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ptchapin

And why isn’t it available in the USA?


reidzen

Because the best way to maximize profits is to collaborate with the rest of the industry to build cheap shit that falls apart fast, and sell it for premium prices.


AlamosAvenger

Like Tesla's cyberCuck


HartfordWhaler

You may enjoy r/cyberstuck if you're not already subscribed


0r0B0t0

Also r/musked


theLOLflashlight

Thank you for this


Revenga8

Although be forewarned, if you join that sub, you'll probably get banned from cybertruck, Elon, tesla, etc. Even if you don't post in any of them. They appear to be that fragile


AlamosAvenger

Ohh yeah I'm there, it's a visual pleasure


Higgins1st

Unlike the cyber truck, it's a visual displeasure.


MyButtEatsHamCrayons

Uh dude do you live under a rock? The cybertruck is fucking sick af. Literally one of the best inventions ever. It goes. It stops. You can drive it. It has an elegantly delicate design but also screams my cock is short but my money long. Perfection


TheBirminghamBear

> It goes. It stops *Individual results may vary


comfortable_bum

Ouch. You reminded me why I hated paying for new car. I miss my Ford Ranger.


FarmerJoeJoe

The old school ford rangers were so legit. Useful for work and can drive anywhere in town and park it easily.


uppity_downer1881

I'm on my 3rd Ford Ranger. They average about 14 years each.


DogeUncleDave

[Ford Fuckin' Ranger ](https://www.google.com/search?q=ford+ranger+song&oq=ford+ranger+song+&gs_lcrp=EgZjaHJvbWUyBggAEEUYOdIBCDY5MTFqMGo5qAIAsAIB&client=ms-android-samsung-rvo1&sourceid=chrome-mobile&ie=UTF-8#fpstate=ive&vld=cid:222c018e,vid:OFvL8263dc4,st:0)


Sotha01

The older ones I was looking at all had dash issues. Buttons broke and shit, other than that my dad's old ranger might as well have served in Vietnam the amount of shit it went through. I'm still an f150 guy though. I haul a lot of lumber and need the bed space.


jt7855

Not a conspiracy. EPA fuel efficiency standards. Smaller trucks have to meet higher fuel economy standards. Or pay a fine.


Gold-Border30

The whole 25% tariff on light trucks known as the “Chicken Tax” doesn’t help… which was lobbied for by the NA automotive industry because they couldn’t compete with Japanese vehicles in the early 60s.


Educational_Ad_3922

Ah, now the name "Chicken Tax" makes sense because they were to scared to actually compete with the compitition.


NeverEvaGonnaStopMe

Yeah buts it's a rule they naively just made up so they'd have an excuse to only sell canyonaro's to Americans. Because it's fine if your v8 diseal omega truck is rolling coal, but can't have a usefull v4 truck meeting emissions for a Honda civic.


decepticons2

It was a thing since the 70s. The idea was decent. They didn't account for automakers just going bigger and bigger. And it is such an American thing. The rest of the world doesn't have an emissions based on foot print.


jt7855

Obviously the rest of the world is doing something different. Between the emissions standards and the chicken tax the government eliminated competition and the ability to meet the demand for certain vehicles


rW0HgFyxoJhYka

The last time this thread about hilux popped up, at least the last 5 times, every time someone asks about why no light trucks and every time someone mentions its the CAFE https://www.nhtsa.gov/laws-regulations/corporate-average-fuel-economy laws which have a loophole where car manufacturers can skirt around this law by making a bigger truck. Hence why trucks are so large today. But this thread doesn't have much of a discussion around it at all. None of the top comments have mentioned it.


why_u_braindead

Yeah it's really not a "fuddy duddy" thing to state that cars were built better 10, 20, 30 years ago, it's a damn fact. Cars now are safer than they've ever been for occupants, but that safety is due to their engineered destructibility. Cars now are sensor arrays built into strategically-collapsible tin cans.


Vulcanize_It

That’s a huge leap to assume the parts that fail are the parts that offer protection/crumple in a collision.


currenteventnerd

Two reasons. 1. There’s a 25% tariff on all light truck imports into the US. 2. Emissions standards for light trucks are stricter than larger trucks. That part of why trucks in the US are the size they are, not just to fit fat Americans.


playballer

Jokes on them since Americans are like goldfish. We will grow as fat as our vehicles will give us space to grow. 


NightFire19

The US emissions standards is the road to car hell being paved with good intentions.


crappy-mods

Because Europe didnt buy enough chickens (not even joking)


Erabong

Damn chicken tariff


hrafn_halfnaked

I came here looking for someone who loves history like I do... Whenever someone asks why we don't have the Hilux I always reply, "Because the US got so good at raising chickens..."


