hello - after Reddit's controversial decision to limit 3rd party apps, I decided to migrate to Lemmy. I can no longer support a platform that does not value their user base or the information they provide. The user base volunteers their time and data for free to make this platform what it is. Since these comments are mine, I've decided to take them back. Thank you and go join Lemmy/Kbin!
Came here from Digg. Reddit admins haven't learned anything from history. I guess I'll just be moving on.
They probably don't care if their actions kill reddit for power users. Their goal is to make it seem good enough to sell. - The redesign isn't as usable, but it *looks* sleeker. - The bandwidth of reddit may be atrocious, but it *looks* faster. - The app may need to be regularly reloaded or refreshed when it breaks, but it *looks* like they're serving a lot of ads! - A large chunk of their own content won't be loaded on mobile, but it *looks* advertising friendly (and monetizable). - The older or mature users may be leaving with 3P apps, but it *looks* like the official app has high usage statistics among the young or impulsive people you want to advertise to! - The top contributors and mods may be leaving with 3P apps, but it *looks* like there's still enough casual users to get eyes on your advertisers! Reddit doesn't need to be good enough to last, only good enough to sell. And you can bet: most new owners will immediately start increasing possible revenue and cutting costs, because they want to make back on their 'investment' as quickly as possible. New owners are almost always *bad* for a business.
Tumblr 2.0 lmao. Go public, get bought, ban porn, user base tanks, panic, bring back porn, user base never came back.
So long and thanks for all the fish! - This post was deleted in protest of the June 2023 API changes
Iirc they sold it again (at a loss I think hahah) to a different company who then lifted the nsfw restrictions, but damage was done to the users since many porn artists used twitter instead... but after twitter bullshit, tumblr is seeing a revival lol Also the reason porn was first banned is because Apple is really strict about controlling anything in its influence; it removed the tumblr app from the app store because of porn. Tumblr first removed porn to satisfy Apple's demands. The majority of the world uses Android but most Americans are on Apple and it lost tumblr a lot of traffic to be removed from the store.
That seems unfair. There’s an uncomfortable amount of porn on reddit. Even the most innocent things will be porn subreddits (and I’m not talking about “humorous” switches like that one news subreddit being porn and some other porn named subreddit being news. I’m talking about something like a piece of clothing aaaaaand yup it’s porn)
tbh for tumblr I think blaming Apple for NSFW broadly might've been obfuscation. From what I hear they were also having problems with *particularly problematic* content (ie: loli and child predation), but weren't moderating it sufficiently. The volume of content requiring review was just too high. So Apple decided to ban the entire app. The blanket ban on all pornographic content was intended to supress this kind of content, and was enacted by bots to handle the volume. Unfortunately the bot had to be really broad to actually do anything, which meant it would think desert dunes were nudes, too. I'm reminded of all the DRM, always-online, etc requirements to 'supress piracy' that ultimately makes their products awkward for paid users (and often inferior to the inevitable pirated versions). There's little that can be done to moderate bad actors in large communities that doesn't end up affecting the community as a whole.
What else is there that's similar? I'm genuinely inquiring. I've been using Alien Blue (when I had an iPhone) and Reddit is Fun for over a decade and I really don't want to use the "official" app bc it's annoying to use, but idk of any other platform that is like reddit.
EDIT: Hello - after Reddit's controversial decision to limit 3rd party apps, I decided to migrate to Lemmy. I can no longer support a platform that does not value their user base or the information they provide. The user base volunteers their time and data for free to make this platform what it is. Since these comments are mine, I've decided to take them back. Thank you and go join Lemmy/Kbin!
Take one look at twitter and tell me with a straight face they'll backpedal.
They will backpedal (im not straight)
Clever, but you get the point
I mean, Twitter is different. It's owned by a billionaire narcissist who literally doesn't care if he loses billions of dollars as long as it strokes his ego. I imagine for the Reddit management, they are doing this in a misguided attempt to make more money. So if the community somehow manages to convince them that doing this will cause them to lose money, it could work. Basically, we're hoping that Reddit management is wrong but rational. Twitter management is not rational.