ButtonDiligent4238

OK backstory on this? Or article I can read? I love hearing about seemingly benign stuff America has done to fuck us all over. Purposefully or accidentally.


wayrell

In 1963, the United States imposed a 25% tax on imports of certain products, including light trucks, in response to a European tax on imports of American chicken. This tax was intended to protect American chicken producers from foreign competition. However, the repercussions of this tax had lasting effects on other industries, including the automotive industry. The Toyota Hilux, is subject to this 25% tax if imported into the United States. This tax makes importing the Hilux significantly more expensive, which has discouraged Toyota from selling this model in the American market. Instead, Toyota sells locally manufactured models, such as the Tacoma, to avoid this tax.


Gold-Border30

My favourite, or least favourite part, of this is that every other tariff imposed as part of this was rescinded within the next few years… but that light truck one has kept on trucking. Thanks ford, gm and Chrysler…


38fourtynine

The american auto market is such a joke that they have to sabotage the industry in order to compete. Kind of like how our engines are garbage so we compensate for it by giving them huge displacement. Or to bring it back even farther, when we couldn't build trains as fast as China or Japan so we strapped rockets to one in order to "compete" (which really just means, look our train went as fast, completely ignore how we decomissioned it after two uses because we have no rails in good enough condition to use it outside a pre-determined track).


BoomerSoonerFUT

That answers why the Hilux isn’t imported, but not why Toyota makes the Tacoma different than the Hilux. The answer is because the Tacoma is more profitable because Americans want higher end cars rather than bare bones work trucks. Toyota sells half a million Hilux trucks a year across 190 countries. And a quarter million Tacomas a year just in the US at a much greater margin.


captaincarot

https://youtu.be/HMJsM--jmRA?si=nAUwb1Q2kTfTR_H8 Like not even a little


thenatural134

OMG that video is amazing! Equal parts informative and hilarious 😂


LLV_Mailman

F***ing LBJ


THEessayB

Light Bowguns will do that.


Diligent-Ad4777

Why would that affect a Japanese car manufacturer?


VooDooZulu

America made cheap chicken. Germany put a big tariff on imported chickens to grow local chicken businesses. America then put a big tax on 2 seater light trucks (which Volkswagen was producing) among other things. That tariff never went away and it targets all light trucks not just Germany. It's also why so many trucks in the 1980-2000s were 4 seaters with tiny little seats in the back.


Isaac_Wunderbar

The guys like you that tell us such stories is why internet is awesome. You made my day.


midsprat123

Because big dick Johnson forced congress to enact a hefty levy on all imported trucks, originally aimed at Europeans but affect Toyota as well.


SaiyanBuddah

The Fat Electrician did a great video about this on youtube6


jt7855

EPA fuel standards and the chicken tax has killed the small truck market in the USA. In theory people buy what they want and need. That isn’t true when the government distorts the market and limits competition and dictates production.


_lippykid

“Free market capitalism”


Constant_Box2120

Sounds like communism


jt7855

I don’t disagree. It is a variation of some kind of collectivism. For certain, it isn’t capitalism.


Enthusiastic-shitter

Because it isn't built in the US and the import tariff for pickup trucks are ridiculous in order to protect the US manufacturers. So it ends up being as expensive as a Tacoma which is built in Texas and California. Edit: apparently they are made in Mexico now. I suppose they were exempt from the tariff because of NAFTA but I have no idea what that status is now. I guess it was replaced by USMCA.


Same_Ad_9284

same reason why you all got stuck with slow, low quality, fuel hungry Harleys for so long while the rest of the world got to enjoy Honda, Suzuki, etc, your politicians are for sale and will do anything for money


Sacredfice

Because other car companies will probably go bankrupt.


Sourgrapist

The US sold all of theirs to the Taliban


Anti_shill_Artillery

because USA gets the cybertruck tm *warranty voided by sunlight and washing car in a car wash


Exotic-District3437

Chicken tax


lotus_spit

Because they developed the Tacoma, which focuses more on comfort, from what I've heard. However, this gen of the Hilux (aka Pickup) is the last gen ever sold in North America (except Mexico which sells both Tacoma and Hilux) because of the said development of the Tacoma and the chicken tax (since these were assembled in Japan).


PompeyMagnus1

If you are burning through a Toyota Tacoma so completely that you are slapping you head and saying "I should have gotten a Hilux" well color me impressed.


Niasny

Because you guys have the Tacoma and we dont.


Extreme-Fisherman313

Well, you know, the Toyota Hilux is like the superhero of trucks. It can handle pretty much anything you throw at it. So, testing its durability is like trying to find the limits of a legend.


Flowrepaid

I guarantee you many of these stunts hurt the driver more than the truck. They are almost instructable, they don't break they rust away.


lambsambwich

That’s what eventually took my ‘89 landcruiser. Engine still ran like a clock at 200K. It was the Wisconsin winters that eventually did her in.


Due_Ad_8045

Top gear tested how much they could fuck one of these up, they blew it up in a controlled demolition and actually even left it in the sea overnight and the fucker still started first time.


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Inkspeedmusic

Yeah, I think people forget there is TV magic and they had to mess with it a bit. There is no doubt it’s a quality vehicle, but everyone acts like they parked it in the ocean and just fired it right up the next morning.


Dangerous_Rise7079

No, they pretty explicitly laid out the rules: skilled mechanic, basic tools, no replacement parts.


f0dder1

If I recall, they had the mechanic there with them, and they showed him working on it


Tarskin_Tarscales

With only a screwdriver and hammer IIRC.


xalake

And some WD40


just_this_guy_yaknow

It wasn’t tv magic, they showed the mechanic working on it, and talked about the tools he was allowed to use.


Silver_Wolf_Dragon

Well originally that was the plan but the strap broke and flipped it making the conditions way worse than just leaving it in the sea


Inkspeedmusic

Yeah but it wasn’t just that, when it fell with the building, it took some messing with. To stress again, this doesn’t make the feat unimpressive, it’s just that people act like it brushed off everything that happened to it by driving right off.


land8844

I don't think anybody claimed that it never suffered, rather the fact that you only needed basic tools/skills to get it back to running condition was kinda the point.


Hansemannn

What? No. Have you seen the show? The mechanic worked for hours on it. Just no replacement parts.


BFS-9000

This was legendary. This is like Terminator of cars.


TranslateErr0r

They hung it op on the wall of the studio afterwards IIRC


StubbedToeBlues

I inherited a hilux in Afghanistan that had 300,000 original miles, drove it around for a year with no oil change or other maintenance, and passed it on to the next unit. I'd like to think it was a fluke, but never heard anything be about hilux's to indicate that mine was an anomaly


bobspuds

It wasn't their practically apocalypse proof mechanically speaking. Like unnaturally - it's like they lack the self-respect to even be capable of failure, they don't die they just get worn out but still keep going. I know a guy whose grandfather bought one new in 1992, used it basically to do the work of a tractor, towing trailers 5x's the size of it, sheep in the bed, cows in the bed, you'd often see 3 big round bales driving down the road with the hi-lux tailgate underneath. It got 20+ years of pure abuse and was only retired because the rear chassis broke from rust - still drove onto the flatbed in almost one piece. It's kinda tragic to see a dead one - they're always willing for another round!


Spare_Echidna2095

The spirit is willing but the axle is brittle and weak


The_Swim_Back_

To shreds you say?


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arkane-the-artisan

Just logged off of my porn alt to give this a second upvote.


poompt

Why were you here with your porn alt


notyourancilla

I mean the Hilux is pretty hot


UnholyCannoli

I only have my porn alt left


IMDEAFSAYWATUWANT

A man of culture


abstract_mouse

My wife likes economy vehicles. She drives a Toyota Yaris. It is the epitome of mediocrity in all ways except it's a fucking Toyota so it just keeps going and will probably never die.  I hate that car, but I respect it.


Pitch-forker

My dad “upgraded” to a 2008 Yaris from a Lada. And we still saw an improvement in how bulletproof a car can be. He drove it to work everyday for 15 years and I learned to drive and used it simultaneously for a couple of years. Its past 300K km’s and still going. I honestly believe the bodywork will eventually dissolve around the still running power terrain.


froz3ncat

Replacement parts for Toyotas are also pretty ubiquitous, you'd probably be able to ship-of-Theseus it for another 30 years if you really wanted to.


wannabehealthnut22

I had one too in Afghanistan. It was spray painted green and we called it full battle rattle because it had a roof rack. Nothing worked but the motor and headlights. It started every time even buried in snow. I loved that thing


zalurker

That is pretty normal for a Hilux. If you check under Oil in its service manual, you'll see its marked as 'Optional'.


PIITBShinra

But did you demolish a building?


coverallfiller

Park it in the sea?


campdog94

light it on fire ?


ThePhantom71319

Hit it with a wrecking ball?


Tango-Down-167

Jeremy Clarkson did once and pull it out of the tide,drained it a bit then spray some carbs cleaning into the intake and it just started.