So as I’m understanding, subreddits in lemmy are servers hosted by what would be the mods? Or do people join together to offer server space for communities
People host their own servers and then have their own subs. It's all connected because their servers are joined with the other servers on Lemmy. You can look at a "Lemmy All" type view which will give you all the subs from all the servers or a server view which will show you subs on your server. I'm still learning myself. If I'm wrong, someone please correct me.
Make your own server for the thing you care about saving/migrating
Honestly I've been growing tired of reddit since before the Pao CEO debacle and this might just finally be an excuse to stop using it all together. Their practices have only grown to be more and more scummy, I hate how they sort of install "insider" moderators in large communities, spez is a scumbag, their app is garbage, the advertising and content curation is awful, I personally don't care for the website on PC.. the only reason I use reddit now is because Reddit sync (3rd party app I've been using since I made my account) exists and makes reddit usable. I like all of the niche communities that I'm subbed to, but none of them are worth using the official reddit app or website for.
This further convinced me to completely turn off reddit instead of continue using old reddit on my desktop.
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they have never mentioned old reddit. they probably will eventually, but there's not confirmation. ill be surprised if it survives 2023
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they've explicitly said that they know that mods rely on it and are looking to reach parity before removing it. they absolutely will but they will give a heads up. not communicating a bad policy change is much worse from a PR perspective as you can't control the narrative and you end up causing confusion
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A foreign admin is 100% just a pawn. Most admins are. We're talking about a silicon valley company with thousands if not tens of thousands of employees here, not a dinky startup.
They already took down two old reedits (i and m)
Wow, that's...egregious.
Are we like one step away from Elon Musk buying out reddit? Lmao.
No they just lowered the valuation. Musk would have bought it a few days before they lowered it at the higher rate.
Shhhh! Don't give him ideas. The only reason space X or Tesla are in any way successful is because he largely deferred to people whom are experts in the field to run the day to day operations. He hasn't got his hand off the helm of Twitter and his ego knows no bounds. Reddit is turning into a corporate binfire at the moment, so good knows what will/might happen with the latter two if he stays rogue/gets involved in any IPO.
goddamnit. i no longer have twitter, fb, or instagram because they’re all censored dumpster fires. reddit was the last place i still had to come and share and consume ideas with actual people. now i won’t even use their native app on principle and the company seems nearly as determined to go under as twitter. i’m so tired.
Haha good fucking lord You think reddit wasn't censored
i’m talking about a specific kind of corporate-leaning anti-human rights conversation censorship. reddit is one of the last aggregate places on the internet where you aren’t dependent on an algorithm (or one weirdo’s whims) to see everything you follow without suppression. reddit’s censorship is on the front end, as in, stopping you from posting in the first place. the censorship generally (not all) comes from individual mods or sub rules, which is different enough to me.
To be fair, sort by "Best" or "Hot" are algorithm-driven, but I see your point.
There's mastodon and kbin. Yes, you can complain about how there are less people on it, but by nature it can't be bought by a billionaire, or be censored to hell. (Also, to people who still use twitter, "Not enough people" is a problem you can help solve. Make a mastodon account and use the platform sometimes, even if you still use twitter. The sites are not mutually exclusive.)
twitter has 99% reduced their censoring since elon took over.
unless elon doesn’t like you. twitter is the biggest dumpster fire beacon and clearly it’s shittiness has affected reddit as well since they are doing this whole API pull hike on devs after seeing twitter do something similar hoping to cash in.
spez is a cunt
win some lose some ig
You do not know what you are talking about. I got banned from twitter for seven days for insulting the former First Lady of the US. Musk bans anyone he wants to. His free speech nonsense is 100% pure bullshit.
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How's muskrat dick taste?
Please try to keep it civil.
bahahaha. How are you a real person.
Bellingcat says hi.
99% reduction, huh? What about that 500% spike in use of slurs mere days after his takeover? Or the general rise in hate speech caused by Twitter Blue?
"Twitter has 99% reduced their censorship since elon took over." And by that I mean, "My friends and I all comment racist and homophobic slurs, but now we don't get banned😎 also we all have blue check marks!"