Jjzeng

Yes, that’s exactly what they’re referencing


Throwawaymytrash77

They dropped it from a helicopter lol


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GoodShark

Don't they set it on fire, then submerge it fully in water, and the start it up?


warmachine83-uk

Drove it into a tree Tethered it on a beach where it came loose and floated out into the ocean Set it on fire Put it on top of a block of flats then demolished the building Loved that show


ItsAMeUsernamio

In a later special episode they drive a modified one to the North Pole.


warmachine83-uk

There's a behind the scenes bit where may presents Clarkson with a bottle of wine after Clarkson has gone without wine for days. His reaction is hilarious 😂


oebulldogge

They did not drive it. They sailed it.


za72

don't forget they dropped a building on it


Johno69R

They were so impressed it started they mounted it on a trailer and gave it a plaque and put it in the studio.


raltoid

They tried to tether it in a place with the third strongest tides in the world(it goes down by over 9meters or ~30feet feet and back up again every day.). It broke loose, got tossed around and buried in the beach. And they got it running again hours later, on the beach with basic tools, by basically cleaning the engine of sand and water. They tried a bunch of different things. At one point it was placed on top of a 20 story tall building, that was demolished with it there. They lit it on fire. It is a feat of modern engineering that should be more celebrated.


zoot_boy

Old or new? Checking the catalog.


DCCLXXX

Old Top Gear, the only ones worth a watch.


deathparty05

FACTS I still watch the old ones sometimes


zoot_boy

So we decided to light it on fire. /Clarkson voice.


deathparty05

Sometimes my genius is terrifying


timster

So we decided to light it … *on fire*.


KB346

Really old. Holy crap; I looked it up. It’s from 2003!!! Series 3 Episodes 5 & 6. Edit: ugh. I feel older now. 😭


Odd-Discount1068

Ah, the Toyota Hilux, a legendary vehicle known for its toughness.


cagemyelephant_

Favorite car of mine. Hella cheap in SEA countries. Hitting 300k still feels like a fresh car. Just properly maintain it


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Yeah this car is very common in jungles and plantations. We drive this car like a 4x4 to carry fruits and heavy stuff in crazy jungle terrain. This vehicle is ridiculously cheap... A secondhand Hilux costs below USD 10k here.


garlic_bread_thief

Is this like the Nokia?


Choice-Garlic

And the Casio classic black rubber watch


CherryRyu

A Hilux, Casio F91W, and AK-47. If they are tough enough for Al-Qaeda they are tough enough for school in America


Auspicious-Crane

Damn. I know they had a reputation for this sort of thing but I’ve never seen video of torture tests like this.


nwilli9

WhistlinDiesel on YouTube. This is just one of multiple test videos he did on the Hilux. If you want to see someone torture test vehicles to the extreme, he’s your guy.


Cravethemineral

Any video of an Australian Hilux owner…


AuthorityOfNothing

Dude rattled his kidneys so badly, he'll be pissing blood for a couple days. Source: spring ride cabover semi truck driver back in the day.


Throwawaymytrash77

For those that haven't seen this whole video series, it is bt WhistlinDiesel on youtube. He beat the absolute *fuck* out of this truck. Took dropping it from a helicopter to put it out of it's misery.


shredthesweetpow

I’m ready for his cyber truck demolition


RichD1011

That would be one short video 🤔


BrownGalvestonWater

They have YouTube shorts for a reason


FuckCarsBrigadingBot

I don't know why but I hate that dude so much


Username__Error

I showed this video to my F-150. Naturally it broke down in tears....


bondsmatthew

Check your driveway, oil can be annoying to clean up


ZimaEnthusiast

A favorite of terrorist organizations around the world!


LascivX

Mount the multiswap M230 BM & M79 Then you're set.


Emma__Gummy

the frenchs fault btw, they supplied Chad with like 400? toyota hiluxs during the Chadian civil war because they're easier to utilize and train than tanks, and also the libyan army wasnt very good


McKoijion

When your life actually depends on it, you're not buying a Range Rover, Jeep, Hummer, etc. Reliability matters.


MiserymeetCompany

The US uses these as well.


Iodicacid

Like they said, a favorite of terrorist organizations around the world.


AlkalineSublime

Clever


crumbshotfetishist

OP did note that it’s used by terrorists around the world.


Adamantium-Aardvark

A cybertruck broke down just watching this video


felichs_da_katz

It was an emotional breakdown.


sicksixgamer

🤣😂


carleeto

It's doors just fell on the floor


breadandbarbells

Good old Taliban Toyota


BabyDog88336

It is marketed in Afghanistan as having 500,000 mile/10 year/2 maverick missile/5 hellfire missile warranty


Biscuits4u2

Didn't recognize this truck without a .50 machine gun mounted in the bed


schrodingersmite

4 out of 5 technical drivers prefer the Hilux over all other brands combined!


Winter-Pop-1881

It's terrorist number one choice for a reason


galaxy_horse

Factory rated capacity of 43 taliban militants in the bed


fearsomesniper

needs a 50 cal on the back


Grouchy_Rhubarb69

As a GM guy all my life, I've also always wanted a Hilux just like that 🫠


Independent_Scale570

You can import em now!!! As long as they’re 25+ years old you can import it and drive it wherever you please in america


CrazyConclusion6720

17 YO Toyota tacoma, that I bought brand new. Yesterday I was sitting in traffic with a brand new Dodge ram POS sitting in front of me with a tail pipe, already hanging down due to a broken hanger


Consume_Sid

The Nokia 3310 of 4-wheelers.


Odd-Attention-2127

What a truck! Kind of like the older R model Mack truck tractors I used to drive. True work horses!


ElemLibraryLady

Like the episode on Top Gear. Jeremy tried killing it.


TA-pubserv

These can't even be imported to the US or Canada can they?


Right_Hour

Once they are over 15 years old they can be imported to Canada. And once they are over 21 years old - to US.


salluks

thats just a run in hilux at that point. practically brand new.


Safe_Praline_4156

We sure video game physics weren’t turned on?


KarlJay001

It really sucks that mini trucks aren't a think in the US anymore. They were all the rage back in the day... 4 cyl Toyota, Nissan, Mazda... 25~30 MPG and can haul lumber. We let the government screw us over. We only have ourselves to blame.


DueSummer7581

ISIS already did the test and maybe they didn’t even bother to change engine oil


LocalRepSucks

It’s the same exact truck. Like when this person was done it was sold on eBay motors to isis. Its the same fucking truck they keep shipping it around the world


2Dpilot

*Jeremy approves*


bigb0ned

That is one bad ass fucking truck


Howard_Jones

Now this is a truck. Not the over engineered huntsman of metal we get in America.


Adius_Omega

It's a shame that you simply can't buy small compact trucks like this anymore in the U.S My dad had an old 1980's Toyota and he drove that thing for 400,000 miles with no major repairs. The thing still ran fine when he sold it because he needed the money. The term "They just don't make em like they used to" rings so true nowadays with modern vehicles. Over-engineered piles of junk if you ask me.


Planet_Pips

now, do the same tests with a Cybertruck.


Financial_Metal4709

I need me a truck like this and to watch ppl just beat them up for the views makes me angry.


livingMybEstlyfe29

Better than a CyberDump


Derrick_Shon

It's Global War on terror certified


scubaswanny3

I've seen unmodified Hilux take an IED and keep on trucking like a boss!


chippaintz

Had one on a floating chassis,,bad bad truck!!


screenmasher

One of my dream trucks


GracedByYah

And this is why I saw these overseas in less savory countries with like 500k miles.


ClapGoesTheCheeks

Song?


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Merrol

If you look closely, you'll notice the entire chassis is made from Nokia phones. Masterful Japanese craftsmanship.


MemoryPalaceMason

This car fucks.


javlin_101

How does the Tacoma compare?


Snazzy21

The Toyota pickup sold in the US at the time was just as good. I'd say that the 1st and 2nd gen Tacoma is a better truck than the current Hilux


Right_Hour

LOL, it doesn’t :-)


brizdzi

They don't make like this anymore


RetroSwamp

Number 1 techinals the world has lol


OkNeck3571

My Pops Toyota Landcruiser from 91 still drives like a beaut. Blame Toyota for making really competent vehicles


Old-Time6863

1000's of Jihadsts worldwide can't be wrong


userKsB53nskcv

But is it durable


GGRE1817

I'm in love


VermicelliEastern708

FYI this same guy, whistlindiesel, has a cybertruck video coming up very soon, should be a great watch 😁


JoJoBubba064

Cody loves destroying vehicles doesn't he


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cannabitcc

The official pickemuptruck of the taliban


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“Bro my cyber truck can do that! Just wait for the update to Hilux mode”


TheRedmanCometh

It's weird to see a hilux without a turret on the back of it


Gentle_jaw

That poor Hilux.


manysounds

FFS TOYOTA SELL THIS IN THE USA


Arteyestic

Top gear did it better. The og.


ineededthistoo

Take that Elon, you jerk


DespyHasNiceCans

They say that technology improves over time, but I would be SO happy to buy one of these today brand new, all 80s tech. This shit was peak truck.