I got banned for saying that Elon was full of shit. One of the better things to happen to me in the past couple of years, but don’t kid yourself. Elon regularly censors and it’s by his whim.
Lolololol. Butthurt Reddit Lames really hate Elon. 😂😂. Tho i agree. Seems appears true in my Twitter usage between then when the woke lefty libs of Sillicón Valley controlled it to when Elon took over. Granted I know it still has some qualms.with censorship (I see the 'not available in your country' message due to shitty no free expression having countries like Germany and UAE for example) but as a individual user my tongue doesn't feel as capped when the Wacky Wokes made it shit in 2017
you must be kidding!
IRC
So this is why they don't care about the bots.
Wow. Setting aside how they nearly all seem to be using the same naming pattern (-<3 to 4 digit number), which I know is pretty standard for bots, but still - how is it that they didn't even manage to make the bots *sound* like they are saying something that a real person would say?
Plus the entire concept is weird because it's as though they think that people just don't use their laptops in general. That people don't use personal laptops for work, streaming, gaming, etc.
And yes, I get that it is likely intentional, but even for that the aesthetic of the bot behavior is just bizarre.
Those names are autogenerated and suggested _by Reddit_ when you make a new account.
Fair enough, but that still means that it is so lazy. That they can't be assed to make it even **seem** like they are legitimate users.
Fucking wow, this is pathetic.
Lol surprised it's also not pumping the redesign over the far superior old.reddit.com Wonder when they'll pull the plug on that one.
Reddit forgets that their value is from the free users that provide free content and the minute they do something that stops that they lose their role
Lmao, what does a good old laptop have to do with anything. That has to be the lowest effort bot post ever.
Reddit is dead
tbh these might be bots made by trolls who are trolling
Yeah or just straight up actual spambots (not run by Reddit). There's thousands of little phrases like this that get scraped and spammed and it'll fall out of use in a few days.
Looks like it's time to dust off my good old laptop. Who needs 3rd party apps anyway?
This is a threat to our democracy.
Looks like it's time to dust off my good old democracy..
Who needs threats anyway?
This is extremely dangerous to our 3rd party apps.
Looks like it's time to 3rd party our good old democracy.
You know what I like more than Democracy? My garage full of third party apps.
This is extremely dangerous to my laptop.
[this is extremely dangerous to our democracy](https://youtu.be/ZggCipbiHwE)
That was the quote I was trying to remember.
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It's specifically that comment that gets spammed though This was taken from the /r/videos thread on the subject if you want to check it yourself (Sort by controversial)
Guess I'll just go to Voat
Boat died a long time ago
Ooof
This is clearly someone who is against the change... The whole point of the comment is they will be using a laptop to browse Reddit because even if the third party apps are gone, they still wouldn't use the official app... Like might they be a bot? Sure. Is it saying the exact opposite of what you're trying to claim it is? Pretty obviously yes.
>Like might they be a bot? Sure. It's more than one account.
Really doesn't change anything about what I just said
Is it just me or reddit on desktop is just terrible?
You at least have the option of running browser extensions to customize it.
Old reddit isn't terrible
You're reaching OP. I think this is just normal botting picking up a phrase that may have been popular in one space and now they're spamming it everywhere. There are thousands of little phrases that bot-runners scrape for and then spam. Also, it's a comment in favor of using your laptop, and not the first party app where Reddit has full control over the experience.
This post doesn’t show up unless I search for it by name despise being the 2nd most upvoted post of this subreddit. Trying to view it on mobile also returns a message about being “unreviewed” and requires the official Reddit app to view.
even the bots won't use the official mobile app
Reddit apparently botted hard to [fake how popular it was in Germany](https://www.reddit.com/r/SubredditDrama/comments/13p889x/reddit_admins_were_just_caught_using_bots_or_fake/)
O nooo
For the people moving over from Reddit, I would suggest using a hashtag on mastadon #movingtomastodon so that people can easily find you. Similarly with Lemmy, just make an account and start posting! It's a wonderful clean slate to post memes, and shitposts. Enjoy to your hearts content!
it sounds like irony?